Ryan Shelley

Ryan Shelley asked about PennyMac Financial Services' (PFSI) specific solutions and investments in AI and other technologies aimed at improving recapture rates, and sought quantification of the potential upside from these efforts.

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Chairman and CEO David Spector outlined solutions including increasing headcount and fully deploying technology like Vesta. He mentioned Q4 2025 strategies such as shifting focus from closed-end seconds to conventional recapture efforts and continuously testing to drive up margins. He emphasized the goal of achieving profitable recapture.

Ryan Shelley asked about any changes in competitive behavior within the broker direct channel following recent industry consolidation and whether PennyMac Financial anticipates further industry consolidation, and how the company would fit into such a narrative.

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David Spector, Chairman and CEO, attributed PennyMac Financial's rapid ascent in broker direct to its technology and focus, positioning it as a clear alternative to top competitors. He expressed confidence in reaching 10% market share by 2026, noting growth in both share and margin. Regarding industry consolidation, David Spector acknowledged it in certain market segments but emphasized PFSI's organic growth strategy over 18 years, focusing on profitable expansion while competitors engage in other corporate activities.

Ryan Shelley asked about any observed changes in competitive behavior within the broker direct channel following recent industry consolidation, specifically from the consolidated players or others. He also inquired about PennyMac Financial's perspective on the narrative of further industry consolidation and how the company positions itself within such a trend.

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Chairman and CEO David Spector attributed PennyMac's rapid ascent in broker direct to its technology and ability to provide a clear alternative to top competitors, noting that other participants' distractions allow PennyMac to focus and grow share, aiming for 10% market share by end of 2026. He highlighted growth in both share and margin in the broker market. Regarding industry consolidation, David Spector believes PennyMac, having built most of its divisions organically over 18 years, will continue to operate and grow faster by focusing on profitable organic growth and capital allocation, rather than corporate activities like M&A.

Ryan Shelley of Bank of America Merrill Lynch asked for commentary on the slight uptick in portfolio delinquency rates during the quarter.

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CFO Daniel Perotti noted the increase was consistent with seasonal trends and highlighted that delinquencies actually decreased year-over-year. CEO David Spector added that risk is mitigated by strong borrower equity, government assistance programs, and the high quality of recently originated loans, which show delinquency rates significantly below the industry average.

Ryan Shelley asked if the quarterly decrease in revenue margin was solely due to mix shift and also inquired about the company's strategy for its upcoming unsecured debt maturity in October.

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Executive Daniel Perotti confirmed the margin decline was primarily driven by a mix shift toward lower-margin correspondent production. Regarding the debt, he stated that PFSI plans to access the unsecured market in 2025 to both address the maturity and increase the overall proportion of unsecured debt in its capital structure.

Ryan Shelley of Bank of America Merrill Lynch asked about the rationale behind the new debt tender offer, particularly the inclusion of recently issued subordinated notes, and the company's broader capital structure strategy.

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EVP & CFO Perry Beberman explained that the company is in an excess cash position and is opportunistically optimizing its debt structure. He noted the original subordinated note issuance was larger than necessary for their balance sheet. The tender provides optionality, especially as the 9.75% senior notes have a call option in February 2026.

Ryan Shelley asked if Navient would consider issuing new debt to fund future growth opportunities and where the repayment of unsecured debt maturities ranks within the company's capital allocation priorities.

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CFO Joe Fisher confirmed that unsecured debt issuance would be a tool to fund significant growth but also highlighted other funding sources, including a large cash position and unencumbered assets. The decision would depend on the scale of the growth opportunity, implying a flexible approach to capital allocation that balances growth, debt management, and shareholder returns.

Ryan Shelley asked how Navient plans to address its upcoming June 2025 debt maturity and whether the company would consider issuing new debt in the high-yield market.

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CFO Joe Fisher detailed Navient's strong liquidity position, citing over $7.4 billion in available resources from cash, unencumbered loans, and overcollateralization, stating the company is very comfortable addressing upcoming maturities. While confident in the current position, he noted that Navient remains opportunistic and would not rule out tapping the high-yield market if conditions are attractive.

Ryan Shelley inquired about the drivers behind the recent trend in the active dealer count and asked about the company's strategy for addressing the March 2026 debt maturity, which is now callable.

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Chief Treasury Officer Douglas Busk described the active dealer count as 'fairly flat' outside of typical seasonality, noting that despite a normalizing competitive environment, the company continues to grow market share and is on pace for a record volume year. Regarding the 2026 notes, an executive from the treasury team stated they are monitoring market conditions and are not in a rush to act, given the ample time to maturity and multiple refinancing options available, including new notes, securitization, or existing liquidity.