Eric Bosshard

Eric Bosshard of Cleveland Research Company sought clarification on how Stanley Black & Decker's pricing will behave in Q1, Q2, and the back half of 2026, considering the strategic management for volume, recent Q4 price increases, and competitors' price raises in Q1. He asked if current price levels would be sustained, increased, or adjusted due to tweaks.

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Pat Hallinan, EVP, CFO, and Chief Administrative Officer, projected full-year enterprise-wide pricing in the range of +2% for 2026. He clarified that this primarily reflects the carry-in effect of prior pricing actions, along with modest adjustments to promotions and opening price points. Hallinan anticipated that most of this positive pricing impact would occur in the first half of the year, predominantly in Q1 (given pricing initiatives began in Q2 of the prior year), with pricing expected to be relatively flattish in Q3 and Q4.

Eric Bosshard asked for a framing of the DIY market, specifically regarding volume performance and price mix trends in Q4, and expectations for 2026.

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Chair, President, and CEO Heidi G. Petz described DIY volume as 'very choppy' but highlighted the company's unique distribution through paint stores (for discerning DIY customers) and strategic retail partners. She emphasized alignment and innovative planning with partners, awaiting market catalysts. VP of Investor Relations Ben Meisenzahl noted better DIY performance in stores and a push for premium gallons through channel partners, contributing to the price mix, which benefits customers through increased efficiency for home projects.

Eric Bosshard asked for a framing of the DIY market performance, including volume and price mix, in Q4 and expectations for 2026.

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Heidi G. Petz, Chair, President, and CEO, stated that DIY volume remains choppy, but the company services this customer through both paint stores (higher margin) and strategic retail partners, focusing on alignment and competition. Ben Meisenzahl, VP of Investor Relations, added that DIY performance in stores was better in Q4, with a premium gallon push through channel partners contributing to price mix and customer efficiency.

Eric Bosshard inquired about the organic growth seen in the Consumer Brands Group and the company's perspective on volume and pricing trends for that business in 2025 and 2026.

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President and CEO Heidi Petz stated that organic growth was not significant, with DIY remaining under pressure, though it's a crucial part of the long-term strategy. She noted good progress in Pro Paints, a growing segment where the company continues to invest. SVP of Finance and CFO Al Mistysyn added that Q3's adjusted operating margin expansion was driven by a sales volume skewed to exterior sales and faster growth in premium product gallons, offsetting supply chain inefficiencies from lower production volumes.

Eric Bosshard inquired about the organic growth observed in the Consumer Brands Group. He was interested in understanding the volume and pricing dynamics in 2025 and how the company is thinking about these factors for 2026.

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Heidi Petz, President and CEO, noted 'not a lot of Organic growth' as the DIY segment remains 'under pressure,' though it's a crucial part of their long-term strategy. She highlighted good progress in Pro Paints, a growing segment where they continue to invest. Al Mistysyn, SVP of Finance and CFO, added that Q3 saw adjusted operating margin expansion despite lower volume, driven by a skew towards exterior sales gallons and faster growth in premium products, which offset supply chain inefficiencies.

Eric Bosshard sought clarification on whether the impact of tariffs was sufficient to push the company's raw material outlook above its original guided range.

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Executive Allen Mistysyn answered directly, 'No. It's not, Eric.' He confirmed that the raw material outlook remains within the previously guided range of up low-single-digits. He did clarify, however, that while a broad price increase may not be necessary, specific businesses more heavily impacted by tariffs might need to implement price increases sooner.

Eric Bosshard asked about any observed price sensitivity or trade-down in the architectural business and inquired about the payback period for investments in new sales reps.

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CEO Heidi Petz reported seeing the opposite of trade-down, with customers valuing productivity and choosing higher-end products. SVP & CFO Allen Mistysyn explained that the return on new reps is very quick, typically 1-2 quarters, especially in residential repaint where splitting territories allows for rapid sales growth.

Eric Bosshard asked about the long-term financial model, seeking to understand the point at which the curve of investment moderates, allowing for sustained market share growth and operating margin expansion.

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Executive Allen Mistysyn confirmed this is the ultimate target. He explained that as the macro demand environment improves, volume growth will outpace the rate of investment, allowing the company to gain significant leverage on its SG&A spend. This will, in turn, drive operating margin to grow at a faster pace.

Eric Bosshard asked two housekeeping questions: first, whether the price mix has been positive in the 1.5%-2% range over the last six weeks, and second, if the assumption of outgrowing the flat market by 2-3 points in 2026 is already being observed in the business or if it's a ramp-up.

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CFO Roxanne Warner clarified that while Black Friday involved promotional depth, the majority of price mix benefits for the six weeks would materialize in 2026, with Q1 still impacted by production reductions. Chairman and CEO Marc Bitzer added that Gross Sales Value (GSV) has been favorable in the last six weeks, indicating pricing is coming through. Bitzer stated that the 2-3 point outperformance is almost entirely built on the success of new products, driven by flooring gains and sell-out gains observed since their launch, not just in the last six weeks.

Eric Bosshard asked two housekeeping questions for CFO Roxanne Warner: first, if price mix has been positive in the 1.5-2% range over the last six weeks, and second, if the assumption for outgrowing the flat market by 2-3 points in 2026 is already occurring or if it's a ramp-up throughout the year.

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CFO Roxanne Warner clarified that the majority of the price mix benefit for the recent six-week period would materialize in 2026, with Q1 still impacted by production reductions. Chairman and CEO Marc Bitzer added that favorable gross average selling values (ASVs) indicate pricing is coming through. Mr. Bitzer stated that the 2-3 points of market outperformance is almost entirely driven by the success of new products, evidenced by flooring gains and sellout gains, and this trend is expected to continue with further new product introductions in 2026.

Eric Bosshard of Cleveland Research Company asked for the basis of Whirlpool's confidence in offsetting tariff impacts with pricing. He also questioned why the company's North American market share was contracting even before the full effect of protective tariffs.

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Marc Bitzer, Chairman & CEO, stated that the necessary pricing actions to offset tariffs were largely implemented in Q2, though their positive impact was masked by a negative product mix. He attributed the minor, temporary share loss to a deliberate choice not to participate in value-destroying promotions driven by competitor inventory, expressing confidence that share will be regained as new products roll out and the playing field levels.

Eric Bosshard of Cleveland Research Company asked for clarification on the timing and annualized run-rate of the 250 basis point tariff impact and questioned whether the source was primarily finished goods or components.

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Marc Bitzer (executive) confirmed the impact is heavily back-half loaded and would be larger on an annualized basis. He specified the impact is largely from components that are not yet sourced domestically, plus some finished goods. Both he and James Peters (executive) cautioned against a simple annualization, as the company is actively rewiring its supply chain to mitigate these costs in the future.

Eric Bosshard questioned why the North American margin guidance isn't higher, given the one-time nature of the Q4 issue and new pricing actions. He also asked why the various positive pricing and mix factors don't sum to a benefit greater than 75 basis points for 2025.

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CFO Jim Peters explained the 2025 guidance is conservative and does not assume a recovery in the discretionary housing market, unlike what may have been in prior expectations. He clarified that the 75 basis point price/mix benefit is partially offset by product transition costs. Furthermore, the most significant mix driver, the new KitchenAid line, launches later in the year, meaning its full benefit will extend into 2026 and be amplified when the discretionary market eventually recovers.

Eric Bosshard asked for more clarity on how Whirlpool is balancing the priorities of market share, promotions, and margin expansion in North America during the fourth quarter, given the expected unusual demand patterns.

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CEO Marc Bitzer reiterated that the company's primary focus remains on margin expansion. He explained that during a U.S. election year with low consumer sentiment, the effectiveness of promotions is limited. Therefore, the company will continue its disciplined approach, only participating in promotions that create clear value and lift. He added that U.S. market share has been recovering since the pricing changes made earlier in the year and that the company feels good about the current trend.

Eric Bosshard of Cleveland Research Company inquired about the performance of price and mix in fiscal 2025 versus expectations and the strategic outlook for pricing in 2026. He also sought clarification on retail category growth and Scotts' market share performance.

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President & COO Nate Baxter explained that the approximate 1.5% price increase in 2025 was reinvested into retail activation programs and that the company intends to take further pricing in 2026. EVP, CFO & Chief Accounting Officer Mark Scheiwer confirmed that the price/mix impact aligned with initial expectations. Regarding market share, Nate Baxter stated that the lawn and garden market grew about 5% in units year-to-date, and Scotts Miracle-Gro captured two points of that share.

Eric Bosshard of Cleveland Research Company asked if the heightened promotional spending was planned, why the company aims to narrow the price gap to private label if its brand is strong, and how it reconciles a focus on units with its gross margin improvement goals.

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CEO James Hagedorn and other executives clarified that the significant increase in promotional spending was planned, budgeted, and funded by reinvesting list price increases. On price gaps, Hagedorn explained the strategy is not just about competing with private label but making lawn care more accessible through a multi-bag approach, which will naturally lower the price per application over time. Executives stated that driving unit volume is complementary to margin goals, as higher volume improves plant utilization and absorbs fixed overhead, making it a key lever for margin expansion.

Eric Bosshard of Cleveland Research Company asked about the strategic interplay between price, market share, and gross margin, specifically whether increased promotional spending is needed to drive traffic or if brand investment alone is sufficient. He also questioned if 2025 POS growth could exceed 2024's strong performance.

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Executive James Hagedorn described the company's significant investment in retailer programs as a 'virtuous' cycle that builds a competitive 'moat' and drives market share, stating they are not done spending. Executive Nate Baxter added that they are leaning into promotions and view private label as part of a healthy category structure, not a threat. Regarding POS growth, Hagedorn was cautiously optimistic, acknowledging potential upside but emphasizing the need to avoid overpromising due to the negative leverage on incentive compensation.

Eric Bosshard asked for clarity on the path to a 35% gross margin, seeking to reconcile that goal with the stated difficulties in raising prices, competition from private label, and persistent pressure in the lawn category.

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CEO James Hagedorn clarified that private label losses were strategic decisions on low-margin business and not a sign of weakening brand commitment from retailers. COO Nate Baxter outlined the plan for the lawn category, which includes a renewed marketing focus on feeding and long-term investments in new active ingredients and biologicals. CFO Matt Garth reiterated that the path to higher margins is supported by cost savings, operational efficiencies, and innovation, in addition to targeted pricing.

Eric Bosshard questioned the consumer response to recent price increases, asking if it was impacting volumes or mix. He also asked about the competitive dynamics in LVT following the implementation of tariffs on Chinese imports.

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Chairman & CEO Jeffrey Lorberbaum responded that it is too early to gauge the full consumer reaction but believes imported product prices must rise, which will advantage Mohawk's local manufacturing. President & COO Paul De Cock noted that while the industry awaits final tariff outcomes, some supply chains have already begun shifting away from China.

Eric Bosshard questioned if there were any new or different competitive dynamics, particularly in U.S. tile, that are limiting pricing or market share, and asked about the influence of tariffs on this environment.

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Vice Chairman Chris Wellborn acknowledged that industry underutilization creates pricing pressure but pointed to Mohawk's strong operational performance and success in the commercial and builder channels. CEO Jeff Lorberbaum added that the U.S. ceramic market faces intense competition from global players who direct their excess capacity to the region.

Eric Bosshard asked if slowing commercial activity would create a negative mix pressure in 2025. He also sought to understand the level of conviction behind the forecast for demand improvement next year, given that a 2024 recovery did not materialize.

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Chairman and CEO Jeff Lorberbaum confirmed that commercial is generally a higher-margin business and the company anticipates it will slow. Executive James Brunk added that commercial is only 25% of the business, while remodeling is nearly half, and an inflection in remodeling provides a significant mix and volume lift. Regarding 2025, Lorberbaum expressed strong conviction based on historical cycles, stating he has never seen a period where falling interest rates did not lead to a housing industry pickup.

Eric Bosshard from Cleveland Research Company inquired about current inflation trends for stick, brick, and land costs and the outlook for these expenses. He also asked if there were any notable changes in product or price point performance, including areas of outperformance.

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SVP Jessica Hansen reported a 2% year-over-year decline in stick and brick costs and a slight sequential drop in lot costs. President and CEO Paul Romanowski added that he does not expect significant changes in lot valuations in the near term. EVP and COO Michael Murray noted strong buyer adoption of smaller floor plans, which is an encouraging trend.

Eric Bosshard of Cleveland Research Company asked about inflation trends for construction materials (stick and brick) and land costs. He also inquired about any notable changes or areas of outperformance in the company's product mix or price points.

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SVP Jessica Hansen reported that stick and brick costs were down about 2% year-over-year, while lot costs were up mid-single-digits. President and CEO Paul Romanowski added that the land market hasn't shifted significantly. EVP & COO Michael Murray noted the company is seeing strong adoption of its smaller floor plans.

Eric Bosshard of Cleveland Research Company asked how the company would manage potential cost inflation from tariffs and whether their reduced pace creates an opportunity for concessions from land partners like Forestar.

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President and CEO Paul Romanowski and other executives explained that managing tariff impacts would involve a combination of strategies at the community level, leveraging their scale as an advantage. EVP and COO Michael Murray addressed land partners, stating that they work collaboratively to adjust lot delivery schedules, framing it as a partnership with seasoned developers who understand market cycles.

Eric Bosshard of Cleveland Research Company asked if D.R. Horton is considering more meaningful product changes to address affordability beyond smaller homes. He also questioned if consumer behavior has changed with mortgage rates returning to 7%.

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COO Michael Murray explained that significant near-term product shifts are difficult due to lot sizes and municipal approvals, but the company continues to focus on efficiency. Executive Jessica Hansen noted a 1% year-over-year decrease in average square footage and a rise in attached homes to 17% of closings. President and CEO Paul Romanowski stated that rate buydowns remain the most effective incentive and that traffic and sales pace have been pleasing so far in the quarter.

Eric Bosshard asked for clarity on rising incentive costs, questioning if it's a strategic investment to boost sales or simply a reflection of the higher cost to buy down rates. He also asked about other potential solutions to address housing affordability beyond incentives and smaller homes.

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President & CEO Paul Romanowski explained that they expect to maintain elevated incentives to ensure affordability. EVP & CFO Bill Wheat added that rate volatility inherently increases the cost of these incentives. EVP & COO Michael Murray mentioned other affordability levers include evaluating product selections, strategic land acquisition, and driving efficiencies with trade partners.

Eric Bosshard of Cleveland Research Company questioned the key changes driving the reduced back-half revenue guidance, the underlying order trends in the underground construction business, and whether recent pricing actions were skewed by segment.

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Chairman, President & CEO Richard Olson stated the guidance reduction is almost entirely driven by weaker homeowner behavior impacting the residential segment and some professional products. He affirmed that underlying demand and order trends for underground construction remain strong, with the company focused on managing down its backlog. Both Olson and VP & CFO Angela Drake clarified that pricing actions are not skewed but are a surgical, cross-company process based on specific markets, with implementation occurring in the second half of the year.

Eric Bosshard of Cleveland Research Company asked about the drivers behind the Residential segment's Q4 profit contraction and the change in the full-year 2025 revenue outlook, which was revised down from prior expectations.

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CFO Angela Drake explained the Residential segment's Q4 margin pressure was anticipated due to lower volume, an unfavorable product mix with fewer snow products, and increased freight and manufacturing costs. CEO Richard Olson attributed the more cautious fiscal 2025 revenue guidance to continued softness in homeowner-related markets, which was first noted in Q3, and ongoing adjustments in the snow and compact utility loader categories.

Eric Bosshard sought to confirm if the change in the full-year revenue guidance was narrowly attributable to weaker dealer orders driven by homeowner caution. He also asked if this homeowner weakness was incrementally worse than previously expected or just a continuation of a known trend.

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CEO Richard Olson confirmed that the revenue guidance adjustment was indeed primarily driven by caution from homeowners, which affected dealer orders. He characterized the situation as being consistent with the company's inventory reduction plan initiated a year ago, but noted the trajectory changed slightly with increased caution from customers and dealers in July, at the end of the summer season. He stressed that the company remains on track with its overall inventory reduction goals.

Eric Bosshard inquired about Lowe's response to consumer affordability challenges through its pricing and promotions, and asked about the strategy for managing expenses and margins amid sluggish demand and potential cost pressures.

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EVP of Merchandising William Boltz explained the focus is on providing 'value' through a mix of price, product innovation, and member-exclusive offers. Chairman and CEO Marvin Ellison and CFO Brandon Sink reaffirmed their commitment to disciplined expense control and Perpetual Productivity Improvement (PPI) initiatives, highlighting the team's strong track record in managing costs regardless of the macro environment.