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    Stephen Laws

    Managing Director at Raymond James

    Stephen Laws is a Managing Director at Raymond James, specializing in investment banking with a focus on real estate and fixed income capital markets. As Head of Real Estate, he has advised and executed mergers and acquisitions, capital raising, and strategic financing transactions for a range of public and private real estate companies. Laws has built a distinguished career in financial modeling and transaction execution, holding progressively senior roles since joining Raymond James and leveraging his deep sector expertise. He holds advanced professional credentials and has established a strong reputation for his deal-making track record and client outcomes.

    Stephen Laws's questions to Lument Finance Trust (LFT) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to Lument Finance Trust (LFT) leadership • Q4 2024

    Question

    Stephen Laws of Raymond James asked about the financing cost of the 2021 CLO compared to current market conditions and inquired about the strategy for managing the balance sheet's financing, including a potential new securitization. He also asked for a Q1 update on originations and repayments and when portfolio leverage might trough.

    Answer

    CEO James Flynn explained that the 2021 CLO's cost is attractive at SOFR plus 1.71%, but its 75% advance rate is lower than the mid-to-high 80s seen in the current market. He stated Lument is exploring flexible short-term financing options like bank warehouse facilities to manage challenged assets before potentially executing a new securitization later in the year. Flynn noted that LFT's Q1 originations were minimal due to limited capacity, with about $25 million in payoffs, but that the parent company is seeing significant origination opportunities.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to Lument Finance Trust (LFT) leadership • Q3 2024

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    Inquired about the strategy for refinancing the FL1 CLO, balancing cost versus better terms like higher advance rates, and the expected timing. Also asked for repayment expectations and the outlook for the 4-rated loans, including the risk of them migrating to a 5-rating.

    Answer

    The company is actively evaluating refinancing the CLO, possibly in the first half of 2025, aiming for the most efficient transaction. Repayment activity is expected to be choppy. The 4-rated loans have elevated risk due to market conditions but are expected to be fully recovered based on current analysis. While some could migrate to a 5-rating, the company is confident in its quarterly review process and expects full repayment on these assets.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to Lument Finance Trust (LFT) leadership • Q3 2024

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    Stephen Laws inquired about the strategy for the FL1 CLO, including the timing of a potential recapitalization and loan repayment expectations. He also asked for color on the 4-rated loans and the risk of them migrating to a 5-rating.

    Answer

    CEO James Flynn stated that a CLO recapitalization in the first half of 2025 is possible but not guaranteed, as the company is carefully evaluating all options to ensure the most efficient transaction. Regarding credit, Flynn explained that while 4-rated loans have elevated risk, the company expects full recovery. CFO James Briggs added that while some 4-rated loans could become 5s, they are confident in their quarterly review process and risk modeling.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to Finance of America Companies (FOA) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to Finance of America Companies (FOA) leadership • Q4 2024

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    Stephen Laws asked about the pressure on net origination gain margins in Q4 from rate volatility and the outlook for Q1. He also inquired about the expected ramp-up of origination volume throughout 2025 and the role of upcoming marketing initiatives in driving that growth.

    Answer

    CFO Matthew Engel acknowledged Q4 margin headwinds from rates but noted conditions were improving in Q1, making Q3 2024 a good comparison. CEO Graham Fleming added that because they hold rates for consumers, Q4 volatility lowered margins, but full-year 2024 margins were stable and are expected to be similar in 2025. Regarding volume, Engel confirmed an expected ramp-up during 2025, particularly in the second half. President Kristen Sieffert detailed a major brand and advertising platform transition launching in Q2 to modernize their marketing approach beyond traditional TV and capture more of the addressable market.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to Finance of America Companies (FOA) leadership • Q3 2024

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    Stephen Laws asked about the outlook for Q4 and Q1 origination volumes, questioning why Q4 would be flat to Q3 despite a strong October and inquiring about potential Q1 seasonality. He also asked about the potential for a reversal of Q3's large fair value gains given the rise in interest rates during Q4.

    Answer

    Chief Financial Officer Matthew Engel explained that while October was a strong month for volume, the holiday slowdowns in November and December would likely result in Q4 volumes being similar to Q3, with any seasonality impacting Q1. President Kristen Sieffert added that sustained higher rates are driving more interest from traditional mortgage bankers. Regarding fair value marks, CEO Graham Fleming acknowledged that rising rates are a negative factor but noted that tightening credit spreads, as seen in recent securitizations, would provide a partial offset, with the final impact also depending on home price appreciation.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to Velocity Financial (VEL) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to Velocity Financial (VEL) leadership • Q4 2024

    Question

    Stephen Laws asked about Velocity's production expectations for 2025, the reasons for the increase in average loan balance, and the company's capital strategy to support its growth trajectory.

    Answer

    President and CEO Chris Farrar stated that the current production run rate is a reliable forecast for 2025, with a potential for a slight upward trend due to strong demand. He attributed the larger average loan size to an increased mix of commercial assets, which naturally have higher balances. Regarding capital, Farrar explained that for current growth rates, retained earnings, ATM issuance, and the potential sale of retained bonds are sufficient, but significantly accelerated growth might require a balanced approach of raising additional equity and debt.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to Velocity Financial (VEL) leadership • Q3 2024

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    Stephen Laws inquired about the impact of recent interest rate volatility on the origination pipeline, the potential size of the government-insured multi-loan opportunity, and the earnings accretion from collapsing the 2020-2 securitization.

    Answer

    President and CEO Chris Farrar explained that Velocity's niche is less rate-sensitive, and production is hedged, dampening volatility. He noted October was a record month for applications. Farrar projected over $150 million in originations from the government-insured loan niche in 2025, which would be sold for immediate cash gains. He clarified that collapsing the 2020-2 deal would provide a positive earnings lift due to its unique low-leverage structure, but this is not expected for most other deals.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to Sunrise Realty Trust (SUNS) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to Sunrise Realty Trust (SUNS) leadership • Q4 2024

    Question

    Stephen Laws of Raymond James inquired about the pipeline's mix of senior versus mezzanine loans, the expected timeline for deploying new capital, and sought confirmation on the net interest margin benefits from the spread between loan floors and financing costs.

    Answer

    CEO Brian Sedrish stated the portfolio will remain predominantly senior-focused to capture the best opportunities. Executive Chairman Leonard Tannenbaum added that capital deployment visibility extends into 2026 due to construction loan funding schedules, making the 2025 earnings ramp less predictable. Tannenbaum also confirmed Laws' analysis of the favorable interest rate floor dynamics was correct.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to Sunrise Realty Trust (SUNS) leadership • Q3 2024

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    Stephen Laws of Raymond James inquired about the competitive landscape in the Southeast, the composition of the deal pipeline, and the anticipated pace of portfolio growth over the next three to six months.

    Answer

    Executive Chairman Leonard Tannenbaum and CEO Brian Sedrish explained that while competition remains low, deal opportunities, particularly refinancings, are increasing. They noted the pipeline is predominantly senior loans, which offer the best risk-adjusted returns. While declining to provide a specific timeline for portfolio growth, Mr. Tannenbaum expressed confidence in closing all deals with signed term sheets within approximately the next six months, emphasizing the company's high selectivity.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to Ready Capital (RC) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to Ready Capital (RC) leadership • Q4 2024

    Question

    Stephen Laws followed up on the SBA segment, asking about the relationship between operating cash flow and gain-on-sale income, and the typical mix between the two.

    Answer

    Executive Andrew Ahlborn explained that the SBA business is highly free cash flow positive because the company recovers its full basis in an origination very quickly through the sale of the guaranteed portion and financing of the unguaranteed piece. He noted that while recent capital contributions have been made to the business pending warehouse line approvals, the incremental growth in the segment essentially drops directly to the bottom line, improving the company's overall free cash flow from operations.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to Ready Capital (RC) leadership • Q3 2024

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    Stephen Laws asked for details on the CECL reserve build, including its allocation between general and specific reserves and the assets that drove the increase. He also questioned the sustainability of the $0.25 distributable earnings (ex-losses) and whether it could comfortably cover the dividend going forward.

    Answer

    CEO Thomas Capasse noted the CECL reserve is just over 1%, with 32% in the general bucket. Chief Credit Officer Adam Zausmer added that the quarterly increase was almost entirely related to the M&A portfolio. Executive Adam Zausmer affirmed the $0.25 distributable earnings level is a 'good baseline,' supported by the substantial and growing contribution from the small business lending platform, and sees a growth path as the CRE business normalizes.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to STARWOOD PROPERTY TRUST (STWD) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to STARWOOD PROPERTY TRUST (STWD) leadership • Q4 2024

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    Stephen Laws of Raymond James inquired about the seasonality of higher Q4 operating costs in the affordable multifamily portfolio and the remaining debt term and refinancing outlook for those assets. He also asked about the drivers of the Q4 fair value gain in the portfolio.

    Answer

    President Jeffrey DiModica explained that the higher Q4 expenses were due to hurricane-related maintenance and are not expected to be a run-rate cost. He noted the debt has 2.5 years remaining and will be refinanced opportunistically. DiModica clarified the Q4 valuation gain was driven by a mandatory annual third-party appraisal using a discounted cash flow method, which he stated is in line with or conservative to recent market transactions.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to STARWOOD PROPERTY TRUST (STWD) leadership • Q3 2024

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    Stephen Laws of Raymond James inquired about Starwood's investment capacity and potential earnings growth as it shifts to offense, and also asked about the earnings impact of increasing the mix of unsecured debt.

    Answer

    President Jeff DiModica explained that for every $1 billion in new capital deployed at current leverage, the company could add approximately $50 million to distributable earnings. He detailed that issuing unsecured debt currently has a slight negative carry while holding excess cash, but becomes accretive once invested, supporting the strategic goal of achieving an investment-grade rating.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to NexPoint Real Estate Finance (NREF) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to NexPoint Real Estate Finance (NREF) leadership • Q4 2024

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    Stephen Laws inquired about the expected returns on new investments, particularly in Freddie K deals and construction financing, and how they compare to the cost of Series B capital. He also asked for key metrics and performance details on the growing life sciences portfolio and requested an update on overall loan performance, including any delinquencies or watch-list loans.

    Answer

    Matthew McGraner, EVP & CIO, detailed that new Freddie K deals are expected to yield low to mid-teens returns, while construction financing offers attractive spreads with accretive A-note lending. He noted the life science portfolio has strong detachment points, with a key Massachusetts loan at a 25% loan-to-cost basis and a bid for the loan already in hand. Paul Richards, EVP & CFO, added that while a few loans in the CMBS portfolio are on a watch list and one preferred equity deal is undergoing a refinancing, the overall portfolio performance remains extremely strong.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to NexPoint Real Estate Finance (NREF) leadership • Q3 2024

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    Stephen Laws from Raymond James asked for details on the funding of unfunded commitments, the strategy for using Series B preferred issuance to fund them, and the composition of the current residential investment pipeline.

    Answer

    Matthew McGraner, EVP & CIO, confirmed a ~$29 million funding for the '[A life]' loan, with ~$90 million remaining. He explained that the 9% coupon Series B preferred issuance is a primary source for this, alongside exploring an A-note facility and a potential high-yield bond deal. He detailed the residential pipeline as including a ~$100 million senior loan for a portfolio, ~$75 million in construction financing, and various Freddie Mac B-piece opportunities.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to ARBOR REALTY TRUST (ABR) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to ARBOR REALTY TRUST (ABR) leadership • Q4 2024

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    Stephen Laws inquired about the expected performance of the $4 billion in loans modified in 2024, particularly in the current rate environment, and asked for clarification on the drivers behind the reduced earnings from servicing escrow balances.

    Answer

    President and CEO Ivan Kaufman stated that most modified loans are performing well, as the strategy focuses on sponsors bringing in more capital to improve assets. Executive Paul Elenio clarified that the lower earnings on cash and escrows, projected at $80-$85 million versus $120 million in 2024, are driven by the full-year impact of a lower SOFR and a reduced corporate cash balance.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to ARBOR REALTY TRUST (ABR) leadership • Q3 2024

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    Stephen Laws of Raymond James asked about Arbor's capital raising strategy to fund growth in bridge and construction lending, specifically questioning the mix of unsecured debt versus equity. He also sought clarity on the expected earnings trajectory for the upcoming year, considering NPL resolutions.

    Answer

    President and CEO Ivan Kaufman explained the strategic focus on SFR and construction lending due to superior spreads and noted that an improving securitization market now makes bridge lending more attractive. He confirmed they will manage liquidity based on loan runoff and market opportunities. Executive Paul Elenio added that Arbor uses a 'barbell approach' to capital, is currently at a low leverage point, and expects a long-term earnings lift from NPL resolutions after a near-term 'low water mark' for net interest income.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to Greystone Housing Impact Investors (GHI) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to Greystone Housing Impact Investors (GHI) leadership • Q4 2024

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    Stephen Laws asked about the returns and capital allocation for the new BlackRock joint venture, as well as the drivers behind the recent Tomball asset sale, which resulted in no gain.

    Answer

    CEO Kenneth Rogozinski explained that the BlackRock JV enhances returns on their existing construction lending strategy through a promotes structure. He clarified that capital allocation is driven by opportunity, not fixed targets, with all new loans needing to be accretive to the dividend. Regarding the Tomball sale, Rogozinski attributed the lack of gain to a 3.5x increase in insurance premiums, which significantly eroded the property's value, noting this was a location-specific issue rather than a portfolio-wide trend.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to TPG RE Finance Trust (TRTX) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to TPG RE Finance Trust (TRTX) leadership • Q4 2024

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    Stephen Laws of Raymond James asked for an update on TRTX's life sciences loan exposure and performance, clarification on REO-related revenue and expense trends, and a more specific timeline for the disposition of the current REO portfolio.

    Answer

    Executive Doug Bouquard stated that life sciences exposure was reduced to three loans after one paid off, highlighting that all are built-out assets with high-quality borrowers, and noted a recent uptick in leasing activity. Executive Robert Foley clarified that the Q4 REO expense increase was a one-time event related to a San Antonio property. He projected that roughly half of the current REO portfolio could be sold by the end of 2025, with two California properties already being marketed.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to TPG RE Finance Trust (TRTX) leadership • Q3 2024

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    Stephen Laws from Raymond James inquired about TRTX's strategy for leverage, asking if the company is comfortable increasing it or will focus on reinvesting repayments. He also asked for the incremental return pickup from recycling capital from unlevered REO properties into new loans and questioned the risk profile of the life sciences portfolio.

    Answer

    Executive Doug Bouquard stated that he anticipates leverage will increase as the company deploys its balance sheet cash and recycles capital from REO sales, noting TRTX is modestly levered compared to the market. Executive Robert Foley quantified the REO impact, explaining that every $100 million of recycled capital equates to about $0.03 per share per quarter. Regarding life sciences, Doug Bouquard highlighted TPG's deep expertise in the sector and confirmed that the existing loans are performing well, with two nearly stabilized and two in lease-up.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to Franklin BSP Realty Trust (FBRT) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to Franklin BSP Realty Trust (FBRT) leadership • Q4 2024

    Question

    Stephen Laws of Raymond James inquired about the expected run rate for quarterly originations and the potential for a ratings upgrade on a modified Georgia office loan. He also asked about the strategy for the Denver office asset post-foreclosure and the economics of a potential 2025 CLO issuance.

    Answer

    President Michael Comparato noted that while origination opportunities are plentiful, the company is being patient to manage its legacy book. He confirmed the Georgia office loan will remain 5-rated for now. The plan for the Denver office is to stabilize and liquidate, though the outcome is harder to predict. CFO Jerome Baglien added the asset has been significantly written down. Comparato also stated that the CRE CLO market is very attractive and a new issuance in 2025 would be highly accretive.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to Franklin BSP Realty Trust (FBRT) leadership • Q3 2024

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    Stephen Laws of Raymond James asked for details on the expected timing for monetizing the seven core REO multifamily assets. He also questioned the lower-than-expected Q3 Net Interest Income (NII) and the potential impact on distributable earnings (DE) from a specific office asset moving to REO.

    Answer

    President Michael Comparato detailed the REO disposition plan, expecting the Walgreens assets to be sold by Q1 2025 and two multifamily properties by the end of Q1, with the rest sold throughout 2025. CFO Jerome Baglien attributed the NII pressure more to the drag from non-productive REO assets rather than the timing mismatch of loan repayments and originations. He also clarified that a loss on the Denver office asset would likely run through DE upon transfer to REO if the loss is deemed crystallized at that time.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to BLACKSTONE MORTGAGE TRUST (BXMT) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to BLACKSTONE MORTGAGE TRUST (BXMT) leadership • Q4 2024

    Question

    Stephen Laws asked for an earnings bridge to clarify the underlying earnings power of the portfolio, excluding losses, and inquired about the timeline for resolving the remaining 5-rated loans.

    Answer

    CEO Katharine Keenan explained that the earnings trough is likely current, with the full positive impact of recent loan resolutions and new investments expected to materialize in the second quarter. She clarified that the $400 million in near-term resolutions have high visibility for Q1 closing, with the team actively working on the remainder of the impaired loan balance.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to BLACKSTONE MORTGAGE TRUST (BXMT) leadership • Q2 2024

    Question

    Stephen Laws questioned the sustainability of the new $0.47 dividend level given earnings headwinds and asked for comfort on the current CECL reserve levels after several large quarterly increases.

    Answer

    CEO Katie Keenan stated the dividend is based on long-term sustainable earnings, not single quarters, balancing income with growth investment. She noted that credit issues are concentrated in the U.S. office portfolio, where 55% of loans are already watchlisted or impaired with significant reserves, while other asset classes are improving.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to KKR Real Estate Finance Trust (KREF) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to KKR Real Estate Finance Trust (KREF) leadership • Q4 2024

    Question

    Stephen Laws questioned the resolution path for the 5-rated Minneapolis office loan, the company's view on share repurchases versus new originations, and the expected level of CECL reserves for newly originated loans in the current environment.

    Answer

    CEO Matthew Salem stated there is no determined path yet for the Minneapolis office loan, noting its stable occupancy provides options, including a potential extension. He emphasized a 'balanced approach' to capital allocation between share buybacks and new loan originations. President & COO Patrick Mattson explained that the CECL reserve is expected to increase on the margin with new, longer-duration loans, likely rising in both nominal dollars and as a percentage of 3-rated assets, absent other portfolio changes.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to KKR Real Estate Finance Trust (KREF) leadership • Q4 2024

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    Stephen Laws asked for an update on the resolution path for the 5-rated Minneapolis office loan. He also questioned how management views the trade-off between stock repurchases and new originations, and how to think about the appropriate CECL reserve level for newly originated loans.

    Answer

    CEO Matt Salem stated that the path for the Minneapolis office loan is not yet determined, noting that its stable leasing and cash flow provide multiple options, including extending the loan to buy more time. On capital allocation, Salem emphasized a balanced approach between stock buybacks and deploying capital into new loans. President & COO Patrick Mattson explained that the CECL reserve would likely increase marginally with new, longer-duration loans, both in absolute dollars and as a percentage of 3-rated assets.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance (ARI) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance (ARI) leadership • Q3 2024

    Question

    Stephen Laws of Raymond James requested a reconciliation of the Massachusetts hospital loan's financials, an update on the eminent domain court process, and an outlook on the company's net portfolio size and leverage.

    Answer

    Executive Stuart Rothstein broke down the hospital loan's resolution, starting with a $342 million basis, reduced by ~$55 million in payments/reserves, with ~$61 million in assets retained and ~$100 million in sales proceeds, resulting in the $128 million loss. He described the eminent domain challenge as a two-step legal process that could take 2-3 years if it proceeds to a valuation battle. He expects leverage and portfolio size to remain stable, with potential growth coming from redeploying equity from resolved focus assets.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to ACRES Commercial Realty (ACR) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to ACRES Commercial Realty (ACR) leadership • Q3 2024

    Question

    Stephen Laws of Raymond James asked for an update on the timeline for REO asset sales, the strategy for restarting the loan origination pipeline, and the economic comparison between existing and potential new CLO deals.

    Answer

    President and CEO Mark Fogel indicated that in addition to the FSU student housing asset, three other properties are expected to be monetized over the next two quarters. He stated that the company's broader platform is actively originating loans, and deal flow will be allocated to the REIT as liquidity becomes available from asset sales. Regarding financing, he noted that while new CLO terms may not be as attractive as past deals, the focus is on achieving mid-to-high teens ROE, and plans for a new issuance are being developed.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to BrightSpire Capital (BRSP) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to BrightSpire Capital (BRSP) leadership • Q3 2024

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    Stephen Laws inquired about BrightSpire's outlook for portfolio growth, asking if the company plans to grow leverage or simply reinvest repayments. He also asked about the capital allocation strategy, specifically the trade-off between new loan originations and opportunistic stock repurchases given the significant discount to book value.

    Answer

    CEO Michael Mazzei confirmed that BrightSpire expects leverage to grow, potentially to 2.5% or higher, as it redeploys capital into new loans. Regarding capital allocation, Mazzei stated that while the company has the capacity for both new investments and share buybacks, the stock was repurchased because its valuation was compelling. He emphasized the preference for making loans but noted the market is still "thawing out," making buybacks attractive at current levels.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to Safehold (SAFE) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to Safehold (SAFE) leadership • Q3 2024

    Question

    Stephen Laws asked about the deal pipeline amid recent interest rate volatility and inquired about the types of larger deals that would be directed to the joint venture. He also asked about the company's comfort level with its current leverage and any potential needs for additional equity capital.

    Answer

    Chief Investment Officer Timothy Doherty stated that the market is opening up, but rate stability is needed to drive more transactions. Chairman and CEO Jay Sugarman added that while larger deals are challenging to close, they are actively working on some with their JV partner for 2025. Chief Financial Officer Brett Asnas addressed leverage, noting their target is approximately 2x debt-to-equity, which is not a hard cap, and that the company has sufficient runway before needing to raise equity.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to Rithm Capital (RITM) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to Rithm Capital (RITM) leadership • Q3 2024

    Question

    Stephen Laws from Raymond James asked about the drivers behind residential refinance volume and its expected trend. He also sought to quantify the potential earnings impact from Sculptor's annual performance fees, which typically crystalize in the fourth quarter.

    Answer

    Newrez President Baron Silverstein attributed the Q3 refinance volume increase to a market rally but expects it to normalize. Rithm CEO Michael Nierenberg declined to provide forward-looking guidance on Sculptor's performance fees but confirmed they are expected in Q4 and noted the acquisition's attractive valuation based on 2024 performance.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to Rithm Capital (RITM) leadership • Q3 2024

    Question

    Stephen Laws from Raymond James asked for details on the drivers of residential refinance volume and its outlook, and also sought to quantify the potential earnings impact from Sculptor's annual performance fees expected in the fourth quarter.

    Answer

    Newrez President Baron Silverstein attributed the Q3 refinance volume increase to a market rally but emphasized that momentum from recapture investments will continue to drive improvement. Rithm CEO Michael Nierenberg declined to provide forward-looking guidance on Sculptor's Q4 performance fees but noted they should be expected and that the acquisition is performing well, trading at a high-single-digit multiple based on 2024 earnings.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to Ladder Capital (LADR) leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to Ladder Capital (LADR) leadership • Q3 2024

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    Stephen Laws of Raymond James inquired about the most promising loan origination opportunities, particularly in the middle market and construction lending, and sought details on the drivers behind the significant Q3 loan repayments.

    Answer

    President Pamela McCormack stated Ladder is focusing on its core products, which do not include construction loans, targeting multifamily, industrial, and retail for new acquisitions and recapitalizations. CEO Brian Harris explained that repayments were driven by a mix of factors, including refinancings of smaller apartment loans and a large $119 million payoff on an industrial deal, which skewed the quarterly total higher. He noted that while refinancings are happening, they often require extensions.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to AJX leadership

    Stephen Laws's questions to AJX leadership • Q3 2024

    Question

    Inquired about the drivers for the Q1 profitability timeline, the strategic focus between specific CRE sectors versus a single large deal, and the company's future financing strategy.

    Answer

    Michael Nierenberg explained that reaching breakeven by Q1 depends on deploying the remaining capital, addressing the high-coupon debt, and some capital reengineering. The strategy is twofold: pursuing opportunities in areas like construction where banks have pulled back, while also seeking a large, transformational deal. Future financing will involve bank lines for the securities portfolio, with an eventual move to tap the broader debt or equity markets.

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    Stephen Laws's questions to AJX leadership • Q2 2024

    Question

    Inquired about the capital allocation for legacy risk retention assets versus capital freed up for new investments. He also asked about the future portfolio mix between CRE loans and securities and whether the current team is sufficient for sourcing investments.

    Answer

    Approximately $15-16 million in equity supports risk retention assets, while selling other assets will free up $35-40 million. The future portfolio will be a mix of CRE securities and loans, depending on market opportunities, targeting mid-teens returns. The current teams at Rithm and Sculptor are considered sufficient for sourcing new investments.

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