William Ryan

Will Ryan asked about the credit metrics of the private legacy portfolio, specifically reserve adequacy, the reasons for the Q4 reserve bump, and the ending reserve rate. He also inquired about internal discussions regarding fair value accounting given CECL charges and origination growth.

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President and CEO Dave Yowan explained that Q3 assumption changes (prepayments, default/delinquency, future financings) increased expected life of loan cash flows. He noted Q4 provision reflected macroeconomic deterioration (20% of back book provision) and increased delinquency rates in the private legacy portfolio. CFO Steve Hauber stated the year-end reserve coverage was in the mid-3% range, a blend shifting towards refi. Dave Yowan confirmed they are evaluating fair value accounting but are not ready to announce any changes.

Will Ryan with Seaport Research Partners inquired about the credit metrics of the private legacy portfolio, specifically regarding reserve adequacy, the reasons for the Q4 reserve increase, and the ending reserve rate. He also asked about the company's consideration of fair value accounting.

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President and CEO Dave Yowan explained that Q3 assumption changes extended portfolio life and adjusted for default experiences, increasing expected life of loan cash flows. He noted that the Q4 provision reflected a macroeconomic deterioration (20% of back book provision) and sequential increases in delinquency rates primarily within the private legacy portfolio. CFO Steve Hauber stated the year-end reserve coverage for the private legacy portfolio was in the mid-3% range, emphasizing that the mix is shifting towards refi loans. Dave Yowan confirmed they are looking at fair value accounting but are not ready to announce anything.

William Haraway Ryan asked about LendingClub's future disposition plans across structured certificates, whole loans, and extended seasoning, including strategies for growing the held-for-investment portfolio and balance sheet, and the economics of various disposition channels. He also inquired about the competitive landscape, increased origination volumes, potential credit box expansion by competitors, and any resulting pressure on LendingClub's underwriting standards.

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CFO Drew LaBenne stated that the held-for-investment target for Q4 is roughly $500 million, with other programs remaining consistent and strong demand for structured certificates and rated products. CEO Scott Sanborn clarified that sales economics vary, with insurance-rated transactions now approaching bank prices, and the mix is driven by best execution. Regarding competition, Scott Sanborn noted that LendingClub's growth comes from a low base, maintaining credit discipline, and not seeing increased competition affecting their underwriting standards, emphasizing a long-term focus.

William Ryan asked about the current competitive landscape for personal loans, including new entrants and products, and sought clarity on future marketing efficiency.

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CEO Scott Sanborn addressed competition, stating that while the space is always competitive, LendingClub feels very good about its ability to compete and noted that new entrants often struggle to replicate their data-driven models. CFO Drew LaBenne added that while marketing costs are expected to rise with origination growth, efficiency was better than expected in Q2, and they anticipate continued growth.

William Ryan inquired about the current state of investor demand and loan pricing in the marketplace, and asked for clarification on the Q2 PPNR guidance, questioning if it reflects increased marketing investments.

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CEO Scott Sanborn stated that despite market noise, LendingClub feels good about its outlook, maintaining stable pricing and credit discipline. He confirmed that April transactions proceeded as planned and noted a strong pipeline of new buyers. Sanborn also affirmed that the PPNR guidance reflects higher revenue offset by increased investments in marketing, technology, and personnel, while noting that underlying credit performance remains strong.

William Ryan asked for the key drivers behind the Q1 PPNR guidance being lower than Q4 results and inquired about the current competitive landscape for originations.

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CFO Andrew LaBenne identified an increase in marketing spend to ramp up acquisition channels as the primary driver for the Q1 PPNR guidance, adding that Q4 revenue benefited from a large loan sale and favorable marks that are not assumed to repeat. CEO Scott Sanborn stated that the competitive landscape has not materially shifted, noting that LendingClub's focus on efficiency has led to a conversion rate on aggregator platforms that is roughly double that of competitors.

William Ryan from Seaport Research Partners asked for elaboration on the potential tax benefits from the HR1 bill and their expected impact on Farm and Ranch loan demand. He also posed a qualitative question about the future of renewable energy production given tax credit phase-outs and whether Congress might need to revisit the policy. Lastly, he requested an update on the impact of tariffs and the progress of market facilitation payments to farmers.

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President & CEO, Bradford Nordholm, stated that the HR1 tax provision is expected to be neutral to Farmer Mac's earnings but beneficial for farmers. He also provided a detailed view on renewable energy, suggesting fundamental demand from data centers will drive new projects even without tax credits. Executive VP & Chief Business Officer, Zachary Carpenter, addressed tariffs, noting the situation remains uncertain with varied impacts by commodity, but highlighted that government relief payments and program safety nets are providing support to farmers' income.

William Ryan from Seaport Research Partners asked for more details on the potential tax benefits from the HR1 bill and its impact on Farm and Ranch loan demand. He also posed a qualitative question about the future of renewable energy policy given tax credit phase-outs and rising power demand, and requested an update on the impact of trade tariffs and farmer support payments.

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President & CEO, Bradford Nordholm, explained that the HR1 tax provision (ACRE) is expected to be neutral for Farmer Mac's earnings but positive for farmers. On renewables, he noted that despite policy headwinds, fundamental demand from data centers will likely drive new projects even without tax credits. Executive VP & Chief Business Officer, Zachary Carpenter, addressed tariffs, describing an uncertain but varied impact by commodity, and noted that government support payments are helping sustain farm income through the volatility.

William Ryan of Seaport Research Partners asked for more details on the potential tax benefits from the HR1 legislation and its impact on loan demand. He also posed a qualitative question about the future of renewable energy policy given tax credit phase-outs and inquired about the ongoing impact of tariffs and the status of market facilitation payments to farmers.

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President & CEO Bradford Nordholm described the HR1 tax provision as neutral to Farmer Mac's earnings but beneficial for farmers. On renewables, he noted that fundamental demand from data centers and long lead times for other energy sources suggest projects will continue even without credits. Executive VP & Chief Business Officer Zachary Carpenter addressed tariffs, stating the impact is uncertain and varies by commodity, but government support programs are providing a significant safety net for farmers, with 2025 net cash farm income expected to be high due to these payments.

William Ryan of Seaport Research Partners asked for more detail on the HR1 bill's potential tax benefits for agricultural loans and its impact on loan demand. He also questioned the long-term viability of renewable energy production post-tax credit phase-outs and inquired about the ongoing effects of trade tariffs and government support payments to farmers.

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President & CEO Bradford Nordholm stated the HR1 tax provision (ACRE) is expected to be neutral for Farmer Mac's earnings but beneficial for farmers. Regarding renewables, he highlighted that fundamental demand from data centers and long lead times for other energy sources will likely drive new projects even without tax credits. Executive VP & Chief Business Officer Zachary Carpenter addressed tariffs, noting the situation is uncertain and varies by commodity. He mentioned that government support, including disaster relief and programs in HR1, provides a safety net for farmers during this volatile period.

William Ryan from Seaport Research Partners asked for elaboration on the potential tax benefits from the HR1 bill, its impact on loan demand, and the long-term outlook for renewable energy given policy shifts. He also requested an update on the effects of tariffs.

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President & CEO Bradford Nordholm stated the HR1 tax provision is expected to be neutral for Farmer Mac but beneficial for farmers. He expressed confidence in the long-term demand for renewable energy, driven by data centers, despite policy headwinds. Executive VP & Chief Business Officer Zachary Carpenter noted that while tariffs create uncertainty, government support programs and new trade opportunities are mitigating factors for farmers.

William Ryan asked a macro question about the potential impact of agricultural tariffs, referencing the 2017-2018 period, and a micro question about the dynamics driving the net effective spread (NES) across Farmer Mac's various business lines.

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President and CEO Bradford Nordholm explained that during the first Trump administration, market facilitation payments offset tariff impacts and that similar subsidy programs are being discussed now. He noted that while tariffs on China are shifting trade, government support is expected to bolster farm income. Executive Zachary Carpenter then detailed the NES dynamics, attributing Farm & Ranch strength to high volume, Corporate Ag to high credit spreads on prior purchases, and noting that Broadband and Renewable Energy spreads were impacted by unfunded construction loans and market volatility, respectively, though dollar contributions remain strong.

William Ryan asked for an update on a potential new securitization product and questioned the drivers behind the quarter's elevated G&A expenses.

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President and CEO Bradford Nordholm confirmed that Farmer Mac is exploring securitizing renewable energy loans and third-party originated farm loans, but no announcements are pending. CFO Aparna Ramesh explained that higher G&A expenses were driven by one-time legal fees for new business lines and costs related to completing the STARS technology initiative, and she does not expect this to be a new run rate.

William Ryan from Seaport Research Partners asked about the potential impact of a return to trade tariffs, referencing the 2018 scenario, and requested further details on the new securitization product Farmer Mac is developing.

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President and CEO Bradford Nordholm explained that the net effect of potential tariffs is difficult to predict due to other factors like the strong dollar and potential offsetting policies. CFO Aparna Ramesh detailed that the new securitization initiative is a strategic pivot from a financing tool to a product strategy, aiming to provide capital efficiency for partners and shift Farmer Mac's revenue from net effective spread to fee income.

William Ryan of Seaport Research Partners inquired about the drivers behind marketing expenses coming in below expectations and asked about the cause for the sequential decline in the consumer portfolio's yield.

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CFO Steven Cunningham explained that marketing spend was slightly lower due to softer-than-anticipated consumer originations, which was partially offset by strength in the SMB segment. Regarding the consumer yield, Cunningham clarified that the decline was due to a shift in the mix of consumer products, which have varying APR ranges, rather than specific credit adjustments. He projected the yield would stabilize around 115% to 120% for the remainder of the year.

William Ryan asked about the potential impact of eliminating the Grad PLUS loan program on the private sector, Navient's product differentiation, and the increased provision expense driven by rising delinquencies.

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CEO David L. Yowan stated it's premature to predict the impact of proposed legislative changes but affirmed Navient's confidence in its Earnest model for the graduate cohort. Yowan attributed rising delinquencies to broader macroeconomic pressures and the normalization of repayment behavior post-pandemic, emphasizing proactive borrower assistance and adequate provisioning.

William Ryan inquired about Navient's operational capacity to increase lending if government programs like Grad PLUS are privatized and asked for a more precise timeline for the elimination of transition-related expenses, including any potential spillover into 2026.

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CFO Joe Fisher affirmed that Navient has the necessary products, customer experience, and financial capacity to handle significantly greater loan volumes, particularly in the graduate student market. Regarding expenses, Fisher stated that while some transition service agreements (TSAs) could extend, the company is roughly 50% of the way toward its goal, with key TSAs expected to wind down during the first half of 2025.

William Ryan inquired about Navient's expense reduction targets for 2025 and the potential for releasing capital from securitizations currently in early amortization.

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CEO David L. Yowan confirmed the company is on pace to achieve an annualized expense run rate better than the initial $200 million target, noting that some temporary transition service agreement (TSA) costs will phase out by mid-2025. CFO Joe Fisher added that the company evaluates calling securitizations on a case-by-case basis, depending on economic conditions, to release trapped cash from trusts that have entered their full turbo amortization phase.

Bill Ryan asked for clarification on the revisions to the expected life-of-loan cash flows from both the FFELP and consumer loan portfolios, and also inquired if the current quarterly expense level is a good baseline for the near term.

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CFO Joe Fisher explained that the reduction in future cash flows for both portfolios is due to accelerated cash receipts in the current period. For the consumer portfolio, this was driven by refinancing activities, and for the FFELP portfolio, by elevated prepayments. Fisher confirmed that the Q2 operating expense level of $154 million is a reasonable baseline for the next two quarters, pending the BPS divestiture, though he noted some seasonality related to in-school originations.

William Ryan asked about the reasons for the reduction in expected life-of-loan cash flows from both the FFELP and consumer loan portfolios, as shown in the appendix, and the key assumptions in the updated outlook.

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CFO Joe Fisher explained that for the consumer portfolio, the change was due to refinancing activities that accelerated over $300 million of cash into the current period. For the FFELP portfolio, the reduction in outer-year cash flows is a direct result of elevated prepayments pulling cash forward. He clarified that while the EPS guidance assumes high prepayments continue, the appendix cash flow slide does not.