Jian Huang

Jian Huang of Morgan Stanley asked for views on the geographic distribution of social inflation risk, noting shifts in states like Georgia and Texas. He then questioned if this trend could make commercial casualty lines behave more like personal lines, where geography is a primary underwriting factor.

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W. Robert Berkley, Jr. (Executive) agreed that certain jurisdictions are more challenging and that the key issue is states rapidly changing their legal environment. He cited Georgia and parts of Texas as examples of previously defendant-friendly areas that have become more aggressive. He affirmed the questioner's premise, stating that the company is already applying a geographic lens, similar to nat cat exposure analysis, to its underwriting of casualty risk at a granular, county-by-county level.

Jian Huang of Morgan Stanley (referred to as Bob Janhua in the transcript) asked for clarification on the 5% decline in personal auto policy life expectancy (PLE), questioning the role of the mix shift towards higher-PLE 'Robinsons'. He also asked if the absence of tariff headwinds would allow for more aggressive growth or significant price reductions.

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Tricia Griffith, CEO, President & Director, clarified that the recent mix shift has been towards lower-PLE 'SAMs' as underwriting appetite reopened, contrasting with the preferred business added previously. She also cited increased consumer shopping and policy reviews as factors. On tariffs, she stated that while the company was initially conservative due to uncertainty, they will act to grow profitably in states where margins permit as they gain more clarity.

Jian Huang inquired about Progressive's auto rate strategy, asking if the company plans to decrease rates to accelerate growth given strong profitability, or maintain them due to tariff uncertainties. He also asked about the allocation of advertising spend across channels like TV, digital, and radio.

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CEO Susan Griffith explained that rate decisions are made state-by-state, with recent actions being a mix of small increases and decreases, but mostly flat. While mindful of tariff risks, the primary goal is to continue growth. Regarding advertising, Griffith stated that spend is allocated based on efficiency across all channels, including digital and traditional media like radio and direct mail, to acquire new business below target costs.

Jian Huang inquired about the future effectiveness of advertising spend if competition intensifies and asked about the combined ratio impact from stabilizing policy life expectancy.

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CEO Susan Griffith expressed confidence in Progressive's positioning, noting continued media investment and new brand-building ads. An unnamed executive highlighted that local product managers drive pricing decisions. Regarding retention, Griffith acknowledged its importance and stated the focus is on stable rates and service to improve it.

Jian (Bob) Huang from Morgan Stanley asked about Allstate's strategy for maintaining new business growth and retention as more competitors improve their profitability and pivot to growth. He also posed a hypothetical question about the potential impact of increased speed limits in states like New York on frequency and severity assumptions.

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Tom Wilson, Chairman, President & CEO, expressed confidence in Allstate's competitive position, citing its broad distribution, new products, and effective advertising. Mario Rizzo, President of Property-Liability, added that growth is supported by rate refinements and the 'SAVE' retention program. Regarding speed limits, Mr. Wilson stated that the company is well-equipped to manage such changes profitably through its sophisticated, data-driven individual pricing capabilities.

Jian Huang asked for perspective on Allstate's capital position and the pace of capital returns. He also questioned if competitor pullbacks in the California homeowners market could disrupt bundling strategies and create a growth opportunity for Allstate.

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Thomas Wilson (executive) and Jesse Merten (executive) affirmed they are very comfortable with their capital position and the existing $1.5 billion share repurchase program, aiming for a consistent presence in the market. On California, Wilson acknowledged that competitor issues could create an auto insurance opening due to bundling, but stated Allstate remains uninterested in expanding its homeowners exposure there until rates better reflect costs. Mario Rizzo (executive) added that Allstate's California auto business is profitable and open for growth.

Jian Huang questioned if the current auto combined ratio is sufficient for Allstate to aggressively pursue growth. He also asked if homeowners growth is concentrated in high-risk geographies that competitors are abandoning and which regions are most attractive.

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Executive Thomas Wilson confirmed the auto profit improvement plan is complete and the current margin is sufficient for growth, citing a 60% increase in advertising spend as evidence. Regarding Homeowners, Wilson explained that risk is manageable with sophisticated pricing and reinsurance. Executive Mario Rizzo specified that Allstate is not seeking growth in Florida or California but sees significant opportunity in the 'middle part of the country,' where competitors have pulled back but Allstate's capabilities allow for profitable growth.

Jian (Bob) Huang from Morgan Stanley inquired about the competitive landscape in Personal Lines as The Hartford pivots to growth. He asked whether it is easier or harder to grow now, given that many competitors also have strong underwriting results, and if there are differences between the auto and home markets.

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Chairman & CEO Christopher Swift and Head of Personal Insurance Melinda Thompson acknowledged the competitive environment makes growth challenging. They highlighted their differentiated approach through the AARP direct channel and the rollout of the Prevail product to independent agents. Thompson noted that home insurance has different dynamics due to capacity constraints, while auto retention is more pressured by significant rate increases.

Jian Huang inquired about the cumulative impact of the recent general liability reserve charges, asking how much total loss picks for the book have increased from initial assumptions. He also asked for guidance on the normal run-rate for the long-term disability business, given that incidence trends are normalizing after being abnormally low.

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CEO Christopher Swift deferred on providing a specific number for the increase in GL loss picks, directing the analyst to the upcoming 10-K and Schedule P filings for details. For Group Benefits, Swift explained that after two years of all-time low disability incidence, the company is now reflecting a 'return to mean' assumption in its reserves. Executive Michael Fish added that recent incidence experience correlates to a 5-year historical average, which is consistent with their pricing assumptions.

Jian Huang of Morgan Stanley inquired about workers' compensation, asking how the post-COVID book of business is developing and whether similar levels of reserve releases should be expected. He also asked about the weaker pricing environment and concerns over rising medical cost inflation.

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CFO Beth Bombara explained that post-COVID accident years are still too young to make significant reserve adjustments and offered no predictions on future development. CEO Christopher Swift added that overall trends are stable, with medical severity remaining within their 5% long-term assumption. He noted that while pricing requires selectivity, the line remains highly profitable for The Hartford.

Bob Jian Huang inquired about the split between new and renewal business driving growth, which lines offer exciting new business prospects, and the growth trajectory for the homeowners line.

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Chairman & CEO Michael Kehoe stated that while he lacked a precise split, growth was likely driven mostly by new business. He and President & COO Brian Haney highlighted entertainment, high-value homeowners, and small business property as areas with robust growth. Mr. Kehoe confirmed homeowners is a growing opportunity in multiple states but does not expect it to cause a near-term shift in the company's 70/30 casualty-to-property premium split.

Bob Jian Huang from Morgan Stanley asked for details on the drivers of Chubb's strong growth in Latin America and the potential impact on its high-net-worth business if FEMA's flood insurance program were phased out.

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Chairman & CEO Evan Greenberg attributed the robust Latin America growth to broad-based strength in Mexico, digital partnerships in Chile and Brazil, and an improving environment in Argentina, expecting double-digit growth to continue. Regarding FEMA, he stated its coverage is modest for high-net-worth clients and the private flood market is well-positioned to provide coverage, so the impact would be minimal on Chubb's book.

Bob Jian Huang from Morgan Stanley asked about the drivers of strong growth in Latin America and the potential impact on Chubb's high-net-worth business if the FEMA flood insurance program were phased out.

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Chairman & CEO Evan Greenberg attributed Latin America's strong performance to broad-based growth across Mexico, Chile, Brazil, and Argentina, particularly in auto, small commercial, A&H, and digital partnerships, expecting double-digit growth to continue. Regarding FEMA, he stated its limits are modest for high-net-worth clients and the private flood market is growing, so a phase-out would not significantly move the needle for Chubb's business, though it would be detrimental for the country.

Jian Huang of Morgan Stanley inquired about the growth outlook for North America commercial lines, given strong pricing, and asked about the drivers of international growth in light of competitive pressures in the London market.

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Chairman and CEO Evan G. Greenberg declined to give specific forward guidance but expressed confidence in Chubb's ability to achieve above-trend growth in North America, citing strong new business and retention. He clarified that the London wholesale market represents only about 10% of their international business and that growth remains robust and broad-based across Asia, Europe, and Latin America.

Jian Huang asked for more detail on which components are most sensitive to tariffs within Housing and Auto, and whether a pull-forward of car sales would significantly impact the business.

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CFO Keith Meier stated that the company runs scenario planning for various tariffed items like lumber and steel, but feels well-positioned to manage impacts through features like 'inflation guard' and client partnerships. President and CEO Keith Demmings acknowledged a likely pull-forward of auto sales but does not expect a significant impact on the full-year business, viewing it as a timing issue given the large, in-force book of business that earns out over time.

Jian Huang of Morgan Stanley asked for a ranking of growth drivers by business line after Casualty and inquired about the long-term expense ratio trajectory, considering the balance between scaling benefits and investment needs.

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CEO Stephen Sills ranked the growth drivers by absolute dollars as Casualty, Healthcare, Professional, then Baleen, and by percentage growth as Baleen, Casualty, Healthcare, then Professional. CFO Brad Mulcahey stated the focus is on ensuring the right level of investment, not just lowering the expense ratio. He noted technology is the largest administrative expense after staff costs, and investments are evaluated on a cost/benefit basis to drive efficiency and better underwriting decisions.

Jian Huang questioned the expected retention rate for the Car business, given the commentary on improving lifetime loss ratios. He also asked if the full-year guidance was conservative due to tariff uncertainty and if EBITDA could be higher than guided.

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CFO Timothy Bixby explained that Car retention is impacted by a 'new business penalty' from rapid growth but sees a double-digit loss ratio improvement at the 6-month renewal mark. Regarding guidance, he stated it is balanced and not solely dependent on tariffs. CEO Daniel Schreiber added that the revenue guide was raised in line with the Q1 beat, but EBITDA was not, as it came in as planned.

Jian Huang inquired about Lemonade's path to GAAP net income profitability, particularly with the expansion into the competitive auto insurance market, and how the 2025 guidance aligns with this goal. He also asked if the shift in business mix towards auto would alter the company's target 3:1 LTV to CAC ratio.

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President and Co-Founder Shai Wininger confirmed the company's long-term profitability timeline remains on track: EBITDA positive exiting 2026, followed by GAAP profitability approximately a year later. He stated this path is robust, even with shifts in the pace of car insurance growth. Wininger also explained that the 3:1 LTV to CAC ratio has been historically stable despite mix changes because Lemonade strategically allocates growth spend to maintain that target, giving them flexibility to grow different products and regions efficiently.

Jian Huang asked for more detail on the reinsurance opportunities in Japan, including the market size and competitive dynamics.

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CEO Tony Cheng described the Japan opportunity as 'very exciting' but still in its early stages, with clients typically transacting in smaller, successive tranches. He explained that RGA avoids the highly competitive asset-only market, instead focusing on its 'sweet spot': asset-intensive deals that include biometric risk for long-term clients. He highlighted RGA's large local team and after-sales service as a critical long-term competitive advantage.

Jian Huang asked about the reinsurance market for its Japan business, whether a preliminary ESR ratio was provided, and for an outlook on variable investment income (VII) given market volatility.

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CFO Yanela Frias explained that Prudential uses multiple reinsurance avenues, including its subsidiary Prismic and external partners, based on a holistic strategic evaluation. She confirmed no preliminary ESR ratio was provided but is planned for the summer. Regarding VII, she noted that while near-term prediction is difficult, a 10% equity market decline could reduce returns by 200-250 basis points from their target over four quarters, but the long-term outlook remains positive.

Jian Huang asked for a ranking of capital allocation priorities between underwriting growth and share repurchases, and inquired about the size of the company's new investment position in gold futures.

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CEO Kevin O'Donnell explained that the company is in a fortunate capital position where it does not need to prioritize and can pursue both attractive underwriting opportunities and share repurchases simultaneously, with a focus on preserving margin. He noted the gold position was a prudent hedge against macroeconomic uncertainty but declined to disclose its size, emphasizing it does not represent a change in their conservative, long-term investment philosophy.

Jian Huang of Morgan Stanley asked for commentary on commercial auto trends, noting Travelers' stable performance amid industry headwinds. He also inquired about the company's technology strategy regarding in-house versus third-party software development.

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Daniel Frey, CFO, stated that after challenges in 2018-2019, Travelers has effectively managed its commercial auto book and has not needed significant estimate changes recently, though the industry still requires rate. Alan Schnitzer, CEO, added that a new commercial auto product is performing well. On technology, Mr. Schnitzer explained that they build capabilities in-house when there is a proprietary benefit and source from third parties otherwise, a strategy that improves their investment mix.

Jian Huang inquired about growth opportunities within the Core Commercial middle market for 2025 and the rationale behind increasing IBNR reserves for the commercial umbrella line.

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President and CEO John 'Jack' C. Roche stated that while small commercial shows strong momentum, middle market growth will be more cautious pending environmental stability. President of Agency Markets, Dick Lavey, identified work comp, tech, and life sciences as key growth areas. CFO Jeff Farber clarified that the commercial umbrella reserve addition was a prudent, forward-looking measure against broad industry trends, not a reaction to specific adverse development within Hanover's book.