Nick Giles

Nick Giles asked about the CapEx differences for the Chesapeake (Morgantown) development compared to Lake Mariner, and the strategies to de-risk the project. He also sought an update on the timing and requirements for FERC approval at Morgantown.

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Nazar Khan, Co-Founder and Chief Technology Officer, detailed that data center CapEx remains $8M-$10M/MW, but Morgantown adds power generation ($2M-$3M/MW) and battery storage ($1M/MW), totaling $13M-$14M/MW. He explained that customers would pay for this full cost, realizing lower net power costs. Paul Prager, Co-Founder, Chairman, and CEO, stated that FERC approval for transferring an existing power facility is a routine process, expected within three to six months.

Nick Giles asked how CapEx for Chesapeake (Morgantown) might differ from Lake Mariner, given additional components like power generation and battery storage, and what measures are de-risking its development. He also inquired about the timing and third-party approvals, specifically FERC, for Morgantown.

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Nazar Khan (Co-Founder and Chief Technology Officer, TeraWulf) provided a CapEx breakdown for Morgantown: $8M-$10M/MW for data center, $2M-$3M/MW for power generation, and ~$1M/MW for battery storage, totaling $13M-$14M/MW fully loaded. He explained that customers would pay a capacity payment covering these costs, benefiting from lower net power costs. Paul Prager (Co-Founder, Chairman, and CEO, TeraWulf) stated that FERC approval for transferring an existing power facility is routine and expected within three to six months.

Nick Giles asked for details on the revenue contract structure, such as the starting revenue per megawatt and annual escalators. He also inquired if the project financing would be a single event and if Google would backstop the potential expansion.

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CFO Patrick Fleury stated that specific contract details like escalators are confidential but confirmed financing will be a 'series of transactions' given the company's improved credit profile. Management also affirmed their expectation that Google would backstop the additional capacity if the 30-day option is exercised.

Nick Giles asked about the potential cost savings and timeline for the integration of TeraWulf and Beowulf, and inquired about expectations for capital intensity and build costs for future sites like Cayuga, considering potential tariff impacts.

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CEO Paul Prager explained that the Beowulf integration is undergoing a rigorous independent board process to ensure shareholder alignment and cannot be commented on in detail, but is viewed as a near-term, value-driving opportunity. CFO Patrick Fleury added that build costs, even with a 5-10% tariff impact, are expected to remain within the guided $6 million to $8 million per critical megawatt range due to site-specific advantages and design optimizations from the Core42 partnership.

Nick Giles inquired about TeraWulf's positioning for AI inference versus training demand at its Lake Mariner site, its strategy for new site acquisitions, and the primary factors that would drive a decision to convert Bitcoin mining capacity to HPC hosting.

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CEO Paul Prager confirmed the Lake Mariner site is capable of handling both training and inference workloads for its partner, Core42. He highlighted that the company's energy development expertise provides a competitive advantage in sourcing new sites, with Cayuga as the next priority. Prager emphasized that any conversion of mining capacity to HPC would be a strategic decision to achieve the highest value per megawatt, driven more by strong HPC customer demand than by Bitcoin mining economics.

Nick Giles asked about the directional trend of capital expenditure for the Brook Mine, specifically how it might change from the prior $1.1 billion estimate with the removal of solvent extraction from the new flow sheet. He also inquired about the company's considerations for pursuing DPA Title III or DOE loan programs for financing, given the favorable policy environment for critical minerals.

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Michael Woloschuk, EVP of Critical Mineral Operations, stated that while some CapEx is removed from the back end by eliminating solvent extraction, the carbochlorination process itself will have its own CapEx. He deferred specific numbers until Hatch completes the PEA. Randall Atkins, Chairman and CEO, confirmed ongoing conversations with various government groups, without specifying programs, but noted that the pivot to gallium for semiconductors is likely to enhance these discussions.

Nick Giles sought a better understanding of the rationale behind the Strategic Critical Minerals Terminal, including the economics for third parties and why Ramaco wouldn't opt for direct sales with a smaller footprint for potentially more attractive economics. He also questioned the accelerated timeline for the pilot plant's operational target by mid-2026 and the confidence in validating processing techniques within this timeframe.

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Chairman and CEO Randy Atkins explained that the terminal acts as a clearinghouse, similar to a petroleum hub, allowing controlled marketing to third parties and providing optionality for other producers and Ramaco, offering a net benefit without heavy CapEx and providing market visibility. Randy Atkins and EVP for Critical Mineral Operations Mike Woloschuk detailed the pilot plant's accelerated timeline, citing off-site engineering, design, and testing at Zeton's facility, Hatch's involvement in basic engineering, Zeton's specialization, and Ramaco's in-house expertise and extensive prior work.

Nick Giles asked for a better understanding of the rationale behind the Strategic Critical Minerals Terminal, including third-party economics and why not sell directly to customers, and later questioned the confidence in fine-tuning and validating processing techniques for the pilot plant within an accelerated timeline.

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Randy Atkins, Chairman and CEO, described the terminal as a clearinghouse or regional hub for controlled marketing, providing optionality and market visibility, with a net economic benefit. Regarding the pilot plant, Randy Atkins mentioned fast-tracking through off-site engineering and testing with Xeton. Mike Woloschuk, EVP for Critical Mineral Operations, detailed the advanced design, Xeton's expertise, and in-house knowledge, stating the six-month operational period is for product generation, and the pilot plant will serve as a long-term asset for optimization.

Nick Giles of B.Riley Securities followed up on the scandium market, asking for details on its primary growth drivers and why a new Western source would create incremental demand when global supply did not previously appear constrained. He also shifted to the metallurgical coal business, inquiring about current price realizations into Asia and the netback levels for a spot vessel in the current challenging market.

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EVP of Critical Minerals Operations Mike Woloschuk explained that the key growth driver for scandium is the aerospace industry, with major players like Boeing and Airbus hesitant to use it due to reliance on Chinese supply. He clarified that demand has been constrained by the lack of a secure, long-term Western source, not by global availability. Regarding coal pricing, EVP & CCO Jason Fannin stated that netbacks to the mine for Asian spot sales are currently below $100 per ton. CFO Jeremy Sussman added that Ramaco is over 95% committed and is deliberately avoiding the Asian spot market to protect margins rather than sell at a loss.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities inquired about Ramaco's metallurgical coal business, specifically asking for clarity on the implied sales mix and cost improvements for the second half of 2025. He also questioned the potential for the Brook Mine rare earth project to be included on the FAST 41 list and the associated benefits. Additionally, he asked about the company's interest in bringing on a strategic partner for the rare earth venture, the reasons for the delay in the preliminary economic analysis, and how the project's coal component contributes to its overall economics.

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EVP Jeremy Sussman confirmed that Q2 sales guidance implies a production and sales ramp-up in the second half of the year, with costs expected to be at the higher end of the annual range in Q2 due to lower tonnage. Chairman and CEO Randall Atkins clarified that the Brook Mine was not on the FAST 41 list because it already has its permits, but the company is exploring other avenues for federal support. Mr. Atkins firmly stated that Ramaco is not seeking a joint venture partner and intends to finance the project independently. He attributed the delay in the economic analysis to backlogs at testing labs and explained that revenue from selling the project's thermal coal byproduct will significantly lower the cost basis for the rare earth mining operation.

Nick Giles asked for clarification on the pricing of seaborne volumes, specifically a $111 per ton figure, and inquired about the highest return opportunities in the current market. He also questioned the capital intensity of potential growth projects, the market conditions needed to initiate them, and whether this growth CapEx is included in current guidance. Finally, he sought details on the expected development CapEx for the rare earth project and its pilot plant.

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Chief Commercial Officer Jason Fannin explained the $111 price was for settled index-linked contracts from January and February, heavily weighted to Asia, and noted the highest returns are currently in the Atlantic market. Executive Jeremy Sussman added that despite netbacks, cash margins remain strong at around $33 per ton. Chairman and CEO Randall Atkins detailed that the growth projects are capital-efficient, requiring roughly $40 million over two years to add 2 million tons, and that the company is awaiting market clarity before proceeding. Regarding the rare earth project, Atkins stated that detailed CapEx figures will be released in an upcoming techno-economic report from Fluor to avoid providing piecemeal information.

Nick Giles questioned the reasons behind silicon metal's exclusion from EU safeguards and the European Union's willingness to reconsider its inclusion. He also asked if the current dynamics in the silicon metal market could negatively impact ferrosilicon (FESI) pricing and volume expectations. Giles sought a high-level breakdown of Ferroglobe's end market exposure, considering shifts towards the steel market due to capacity conversions and changes in the U.S. administration, noting solar's potentially reduced relevance. Finally, he asked Beatriz García-Cos about the company's cash balance management, working capital focus, and CapEx expectations for 2026.

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Marco Levi, CEO of Ferroglobe, explained that silicon metal was excluded from EU safeguards due to its higher energy footprint, imports not increasing in absolute terms, and the EU's stance on non-interchangeability with ferrosilicon, compounded by strong opposition from the chemical industry and Germany. He argued that not protecting silicon metal undermines ferrosilicon safeguards. Levi confirmed Ferroglobe is pursuing new anti-dumping measures for silicon metal in Europe against China and Angola, acknowledging delays due to the high volume of cases before the European Commission. He believes silicon metal dynamics could weigh on FESI if steelmakers reformulate, but noted an increasing ferrosilicon order portfolio. Levi estimated 70-80% of Ferroglobe's business is protected, with only EU silicon metal unprotected, highlighting U.S. favorability towards critical minerals and Europe's slower, fragmented progress. Beatriz García-Cos, CFO of Ferroglobe, confirmed a strong cash position, largely from a $48 million working capital release in 2025, and expects further working capital release in 2026, aiming for a 20% reduction from 2024 levels. She anticipates a slight improvement in the net debt position. CapEx for 2025 was $63 million (30% less than 2024) and is expected to be similar or slightly lower in 2026, focusing on maintenance/sustaining CapEx.

Nick Giles inquired about the reasons for silicon metal's exclusion from EU safeguards and the potential for the EU to revisit its inclusion. He also asked if silicon metal market dynamics could impact ferrosilicon pricing and volume expectations. Additionally, Giles sought a high-level breakdown of Ferroglobe's end-market exposure, particularly regarding shifts towards the steel market and away from areas like solar, and questioned the CFO about working capital management, CapEx expectations, and overall cash flow and capital allocation strategy.

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CEO Marco Levi explained that silicon metal was excluded from EU safeguards due to its higher energy footprint, imports not increasing in absolute terms, a disputed non-interchangeability argument, and strong opposition from the chemical industry and Germany. He noted ongoing efforts for new anti-dumping measures against major dumpers like China and Angola, acknowledging political delays in the EU. Levi stated that while silicon metal dynamics could affect ferrosilicon, current order portfolios for ferrosilicon are increasing. He provided a high-level overview of end-market exposure, indicating 70-80% of the business is now protected, primarily in the U.S. and increasingly in Europe. CFO Beatriz García-Cos highlighted that the strong cash position resulted from a $48 million release in working capital in 2025, with further releases expected in 2026. She confirmed 2025 CapEx was $63 million (30% lower than 2024) and anticipated similar or slightly lower maintenance CapEx levels for 2026.

Asked about the potential structure and timing of EU safeguards, which assets would benefit, the impact of furnace conversions in the US, and any trade-related benefits for the Coorshell investment.

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The company declined to speculate on the unannounced EU safeguard details but remains optimistic, with a preliminary decision expected in August and a final one in November. They identified French and Spanish silicon metal plants as best positioned to increase volume. The furnace conversions to ferrosilicon are driven by strong US demand and weak EU silicon metal markets. The Coorshell investment is progressing well, with its pilot plant producing cells for OEMs, benefiting from the strategic push to find alternatives to Chinese graphite.

Nick Giles inquired about the assumptions behind the wide 2025 annual guidance range, seeking specifics on pricing and volume for the low and high ends. He also asked for EBITDA sensitivity metrics, commentary on silicon metal growth markets like solar and batteries, and the company's strategy for share repurchases.

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CEO Marco Levi explained that the guidance range reflects market volatility and uncertainty around trade cases, with the high end assuming a partial benefit from these measures. Chief Financial Officer Beatriz García-Cos Muntañola provided a sensitivity metric, stating a 1% price variance impacts EBITDA by approximately $14 million. Levi reaffirmed the company's commitment to the battery market and noted the US expansion project is proceeding. García-Cos added that share buybacks will remain opportunistic and will not be funded by new debt.

Nick Giles inquired about the current status of the Algoma contract litigation, including likely outcomes and the financial impact, following the closure of Haverhill One and related impairment charges. He also asked for confirmation on Phoenix Global's anticipated annual EBITDA contribution and synergies, and details on one-time integration costs incurred in Q4 2025, with expectations for Q1 2026.

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Katherine Gates, President and CEO, confirmed ongoing arbitration against Algoma for breach of contract, emphasizing the belief in an enforceable contract and expected recovery of losses from 2025 and 2026. She noted that the $30 million deferral of cash receipt in 2025 represents part, but not the full amount, of Algoma losses, mitigated by third-party sales and facility turndown. Gates also confirmed the anticipated $60 million annual EBITDA contribution and $5 million-$10 million in synergies from Phoenix Global. Mark Marinko, SVP and CFO, detailed Phoenix-related one-time costs in Q4 2025, including $3.9 million for site closures and $600,000 in transaction costs, with no further significant one-time costs expected in Q1 2026.

Nick Giles inquired about the current status of the Algoma contract litigation, particularly in light of the Haverhill One closure and associated impairment charges, and sought clarity on the likely outcomes.

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Katherine Gates, President and CEO of SunCoke Energy, confirmed active arbitration against Algoma for breach of contract, expressing confidence in recovering losses from 2025 and 2026. She noted that the $30 million deferral of cash receipt in 2025 represents a portion of the Algoma losses, mitigated by third-party sales and facility turndown. Mark Marinko, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, also detailed Phoenix-related one-time costs in Q4 2025, including $3.9 million for site closure and $600,000 in transaction costs. Gates also confirmed that Phoenix Global is still anticipated to contribute roughly $60 million in annual EBITDA and $5 million-$10 million in synergies for 2026.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities inquired about the expected cadence of adjusted EBITDA, noting that guidance implies a second-half uplift. He also asked about capital allocation priorities beyond the GPI project and the nature of other potential growth opportunities, and questioned the driver behind the Q1 coal inventory build.

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Executive Shantanu Agrawal explained that the EBITDA uplift is due to the Haverhill II contract shipments being spread throughout the year, pushing some margin recognition into the second half. President and CEO Katherine Gates reiterated a disciplined approach to growth in areas of expertise, the commitment to the dividend, and the ability to fund the Granite City project. SVP and CFO Mark Marinko clarified the coal inventory build was a normal seasonal event expected to reverse.

Nick Giles asked about the long-term outlook for the Haverhill facility in the event of a contract nonrenewal, the company's willingness for incremental spot market exposure, potential debt paydown strategies given strong cash flow, and the timing of metallurgical coal contracting.

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President and CEO Katherine Gates stated that SunCoke can adapt to cyclical markets by selling foundry and spot blast coke, as it has successfully done in the past, while continuing dialogue with long-term customers. On capital allocation, she highlighted a focus on profitable growth, like the GPI project, and shareholder returns. Executive Shantanu Agrawal added that the company's outstanding bonds have an attractive rate with no current plans for buybacks and explained that coal procurement for long-term contracts is a pass-through, while spot sales pricing accounts for current coal costs.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities inquired about the destination of coke from the extended Granite City supply agreement, its connection to the GPI project, and details on the $12 million capital investment at the Kanawha (KRT) logistics facility.

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President and CEO Katherine Gates stated that U.S. Steel determines the coke's destination. She confirmed the extension is a 'bridge' directly related to the GPI project, necessitated by delays in the government's approval of the U.S. Steel-Nippon sale. Regarding the KRT investment, Gates explained it will expand barge-to-rail unloading capacity from 2 million to 5 million tons to support a new contract and pursue additional business.

Nick Giles followed up on gross price realizations, asking for the assumed relativity in the 2026 guidance. He also inquired about the expected sustaining capital expenditures for 2027 and beyond, and sought more details on Blue Creek's contracting activity and its potential impact on realization volatility.

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Dale Boyles (CFO, Warrior) stated the overall gross price realization assumption for 2026 is about 75%, noting the significant impact of the U.S. East Coast Index running at 65% relativity. Walt Scheller (CEO, Warrior) added that for relativities to improve, the low-vol price would need to decrease. Scheller indicated that sustaining CapEx would see an uptick of $20-$30 million annually, with Dale Boyles clarifying a run rate of $110-$140 million for 2027 and beyond, increasing as Blue Creek assets require replacement. Scheller mentioned Blue Creek's contracting is 80%-85% and that increased contracting won't limit price volatility more than the High Vol A price itself.

Nick Giles inquired about Warrior's 2026 guidance, specifically the PLV price assumption and the factors preventing costs from remaining at Q4 2025 levels. He also asked about working capital trends, cash taxes for 2026, and the payment schedule for recent federal coal leases. Later, he followed up on gross price realization assumptions, future sustaining capital expenditures, and the impact of Blue Creek's contracting activity on price volatility.

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CFO Dale Boyles stated the PLV assumption for 2026 is $185-$215 per short ton, noting that elevated prices would increase transportation and royalty costs, impacting the overall cash cost range. He explained that working capital would build in the first half of 2026 due to accounts receivable and inventory, with relief expected in the second half. Dale Boyles also mentioned the $40 million 45X tax credit for 2026, suggesting Warrior might not be a cash taxpayer. Federal lease payments are $9 million annually for four years and are included in guidance. Regarding gross price realization, Dale Boyles indicated an expectation of approximately 75% for the year, influenced by the lower relativity of the U.S. East Coast Index. CEO Walt Scheller added that the high-vol A market is well-supplied, and for relativities to improve, low-vol prices would need to decrease. Walt Scheller projected sustaining capital expenditures to increase by $20-$30 million annually from 2027 onwards due to Blue Creek, with Dale Boyles estimating a run rate of $110-$140 million. Walt Scheller clarified that Blue Creek's contracting (80%-85% currently) would not significantly limit price volatility beyond that of the High Vol A price.

Nick Giles of B.Riley Securities questioned the updated cost guidance, which implies higher costs in the second half of 2025 despite strong year-to-date performance. He also asked about the potential impact of new Brazilian tariffs on sales volumes, market diversion strategies, and price realizations.

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CFO Dale Boyles clarified that the cost guidance for the second half is conservative, accounting for potential unplanned repairs and maintenance common in underground mining. CEO Walter Scheller explained that the proportion of sales to South America has naturally declined due to the different product mix from the new Blue Creek mine, which is primarily sold to Asia, and confirmed that Brazilian customers are still accepting shipments.

Nick Giles from B. Riley Securities asked for more detail on the factors driving lower price realization, shipment volume expectations for Q2, and the potential for production curtailments in the U.S. met coal market.

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CFO Dale Boyles explained that lower realization was driven by transportation costs and the price relativity between PLV and high-vol A indexes. He declined to give Q2 shipment guidance, emphasizing a full-year focus. CEO Walter Scheller commented that while it's difficult to quantify, he would not be surprised to see production curtailments given the 'pain' being felt by higher-cost producers.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities inquired about the sales guidance breakdown between Blue Creek and existing mines, the cadence of Blue Creek sales, the drivers behind the reduction in cash cost guidance, and potential shifts in sales geography due to freight differentials. He later asked about the status of the United Mine Workers labor contract and the company's target for minimum cash balance post-Blue Creek's completion.

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CEO Walter Scheller clarified that Blue Creek is projected to produce 1 million tons, with sales commencing in Q3 after the prep plant is online. He also noted that tons destined for China would likely be redirected within Asia, minimizing transportation cost impacts, and confirmed the labor contract mentioned refers to ongoing negotiations. CFO Dale Boyles attributed the lower cash cost guidance primarily to reduced transportation and royalty costs from lower met coal price assumptions. Regarding the cash balance, Boyles stated they are reassessing the minimum level, which will likely be higher in the future, with an update to come closer to Blue Creek's launch.

Nick Giles asked about the breakdown of the $57 per ton high CV committed and priced coal, specifically for the PAMC portion, current domestic netbacks for PAMC coal, and potential upside given recent positive market developments. He also inquired about the order book for outer years, including duration benefits and pricing upside, and the financial implications of insurance recoveries and 45X credits on shareholder returns and the drivers behind the year-on-year CapEx increase.

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Bob Braithwaite, Senior Vice President of Marketing and Sales, detailed that 20.5 million of the 23.5 million committed high CV tons are PAMC, with 12 million domestic and 8.5 million export, including 4 million linked to API2 at a $97 price point, indicating upside. He noted improvements in export markets, particularly India, and domestic spot opportunities. Paul Lang, Chief Operating Officer, added that increased coal consumption in 2025 consumed latent capacity, suggesting potential for upward price momentum. Regarding the outer years, Bob Braithwaite confirmed contracts extending to 2030 with contango pricing. Mitesh Thakkar, President and CFO, explained the CapEx increase is due to Leer South maintenance and investments in rare earth and critical minerals projects. He also outlined expected higher insurance proceeds in 2026 and the absence of $112 million in idling costs. Jimmy Brock, Chairman and CEO, reaffirmed the commitment to return 75% or more of free cash flow to shareholders, noting 2025's nearly 100% return.

Nick Giles inquired about the High CV thermal coal segment's committed and priced volumes at $57 per ton, seeking a breakdown of the PAMC portion, current domestic netbacks for PAMC coal, and potential upside given recent positive market developments. He also asked about the order book for outer years, specifically regarding duration benefits and pricing upside, and finally, the implications of financial moving pieces like insurance recoveries and 45X credits on shareholder returns, as well as the drivers behind the year-on-year increase in capital expenditures.

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Bob Braithwaite, Senior Vice President of Marketing and Sales, detailed that 20.5 million of the 23.5 million committed/contracted High CV tons are PAMC, with 12 million domestic and 8.5 million export, including 4 million linked to API2 at a $97 price point, noting upside as API2 is now over $100. He highlighted 5.5-6 million PAMC tons remaining to sell, with spot opportunities domestically and improving export demand in India. Paul Lang, Chief Operating Officer, added that increased coal consumption has absorbed latent capacity, suggesting potential for upward price momentum. Regarding the outer years, Mr. Braithwaite confirmed contracting over 38 million tons forward, some extending to 2030, with pricing generally in contango. Mitesh Thakkar, President and CFO, explained the CapEx increase is due to Leer South's full operation and $25 million allocated to rare earth and innovation projects. He provided a detailed breakdown of insurance proceeds from the Baltimore Bridge and Leer South, anticipating higher proceeds in 2026 and the absence of $112 million in idling costs. Jimmy Brock, Chairman and CEO, reaffirmed the commitment to return 75% or more of free cash flow to shareholders, noting nearly 100% was returned in 2025 despite challenges.

The analyst inquired about the normalized metallurgical cost outlook, the potential for an earlier-than-guided restart at the Leer South mine, and the company's plans for deploying excess cash for shareholder returns, including the target minimum cash balance.

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Executives stated that while the low $90s met cost is a comfortable target for H2 2025, they see potential for further improvement from synergies. On Leer South, they are maintaining the midyear guidance to be methodical and because the restart is a collaboration with regulators, but acknowledged that progress is ahead of schedule. Regarding cash, the company targets keeping net cash on hand, with cash beyond debt and working capital reserves available for deployment, and they plan to use the current equity weakness to put some of that excess cash to work via buybacks.

Nick Giles from B. Riley Securities asked about the normalized cost target for the metallurgical segment post-Leer South restart, the potential conservatism in the mine's recovery timeline, and the company's appetite for deploying excess cash toward shareholder returns.

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CEO Paul Lang and President & CFO Mitesh Thakkar stated that a low-$90s per ton cost for the met segment in H2 2025 is a comfortable target, with potential for further improvement from synergies. Regarding Leer South, Lang and Executive Deck Slone confirmed the midyear restart guidance is appropriate, citing the need for a methodical, collaborative approach with regulators despite excellent progress. Thakkar added that the company will deploy excess cash beyond debt and working capital needs toward shareholder returns, taking advantage of the current equity valuation.

Nick Giles from B. Riley Securities asked about the metallurgical segment's cost target for the second half of the year and its potential as a normalized level, the possibility of conservatism in the midyear guidance for resuming longwall mining at Leer South, and the potential magnitude of excess cash available for shareholder returns.

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CEO Paul Lang, CFO Mitesh Thakkar, and executive Deck Slone confirmed that the low $90s per ton cost target for the met segment in H2 is a comfortable starting point, with potential for further improvement from synergies and best-practice sharing. Regarding Leer South, Lang and Slone stated that while progress is ahead of the initial schedule, the midyear guidance remains appropriate due to the collaborative nature of the restart with regulators. Thakkar addressed capital returns, explaining the company targets a net cash position and will deploy excess cash beyond debt and working capital needs toward shareholder returns, taking advantage of the current equity valuation.

Nick Giles asked about the main discussion points in colocation deal negotiations, including price, duration, timing, and design work, and inquired about financing aspects such as debt, cost of capital, and credit enhancements for these projects.

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Haris Basit, Chief Strategy Officer, stated that discussions are sensitive and active, covering all mentioned aspects, and expressed confidence in securing colocation deals soon, though exact timing is difficult to predict. He added that the cost of capital would be determined by counterparties and deal terms, and credit enhancements are a crucial part of the deal-making process, with approaches similar to those already seen in the market.

Nick Giles inquired about the specifics of colocation deal discussions, including price, duration, timing, and design work, as well as the expected financing structure, cost of capital, and credit enhancements for these projects.

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Haris Basit, Chief Strategy Officer of Bitdeer Technologies Group, explained that discussions are sensitive and active, varying by counterparty, but expressed confidence in securing deals soon. He noted that the cost of capital would be determined by deal terms and counterparties, and they are exploring various common credit enhancement approaches.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities, Inc., on for Lucas Pipes, asked if the TLM assessment extends to international sites, whether the company is pursuing new site acquisitions, and how the initial 18 exahash of SEALMINER A2 production will be allocated between self-mining and sales.

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Head of Capital Markets Jeff LaBerge clarified that a local firm will assess the Norway sites, which are viewed as very attractive for HPC. Executive Jihan Wu explained that the priority for the 18 exahash is self-mining, but a portion will be sold to build long-term customer relationships, noting about one-third of the capacity has already been reserved by customers.

Nick Giles from B. Riley Securities asked about IREN's human capital requirements for bringing data center capacity online, specifically if they are seeing any constraints in skilled workers, and what advantages IREN may have from its existing EPC partners.

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Kent Draper, CCO, explained that IREN's continuous building for three years has established a large labor pool and strong relationships with construction contractors, equipment procurement, and supply chains, allowing them to manage constraints effectively. Daniel Roberts, Co-founder and Co-CEO, added that seven years of building a data center and technology platform has allowed IREN to accumulate significant human capital and place the right people in the right roles, despite increased scarcity today.

Nick Giles inquired about the human capital requirements for bringing data center capacity online, asking if IREN is experiencing constraints in skilled workers and what advantages it gains from having EPC partners in place.

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Kent Draper, Chief Commercial Officer, and Daniel Roberts, Co-founder and Co-CEO, explained that IREN's seven years of continuous building have established a large labor pool, strong relationships with construction contractors and equipment suppliers, and internal expertise, which mitigates skilled labor and supply chain constraints, enabling consistent delivery against targets.

Nick Giles asked about the strategic commercial value and overall return profile of the Microsoft deal, including hurdle rates for future transactions. He also inquired about the number of GPUs for the Microsoft contract and the future-proofing of the Horizon platform for next-generation chips.

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Daniel Roberts (Co-Founder and Co-CEO, IREN) emphasized the strategic validation of IREN's proprietary data center design by a hyperscaler. Anthony Lewis (CFO, IREN) detailed the unlevered ARR of low double digits and levered ARR of 25%-30% for the Microsoft deal, assuming zero GPU residual value, with potential upside. Kent Draper (Chief Commercial Officer, IREN) confirmed four Horizon phases would accommodate 19,000 GB300s each and that data centers are future-proofed for up to 200 kW per rack.

Nick Giles, a Senior Research Analyst at B Riley Securities, inquired about the strategic commercial value of IREN's AI cloud contract with Microsoft, the overall return profile, and hurdle rates for future deals. He also asked about the total number of GPUs for the Microsoft deal and the future-proofing of the Horizon data center platform.

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Co-Founder and Co-CEO Daniel Roberts highlighted the strategic value of the Microsoft contract as validation of IREN's proprietary data center design and ability to serve hyperscalers. CFO Anthony Lewis detailed the deal's financial returns, including an unlevered IRR of low double digits and a levered IRR of 25-30%, potentially reaching 35-50% with residual value and higher leverage. Chief Commercial Officer Kent Draper specified that 76,000 GB300 GPUs would be deployed for Microsoft and explained the Horizon platform's future-proofing, including rack densities up to 200 kilowatts and Tier 3 equivalent standards.

Nick Giles asked for clarity on the utilization of Horizon 1, specifically when the decision between self-filling with GPUs versus securing a colocation deal would be made, and if a hybrid model is possible. He also inquired about the potential revenue opportunity from expanding beyond bare metal to offer software solutions.

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Chief Commercial Officer Kent Draper confirmed that the cloud and colocation models are not mutually exclusive and that a combination of both could be deployed within Horizon 1 to maximize risk-adjusted returns. Regarding software, he explained that while most large customers currently prefer bare metal, adding a software layer could attract smaller enterprise customers in the future. Co-CEO Daniel Roberts added that the revenue opportunity from software is currently small, as sophisticated users prefer their own stacks.

Nick Giles from E&P Capital inquired about IREN's strategy for expanding its AI Cloud services at the Prince George facility and the potential role and timing of joint ventures in financing large-scale projects like Horizon 1 and Sweetwater.

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Daniel Roberts, Co-Founder and Co-CEO, explained that scaling the AI Cloud is contingent on matching capital sources with customer contracts, with a preference for debt or GPU financing over equity to manage risk. Regarding JVs, Roberts stated they are a viable option for major developments like Sweetwater to leverage partners with a lower cost of capital, though IREN would prioritize maintaining strategic control and securing customer contracts first.

Nick Giles asked about the outlook for domestic thermal coal pricing in the PRB for 2027 and beyond, potential demand for incremental tons, and the primary drivers behind the projected increase in seaborne thermal costs for 2026.

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Malcolm Roberts, EVP and Chief Commercial Officer, explained that PRB pricing is layered in 3-4 years in advance, with significant contracting still to be done for 2027, suggesting exposure to a favorable pricing environment. He also confirmed incremental demand for tons, prioritizing value over volume. Mark Spurbeck, Chief Financial Officer, attributed the seaborne thermal cost increase primarily to lower production volumes at Wilpinjong and Wambo Open Cut, alongside the assumption of a higher Australian dollar exchange rate.

Nick Giles from B. Riley Securities asked about the future pricing outlook for Peabody's domestic thermal (PRB) segment in 2027 and beyond, questioning if prices could revert to the upside or if existing contracts limit potential torque. He also probed into the demand for incremental domestic thermal tons and the drivers behind the significant year-on-year increase in seaborne thermal costs for 2026.

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Malcolm Roberts, Peabody's Chief Commercial Officer, explained that PRB volumes are contracted several years in advance, with substantial contracting still open for 2027, which should expose it to a favorable pricing environment. He confirmed incremental demand for domestic thermal tons due to lower inventories and cold snaps, emphasizing Peabody's focus on value over volume. Mark Spurbeck, Chief Financial Officer, attributed the higher seaborne thermal costs primarily to lower production volumes at Wilpinjong and Wambo Open Cut, along with the assumption of a higher AUD/USD exchange rate ($0.70 vs. $0.66 in 2025), which adds $3-$4 per ton.

In a follow-up, Nick Giles from B. Riley Securities asked about Peabody's liquidity, specifically how much of its cash was unencumbered and the remaining capital spend for the Centurion mine. He also inquired about the timeline for potentially unlocking the company's restricted cash.

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EVP & CFO Mark Spurbeck clarified that the entire $586 million cash balance is unrestricted and fully available. He stated that about $100 million in capital spend remains for Centurion in the second half of the year. He explained the restricted cash is primarily for pre-funded reclamation and that they are actively working to reduce this balance through ongoing reclamation work and bond releases.

In a follow-up, Nick Giles from B. Riley Securities asked about Peabody's liquidity, specifically how much of its cash was unencumbered, the remaining capital spend for the Centurion mine, and if there were timelines for unlocking restricted cash.

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EVP & CFO Mark Spurbeck clarified that the entire $586 million of cash and cash equivalents is unrestricted and fully available. He stated that approximately $100 million in capital spend remains for the Centurion South development in the second half of the year. Regarding restricted cash, he noted that about $520 million relates to reclamation surety and that the company is actively working to reduce this amount by completing reclamation work and securing bond releases.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities asked for clarity on the upcoming August 19th update regarding the Anglo deal and what incremental factors have solidified Peabody's MAC position. He also questioned the drivers behind the seaborne thermal cost guidance, which implies higher costs in the second half of the year.

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President and CEO Jim Grech stated that the 90-day MAC cure period expires on August 19, giving Peabody the right to terminate, but declined to speculate further. EVP & CFO Mark Spurbeck addressed the cost guidance, attributing the full-year improvement to strong cost management in H1, which more than offsets the recovery of 400,000 tons missed in Q2 due to port congestion.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities requested more detail on the upcoming August 19th update on the Moranbah North MAC dispute and the factors influencing Peabody's position. He also questioned the seaborne thermal cost guidance, which implies higher second-half costs. In a follow-up, he asked about the company's unencumbered cash, remaining Centurion capex, and timelines for unlocking restricted cash.

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President and CEO Jim Grech reiterated the key factors supporting the MAC claim, including the unknown cause of the ignition and future production de-rates. EVP & CFO Mark Spurbeck addressed costs, stating the guidance was lowered due to strong performance despite port congestion. Spurbeck also confirmed the $586 million cash balance is fully unrestricted, with about $100 million in capex remaining for Centurion in H2 2025, and noted restricted cash can be reduced via reclamation work.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities asked about the process following the Material Adverse Change (MAC) notification for the Moranbah North acquisition, what a resolution would entail, and the status of financing. He later followed up on the new Associated Electric Cooperative agreement, its impact on PRB capital strategy and margins, and the capital spending for the Centurion mine.

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President and CEO Jim Grech detailed the MAC process, emphasizing the need for "sustainable longwall production" for any resolution. CFO Mark Spurbeck confirmed deal financing is on hold. Regarding the PRB, Grech stated the new contract doesn't alter their long-term capital strategy and expressed confidence in future margins due to Peabody's low-cost position. Spurbeck provided an update on Centurion, noting $47 million was spent in Q1 with $150 million remaining for development.

Nick Giles inquired about the status of the preemption rights process for the Anglo American asset acquisition, the company's preference for potential stake sales between the Anglo assets and the Centurion mine, and the key drivers for the 2025 metallurgical coal volume and cost guidance. He also asked about Shoal Creek's recent performance, price realizations, and its long-term strategic fit in the portfolio.

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President and CEO Jim Grech confirmed the preemption process is progressing well with a mid-March deadline and that the company is open to minority stake sales in either the Anglo assets or Centurion at fair value. CFO Mark Spurbeck detailed that the 2025 met coal volume increase is driven by Shoal Creek and Centurion, while costs are consistent with 2024 but impacted by higher waste movement at Coppabella. CMO Malcolm Roberts added that Shoal Creek's Asian price realizations are currently in the $120 to $130 per ton range.

Nick Giles asked about the confidence in Alcoa's 2026 aluminum production and shipment guidance, especially after 2025 fell below initial expectations, and inquired about potential upward revisions. He also asked about Alcoa's interest in domestic alumina supply following Atlantic Alumina's investment and an update on the Western Australia gallium project.

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William Oplinger, Alcoa Corporation President and Chief Executive Officer, expressed confidence in the 2026 guidance, citing progress on San Ciprián and São Luís restarts and strong 2025 production records. Regarding domestic alumina, he stated Alcoa would consider U.S.-based supply if it reduces transportation costs. He confirmed progress on the WA gallium project, working with governments to build a strong plant at Wagerup.

Nick Giles asked about Alcoa's confidence in achieving its 2026 aluminum production and shipment guidance, especially after 2025 volumes came in below initial expectations. He also inquired about Alcoa's interest in domestic alumina supply following Atlantic Alumina's investment and an update on the Western Australia gallium project.

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William Oplinger, President and CEO, expressed confidence in the 2026 guidance, citing ongoing restarts at San Ciprián and São Luís, and strong 2025 production records. Regarding alumina, he stated Alcoa would consider U.S.-based supply if it reduces transportation costs. He confirmed progress on the WA gallium project, noting ongoing collaboration with three governments.

Nick Giles followed up by asking for updates on potential EU safeguards for aluminum, similar to those for steel, and the progress of related discussions.

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William Oplinger, CEO, stated there were no updates on EU aluminum safeguards. He highlighted the Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism (CBAM) as the next significant regulation, expected in 2026. While CBAM still has loopholes (scrap, end products), he anticipates it will raise the European premium by $40-50 per ton in 2026, offering a slight positive for Alcoa, though carbon costs will also increase.

Nick Giles asked what the U.S. administration needs to see to reach an agreement with Canada on aluminum tariffs and sought an update on underperforming assets and potential for further operational improvements across Alcoa's global facilities.

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William Oplinger, CEO, declined to speculate on administration requirements but stated Alcoa is providing market flow data to both governments. He expressed satisfaction with global operations, highlighting production records and stability in Western Australia, Spain, Quebec, Norway, and Brazil. He identified opportunities for cost reduction in Brazil and improved customer service from Cast Houses in Massena and Mosjoen.

Nick Giles asked about the conditions that would lead to Chinese alumina curtailments, the viability of selling bauxite instead of producing alumina, and the expected timing for lower input costs to benefit the company's financials.

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President and CEO William Oplinger stated that Chinese producers react quickly to poor economics and are already extending maintenance, but it would not be economic for Alcoa to curtail refining to sell bauxite. EVP and CFO Molly Beerman noted that while there is some cost pressure from caustic and coke, the company expects to offset these increases with productivity initiatives in Q2.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities asked about the nature of conversations with hyperscalers regarding legacy power assets and requested an update on the company's productivity and competitiveness program.

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President and CEO William Oplinger confirmed Alcoa is in "constant contact" with developers for its legacy sites but emphasized the process is lengthy. EVP and CFO Molly Beerman stated that the company expects to achieve its $100 million run-rate savings target from the productivity program by the end of Q1 2025, noting these initiatives are now fully integrated into the 2025 operating plan for better accountability.

Nick Giles asked for details on the opportunity presented by the limited notice to proceed agreement with Babcock & Wilcox, including the optionality it provides and what to expect in upcoming contract releases.

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Wes Cummins, Chairman and CEO, explained that the Babcock & Wilcox solution, utilizing proven steam turbine technology with natural gas, allows Applied Digital to bring power generation to market significantly earlier than traditional natural gas turbines. He noted strong positive reactions from utility partners and anticipates more information on site and build schedules in the first quarter of 2026, emphasizing its role in faster campus expansion.

Nick Giles inquired about the status of project financing, specifically asking about the largest remaining factors and whether the financing would cover the initial $150 million or the full $400 million for Polaris Forge 1. He also asked for an update on Polaris Forge 2's power infrastructure, including substations and power offtake agreements.

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Saidal Mohmand, CFO, clarified that the project financing is expected to entail both buildings for Polaris Forge 1, covering the full $400 million, and is in the final stages of credit agreement documentation. Wes Cummins, Chairman and CEO, stated that Polaris Forge 2 has an initial 280 megawatts of utility power, with necessary infrastructure being built to meet the 2026-2027 timeline.

Nick Giles asked about the status and expected terms of the project financing for Polaris Forge 1, including whether it would cover the full 400 MW, and also inquired about the current power infrastructure and offtake agreements for Polaris Forge 2.

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CFO Saidal Mohmand clarified that the project financing is expected to cover both buildings of Polaris Forge 1, aiming for completion within the fiscal quarter with an anticipated 70% loan-to-cost (LTC) and a spread of 400-450 basis points over SOFR. CEO Wes Cummins confirmed that Polaris Forge 2 has an initial 280 MW utility power, with necessary infrastructure being built to meet the 2026-2027 timeline.

Nick Giles inquired about the development cadence for 2026, specifically asking if a second campus could break ground, and sought details on the gating items for the Polaris Forge One project financing.

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CEO Wes Cummins confirmed that Applied Digital expects to break ground on one or potentially two additional campuses before the end of the current year. Regarding the financing timeline, Cummins cited the general industry slowdown in August as a potential factor, while CFO Saidal Mohmand added that dependencies on professional service providers could also affect the timing, though their partners are incentivized to work quickly.

Nick Giles inquired about the strategic review of the cloud services business, including the capacity split between on-demand and contracted models, and asked about the long-term strategic fit of the Bitcoin hosting business within a potential REIT structure.

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Executive Wesley Cummins clarified that two of six cloud clusters moved to an on-demand model, with technical issues now resolved. He also stated that the Bitcoin hosting business is seen as complementary to HPC data centers, utilizing excess power, and is expected to fit within a future REIT structure, viewing the two as effectively one business.

Nick Giles inquired about the status of due diligence with other potential hyperscalers for the Ellendale campus, whether the company would re-enter an exclusivity agreement, and the timeline and terms of the Macquarie investment.

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Executive Wesley Cummins explained that since the initial diligence process was completed, subsequent discussions with other potential customers are progressing much more quickly. Regarding the Macquarie deal, he stated it was the result of a full, seven-month process that yielded the best possible terms and partner for the company.

Nick Giles requested a breakdown of CleanSpark's multi-gigawatt pipeline, specifically asking how many opportunities are late-stage or soon to drop down, and which existing power markets hold the most opportunities.

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Chief Business Officer Harry Sudock explained that CleanSpark does not always provide direct pipeline granularity due to dynamic opportunities, citing the Texas 285-megawatt acquisition as an example of a project that quickly advanced. He emphasized CleanSpark's dynamic flexibility and speed in execution, driven by deep relationships across utility and infrastructure partners. Mr. Sudock indicated that expansion opportunities are concentrated in regions where CleanSpark has established relationships, such as Georgia, Tennessee, Wyoming, and Texas, and that the business is capitalized to continuously 'hunt power and land.'

Nick Giles asked for a breakdown of CleanSpark's multi-gigawatt pipeline, specifically how many opportunities are late-stage, how soon they could materialize, and which existing power markets hold the most potential.

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Harry Sudock, Chief Business Officer of CleanSpark, explained that the company does not provide direct pipeline granularity due to dynamic opportunities, citing the unexpected Texas 285 MW site acquisition as an example. He emphasized CleanSpark's warm and deep relationships across utilities and infrastructure, which enable dynamic flexibility and speed in securing assets. Sudock noted that expansion opportunities are primarily concentrated in existing markets such as Georgia, Tennessee, Wyoming, and Texas, often leveraging relationships with utilities that serve multiple states.

Nick Giles from B. Riley Securities asked about the expected timeline to reach targeted run rates for the new digital asset management strategy and inquired about the current state of relationships with utility partners, including lead times and competition from HPC sites.

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CFO Gary Vecchiarelli stated that the digital asset management strategy will ramp up over the next year as they onboard more counterparties and strategies. President and CEO Zachary Bradford added that CleanSpark's flexible load model is an asset to utilities, differentiating them from HPC data centers and creating abundant opportunities with manageable lead times.

Nick Giles asked Jonathan Mur about Bitfarms' strategy regarding its Bitcoin treasury, specifically whether holdings would be liquidated in conjunction with the wind-down of mining operations.

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Jonathan Mur (CFO, Bitfarms) clarified that Bitfarms is not a Bitcoin treasury company. He explained that the Bitcoin 2.1 program aims to offset production costs and maximize value per Bitcoin sold through low-risk strategies like selling covered calls, serving as a funding mechanism for HPC AI infrastructure investments. The Bitcoin treasury is expected to wind down as it's allocated to CapEx.

Nick Giles asked about future-proofing infrastructure against increasing rack density (Vera Rubin vs. Blackwell) and potential contract structures, as well as the company's focus on M&A opportunities and the Bitcoin treasury strategy.

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Ben Gagnon (CEO) discussed future-proofing by building for upcoming technology (Vera Rubin's 370 kW/rack density, potential 800-volt DC) and locking in multi-year agreements. He stated management's focus is on execution of the existing portfolio, not M&A. Jonathan Mir (CFO) clarified that Bitfarms is not a Bitcoin treasury company; the Bitcoin 2.1 program aims to offset production costs and fund HPC/AI initiatives, with the treasury winding down into CapEx.

Nick Giles asked about HPC customer preferences between hyperscalers and others, and whether Bitfarms might make opportunistic miner purchases if prices fall, despite plans to limit CapEx.

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CEO Ben Gagnon noted that while non-hyperscalers might offer higher margins, the superior credit and lower financing costs of hyperscalers likely provide better overall shareholder value. On miner purchases, he reiterated a focus on ROI, stating that while they could be opportunistic, they see no financial pressure to upgrade their current competitive fleet and prefer to allocate capital to infrastructure.

Nick Giles asked about the progress of project financing discussions, any changes in terms since the last update, and whether Hut 8's thinking around financing structure has evolved given recent deals in the space.

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CFO Sean Glennan confirmed the project financing market remains 'extremely healthy' with abundant capital, though bifurcated by off-taker creditworthiness. He stated Hut 8 will evaluate all structures, particularly non-recourse project financing, to create shareholder value and mitigate enterprise risk, expressing confidence in financing future projects.

Nick Giles asked for an update on project financing discussions, any changes in terms since the last update, and whether Hut 8's thinking around structure has changed given other deals in the space.

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CFO Sean Glennan stated that the project financing market remains extremely healthy, with significant capital available for data center growth, citing recent large deals. He noted that the market is bifurcated between investment-grade and non-investment-grade off-takers, which affects loan-to-capital and credit spreads, but this hasn't changed. Glennan emphasized evaluating all structures that create shareholder value and mitigate enterprise risk, particularly non-recourse project financing, which insulates the parent company from subsidiary debt issues.

Nick Giles from B. Riley Securities questioned the development strategy for the Riverbend site, asking how much capital would be deployed without a definitive tenant agreement.

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CEO Asher Genoot confirmed that capital has already been deployed at Riverbend for essential infrastructure like the switchyard and civil work. He explained their strategy includes both developing sites in partnership with specific customers and speculatively building in strategic locations, leveraging innovative and upgradable designs like the one at their Vega site.

Nick Giles of B.Riley Securities asked about the strategy for developing assets like Riverbend without definitive agreements and the importance of marketing sites already under development.

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CEO Asher Genoot confirmed that capital has already been deployed at Riverbend for foundational work. He explained that for certain sites, they are comfortable investing in engineering during customer negotiations. He also highlighted the innovative Vega design, which allows for rapid upgrades and provides flexibility to invest in a base case with future upside.

Nick Giles asked about Cleveland-Cliffs' potential entry into rare earth element production, inquiring about the timeline for product development, the strategy for vertical integration, and the possibility of seeking partners in this new vertical.

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Chairman, President, and CEO Lourenco Goncalves explained that Cleveland-Cliffs has identified two promising sites for rare earth mineralization and is assessing commercial viability. He highlighted the company's existing mining expertise and the potential for cooperation with Canada, noting the U.S. government's increasing recognition of domestic rare earth importance.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities inquired about the expected cadence of cost reductions following the Q2 beat, working capital considerations, and future Capital Expenditure (CapEx) expectations for 2027, including a potential blast furnace reline and plans for the Middletown facility.

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EVP & CFO Celso Goncalves projected a further cost reduction of approximately $20 per ton in Q3, with more to follow in Q4, maintaining the full-year target of a $50 per ton decrease from 2024. Chairman, President & CEO Lourenco Goncalves clarified that the next reline is not until 2027 and that the original Middletown hydrogen project was withdrawn due to lack of hydrogen availability, with plans now focused on enhancing the existing blast furnace with the DOE's collaboration.

Nick Giles from B. Riley Securities inquired about the timeline for realizing the announced $300 million in cost savings and the cadence of cost improvements versus average selling prices (ASPs) into the second quarter.

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CFO Celso Goncalves explained that the full run-rate of the $300 million in savings will materialize in the second half of 2025 due to the 60-day WARN notice period. For Q2, he guided for costs to be up slightly (~$5/ton) before seeing significant improvement, while ASPs are expected to increase by approximately $40/ton.

Nick Giles followed up to clarify the customer strategy for Montreal 2, asking who would ultimately fill that capacity if White Fiber's GPUs are deployed elsewhere or if incremental contracts are put on hold.

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Sam Tabar, CEO of WhiteFiber, explained that Montreal 2 was initially envisioned for White Fiber's own GPU deployments. However, discussions with a specific customer for this use case did not align with White Fiber's underwriting criteria, particularly regarding contract duration, prepayments, and overall financeability. Consequently, White Fiber decided to open Montreal 2 for colocation opportunities rather than holding the space. While the site could have been operational months ago, it was not prioritized without the right contractual foundation. White Fiber is now in discussions with colocation customers and remains open to housing a cloud customer, targeting the first half of 2026 for the site to come online, with an option to accelerate based on demand.

Nick Giles asked for an update on NC1 customer inquiries, including any cutoff deadlines, and what factors (scale, price, timing) are driving current negotiations. He also inquired about discussions for customers taking the full 99MW capacity and utility requirements.

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Sam Tabar, CEO, and Billy Krassakopoulos, President of Data Centers, confirmed they are no longer taking new inquiries and are in a 'horse race' between three high-credit-quality parties, optimizing for the best counterparty. Billy noted that changes in technology, design, and creditworthiness are influencing discussions. He also confirmed one party requested the full 40MW and another the full 99MW, with utility provider discussions impacting timelines.

Nick Giles from B. Riley Securities followed up on NC1, asking about the deadline for new inquiries, the key drivers of current deal conversations (scale, price, timing), and the potential for a single customer to take the full 99 MW, including utility requirements.

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WhiteFiber CEO Sam Tabar and President Billy Krassakopoulos confirmed they are no longer taking new inquiries for NC1, actively engaged with a few high-credit-quality parties, optimizing for the best partner. They noted that deal drivers include technology changes, scale (with interest for the full 99 MW), and timing for Q1 2026 delivery, with utility discussions ongoing for larger capacities.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities asked about other ways Bit Digital can support the Ethereum ecosystem beyond ETH purchases and how it plans to market its platform amidst competition. He also inquired about the future direction of the regulatory framework.

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CEO Samir Tabar stated that with the White Fiber IPO quiet period over, the company plans a 'reboot' of its marketing efforts to capture mindshare as a pioneering ETH treasury platform. On regulation, Tabar expressed a bullish outlook, citing a more crypto-friendly SEC and legislative progress like the Genius and Clarity Acts. He positioned Ethereum as a technologically superior asset to Bitcoin, capable of rewriting the financial system, which underpins their treasury strategy.

Nick Giles from B. Riley Securities questioned the company's strategy for U.S. expansion versus Canada following the North Carolina agreement and requested details on the potential timeline, capacity ramp, and CapEx for the new site.

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CEO Samir Tabar stated that it was too early to provide specific details on the North Carolina site as the purchase agreement is not yet closed. He elaborated on the broader strategy, which includes evaluating over 500 megawatts of potential capacity across both Canada and the U.S., with a focus on retrofitting existing sites to reduce costs and timelines, leveraging the expertise of their acquired data center team.

On behalf of Nick Giles, Sandra Soriano asked about the company's future hedging strategy, given the recent volatility from derivatives, and questioned the outlook for working capital through the remainder of 2025.

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CEO Dan Dixon explained that the company's preference is not to hedge precious metals to provide shareholders with full price exposure. He noted that existing hedges are tied to a lending facility and will be wound down as debt is repaid with cash flow from Terronera. Dixon also stated that the negative working capital was by design and is expected to improve significantly in the second half of the year as Terronera begins generating positive cash flow.

Nick Giles of BMO Capital Markets inquired about the specific milestones needed for Endeavour Silver to provide formal cost guidance for the Terronera project, the immediate priorities for the plant's ramp-up, and the estimated capital intensity for expanding the newly acquired Kolpa mine.

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CEO Dan Dickson stated that formal guidance for Terronera hinges on achieving consistent throughput, with a planned 90-day ramp-up. COO Don Gray added that the team is focused on a system-by-system commissioning process. Regarding Kolpa, Dan Dickson provided an early estimate of $12 million to $16 million for the throughput expansion.

Nick Giles of B.Riley Securities inquired about Hallador's strategy for long-term power purchase agreements (PPAs), including the potential for multiple agreements and the end markets of new counterparties. He also asked about the decision-making process for co-firing with natural gas, liquidity management strategies, the company's appetite for re-entering exclusivity agreements, the expected timeline for a definitive PPA, details on the amended credit agreement, and future capital expenditure plans.

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President, CEO & Chairman, Brent Bilsland explained that while still in discussions with their original data center counterparty, Hallador is seeing aggressive interest from utilities and is evaluating multiple offers to maximize shareholder value, likely resulting in one or two large deals rather than several small ones. He noted the company has little appetite for exclusivity in the current seller's market. CFO Todd Telesz addressed liquidity, mentioning the potential for further prepaid energy sales and refinancing the existing capital structure. He also clarified that the amended credit agreement deferred certain payments and covenants to enhance flexibility and that 2025 CapEx is expected to be lighter than initially forecasted due to delays in ELG-related spending.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities inquired about Hallador's strategy for long-term power purchase agreements (PPAs), including counterparty diversification, end markets, and the potential for co-firing with natural gas. He also asked new CFO Todd Telesz about liquidity management, the amended credit agreement, and the CapEx outlook.

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President & CEO Brent Bilsland stated the company is evaluating multiple PPA offers from utilities and data center developers, with no current appetite for exclusivity. He noted that the decision to co-fire with gas is customer-dependent. CFO Todd Telesz discussed liquidity strategies, including potential refinancing in 2026, explained that the credit agreement deferred payments and covenants, and projected lighter CapEx for the remainder of 2025.

Nick Giles of B.Riley Securities inquired about Hallador's strategy for long-term power purchase agreements (PPAs), including customer concentration and end markets. He also asked about the funding and dependency of a potential natural gas co-firing project on a PPA, liquidity management, the company's appetite for new exclusivity agreements, the timeline for a definitive PPA, details on the amended credit agreement, and future capital expenditure plans.

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President and CEO Brent Bilsland explained that the company is engaging with a broader group of potential partners, including more aggressive utilities, and is not seeking exclusivity at this time. He stated that a major PPA would be announced as a special event. CFO Todd Telesz addressed liquidity, mentioning potential prepays and refinancing efforts. Telesz also clarified that the credit agreement amendment postponed certain payments and defeased the term loan, and that full-year CapEx is expected to be lighter than initially planned.

Nick Giles asked about Hallador's strategy for long-term Power Purchase Agreements (PPAs), including its openness to multiple agreements, the potential end markets of new counterparties, the conditionality of co-firing the Merom plant with natural gas, and the company's liquidity management and capital expenditure plans.

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President and CEO Brent Bilsland explained that while still in talks with their original data center partner, they are seeing more aggressive interest from utilities and are evaluating multiple offers to maximize value, likely resulting in one or two large deals. He noted the decision to co-fire with gas is dependent on the final PPA customer's needs. CFO Todd Talez addressed liquidity, stating they may use more prepaid forward sales but are also focused on refinancing their capital structure in 2026. Talez also confirmed that 2025 CapEx is expected to be lighter than initially planned.

Nick Giles of Unknown asked about the ongoing data center negotiations, specifically the decision-making process around extending the exclusivity period given other unsolicited offers. He also inquired about the final steps needed to reach a definitive agreement, the potential timeline and capital intensity for co-firing the Merom plant with natural gas, and the contractual structure of a potential long-term deal with a hyperscaler.

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Brent Bilsland, an executive, explained that Hallador is evaluating whether to grant an exclusivity extension or negotiate on a non-exclusive basis to entertain other inbound interest. He clarified that most major points of the initial deal are negotiated and the final steps involve aligning details among all counterparties. Regarding natural gas co-firing, Bilsland stated they are in the early evaluation phase to determine costs and timing, viewing the project as highly feasible. He also confirmed that the long-term deal structure has been negotiated on a unit contingent basis for a term exceeding a decade.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities inquired about the regulatory process for the data center deal, the capital required for co-firing natural gas at Merom, and the strategy for acquiring additional generation assets. He also asked for a breakdown of the 2025 CapEx guidance, the role of capacity payments, and an update on coal operations optimization and fuel costs.

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CEO Brent Bilsland stated that while he couldn't comment on specific regulatory filings, the company is encouraged by multiple power access requests in the state. He confirmed a study is underway for co-firing gas at Merom but wasn't ready to share cost details. On acquisitions, he noted the team is actively looking at both coal and gas assets in various markets. CFO Marjorie Hargrave broke down the $66M 2025 CapEx guidance, with about 20% ($14.8M) for ELG rules, and confirmed capacity payments are expected to cover the plant's ~$60M in fixed costs. Brent Bilsland added that coal cash costs improved to the low $40s in Q4.

Nick Giles asked for a breakdown of the drivers behind the significant Q2 cost improvements, the sustainability of these lower costs into 2026, Alpha's strategy for upcoming domestic contract negotiations, and the reason for the Q2 volume shift between Australian-indexed and other-priced tons.

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CEO Andy Eidson attributed the cost savings to a combination of higher productivity and internal initiatives to reduce spending, noting some of it was mean reversion from a difficult Q1. President & COO Jason Whitehead clarified the savings were roughly 50/50 between productivity and direct spending cuts. Regarding 2026, Eidson was hopeful but declined to give specific guidance. EVP & CCO Daniel Horn stated that for domestic contracts, they are negotiating for a 12-month term and require pricing that sustains the business, not just a reflection of the current spot market. Horn also explained that quarterly volume shifts to different regions are normal and driven by customer vessel schedules.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities asked about the cadence of costs following recent cuts, whether the reduced CapEx guidance would impact growth projects like Kingston Wildcat, and the outlook for price realizations. He also followed up on the domestic contracting strategy for later in the year, the potential for more competitor production to come offline, and whether the prolonged market weakness has altered Alpha's strategy regarding its cash balance.

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CEO Andy Eidson stated that cost-cutting measures have offset lower fixed cost absorption and that the Kingston Wildcat project remains on track. President and COO Jason Whitehead confirmed CapEx savings came from redeploying assets and in-sourcing work, not from delaying growth. Chief Commercial Officer Dan Horn noted that realizations are tied to weak steel demand and that it's too early to define a domestic contracting strategy, though current domestic prices are favorable. Regarding the balance sheet, Eidson affirmed that their cautious approach to preserving liquidity continues to be the right strategy in the current market.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Financial, Inc. asked about the target cash level in a weak market, its relation to share repurchases, potential M&A opportunities, the current marginal cost of production in Central Appalachia, and details on transportation cost structures.

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CEO Charles Eidson confirmed the company is in 'cash preservation mode,' targeting a $400-$500 million cash balance and has suspended share repurchases until market conditions improve. On M&A, he stated that while nothing is actionable, they evaluate opportunities based on geographic, quality, and financial accretion criteria. He believes some producers are no longer covering variable costs and expects more high-cost supply to exit the market. He declined to comment on specific rail cost structures, noting only that they are somewhat aligned with indexes.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities asked for details on the economic incentives for the Mt. Holly restart, an update on the Hawesville strategic review, milestones for the new smelter project, progress at the Grundartangi casthouse, the European premium outlook, and the 2026 CapEx forecast for Jamalco.

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President & CEO Jesse Gary explained that the Mt. Holly incentives are not public but are crucial. He noted the Hawesville review is in final negotiations with a decision expected by end of Q3. For the new smelter, the next milestone is site selection tied to an energy deal. On operations, he confirmed the Grundartangi casthouse ramp-up is progressing well. EVP & CFO Peter Trpkovski provided the 2026 CapEx forecast for Jamalco, estimating $10-15M for sustaining and $10-15M for investment capital.

Nick Giles from B. Riley Securities asked for an update on the 'basis of design' for Riot's data center project, seeking clarity on which aspects like cooling and layout are defined. He also questioned if RFPs have been sent to contractors and how the tariff landscape might affect development timing.

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CEO Jason Les stated that the basis of design is a key milestone being driven by the new data center team and is expected to be completed by the end of Q3 2025. He noted that critical long-lead time items like the substation have already been procured and are arriving, and he does not believe equipment lead times will impede their ability to secure a lease.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities inquired about Riot's involvement with the large flexible load task force in Texas, the strategic shift from flexible to redundant power loads for data centers, and the potential economics and CapEx targets for these new projects.

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CEO Jason Les clarified that while Riot is not behind the task force's inception, they are deeply involved in public policy and understand grid operator requirements. He stated it's too early to define specific economic targets for data center deals, as the focus is on maximizing shareholder value by advancing development on the substation, fiber, land, and water to make the offering as attractive as possible.

Nick Giles from B. Riley Securities asked about capital allocation priorities following significant debt reduction, specifically if share repurchases would increase. He also sought insights on customer sentiment and project timelines in light of recent copper tariff announcements.

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President & CEO Thomas Ferguson affirmed the company's commitment to its share buyback program, bolt-on M&A, and productivity-enhancing CapEx, noting the company is approaching its low-end leverage target of 1.5x. Regarding copper tariffs, he stated it was too recent for specific feedback but highlighted overall positive project drivers like reshoring and streamlined permitting.

Nick Giles from B. Riley Securities asked about AZZ's capital allocation priorities, particularly the potential for increased share repurchases following significant debt reduction. He also sought color on customer sentiment and project timelines in light of recent copper tariff announcements.

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President & CEO Tom Ferguson affirmed the company's commitment to its share buyback program, noting about half of the $100 million authorization remains. He also highlighted the recent dividend increase and a full pipeline of bolt-on M&A opportunities. On copper tariffs, Ferguson stated it was too recent for specific feedback but emphasized that underlying demand drivers like reshoring and data center growth remain strong.

Nick Giles from B. Riley Securities asked about capital allocation, specifically if the significant debt reduction to below 2.0x leverage could lead to an increase in share repurchases. He also inquired about customer feedback on project timelines following recent copper tariff announcements.

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President & CEO Thomas Ferguson confirmed the company's commitment to its share buyback program, noting about half of the $100 million authorization remains. He highlighted a multi-pronged capital allocation strategy including the recent dividend increase, a full pipeline of bolt-on M&A, and CapEx for productivity. Regarding copper tariffs, Ferguson stated it was too recent for specific feedback but that overall project sentiment remains positive, driven by reshoring and infrastructure demand.

Nick Giles from B. Riley Securities asked about capital allocation, questioning if the significant debt reduction could lead to increased share repurchases. He also sought insights on customer sentiment and project timelines following recent copper tariff announcements.

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President & CEO Thomas Ferguson affirmed the company's commitment to its share buyback program, bolt-on acquisitions, and CapEx investments, highlighting the recent dividend increase. Regarding copper tariffs, he stated it was too recent for specific feedback but noted the overall positive environment driven by reshoring, data centers, and infrastructure spending, which should mitigate potential impacts.

Nick Giles from B. Riley Securities inquired about capital allocation priorities following significant debt reduction, asking if share repurchases would increase. He also sought color on customer sentiment regarding recent copper tariffs.

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President & CEO Thomas Ferguson affirmed a commitment to opportunistic share buybacks under the existing plan, alongside a recent dividend increase, a pipeline of bolt-on M&A, and strategic CapEx. On copper tariffs, he stated it was too recent for specific feedback but noted the overall project environment remains positive due to infrastructure spending and reshoring initiatives, not expecting a significant impact.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities questioned future capital allocation priorities following significant debt reduction, specifically asking about the potential for increased share repurchases. He also sought insights on customer reactions and potential project delays due to recent copper tariff announcements.

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President & CEO Thomas Ferguson affirmed the company's commitment to opportunistic share repurchases under its current plan, in addition to a recent dividend increase and a focus on bolt-on acquisitions and strategic CapEx. Regarding copper tariffs, Ferguson stated it was too early for direct customer feedback but did not anticipate a significant impact on their projects, citing broader positive trends like reshoring and infrastructure spending.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities inquired about the most compelling geographies for bolt-on acquisitions, working capital considerations for FY2026, and the expected margin cadence as the Washington facility ramps up.

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Executive Tom Ferguson stated that for galvanizing, any geography in the U.S. or Canada is attractive. Executive Jason Crawford added that for Precoat, acquisitions would deepen their presence in existing markets. Crawford noted that while there are opportunities for working capital improvement, Executive Tom Ferguson mentioned the new Washington facility will absorb some capital, likely resulting in a relatively flat overall working capital position. Crawford confirmed the Washington facility will operate at a high margin profile, which should boost overall Precoat margins once fully ramped.

Nick Giles inquired about how the current tariff landscape is influencing Canaan's strategy regarding site acquisitions in the U.S. and its interest in pursuing HPC or AI opportunities.

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CEO Nangeng Zhang responded that energy prices at their existing sites have remained stable. He expressed long-term optimism that policy changes in the U.S. could eventually unlock more energy supplies, improving the outlook for power availability without signaling a major immediate shift in acquisition strategy due to tariffs.

Nick Giles asked for an update on site acquisition and power infrastructure procurement, and inquired about the demand outlook for the second half of the year, particularly regarding pricing and its relation to annual guidance.

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CEO Nangeng Zhang explained that the company has flexible cooperation models for site acquisition and has secured more than enough resources for its deployment plan, seeing more opportunities than expected in the U.S. On demand, Zhang noted strong Q4 sales and that a Bitcoin price around $100,000 would be significant for achieving the annual target. CFO James Cheng added that while Q1 2025 revenue is projected to more than double year-over-year, recent price volatility has impacted order momentum, but the company remains confident in its full-year guidance, contingent on a positive macro environment.

Nick Giles inquired about Canaan's growth strategy in North America, asking for specific targets, and questioned how R&D spending in 2025 would be allocated between the A16 miner series and other initiatives like AI.

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CEO Nangeng Zhang highlighted the demand recovery in North America with recent large orders from CleanSpark and HIVE, noting that pricing strategies are being adjusted to market conditions. Regarding R&D, he provided a long-term vision where the immediate focus is deploying infrastructure (targeting 200 MW) for Bitcoin mining in North America, which will create a foundation for future compute services, potentially including AI, rather than making a large, immediate investment in AI ASICs.

Nick Giles asked what specific project milestones investors should monitor in the company's new monthly construction updates to gain clarity on whether the development timeline remains intact.

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COO Matt Brown responded that the monthly updates will provide additional color on ready-for-service dates and key project milestones. He specified that as projects approach commissioning and handover dates, the company will report on clearing these milestones at Denton and other sites.

Nick Giles asked for clarification on the customer diversification strategy, questioning if the newly outlined 700 MW of capacity would be entirely for new customers, and inquired about the expected cadence of new contract announcements.

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CEO Adam Sullivan affirmed that the 700 MW of available capacity is the primary focus for securing new clients to achieve the goal of reducing CoreWeave's concentration below 50%. He expressed confidence in executing contracts with new customers this year, noting active discussions with the majority of hyperscalers and large enterprises.

Nick Giles of B. Riley Securities questioned whether the new U.S. administration has increased HIVE's desire to own operating assets in the United States. He also requested additional details on the potential conversion of existing data centers to support HPC, including any work done on colocation opportunities and CapEx estimates.

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CFO Darcy Daubaras confirmed that the new administration's pro-crypto stance and focus on clear regulation has made the U.S. more attractive for operations. Regarding HPC conversion, he noted that HIVE has engaged consultants to analyze the costs of repurposing its facilities in Sweden and New Brunswick for Tier 3 HPC use, emphasizing the need for stable, low-cost energy for such projects.

Nick Giles inquired about the strategic review process for the Casa Berardi mine, the company's net leverage ratio targets, and the potential for increased capital returns versus funding organic growth. He also asked for details on the timeline and cost impact of the hydropower utility maintenance at Greens Creek.

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CEO Robert Krcmarov stated that all options are being considered for Casa Berardi, balancing a potential divestment against waiting for future cash flows, with a clearer view expected in Q2. CFO Russell Lawlar confirmed the net leverage target remains under 1x, with priorities being revolver paydown and reinvestment in the business. Lawlar also noted the hydropower maintenance would occur mid-year, impacting costs by approximately $5 million.

Nick Giles of Echelon Wealth Partners inquired about the project appetite among major mining companies given cost inflation and the new U.S. administration. He also requested a detailed breakdown of the $43 million budget approved for the Donlin Gold project in 2025.

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President and CEO Greg Lang stated that project appetite remains strong as inflationary pressures subside, and he views the new administration's support for Alaskan resource development as a positive catalyst. Lang detailed the $43 million budget, allocating approximately $15 million to drilling and camp operations, $5 million to update capital and operating costs, and $2 million for permit defense, with the remainder covering community relations and other project advancement activities.

Nick Giles, on behalf of Lucas Pipes, asked if there is a minimum capacity takedown required for the hyperscaler transaction to be executed. He also inquired if the data center would be tenant-managed and about the current status of the design process with the partner.

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Executive Christopher Ferraro stated that the project requires a significant retrofit of the existing facility, making the minimum deal size 'pretty large' from a logistical standpoint. He confirmed that a 'significant amount of work' on the design is already underway as a 'joint partner effort' involving Galaxy's internal team, external contractors, and the potential partner. He did not specify the management structure of the future facility.