Thomas McJoynt

Thomas McJoynt asked about the potential for a special dividend from National, exploring whether MBIA Inc. is discussing distributing excess capital with regulators beyond the regular as-of-right dividend. He also inquired about updates on the strategic process, including a potential sale of the company, and whether such a sale would involve only National or the entire holding company and its subsidiaries.

Answer

CEO Bill Fallon clarified that there's no specific timing for special dividends, noting National's only prior special dividend was in Q4 2023. He stated that the company continuously evaluates special dividends, with likelihood increasing as the portfolio runs off and PREPA exposure decreases. Regarding a potential sale, Mr. Fallon mentioned that all options are on the table, including selling the entire company or its components, with the decision based on what is best for shareholders. He acknowledged that selling the entire company is the 'cleanest' approach.

Thomas McJoynt asked about the potential for a special dividend from National in Q4 2025, comparing it to a previous Q4 2023 dividend, and inquired about ongoing discussions with regulators. He also sought updates on the strategic process, specifically whether a potential sale would involve only National or the entire holding company.

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CEO Bill Fallon stated that special dividends are continuously evaluated, noting that the likelihood and amount increase as the portfolio and PREPA exposure decline. Regarding the strategic process, Mr. Fallon indicated that all options, including selling the entire company or its components, are on the table, with the decision based on what maximizes shareholder value.

Thomas McJoynt asked about the ongoing opportunities with Citizens depopulation efforts, inquiring whether there's continuous churn of policies or if the opportunity set is becoming more limited. He also questioned expectations for reinsurance costs, the 6/1 renewal timing, and the mix of multi-year versus annual programs.

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Chairman and CEO Bruce Lucas explained that Citizens adds approximately 8,000 policies monthly, creating ongoing opportunities, though at a smaller scale than in prior years. He noted that reinsurance costs are a key factor for policy viability and that the market appears to be trending towards lower pricing. Lucas mentioned that Slide recently placed a $320 million ILS bond at over 20% lower risk-adjusted rates year-over-year, and while traditional market quotes for the 6/1 renewal are pending, the company's guidance includes a reduction in reinsurance expenses.

Thomas McJoynt asked about the future opportunities for Slide Insurance regarding Citizens depopulation efforts, specifically inquiring if there's a continuous churn of policies becoming available or if the opportunity set is becoming more limited. He also inquired about Slide's expectations for reinsurance costs, given recent market trends, and how these are factored into the company's guidance, including renewal dates and multi-year programs.

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Chairman and CEO Bruce Lucas explained that opportunities exist from both new policies added to Citizens (approx. 8,000/month) and existing policies, with reinsurance costs being a key driver. He noted that while opportunities are ongoing, they are smaller than in prior years. Regarding reinsurance, Mr. Lucas stated that while traditional reinsurance quotes are pending for the 6/1 renewal, a recent ILS bond placement saw risk-adjusted rates down over 20%. He confirmed that guidance includes a reduction in reinsurance expenses, but the full extent is yet to be determined.

Thomas McJoynt asked about Hamilton's optimal premium leverage management, particularly if it's evolving with a heavier casualty portfolio mix. He also explored the company's strategy and expertise regarding opportunities in the data center niche.

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Craig Howie, Group Chief Financial Officer, stated that premium leverage has remained consistent, with a net retention rate around 80%, influenced by factors like IPO proceeds and reinsurance pricing. Pina Albo, Group Chief Executive Officer, confirmed that Hamilton views data centers as an opportunity, focusing on physical damage covers without business interruption, while maintaining caution regarding accumulation and business interruption risks.

Thomas McJoynt asked about Hamilton's optimal premium leverage target and whether it is changing as the portfolio mix shifts towards heavier casualty growth after a period of stronger property growth. He also inquired about Hamilton's approach to the data center opportunity, asking if the company possesses the necessary expertise, if there are specific niche opportunities, and what their overall strategy is for this growing market.

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Craig Howie (CFO and Chief Investment Officer, Hamilton Insurance Group) stated that premium leverage hasn't changed much, with retention around 80%, noting that the company has maintained this rate through strategic reinsurance purchases. Pina Albo (CEO, Hamilton Insurance Group) confirmed that Hamilton sees data centers as an opportunity, particularly for physical damage-only covers (excluding business interruption), but emphasized a cautious approach due to accumulation risk on large data centers and the complexities of business interruption.

Thomas McJoynt asked about the financial impact of the Aspire program on the broker fee revenue line during the quarter, specifically its magnitude, and whether there's a potential for a significant year-end true-up if actual volumes deviate from expectations. He also inquired about RE/MAX's perspective on private listings, given its extensive network.

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CFO Karri Callahan noted that approximately 2,000 agents are on the Aspire program, with a Q4 impact on broker fees of roughly $200,000 to $500,000, and that the program is expected to smooth out seasonality in the broker fee line over time. CEO Erik Carlson clarified that RE/MAX's view on private listings remains unchanged, prioritizing transparency and the broadest distribution for the best consumer outcomes, while acknowledging preparedness to participate in a broader private listing network if necessary.

Thomas McJoynt questioned the magnitude of the Aspire program's impact on broker fee revenue in the current quarter and whether there's a potential for a year-end true-up if volumes differ significantly from expectations. He also inquired about the company's perspective on private listings.

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Karri Callahan, CFO, stated that the Aspire program, with about 2,000 agents, had a minor impact on Q4 broker fee revenue ($200k-$500k) and is expected to smooth out seasonality over time. Erik Carlson, CEO, reiterated RE/MAX's philosophical stance on private listings, favoring transparency and broad distribution for optimal consumer outcomes, while noting preparedness to participate in private listing networks if market conditions necessitated.