ABM Industries - Earnings Call - Q2 2016
June 9, 2016
Transcript
Speaker 0
Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the ABM Industries Second Quarter Fiscal Year twenty sixteen Conference Call. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Susie Choi, Head of Investor Relations. Ma'am, you
Speaker 1
may begin. Thank you all for joining us this morning. With us today are Scott Salmirs, our President and Chief Executive Officer and Anthony Scaglione, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. We issued our press release yesterday afternoon announcing our second quarter fiscal twenty sixteen financial results. A copy of this release and an accompanying presentation can be found on our corporate website.
Before we begin, I would like to remind you that our presentation today contains predictions, estimates and other forward looking statements. Our use of the words estimate, expect and similar expressions are intended to identify these statements. These statements represent our current judgment of what the future holds. While we believe them to be reasonable, these statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially. These factors are described in a slide that accompanies our presentation.
During the course of this presentation, certain non GAAP financial information will be presented. A reconciliation of those numbers to GAAP financial measures is available at the end of the presentation and on the company's website under Investor tab. I would now like to turn the call over to Scott.
Speaker 2
Thanks, Susie. Good morning and thanks to everyone for joining today's call. By now, I'm sure you all had a chance to review last night's press release discussing our fiscal twenty sixteen second quarter results. Before I get into the details of the quarter, I want to share with you where we are on our 2020 vision journey. I'm happy to report that we are tracking extremely well on our transformation plan, which we presented at our Investor Day in October.
Last month, we officially completed what we have communicated as the first phase of our 2020 Vision transformation. Phase one's primary focus was to design an organization that would support our new go to market strategy by industry group rather than by service line. What that means in real terms is that the organizational design is complete. We have people in seats and we have officially established our industry groups with new reporting lines and roles within each group. Organization With the completion of Phase one, we have now delivered on our 2020 Vision savings target for the 2016.
Actually, we're at the high end of our projections with approximately $6,000,000 in savings realized year to date. Actually, This shows that we are already seeing benefits on the cost side of our organizational restructure. This positions us to achieve realized savings at the higher end of the 10,000,000 to $20,000,000 target for the full year and we continue to expect to achieve our 40,000,000 to $50,000,000 run rate margin improvement by the 2017. Additionally, as part of Phase one, we commenced several foundational activities that will accelerate in the coming months. This includes initiating our shared services infrastructure and beginning our procurement activity.
Both have begun to develop and will bring long term value to the business. We're now entering Phase two, where we will create a uniform sales and operational framework that will be codified across the enterprise. This includes developing account planning programs for each of our clients, implementing detailed labor management methodologies, creating process tools and providing enhanced learning and training for our people. The timing of Phase two activities will extend well into fiscal year twenty seventeen as planned. One key activity I'd like to highlight in Phase two will be a focus on full account migration into our newly defined industry groups, in essence aligning accounts that were in our on-site business into each of the individual industry groups.
We will be transitioning accounts over the next several months, so we are fully operating and serving our clients within our new structure. The account migration process is anticipated to be fully completed by the 2017. I mentioned this on our last call, but I believe it's important to reiterate that our transformation requires a tremendous amount of effort and diligence from our employees and our leadership team. I'm so proud of how we continue to prove our ability to grow our business and execute financially while simultaneously managing this transition. Before I get into our operational performance, I want discuss the increase of our full year guidance outlook to $1.55 to $1.65 Our increase is due to timing of savings associated with 2020 Vision and other strategic project investments that have not yet occurred.
I'd like to give you a bit more clarity on what that specifically means. As we were going through our organizational design process in Phase one, we identified areas of investment in order to support our new structure and goals. Some of this was difficult to predetermine and some projects were purposefully put on hold prior to the organizational design being completed. As an example, we have created and designed a learning and development organization within our HR business function. We do not have those specific skill sets in house and will need to go to the outside to source that talent, which could take time.
This was no way able to be anticipated prior to the outset of the transformation. While we will proceed with all of our identified investments, it's difficult to determine exactly when some of these expenses will be incurred. We have raised our guidance outlook to account for the timing associated with these investments. That being said, we are moving forward in many areas including bringing on new talent. And on that note, I'm very excited announce that we've been able to fill several important roles this quarter.
This includes our new Chief Information Officer, Bill Popper. Bill joins us from W. Carey, where he was the CIO of that $10,000,000,000 global real estate investment trust. We also brought on Richard Chalker who joins us as Senior Vice President of Strategy and Transformation. Richard was most recently the co head of Global Corporate Real Estate for Morgan Stanley, both two great hires for the firm.
Now let's discuss our second quarter. Anthony will go into more financial detail in a minute, but at a high level, I'm pleased with this quarter's execution. We demonstrated strength in the top line, primarily driven by organic growth and supported by incremental revenues from our technical services acquisitions. For our janitorial segment, we saw expansion of business with several of our top clients. We had new customer wins in education Carolina's Anderson County School District and at Paradise Valley Unified School District in Arizona.
We also had a terrific win in our sports and entertainment business with Nationals Park, which is the home of Major League Baseball's Washington Nationals. Our AIDS Technical Services business demonstrated an outstanding quarter with strong revenue growth and we expect this performance to continue throughout the remainder of the year. However, keep going into Q3 and Q4 year over year comparisons may not be as material as AIDS performed extremely well in the 2015 as opposed to the first half of twenty fifteen where they had a slower start. In our air serve business, we continue to see double digit revenue growth. Some of this growth was due to expansion in our major markets.
And not unlike a startup of a new piece of business, this takes time to properly staff and scale, so we had some impact on short term margins this quarter. Regarding our overall profitability for the firm, when taking into account the estimated impact of insurance and one extra working day during the quarter, we are delivering on our internal expectations for the first half of the year. So our business is performing well. We are on track with our transformation plan and we are managing the growth and profitability of our business as we progress. All key indicators that our 2020 vision strategy is beginning to take hold are coming to fruition.
Lastly,
Speaker 3
I'd
Speaker 2
like to share a personal note. Two weeks ago, we held our first twenty twenty Vision Planning Conference with the senior leadership team that emanated from our organizational redesign in Phase one. I was genuinely moved by the excitement and commitment our employees have for our 2020 vision. I was also able to share with them that we've entered the Fortune 500 for the first time in our company's history, a true milestone for a 100 year old firm. I've always communicated that we are transforming our business from position of strength and being included in the Fortune 500 underscores that fact.
I've been at the firm just over thirteen years now and I can tell you that I have never seen such enthusiasm and hearty discussion around the future opportunity for this company. It is clear to me that we have the right strategy, the right team, and over time we will be even more aligned with our clients' needs to help them solve their problems. So thank you again. And with that, I'll hand the call over to Anthony for further details on our financial performance.
Speaker 4
Thank you, Scott, and good morning, everyone. As Scott described, we have now created the organizational design that will enable realize our 2020 vision strategy. We are all excited to begin operating under this new structure and I look forward to sharing our progress with all of you moving forward. Today, I will review our performance for the second quarter and discuss our revised guidance. I'd like to remind everyone that I will be referring to the results from continuing operations, which exclude the sale of our security business.
Now for a review of the second quarter, which is described in today's earnings presentation that I will refer to periodically. Revenues for the quarter were up 6.9% versus last year, driven by organic growth of 4% and roughly $34,000,000 of revenues from acquisitions, which are primarily reflected Building and Energy Solutions segment. We ended the quarter with adjusted EBITDA of $46,000,000 and an adjusted EBITDA margin of 3.7%, which we believe was a strong end to the first half of the fiscal year given the expected impact of insurance and one extra working day during the quarter. Higher margin tag revenue in janitorial and higher revenue contribution from the Abe business partially offset these additional expenses. The quarter also benefited from the 2020 Vision savings, which Scott referred to earlier.
Adjusted income from continuing operations was $17,700,000 or $0.31 per diluted share compared to $19,000,000 or $0.33 per diluted share last year. While I will discuss our revised guidance outlook shortly, I would like to note that we remain on track to achieve a run rate of 40,000,000 to $50,000,000 in operational efficiencies related to our 2020 vision by the 2017. However, we are currently benefiting from savings related to Phase one and other strategic project investments that have not yet occurred. Therefore, while our long term projections remain intact, we expect to realize greater in year savings in 2016. Before I discuss our segment results for the quarter, I'd like to note that the results of our operations were negatively impacted by insurance and additionally for janitorial, we had one extra working day.
As we have discussed extensively in the past, we have made structural improvements to our approach to risk and safety, which is now under one common leadership. We also created an executive risk and safety committee and risk and safety metrics are now a component of our incentive compensation plan. We are fully committed to managing insurance costs going forward. Now turning to slide five of today's presentation. To note 2020 savings positively contributed to segment operating results.
For janitorial, revenues increased 4.1% versus last year and operating margins were 5.1%. Margins benefited from the increased scope of work at some of our top including additional tag revenue. Facility services revenues decreased 1.9% or $2,800,000 and operating margins were 4.8% versus last year, benefiting from an improved contract mix. Parking continues to demonstrate good top line growth, generating over 7% increase in revenues versus last year. But similar to last quarter, this segment continues to experience some challenges.
Operating margins decreased 3.8% versus last year due to higher costs associated with certain clients and contract conversions from managed lease location arrangements. Before I dive into the greater detail of BESG, I wanted to remind everyone that BESG is comprised of AIDs, our technical service business, healthcare and government. Much of the momentum in BSG is being driven by our AIDS business, which continued to perform well in Q2. I do want to point out though that this business experienced certain challenges during the first half of last year and ramped up to a very strong 2015. Therefore, while on a full year basis, we continue to expect growth in aid based on a strong pipeline of project related work, we expect growth rates to normalize in the back half of this year.
Building and Energy Solutions revenues increased 25.9% versus last year, which included $32,100,000 of revenue related to acquisitions. Operating margins were impacted by specific reserves established for client receivable that is no longer probable of collection and lower equity earnings from unconsolidated affiliates, which are both related to our government business. Finally, revenues for our air serve increased by 13900000.00.5%, driven by strength in our U. S. Operations related to passenger assist and cabin cleaning services.
Operating margins increased 10 basis points to 3.2% versus last year, primarily due to lower amortization expense. Turning to liquidity, for the quarter our cash from continuing operations increased $20,000,000 The improvement in cash flow was primarily due to timing of collections and taxes paid. We ended the quarter with total debt including standby letters of credit of $336,500,000 and our total debt to pro form a adjusted EBITDA was roughly 1.6 times. During the quarter, we repurchased approximately 300,000 shares of common stock for $10,000,000 and as of April 3036, there was approximately $167,000,000 of availability remaining under our $200,000,000 share repurchase program. And finally, the Board has approved ABM's two hundred and first consecutive dividend of $0.01 $65 per share payable on 08/01/2016 to stockholders of record on 07/07/2016.
Now, I'll turn to our guidance outlook. As I referenced earlier, due to the timing of actions which also assumed amount of expected attrition and investments related to our 2020 vision and other strategic enterprise wide projects, for the remainder of the year, we expect to realize savings in excess of what was originally planned. While we anticipate these expenses to materialize in the future, it is difficult to determine exactly when these expenses will be incurred. Operationally, we are pleased to have delivered solid results for the second consecutive quarter during which we designed our new organizational structure. There is an immense amount of transition as we all prepare to operate under this new design in 2017.
We are pleased to be closing the first half of the year in a continued position of strength and we look forward to demonstrating additional progress in the coming months. Highlighted earlier, we are raising our full year 2016 guidance range for adjusted income from continuing operations to $1.55 to $1.65 per share compared to our previous guidance range of 1.5 to $1.6 per share. Operator, we are now ready for questions.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our first question is from David Gold with Sidoti. You may begin.
Speaker 5
Hi, good morning.
Speaker 2
Good morning. Good morning, David.
Speaker 5
Couple of questions for you. First, on the janitorial side, pleased to see the 4% growth there and it looks like nice pickup in tag work. Can you speak a little trends there as far as two things really. One, on the growth, how much of it is existing clients versus say new wins or whether you consider market share gains? And then second, if you can give us some insight as to where we are on TAG as far as any sort of way goalposts you can give us there as to how to think about how that's progressing?
Speaker 2
Yeah, sure, David. So the way I think about this in terms of contract expansion organic versus existing. I think it's a mix of both. Don't think there's anything that really sticks out as making a trend one way or the other. I think for us, it's more about a heightened awareness with our team that tags, generally speaking, higher revenue, higher margin opportunities for the enterprise and just people are attuned to it.
And so I don't necessarily think, again, there's any real trend in terms of whether it's new wins or existing contracts.
Speaker 6
And for TAG, just to add on that, for the first half, it was up 7% year over year, but it's really it's a Q1, Q2 benefits from event driven activity like snow removal year end event. So we expect a slowdown overall in the second half traditionally, but still a focus. And safe to consider TAG, what we'd like to target is roughly around 4% of overall revenues to come from TAG that's historically been the benchmark. So we're trending very well to that benchmark.
Speaker 5
Excellent, excellent. Thanks. And then if we can shift gears for a second towards the transformation. Sounds like some very positive success. Signs And just curious there if you can speak a little bit more towards, in your tone and in your commentary, very positive on seeing the upside or the high side of the upside.
Where did we see the, let's say, what were the positive surprises, if you will, in there that, helped give us that confidence?
Speaker 2
I think the good news is there weren't any major surprises. And I would say that positive and negative. I think for us it's about discipline and planning and execution. And we were as expected. And we have high standards for ourselves and we're executing on that.
I think that's if anything, Dave, think that's the big story here is that we're executing without surprises.
Speaker 5
Perfect. One last, if I can sneak it in. Anthony, there was commentary in there about a receivable that you're now viewing as, let's say, more negative and reserved for. Can you just give some color? Was that a bankruptcy or a dispute or just No.
Speaker 4
That was actually
Speaker 6
a receivable from work that we performed many years ago. Actually it was in 2011, 2012 timeframe that we were in litigation with the customer around the collectability of receivable and the payment of receivable based on contractual terms. So it's write off non cash associated with it. We felt that that was a conservative position to take as part of the overall enterprise.
Speaker 5
Got you. Okay. So it's not something that we should be we shouldn't see many more of those presumably.
Speaker 6
No, because I think if you look at our cash flow for the quarter and for the year, first half, we're still laser focused on DSO and we feel really good about the cash flow.
Speaker 4
Thanks, David. Thanks.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question is from Joe Box with KeyBanc Capital Markets. You may begin.
Speaker 3
Hey, good morning, guys.
Speaker 6
Hey, Joe. How are you?
Speaker 3
Pretty good. Thanks. So I appreciate the commentary on the investments that haven't occurred. Anthony, can you maybe just give us a little bit more color on how much the tailwind from the lack of investments could be to the 2016 guidance? I'm just trying to parse that out relative to the strong quarter that you guys posted.
Speaker 7
Sure. So in the first half, we realized
Speaker 6
roughly $6,000,000 of savings associated with 2020. And as we look out for the balance of the year, obviously, we have a cadence of hiring and execution of some of the projects that Scott articulated earlier. And we expect roughly $20,000,000 of realized by year end with the run rate heading into FY 2017 above what we initially expected. But again, it's really a pull forward from a timing perspective. So I think the balance of the year, we feel good about where we are overall.
And with the cadence of our investments hiring, we expect to be where we put out from a guidance standpoint.
Speaker 3
Maybe I'm not fully understanding the commentary of that. To me, it sounded like there was an investment that supposed to be made in the back half of the year and that would have been a drag to earnings and that's not happening now?
Speaker 6
No, it's happening. Yes. I think
Speaker 4
So it's
Speaker 3
not happening to the same degree?
Speaker 6
Yeah. So it's just timing. So if you can envision when we embarked on the 2020 vision, a lot of it is based on when we expected the organizational design to be complete, the investments that we're gonna make. You know, Scott mentioned investments in our learning and development. That's all planned out.
So we still anticipate making those investments, but when we initially provided guidance back at the end of the last year, we had a timeline associated with both the exits out from an organizational cost perspective and the investments in and it's just a timing in terms of the investments in. So we're fully committed to making those investments. And with those investments, it matches where we anticipated the margin increase overall for 2020 as it relates to organizational design.
Speaker 2
Yeah. And a more tangible example of that is, we searching for a new CIO and that took some time. So until Bill Popper came on, we weren't going to start with some of the IT investments we may have planned till we got our new CIO in place, which we just did. So it's generally things like that, Joe.
Speaker 3
Okay. And would that generally comprise the full $05 increase to the guide?
Speaker 8
Yes, yes.
Speaker 3
Okay, perfect. That's what was looking for. Thank you. And then you guys mentioned tough comps in BESG and the expectation for it to normalize. Is the expectation that it settles back into a normal growth rate?
Or are we looking at tough comps from the prior year and it's potentially down on an organic basis in the
Speaker 6
Yes. No, I think tough comps is probably too harsh of a word. If you recall last year, our first half results for BSG, specifically on the eight that's what we're really speaking to is the technical service side. They had a tough first half and they overachieved the second half. So what we expect for the second half is still growth, but on a year over year basis that growth is going to be less than what we've seen in the first half, but still growth.
So we're still very committed to the plan. The pipeline is strong. It's just the second half year over year growth is not going to be as dramatic as the first half.
Speaker 2
But still kind of the actual nominal results will be really strong.
Speaker 3
Perfect. Thank you. And then last one just solid free cash flow or cash flow in the quarter, some nice debt pay down. Looks like your leverage ratio is now below the historical target range. Can you maybe just give us an update on priorities for cash as you guys navigate through the restructuring process?
Speaker 6
Yes. So I think we still remain committed to investing in the business. Obviously, 2020 vision and the execution will have a timing component as it relates to cash flow. We're still looking at targeted acquisitions as part of a complement to our portfolio. And then from a distribution standpoint, we laid out a fairly disciplined approach to share buyback depending on the cadence of the cash flow and the cascading of the waterfall where we deploy that cash flow.
We may accelerate the share buyback, but at this point, we still feel pretty good about what we put out back at Investor Day.
Speaker 3
Got it. Thanks guys.
Speaker 4
Thank you. Thanks, Chuck.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question is from Jeff Kessler with Imperial Capital. You may begin.
Speaker 7
Thank you and thank you for taking the question. How are doing guys?
Speaker 6
Good, how are you?
Speaker 7
Can we drill down a little bit into BESG, a little bit between the divisions and whether or not you see any areas in which you could expand that business into some other vertical markets.
Speaker 2
Yeah, so if you look at BSG and what it's composed of, it's government, healthcare and AIDS, which is our technical services. And you know how high we are on our technical services AIDS business with that growth. So we're feeling great about that. Healthcare is broken out now into one of our verticals as is government. And I think there's just a lot of trajectory.
If you think about our healthcare business, which is in between the 100,000,000 and $200,000,000 range in revenue, there's a whole host of competitors that are in the $1,000,000,000 $2,000,000,000 range. And the trends in healthcare with outsourcing and finding value unlocking dollars, I think really plays in our favor. So I think the economics around being in the healthcare sector are really strong and in our favor, especially as we go into our new industry group vertical. And government's doing well. They have their bumps because there's a lot of timing related to how the government procures services in a cycle.
Cycle. And, you know, we're feeling good about that too. But we just feel like in each of these verticals, as part of 2020 vision, that's where we're acceleration. That's why we've picked those industry groups.
Speaker 6
And then from an AIPS perspective, technical services, know, we had phenomenal organic growth in the quarter, of roughly 25%. And if you look at where that growth is really coming from and who their end users are as it relates to some of the project level work, energy efficiency related work. It's really strong in the education sector. So as we move into the verticals or industry groups and we define education, we see great opportunity for the aids pull through
Speaker 2
That's Yeah,
Speaker 7
that's kind what I wanted to drill down into is that the technical services, what areas specifically, are driving that growth in technical services? You've just gone into education and that's what I'm trying to get to is what other areas could support, you know, I'm not so interested in the year over year, the comps because the comps get tougher, but to maintain that level of trajectory for technical services, what other verticals are appearing for you that look strong?
Speaker 2
So for us, I think aviation could be really powerful. We have not cross hauled into that industry group yet. So I think that's big. Government is a big piece of the Abe's business right now. And we haven't done cross selling in that as well.
And then high-tech with the Silicon Valley relationships type firms that we have, we think there's great opportunity with all the data center work that they do. So we think from a cross selling standpoint, if you look at each of the industry groups are unique and have unique needs. But the way we've structured this is that and the way you should think about it, for each industry group, they have a single point of contact with an aide single point of contact just working on cross selling and accelerating the revenue base of technical services.
Speaker 7
Okay. I just wanted to follow-up on the question on your leverage. Obviously the leverage is below your long term target. And you've talked about, you know, the priorities of where you're going to spend the cash. On the acquisition front, are there, is this going to be a continuation of finding niches or just opportunities in various areas or are there certain new fields or certain verticals that you do not have right now that you are looking at?
Speaker 6
Yeah, so what we did, we took a deliberate pause as part of the twentytwenty vision. As you can imagine, going through this process, we had a lot of transition both from a people standpoint and also from a market standpoint. So our objective with M and A is to continue to build our technical services capabilities by defined markets and we have an internal heat map around where we'd like to grow the technical services business by geography and also by service line. As it relates to the industry groups, at this point, we do not expect to continue to add additional services. However, when we go through the industry group analysis and we really stand them up and begin to operate in that industry group, we'll see if there's a gap in our portfolio for a service that we may not have today and whether we should look to grow that organically grow that through acquisition.
But it's too early to tell, at this point.
Speaker 2
Yeah, I think this is going to end up being a pretty dynamic process for us as we develop our business plans and our strategies go to market and see where we have gaps in services but also geographies.
Speaker 7
All right, great. Thank you very much. Thanks.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question is from George Tong with Piper Jaffray. You may begin. George, your line is open. Please check your mute button.
Speaker 8
Hi, thanks. Good morning. You indicated that some investment projects are being put on hold. Can you discuss whether the delays in investments may result in timing delays in terms of realized cost savings?
Speaker 6
Yes, it's not so much timing delays and realized cost savings. So when we set out our plan, we had defined specific areas where we knew we had to invest. So as part of the timing, we're getting the benefit of those potential delays. So it's really a pull forward of savings as we deploy and as we continue to build out our organizational structure and make those investments. It'll normalize and go back to our original range of savings and range of targeted margin improvement.
So there's no anticipated increase or decrease overall. It's just a timing delay.
Speaker 2
Yeah. And I think the way you have to think about it with timing, we started on this journey a year ago and we put up kind of our anticipated spend. And a lot of it was aspirational, lot of it was early planning. So to get to the specificity of quarter by quarter deployment is really hard, especially a year ago. So I think we're thinking more long term and making long term investments, medium term investments, and we are on track for that.
But on a quarter by quarter basis, you know, it would be a tough time for us to kind of navigate that and answer to that quarter by quarter. So it makes it difficult.
Speaker 8
Yep, makes sense. So phase two of your 2020 vision plan includes actions around, account planning and labor management. Are you anticipating or do you anticipate any potential sales force disruptions as, accounts are transitioned and as you continue to push forward with your verticalized strategy?
Speaker 2
So look, execution, we always said there's execution risk in phase two because you are migrating accounts and relationships. And people that were kind of, in charge of a particular account at ABM are now transitioning it to other folks. And that's not happening for every single account. Maybe it'll affect a smaller portion of accounts, but it's what we're used to. We happen to be good at this.
It's not unusual even before 2020 Vision for people to change accounts as we've grown our business and reshuffle. So it's something that, again, I think we happen to be good at, but this is a different scale, right? Because it's happening across the entire enterprise. So, for us, it's all about planning and being deliberate about each step in the transition. So, we're hoping and we deeply believe that we'll be able to execute as flawlessly as we have in the past to get us to this point.
So we're very confident in the team.
Speaker 8
Got it. And lastly, as you push forward with your transformation plan, can you discuss the amount of potential increase in cross selling, particularly with your janitorial segment versus your other segments as under your more verticalized strategy, how much increased scope of work in cross selling we may see in revenue performance?
Speaker 2
I think it's much it's early days, right? We just got into our industry groups a couple of weeks ago. So it's hard to tell. I think over time, we'll be able to define that better. But if you think about the organizing concept around moving to industry groups, I think it's really two things, right?
It's getting closer to our customer and understanding their business. But it's just a better vehicle for us to deploy all of our services. Because before, if you were in the janitorial division, there wasn't as much incentive to cross sell a different services. Now, if you're in business and industry, you're not thinking of yourself specifically in a service line. So you're thinking about your customer and you're thinking about how do you deploy all of our services for a customer.
And it'll be the first time in our history, right, that we've had this approach. So I think there's going to be great cross sell opportunities. But to put an actual number to it, I think, again, it's early days as we just stood up these industry groups.
Speaker 8
Got it, thank you.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question is a follow-up from Jeff Kessler with Imperial Capital. You may begin.
Speaker 7
Just one quick question, cleanup question on your taxes. Is there a differential between your cash taxes and your provided for taxes?
Speaker 6
Yeah. I think one of the things from a cash tax perspective you have to take in consideration is the captive. So that's going to generate 15,000,000 to $20,000,000 of cash tax benefit that won't reflect necessarily in the effective tax rate.
Speaker 7
Okay. Great. Thank you.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next follow-up is from Joe Box with KeyBanc Capital Markets. You may begin.
Speaker 3
Yes, just one quick follow-up for you. Do you have the number or the percentage of salesmen or relationship managers that were allocated new accounts? Just trying to understand, is it 50% of your salespeople that were allocated new accounts? Is it 25%? Maybe how that number typically trends.
Speaker 2
Yeah. We just don't track it that way yet. Again, and this is all new days for us as we move into the industry groups, but historically we haven't tracked it.
Speaker 6
Our dedicated salespeople, so when we talk about accounts, we're really referencing the operators. Our dedicated salespeople have been historically agnostic to service line or agnostic to industry. So that's gonna be less of an impact specifically. It's really the operators and some of the transition and as Scott mentioned earlier, you know, there's gonna be some of that, but it's not a 100% shift. It's negligible.
Speaker 3
I mean, would you say directionally it's north of 50%?
Speaker 6
Yeah, it's hard to tell, Joe, to be honest with you. You know, effectively, you know, we're going through this process, people are in their seats, we're providing the transition. So some of the people that are in new seats are gonna be bringing over the client base in that particular industry group, and others that are in new seats are going to be transitioning. So it's hard to say, I don't think it's gonna be as high as 50% is probably less than that, but don't want to give a number without more fact based at this point.
Speaker 3
Got it. Thank you. Thank
Speaker 0
you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to company management for closing remarks.
Speaker 2
Okay, great. Thank you. Well, thanks everybody for joining. Hopefully you're getting the sense that you have an enthusiastic and excited management team here. We're energized about 2020 Vision and where it's taken the firm.
And with that, I'd just say enjoy your summer. And we look forward to reporting back to you with our next quarter's results in September. Thank you.
Speaker 0
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day.