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    Douglas Weiss's questions to NACCO Industries Inc (NC) leadership

    Douglas Weiss's questions to NACCO Industries Inc (NC) leadership • Q2 2025

    Question

    Douglas Weiss of DSW Investment, LLC inquired about several operational and financial details, including the reasons for lighter volumes in the unconsolidated coal and contract mining segments, the outlook for the Mississippi Lignite Mining Company (MLMC) to return to profitability, the mechanics of its pricing formula, and the nature of its customer's operational issues. He also asked about the allocation of the increased CapEx forecast, specifics on major new growth projects, the timing of cash flow improvements, and the financial implications of the pension plan termination.

    Answer

    President & CEO J.C. Butler explained that volume dips in coal and contract mining were due to minor, temporary issues that have been resolved. He clarified that MLMC's expected return to profitability in 2026 refers to gross profit, driven by an improving pricing formula and stabilized customer operations. Butler emphasized that higher CapEx is funding growth opportunities, such as the Thacker Pass lithium project, which he described as a 'home run'. He noted that while Q2 results impacted the near-term cash flow outlook, the long-term compounding growth model remains intact. SVP & Controller Elizabeth Loveman added that the pension settlement involves a non-cash charge, and the plan's overfunding can be used for other qualified plan contributions.

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    Douglas Weiss's questions to NACCO Industries Inc (NC) leadership • Q1 2025

    Question

    Douglas Weiss inquired about several key areas, including the recurring gross profit losses and inventory charges at the Mississippi Lignite mine, the practical implications of a more favorable regulatory environment for coal, the consolidation and seasonality of the North American Mining segment, and the drivers behind its Q1 performance. He also asked about free cash flow, the nature of a large mining supplies inventory asset, the contents of 'assets held for sale', the business model and growth tracking for the Mitigation Resources segment, and the progress of the company's solar initiatives.

    Answer

    President and CEO J.C. Butler explained that Mississippi Lignite's results were impacted by high-cost inventory from prior inefficiencies and a contractual price formula influenced by a 5-year lookback to 2020's low commodity prices. He highlighted recent presidential executive orders as positive for the regulatory environment. For North American Mining, he noted a lack of seasonality but pointed to temporary customer outages and some market softness. He described the Mitigation Resources business as lumpy by design, with profitability expected to smooth out as it scales. SVP and Controller Elizabeth Loveman clarified that the mining supplies inventory was a reclassification of long-term critical spares, not a step-up, and detailed that the 'assets held for sale' consist of draglines and a building from a prior settlement.

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    Douglas Weiss's questions to NACCO Industries Inc (NC) leadership • Q4 2024

    Question

    Douglas Weiss of D.A. Davidson & Co. questioned NACCO's performance, focusing on the Coal Mining segment's underlying profitability after an inventory write-down, the drivers of a price reset at the MLMC mine, the growth strategy and economics of the North American Mining business, the outlook for the Thacker Pass lithium project, and the key drivers behind working capital changes.

    Answer

    President and CEO J.C. Butler explained that the MLMC mine's results were impacted by a recurring inventory write-down and a temporary, contract-driven price decrease, but noted that significant capital spending is now complete. He detailed North American Mining's differentiated strategy in dragline and surface mining, emphasizing its attractive long-term contract economics. Butler also expressed confidence in the Thacker Pass project's viability. SVP and Controller Elizabeth Loveman added that 2025 is expected to be cash flow positive, aided by favorable working capital shifts.

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    Douglas Weiss's questions to NACCO Industries Inc (NC) leadership • Q3 2024

    Question

    Douglas Weiss asked a series of detailed questions across NACCO's business segments, inquiring about the operational and financial implications of a phosphate customer's business challenges in the North American Mining segment, including contract specifics and equipment handling. He also questioned the drivers behind recent tonnage declines, the impact of hurricanes on Florida operations, and the nature of mining contracts (capacity vs. customer demand). Weiss further explored the potential for geographic expansion and M&A in the North American Mining business, the distinction between consolidated and unconsolidated operations, the impact of natural gas prices on the Minerals Management segment, the company's hedging strategy, and the long-term reserve life of the unconsolidated coal assets.

    Answer

    J.C. Butler, President and CEO, explained that responses to customer financial issues are highly situation-specific and that the company is hopeful for a resolution with the phosphate customer. He noted that tonnage is becoming a less useful metric as the business diversifies. Butler detailed how hurricanes disrupt Florida operations through flooding and the diversion of trucking resources for cleanup, which is often followed by a recovery bump in demand. He clarified that mining is based on customer-targeted volumes and described a range of contract structures. Butler confirmed active expansion of the North American Mining footprint outside of Florida by leveraging relationships with major aggregate producers. Regarding Minerals Management, he stated that higher gas prices primarily impact results through price, not just volume, and explained the company's strategy to avoid hedging costs for better long-term profitability. Elizabeth Loveman, SVP and Controller, added that the consolidated versus unconsolidated classification is determined by accounting rules based on operational control.

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