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    Derek Sommers's questions to loanDepot Inc (LDI) leadership

    Derek Sommers's questions to loanDepot Inc (LDI) leadership • Q4 2024

    Question

    Derek Sommers asked for clarification on the drivers behind the sequential increase in G&A and servicing expenses, and questioned the market assumptions embedded in the company's first-quarter volume guidance.

    Answer

    Chief Financial Officer David Hayes explained the G&A increase was a return to normalization after a significant one-time insurance recovery in Q3, coupled with investments in loan officers. The rise in servicing costs was attributed to normal seasonality and a minor uptick in delinquencies. For Q1 guidance, Hayes noted it reflects seasonal trends but is more optimistic than some third-party estimates, as the company hopes to gain market share.

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    Derek Sommers's questions to loanDepot Inc (LDI) leadership • Q3 2024

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    Derek Sommers asked about the current recruiting environment for loan originators and requested additional details on the Smith Douglas partnership and the overall builder joint venture business model.

    Answer

    LDI Mortgage President Jeff Walsh described the recruiting market for high-producing loan originators as competitive but noted that loanDepot is seeing positive traction and winning great talent. He explained that the joint venture business is a separate channel, highlighting the new Smith Douglas venture as a positive, predictable business in the new-build space, which has been a market bright spot.

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    Derek Sommers's questions to Guild Holdings Co (GHLD) leadership

    Derek Sommers's questions to Guild Holdings Co (GHLD) leadership • Q4 2024

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    Derek Sommers inquired about the outlook for the spring home-buying season, key interest rate thresholds for a more constructive environment, and the integration status of loan officers from recent acquisitions to differentiate between same-store and acquired growth.

    Answer

    Terry Schmidt, an executive, stated that the spring buying season is following normal seasonal patterns and is already starting. David Neylan, President and COO, added that while borrowers are adjusting to higher rates, the activity is still largely seasonal. Regarding acquisitions, Terry Schmidt confirmed that loan officers are fully integrated, a process that takes 2-6 months, with the Academy acquisition now fully ramped up after one year. Desiree Elwell, an executive, noted that recent strong origination volume is attributable to both the Academy acquisition and organic growth, indicating an increase in same-store sales.

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    Derek Sommers's questions to Guild Holdings Co (GHLD) leadership • Q3 2024

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    Derek Sommers of Jefferies asked about Guild's near-term product strategy, particularly the opportunity in home equity products like reverse mortgages and second liens, and inquired about the company's capital allocation priorities between M&A and organic recruiting.

    Answer

    CEO Terry Schmidt responded that reverse mortgage volume is trending up and second lien programs have been successful. He emphasized a continued focus on first-time homebuyers and local grant programs. On capital allocation, Terry Schmidt confirmed that organic recruiting remains strong, while M&A activity, though currently slow, could increase if high rates persist, and Guild remains opportunistic with its strong capital base.

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    Derek Sommers's questions to Guild Holdings Co (GHLD) leadership • Q2 2024

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    Derek Sommers asked whether the Academy Mortgage acquisition was fully ramped within the July origination figures and sought color on future trends for expense efficiency, particularly salaries and commissions.

    Answer

    Terry Schmidt, Executive, and Desiree Elwell, Executive, confirmed that Academy is fully integrated and contributing a steady 18-20% of volume, with further growth expected from organic recruiting. Elwell highlighted that the strategy of increasing volume and scale is successfully driving down per-loan costs to levels not seen since late 2021, making the origination segment profitable on an adjusted basis.

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    Derek Sommers's questions to Rocket Companies Inc (RKT) leadership

    Derek Sommers's questions to Rocket Companies Inc (RKT) leadership • Q4 2024

    Question

    Derek Sommers asked whether AI investments should be viewed primarily as a tool for expense efficiency or as a productivity driver for top-line growth, and about the timeline for these benefits.

    Answer

    CEO Varun Krishna stated that AI impacts both top-line growth and bottom-line efficiency. He provided concrete examples, including an AI model that recovered $27 million in lock volume and automation that saved one million team member hours in 2024. He expects the impact to grow non-linearly, improving efficiency, velocity, and the client experience.

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    Derek Sommers's questions to Rocket Companies Inc (RKT) leadership • Q3 2024

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    Derek Sommers asked for more details on the Annaly partnership, including portfolio characteristics and the structure of the recapture economics. He also inquired about consumer behavior with second lien products and their potential to be interest rate-agnostic.

    Answer

    CFO Brian Brown did not disclose specific economics but characterized the Annaly deal as a 'win-win,' where Rocket's high recapture rate protects Annaly's assets from prepayment risk. Regarding second liens, Brown noted there is 'a lot of room to run' for the product, especially for homeowners with low-rate first mortgages. CEO Varun Krishna added that these products are also effective at attracting new clients into the Rocket ecosystem.

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    Derek Sommers's questions to UWM Holdings Corp (UWMC) leadership

    Derek Sommers's questions to UWM Holdings Corp (UWMC) leadership • Q4 2024

    Question

    Derek Sommers from Jefferies asked for expectations on the purchase versus refinance mix for 2025 and inquired about the company's current approach to managing its mortgage servicing rights (MSR) portfolio relative to origination trends.

    Answer

    CEO Mathew Ishbia stated the origination mix is highly dependent on interest rates, potentially shifting from 70% purchase to 60% refinance if rates fall significantly. On MSRs, he explained that UWM monitors the asset closely and will opportunistically sell at high multiples but is comfortable retaining it, given their unique ability to constantly replenish the portfolio through high origination volume.

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    Derek Sommers's questions to PennyMac Financial Services Inc (PFSI) leadership

    Derek Sommers's questions to PennyMac Financial Services Inc (PFSI) leadership • Q4 2024

    Question

    Derek Sommers asked about PFSI's market penetration in the broker channel based on its approved broker count. He also questioned how to balance the tailwind of portfolio growth against potential declines in short-term rates for escrow income.

    Answer

    Executive David Spector estimated their broker market penetration is between 25% and 30% and expects growth to accelerate in 2025. On escrow income, Executive Daniel Perotti projected that continued significant portfolio growth would likely outweigh the impact of limited short-term rate cuts, leading to an overall increase in escrow-related earnings through 2025.

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    Derek Sommers's questions to PennyMac Financial Services Inc (PFSI) leadership • Q3 2024

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    Derek Sommers asked about the variable expense structure in the growing Broker Direct channel and inquired about the expected product mix between refinances and second liens in the Consumer Direct channel for Q4.

    Answer

    Daniel Perotti (executive) explained that Broker Direct variable expenses are in the mid-double-digit basis points range, allowing for scale benefits, though overall costs may rise with investment in the channel. He stated the Q4 Consumer Direct mix is rate-dependent: higher rates will favor second liens, while lower rates will shift focus to first lien refinances, showcasing the company's strategy to toggle between products.

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    Derek Sommers's questions to Walker & Dunlop Inc (WD) leadership

    Derek Sommers's questions to Walker & Dunlop Inc (WD) leadership • Q3 2024

    Question

    Derek Sommers of Truist Securities inquired about the source of Q3's strong property sales volume, specifically what portion came from the previously discussed pipeline of broker opinions of value (BOVs), and asked about any recent shifts in the mix between refinancing and purchase deals.

    Answer

    CEO Willy Walker explained that the gestation period for a deal from BOV to close is longer than one quarter, making a direct attribution difficult. He confirmed a significant uptick in both the pipeline and transaction volumes, which is holding strong into Q4 despite recent rate increases. Regarding the mix, Walker noted that the Q4 pipeline is currently overweighted towards refinancing activity, which is typically less discretionary, but acquisition activity also remains robust.

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    Derek Sommers's questions to Compass Diversified Holdings (CODI) leadership

    Derek Sommers's questions to Compass Diversified Holdings (CODI) leadership • Q2 2024

    Question

    Derek Sommers asked about potential seasonality for The Honey Pot Company and Lugano, requested an update on the business transformation at 5.11, and inquired about any interest rate exposure at the subsidiary level.

    Answer

    Executive Patrick Maciariello noted that for Honey Pot, Q1 tends to be strong, while for Lugano, Q4 and Q1 have historically been larger. He described 2024 as a transition year for 5.11, citing challenges from inventory fluctuations and a complex PFAS transition that requires carrying double inventory. CFO Ryan Faulkingham confirmed there is no subsidiary-level interest rate exposure, as all subsidiary debt is owed to CODI, making any rate cut a net positive.

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    Derek Sommers's questions to Compass Diversified Holdings (CODI) leadership • Q2 2024

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    Derek Sommers asked about potential seasonality for The HoneyPot Company and Lugano, requested an update on the 5.11 business transition, and sought to clarify if there is any interest rate exposure at the subsidiary level.

    Answer

    Executive Patrick Maciariello explained that for HoneyPot, Q1 tends to be strong, while for Lugano, Q4 and Q1 have historically been larger. He described 2024 as a transition year for 5.11, facing headwinds from inventory issues and a complex PFAS-free product transition, which he expects to become a tailwind in 2025. Executive Ryan Faulkingham confirmed that all subsidiary debt is owed to CODI, so there is no external interest rate risk at the subsidiary level.

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