Christopher LaFemina

Christopher LaFemina asked Rogério Nogueira about Vale's commercial strategy in iron ore, specifically how the emergence of CMRG and its blending activities might impact premiums on Vale's blended ores. He also questioned Vale's pricing strategy relative to the iron ore benchmark, which has shifted from 62% to 61% FC content, asking if Vale is achieving larger premiums due to the lower quality of the current benchmark.

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Rogério Nogueira, EVP of Commercial and Development, Vale, stated that discussions with CMRG aim for win-win opportunities, and CMRG's blending yards are not expected to affect Vale's blending strategy in China, as the focus is on the overall product chemistry and size distribution offered to the market. Regarding the benchmark, he explained that Vale's contracts use a basket of indexes, and while some clients are moving to the more liquid 61% index, this primarily changes the price differential rather than Vale's overall price realization.

Christopher LaFemina asked about Vale's iron ore commercial strategy, specifically how the emergence of CMRG and its blending activities might impact potential premiums for Vale's blended ores. He also questioned Vale's pricing strategy relative to benchmarks, particularly with the Pilbara blend moving from 62% to 61% Fe content, and whether Vale is achieving larger premiums due to the lower quality benchmark.

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Rogério Nogueira, EVP of Commercial and Development, Vale S.A., stated that discussions with CMRG aim for win-win opportunities, and CMRG's blending yards are not expected to affect Vale's blending strategy in China. He emphasized that the strategic focus is on the overall product chemistry and size distribution offered to the market, not just how it's blended. Regarding benchmarks, Nogueira explained that Vale's contracts use a basket of indexes, and while some clients are moving to the 61% index, it does not affect Vale's price realization but may change the price differential.

Christopher LaFemina inquired about capital allocation, asking if Vale would increase share buybacks given its inexpensive valuation once its net debt target is met. He also asked how Vale's operational strategy would change in a scenario of sustainably higher iron ore prices.

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Executive Marcelo Bacci explained the priority is to lower expanded net debt to the $15 billion mid-range; after that, the choice between buybacks and dividends will depend on the share price. Executive Gustavo Duarte Pimenta stated that in a higher-price scenario, Vale's enhanced portfolio flexibility from new projects would allow it to fully leverage its 'value over volume' strategy to capture upside.

Christopher LaFemina from Jefferies questioned what makes the current Moranbah North incident a material adverse change given the mine's history of gas-related issues. He also asked about the timing and process for a potential MAC cure and long stop date extension, and whether Peabody would consider alternative deal structures.

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President and CEO Jim Grech declined to compare the current incident to past events but reiterated the company's confidence in the MAC claim based on their analysis. He clarified the MAC cure process is distinct from the sale's closing process and that any path forward must recognize a "significant value impact" on Moranbah North and require a clear pathway to sustainable production.

Christopher LaFemina asked about the long-term outlook for Peabody's thermal coal segments beyond 2025, particularly concerning margin potential amid declining volumes and fixed cost deleverage. He also requested an update on the potential restart of the Grosvenor mine, referencing recent encouraging comments from Anglo American.

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President and CEO Jim Grech addressed the U.S. thermal outlook, stating that PRB volumes can be flexed up to meet growing demand from policy tailwinds and data centers. CFO Mark Spurbeck added that while seaborne thermal volumes decline in 2025, Wilpinjong's export volumes are expected to remain stable long-term. Regarding Grosvenor, Jim Grech expressed optimism but stated it is too early to provide a timeline or cost estimate for a restart until Peabody takes ownership and can conduct a firsthand assessment.

Christopher LaFemina from Jefferies asked for the specific EBITDA contribution from the Wambo mine in the third quarter and questioned the company's stance on M&A, particularly whether the recent share buyback signals a decreased interest in potential asset acquisitions.

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CFO Mark Spurbeck responded that he did not have the specific EBITDA contribution for the Wambo mine readily available. On the topic of mergers and acquisitions, CEO Jim Grech adhered to the company's policy of not commenting on M&A activity.

Christopher LaFemina of Jefferies Financial Group Inc. questioned how Nucor distinguishes between genuine underlying demand and tariff-driven inventory building, given concerns about potential stockpiling.

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CEO Leon Topalian responded that the company's fabricator customers do not build inventory speculatively and that service center inventories have remained flat. He pointed to strong, ongoing order entry rates and a record-high structural backlog filled with locked-in project orders as evidence of real, sustained demand.

Asked about the company's capital allocation strategy, specifically regarding share buybacks. Given the strong free cash flow outlook and relatively weak share price, he questioned if the company would consider ramping up the pace of repurchases.

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Management agrees with the analyst's assessment of the stock's attractiveness. As cash flows improve throughout the year, they plan to be aggressive with buybacks while balancing the need to maintain a strong balance sheet and fund growth projects. The Chairman also expressed strong support for increasing share repurchases.

Questioned the company's strategy for managing geopolitical risk, particularly in Indonesia, and asked if M&A could be a path to de-risk the business, similar to the past Phelps Dodge acquisition.

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The company is confident in its long-term outlook in Indonesia but is also excited about low-capital intensity growth opportunities in the Americas. While they monitor the market, M&A is not a required part of their strategy; they will be opportunistic for value-accretive deals but will not force a transaction for strategic reasons.

Christopher LaFemina asked about Freeport's geopolitical risk profile, particularly its reliance on Indonesia, and whether M&A could be a path to de-risking the business, similar to the historic Phelps Dodge acquisition.

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President and CEO Kathleen Quirk and Chairman Richard Adkerson responded. Quirk highlighted the significant, low-capital growth opportunities in the Americas, which naturally diversifies the portfolio. Adkerson added that while the company remains prepared for opportunistic M&A, it does not force transactions for strategic reasons, believing opportunity-driven M&A is more successful.

Christopher LaFemina inquired about the insurance coverage for the Indonesian smelter fire, specifically asking about business interruption protection for export delays or royalty costs, and questioned if the restricted cash policy in Indonesia would persist after the smelter's ramp-up.

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President and CEO Kathleen Quirk clarified that the construction insurance policy covers repair costs but not business interruption. She stated the company's focus is on expediting repairs and working with the Indonesian government to ensure export continuity, citing mutual economic interests. Quirk also confirmed the restricted cash policy applies to all Indonesian exports as a government currency measure and will continue unless regulations change, noting the funds earn returns and are released after 90 days.

Christopher LaFemina of Jefferies asked a strategic question about Steel Dynamics' future plans after its current growth projects, focusing on the balance between capital returns and the next phase of growth, and the company's dividend philosophy.

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CEO Mark Millett confirmed a continued balanced capital allocation strategy, seeing future value-add growth opportunities in both aluminum and steel. EVP & CFO Theresa Wagler added that with major CapEx concluding, strong cash flow will support both robust shareholder returns and disciplined M&A. She clarified that the dividend grows with fundamental, through-cycle cash flow and is complemented by buybacks to ensure its sustainability.

Christopher LaFemina inquired about the San Ciprián smelter restart, focusing on the financial outlook beyond 2025, the effectiveness of the hedging strategy, and whether it protects against a potential cash burn limit.

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EVP and CFO Molly Beerman confirmed that hedges were secured to manage costs within the funding envelope and reiterated the 2025 guidance of a $70-$90 million EBITDA loss. She noted losses are higher in 2025 due to restart inefficiencies and deferred providing 2026 guidance. President and CEO William Oplinger added that a portion of the capital expenditure would have been necessary regardless of the restart.

Christopher LaFemina from Jefferies sought clarification on modeling the full run-rate benefit of the profitability improvement program and questioned the drivers behind the higher 2025 CapEx guidance and its future trajectory.

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EVP and CFO Molly Beerman pointed to the year-over-year EBITDA bridge in the appendix, which shows the program's net impact. Regarding the $700 million CapEx guidance, she explained the increase is driven by a $70 million rise for Australian mine moves and other major projects, such as an energy transition in Juruti. She indicated the elevated spending for mine moves would likely continue for approximately three years.

Christopher LaFemina questioned the extent of Alcoa's financial commitment to the San Ciprian asset and asked if the company's $645 million profitability improvement target might be conservative given recent progress.

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CEO William Oplinger clarified that the financial commitment to San Ciprian is contingent on receiving government support, including past CO2 compensation and access to restricted cash. Regarding the improvement program, CFO Molly Beerman noted they are ahead on raw materials, while CEO William Oplinger added the goal is to embed a continuous culture of competitiveness rather than just hitting a one-time target.

Christopher LaFemina of Jefferies inquired about the sustainability of Ramaco's recent unit cost reductions, asking if these savings would reverse if metallurgical coal prices were to recover significantly. He also asked for management's view on whether the competitor production capacity currently coming offline is a temporary or permanent reduction.

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EVP for Mine Planning and Development, Christopher Blanchard, responded that the cost reductions are largely structural, driven by a transition to more favorable geology with thicker seams, and would not reverse significantly, aside from variable sales-related costs like royalties. Chairman and CEO Randall Atkins added that the broader market for labor and equipment is softening due to supply reductions, which should help contain costs. Atkins also opined that a significant portion of the competitor capacity being shut down may be permanently gone due to reserve depletion and the maturity of the Central Appalachian Basin.

Christopher LaFemina questioned whether the recent improvement in steel demand is a sustainable recovery or a temporary pull-forward ahead of tariffs. He also asked if the Q4 working capital build would reverse, leading to a net cash inflow for the full year 2025.

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CEO Lourenco Goncalves described the trend as a combination of real demand recovery and a necessary rearrangement of supply chains due to tariffs, not just a pull-forward. CFO Celso Goncalves confirmed the Q4 working capital build was intentional to prepare for 2025 and is expected to reverse, contributing to cash flow throughout the year.

Christopher LaFemina of Jefferies asked about the conditions required to restart the idled blast furnace, including the timeline, associated costs, and the necessary pricing environment to trigger the decision.

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Executive Lourenco Goncalves stated the furnace would be brought back online as soon as demand returns, which he anticipates will happen early in 2025 as prices recover. Executive Celso Goncalves listed several potential catalysts for a market rebound, including lower interest rates, election clarity, and an eventual auto industry rebound. Lourenco Goncalves added that a new presidential administration could bring stronger trade protections, making him bullish on 2025.

Christopher LaFemina from Jefferies asked about the cost implications of the additional work at QB2 in 2025, whether project CapEx is complete, and if the ramp-up delay would postpone the sanctioning of other growth projects.

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CEO Jonathan Price confirmed that the QB2 project CapEx is complete and the additional work planned for 2025 is minor and will not significantly impact costs. CFO Crystal Prystai added that 2025 unit costs are expected to be lower than 2024. Price also stated that the QB2 ramp-up timeline does not affect the potential sanctioning of other projects in the second half of 2025.

The analyst inquired about the company's capital allocation strategy, particularly the use of its cash balance for share buybacks during a potential market downturn where cash flow might be negative.

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The company would use its cash on the balance sheet for share buybacks in a downturn, as that is why the cash was accumulated. They feel their strong cost position and a minimum cash balance of $200 million allow for this flexibility, viewing a negative cash flow environment as likely unsustainable for the broader industry and thus short-term.