Etienne Ricard

Etienne Ricard asked about the incremental margins on Sprott's ETF platform relative to its physical trusts and the competitive landscape for precious metals products.

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John Ciampaglia, CEO of Sprott Asset Management, and Kevin Hibbert, CFO of Sprott Inc., explained that ETF scale improves margins by reducing service provider costs and subsidizing new fund launches, with most ETFs now above their $25M-$75M break-even AUM. ETFs generally offer higher margin opportunities due to lower fixed costs. Ciampaglia noted that while the precious metals ETF market is mature and crowded with low-cost entrants, Sprott maintains premium pricing. He highlighted that new competitors in the mining space often have unsophisticated, underperforming offerings, contrasting with Sprott's differentiated index construction. Whitney George, CEO of Sprott Inc., added that their active ETFs (METL, GBUD) are unique, leveraging Sprott's deep analytical expertise.

Etienne Ricard inquired about the incremental margins of Sprott's ETF platform relative to its trusts, considering the ETF platform's growing but still relatively small percentage of total assets. He also asked about the break-even AUM levels for ETFs and the competitive landscape in the precious metals market, specifically regarding new product entrants from other asset managers.

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John Ciampaglia, CEO of Sprott Asset Management, explained that the ETF platform benefits from scale, allowing for additional margin capture as assets grow due to falling service provider costs and subsidized new fund launches. He noted that almost all ETFs are now above their break-even AUM, which can range from $25 million to $75 million depending on the management fee and listing market. Kevin Hibbert, CFO of Sprott Inc., added that ETFs generally offer higher margin opportunities than physical trusts due to lower fixed cost structures. Regarding competition, John Ciampaglia stated that while the ETF market for precious metals is mature, new entrants often discount pricing and lack deep metals and mining expertise, leading to underperforming offerings compared to Sprott's differentiated index construction. Whitney George, CEO of Sprott Inc., highlighted the unique active management capabilities of Sprott's Active Gold and Silver Miners ETF and Active Metals and Miners ETF, leveraging the company's deep bench of industry experts.

Étienne Ricard from BMO Capital Markets asked about the Sprott Physical Copper Trust, questioning what is needed to narrow its significant discount to NAV and how trade policy volatility affects demand. He also inquired about Sprott's potential incremental operating margins with rising net flows.

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John Ciampaglia, CEO of Sprott Asset Management, attributed the copper trust's discount to the recent CME/LME price dislocation and selling pressure from a specific institution. He stated the primary initiative to close the gap is a pending SEC application to dual-list the vehicle with a more flexible redemption option. CFO Kevin Hibbert and CEO Whitney George addressed margins, explaining that as the high-margin exchange-listed segment grows, the consolidated margin could approach 80%, though this is balanced by reinvestment and a desire to grow other lower-margin, high-fee businesses.

Etienne Ricard asked about the investor profile of the physical gold trust amid market volatility, the potential for expanding the ETF offering after the launch of the first active ETF, the AUM level for new ETFs to break even, and the catalysts needed for the Sprott Physical Uranium Trust's discount to NAV to narrow.

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John Ciampaglia, CEO of Sprott Asset Management, explained that institutional investors, not retail, are currently driving inflows into the gold trust as they seek portfolio hedges. He noted that the company's focus is on scaling its existing differentiated ETFs rather than numerous new launches, and breakeven points are favorable due to strong, non-commoditized fees. CEO Whitney George added that significant opportunity remains in active management ETFs. Regarding the uranium trust, Ciampaglia identified rising spot prices, new utility contract RFPs for near-term delivery, and positive industry news as key factors that would help narrow the discount to NAV.

Etienne Ricard of BMO Capital Markets asked about areas of better-than-expected operating leverage and the company's confidence in its systems to handle the increased AUM from Amundi, as well as the drivers behind strong global strategy performance.

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President and CFO Michael Policarpo attributed margin strength and scalability to the firm's 'world-class' single operating platform and strategic partner relationships, which provide confidence in integrating Amundi. He also noted that the RS Global product's outstanding long-term performance and differentiated investment process have been the primary drivers of strong flows in the global and international equity segment.

Etienne Ricard inquired about the strategy for distributing Victory's products in emerging markets through the Amundi partnership and asked about the key factors behind the strong inflows into VictoryShares' free cash flow ETFs.

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David Brown, Chairman and CEO, explained that the Amundi distribution agreement is uniform across all geographies and they will work with Amundi's teams to structure products for each region, including emerging markets. For ETFs like VFLO and SFLO, he attributed their early-stage success to a unified sales force that provides solutions to financial advisors, noting that the company has been in the ETF business for over eight years and plans to launch more products.

Etienne Ricard of BMO Capital Markets inquired about Victory Capital's successful product development strategies, particularly in ETFs, and its capital allocation priorities, specifically the balance between share repurchases and cash accumulation ahead of the Amundi transaction closing.

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CEO David Brown explained that new product success, especially in ETFs like VFLO, is driven by direct input from clients and sales teams. Regarding capital allocation, Brown stated the company will maintain its strategy of balancing shareholder returns with M&A. He confirmed that share repurchases, an important part of their strategy, will resume as soon as permitted, and the company's strong balance sheet will be further enhanced post-Amundi, positioning it for future consolidation opportunities.