Axcelis Technologies - Q2 2023
August 3, 2023
Transcript
Operator (participant)
Good day, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Axcelis Technologies call to discuss the company's results for the second quarter. My name is Shannon McLeod, I will be your coordinator for today. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. We will be facilitating a question and answer session towards the end of this conference. If at any time during the call you require assistance, please press star followed by 0, a coordinator will be happy to assist you. I would now like to turn the presentation over to your host for today's call, Doug Lawson, Executive Vice President of Corporate Marketing and Strategy. Please proceed.
Doug Lawson (EVP of Corporate Marketing and Strategy)
Thank you, operator. This is Doug Lawson, Executive Vice President of Corporate Marketing and Strategy, and with me today is Russell Low, President and CEO, and Kevin Brewer, Executive Vice President and CFO. If you have not seen a copy of our press release issued yesterday, it is available on our website. Playback service will also be available on our website, as described in our press release. Please note that comments made today about our expectations for future revenues, profits, and other results are forward-looking statements under the SEC safe harbor provision. These forward-looking statements are based on management's current expectations and are subject to the risks inherent in our business. These risks are described in detail in our Form 10-K annual report and other SEC filings, which we urge you to review. Our actual results may differ materially from our current expectations.
We do not assume any obligation to update these forward-looking statements. Now I'll turn the call over to President and CEO, Russell Low.
Russell Low (President and CEO)
Good morning, thank you for joining us for our second quarter 2023 earnings call. Demand for the Purion product family continues to be extremely strong, especially in the high-growth silicon carbide power segment. Revenue for the second quarter was $274 million, with earnings per share of $1.86. Backlog remained high at $1.2 billion, with quarterly systems bookings of $193 million, also driven by Purion demand and strength in the power market. For the third quarter of 2023, we expect revenue of approximately $280 million, gross margin of roughly 44%, operating profit of around $64 million, and earnings per share of approximately $1.72. We are raising our forecasted 2023 revenue by $70 million to greater than $1.1 billion.
This represents year-over-year revenue growth of approximately 20% in a year in which overall WFE is expected to decrease by 20%-30%. We also believe it's possible to achieve $1.3 billion in revenue in the next one or two years, depending on market conditions. The mature process technology market continues to be an area of strength for Axcelis, with 93% of second quarter system shipments going to mature foundry logic customers and 7% to memory customers composed entirely of DRAM. The geographic mix of our system shipments in the second quarter was China, 56%, the U.S., 13%, Korea, 10%, Europe, 9%, Taiwan, 2%, Japan, 2%, and the rest of the world, 8%.
As has been the case since the beginning of this downturn, the power device segment, and in particular, silicon carbide, continues to drive our growth. We are actively engaged with all our customers in this high growth market segment, winning business from new customers and expanding our footprint in existing customers. We now expect approximately 60% of our shipped system revenue in 2023 to come from this segment, with around 35% of total shipped system revenue coming from silicon carbide applications. We're seeing increased adoption of Purion H200 silicon carbide and Purion XE silicon carbide systems, and now have three Purion H200 silicon carbide evaluations underway with customers in multiple geographies. Two of these systems are 150 millimeter, and one is a 200 millimeter system. These evaluation units give our customers a head start qualifying productivity-limiting recipes as they ramp to high volumes.
It also enables the customer to conduct optimization work on their devices, utilizing the higher energy and dose capabilities of Purion H200 silicon carbide. In 2023, we expect revenue from silicon carbide customers to be spread relatively evenly across the Purion Power Series product family. Axcelis is the only ion implantation company that can deliver complete recipe coverage for all power device applications. We are considered to be the technology leader and the supplier of choice, providing the best product family and manufacturing capabilities. This means that using Axcelis tools provides the lowest risk path to high-volume manufacturing required to support aggressive fab ramp plans. Axcelis places significant value on enabling our customers to succeed in this exciting market by providing differentiated product performance and a high level of customer satisfaction.
As the industry downturn continues, we now estimate that memory will account for less than 10% of our shipped systems revenue and be weighted towards DRAM. We expect the PC market will lead the industry out of this downturn, beginning in the second half of 2024, with 2025 returning to a healthy level of growth in consumer electronics, advanced logic, and memory. While our memory and advanced logic customers are experiencing this downturn, Axcelis remains close to them, supporting their installed base and working with them on their future technology and manufacturing needs. It is during downturns that there is an increased ability to collaborate with our customers to expand opportunities for Axcelis during the next upturn. We have multiple evaluation systems in these markets and many customer engagements designed to increase our footprint in these segments.
As the industry exits this downturn, Axcelis will return to healthy growth in these markets. This, combined with continued strength in the power segment, will drive Axcelis to our $1.3 billion model and beyond. Now I'd like to turn it over to Kevin.
Kevin Brewer (EVP and CFO)
Thank you, Russell. Good morning. We are pleased with our second quarter 2023 financial results and are excited about full-year revenue, which is now expected to exceed $1.1 billion and represents year-over-year growth of approximately 20%. Looking at our second quarter, revenue and earnings per share finished well above guidance due to solid execution and continued strong demand for Purion. Q2 revenue was $274 million, with system revenue at $215.2 million and CS&I at $58.8 million. Q2 earnings per share of $1.86 was significantly above guidance due to higher-than-expected revenues, gross margin, and favorable spending. We also benefited from a much lower effective tax rate this quarter, driven by a tax deduction associated with stock compensation.
Strong bookings and quoting activity for systems in the power segment continued in the quarter, which supports our expectation that approximately 60% of systems revenue shipped will come from this market in 2023. CS&I revenue will fluctuate quarter to quarter, but should be modeled at approximately $248 million for 2023, and $300 million for our $1.3 billion revenue model. Q2 gross margin finished at 43.7% and 170 basis points above guidance, driven by lower costs and deferrals and a slightly improved mix. We expect Q3 gross margin to come in higher at approximately 44% and forecast further gross margin improvements in Q4. Key functions across the business remain laser-focused on margin improvement.
There are numerous initiatives underway to lower the cost of goods and drive higher sales of Purion product extensions, which allows us to model gross margin at approximately 45% in the $1.3 billion revenue model. Turning to OpEx, the second quarter ended at 20.4% of revenue and better than our guidance. We expect OpEx in the third quarter to be approximately 21%. As always, we will continue to tightly control spending while investing in areas of the business that support business growth, solidify our technology advantage in the specialty markets, and increase our footprint in the memory and advanced logic markets. Additionally, we will continue to invest in our employees and infrastructure required to achieve our financial models. One example of infrastructure investment is our new state-of-the-art logistics center in Beverly, Mass, located just a short walk from our headquarters.
The facility will open this month and is expected to be fully operational during Q4. We also plan to further ramp our Beverly and Korean operations as capacity needs grow and are comfortable that we have initiatives in place that support our $1.3 billion revenue model. We ended Q2 with $452.9 million of cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments, and generated $32.7 million of cash from operations. Cash in the quarter was impacted by higher inventory required to support the expected increase in second half revenue. In the quarter, we repurchased $12.5 million of stock and have returned over $157 million in cash to shareholders since 2019 through our share repurchase programs. Axcelis has the rare opportunity to grow revenue and profitability during a significant industry downturn.
This is a result of strong product positioning in a power device market and continued strong execution in a challenging environment. We also look forward to continued growth in memory and advanced logic as the overall semiconductor market recovers. Once again, I want to thank the entire Axcelis team for their continuing outstanding performance. I also want to thank our supply chain partners for their hard work supporting Axcelis and our customers for their confidence in our ability to deliver. I will now turn the call back to Russell for his closing comments.
Russell Low (President and CEO)
Thank you, Kevin. Axcelis expects to achieve revenue of greater than $1.1 billion in 2023, and $1.3 billion over the next 1 or 2 years. This growth is achievable due to the following factors: First, the implant TAM has more than doubled in the last few years and is expected to grow between 10% and 15% annually, with mature market segments representing greater than 60% of the total TAM.
Doug Lawson (EVP of Corporate Marketing and Strategy)
Second, power devices and image sensors are highly implant intensive, and the general mature nodes have increasing implant intensity, peaking at 28 nanometers. Third, high-value Purion product extensions were designed to optimize power and image sensor device manufacturing, making Axcelis the only company with a product line capable of covering all implant recipes in these key markets. Finally, Axcelis has strong long-term customer relationships and a fundamental cultural desire to win by making our customers successful. I want to thank our employees, suppliers, customers, and investors for your continued support. With that, I'd like to open it up for questions.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to ask a question, please press star, followed by 1 1 on your telephone. If your question has been answered or you wish to withdraw your question, please press the pound key. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from Craig Ellis from B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.
Ethan Widell (Analyst)
Hi, this is Ethan Widell calling in for Craig Ellis. Thanks for taking my questions, and congrats on the quarter. The surge in margins is a nice surprise. Does this impact your confidence in hitting 44.5% by fourth quarter and 44% overall for the year? Thank you.
Kevin Brewer (EVP and CFO)
Hi, Ethan. Yeah, this is Kevin. It was, it was a nice surprise in Q2. Part of it came from better costs, as well as a little bit better mix and some of the deferrals. You know, I think on the last call, we had talked about the second half becoming much stronger than our first half to get towards that, that full year target of about 44%. We're on that. You know, probably a little bit of the strength in Q2 took away from Q3 a little bit, but we still think Q3 is up from Q3, or up from Q2. In Q4, I expect to see further improvement off of that, that Q3 number of approximately 44%.
Yeah, so we're still, we're still anticipating being in that 44% range for the full year.
Ethan Widell (Analyst)
Okay, thank you. Are you seeing signs that the high-bandwidth memory strength at SK Hynix and sort of the, that Micron are driving higher Purion driving demand yet?
Doug Lawson (EVP of Corporate Marketing and Strategy)
Yeah. Hey, Ethan, this is Doug. You broke up a little bit, but I, I think you're asking about the high-bandwidth memory. For, for implant, the implant content is similar for any of the DRAM, whether it's HBM or other types. What we see as far as sort of the goodness of the HBM ramp is it starts to bring, bring up the capacity utilization of the memory fabs. You know, that's the first step in getting back to a good CapEx cycle. We see the PC refresh cycle kicking in, as we said, sometime next year, and that will really start to drive memory CapEx spending towards the second half of next year and create a healthy 2025.
Ethan Widell (Analyst)
Got it. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Please stand by. Our next question comes from Jed Dorsheimer from William Blair. Please proceed with your question.
Jed Dorsheimer (Group Head of Energy and Power Technologies)
Hi, thanks for taking my question. Russell, strong, strong one out of the gate, so congratulations on the quarter. I guess, first question, just around your thought process in terms of the guide and, you know, if you're if demand is causing, you know, the pull in, if you will, I'm just wondering, what's your greatest areas of concern that would limit your ability to, to kind of take up that 2-3 year type target? Specifically, you know, how are you monitoring the health in the channels, you know, with respect to globally, but specific to China, that, that we don't see a return to, you know, a healthy used market, which seems to be pretty lean right now? Then I have a follow-up.
Doug Lawson (EVP of Corporate Marketing and Strategy)
Okay. Jed, this is Doug. You know, I think right now, you know, our, our guidance, our, our optimism in terms of raising the full year to $1.1 billion and pulling in the $1.3 billion model to one or, you know, two years from now, you know, the strength is in the power market for, for us. That's, that's where we're seeing the biggest drivers. We are beginning, you know, as I was saying to Ethan on the last question, you know, I think we're starting to see the memory guys start to increase their utilization as a result of some of the strength in the AI activity. The PC refresh cycle is gonna be key there, so we're, we're monitoring that.
Then consumer electronics are, are probably the next big driver in terms of the mature markets as a whole for mature foundry, logic type of products. We, you know, we're watching that and expect that to be a 2024 type of event. That's what gives us the confidence to, you know, pull that $1.3 billion model in. This year, the $1.1 billion model, it's, you know, it's very heavily being driven by the strength in power and especially in silicon carbide.
Jed Dorsheimer (Group Head of Energy and Power Technologies)
Great. Then just as a follow-up on silicon carbide specifically, you know, major announcement by Infineon in terms of the $6 billion investment in Kulim. I guess my question for you is, you know, trench is obviously more capital intensive, and publicly, they've noted the 200 millimeter. My question around your silicon carbide offering or offerings, that does 150 offer a, is it a different tooling, or what changes within your tool in terms of field upgradable versus 200? And, you know, I'm assuming none of that, or we haven't seen the Malaysia, you know, spend. Yeah, I guess just 150 versus 200 would be helpful. Thanks.
Kevin Brewer (EVP and CFO)
Hi, Jed, it's Russell Low. The 150 versus 200. We still have the complete Purion platform for power series. The XE Silicon Carbide, the M Silicon Carbide, and the H200 Silicon Carbide are all available at 150 and 200. Essentially, it's a field upgradable kit that allows you to go between 150 and 200. It's essentially the same machine, but obviously, the way for handling the scanning need to be modified slightly for the larger substrate. Like I say, that's an upgradable, a field upgradable kit.
Jed Dorsheimer (Group Head of Energy and Power Technologies)
Great. Thank you.
Kevin Brewer (EVP and CFO)
Thanks. Thanks, Jed.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Please stand by. Our next question comes from Tom Diffely from D.A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question.
Tom Diffely (Director of Institutional Research)
Yes, good morning, and thank you for the questions. Maybe 2 more on the silicon carbide side. With some of the recent ebbs and flows in the, the EV end markets, have you seen any changes or any modifications to the new fab construction plans that are expected over the next 2 years?
Doug Lawson (EVP of Corporate Marketing and Strategy)
Yeah, thanks for the question, Tom. no, actually, it, it continues to accelerate. I mean, at this point, silicon carbide is, is still supply constrained, and so there's, you know, quite a bit of activity. You know, one of the, the things we often note when we talk to U.S. investors is, is there's a little bit of a, a, you know, not, not being mean here, but a little bit of a parochial view of the EV market. You know, globally, the EV market is growing quite rapidly. You know, so I think that's, that's driving the silicon carbide investment, and we expect that to continue. We're seeing no signs of, of that changing.
Tom Diffely (Director of Institutional Research)
Okay, great. Thanks, Doug. Then also, I guess when you're thinking about the end product, does it matter to you if the companies are creating discrete or modules? Is there a difference in the ion implant?
Doug Lawson (EVP of Corporate Marketing and Strategy)
Well, we're, we're, we're only involved in the discrete, in the, you know, in the silicon carbide wafer, fab side of things. After, after they package that, then they would put it in a module. There's no implant effect in the module manufacturing.
Tom Diffely (Director of Institutional Research)
Okay, great. Thanks. Then a question for Kevin on the logistics center. Maybe just a little more color on the impact of both your capacity and potentially margins over time with the new center opening up?
Kevin Brewer (EVP and CFO)
Yeah. Hi, Tom. Yeah, the new center is gonna handle all of our incoming material and kitting. Essentially, right now we've got, you know, probably about 10 different locations we pull the material from. That's gonna improve overall efficiency. We're not getting trucks running all over between the 2 cities surrounding us, grabbing material. Also, if required, we could clear out additional space in that facility to put some manufacturing. What's really happening at this point, as we remove some of the remaining stock room out of the, the Beverly headquarters, that frees up more manufacturing space in Beverly. We've got, from an infrastructure point of view, you know, from a bricks-and-mortar point of view, we're, we're pretty much done now with what we need to do.
We have a lot of additional capacity we can add on, second and third shift. Our manufacturing team-- when I say done, our manufacturing team continues to use Kaizen process to drive improvement, and there are a number of Kaizen. Again, in terms of more buildings, between the Korea operation, the Beverly site, and this new logistics center, we, we... I'm very comfortable with our capacity to hit the $1.3 and potentially beyond that. We've got very good supply chain partners, too. Worst case, if we need to put some contract manufacturing capacity in place down the road, that's another option. Long and short of it, I feel very good about where we're at at this point.
Tom Diffely (Director of Institutional Research)
Great. Well, thank you all for your time today.
Kevin Brewer (EVP and CFO)
Yeah. Thanks, Tom.
Doug Lawson (EVP of Corporate Marketing and Strategy)
Thanks, Tom.
Kevin Brewer (EVP and CFO)
Thanks.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question comes from Nicholas Doyle from Needham. Please proceed with your question.
Quinn Bolton (Stock Analyst)
Hey, guys. Nick Doyle on for Quinn Bolton. Thanks for taking my questions. It looks like book-to-bill was slightly below 1, for the first time in a couple quarters. Is this an anomaly or, or a function of the extended system backlog? Then also, what are you seeing on the bookings front, looking into the second half? How far out are bookings being placed? Thanks.
Kevin Brewer (EVP and CFO)
Yeah. Hi, Nicolas, this is Kevin. Let me answer that. I'll start off by saying, I mean, we're gonna see book-to-bill fluctuate a little bit, I think, until there's really a, a much broader-based industry recovery. You know, we were down a little bit on bookings this quarter, $193 million compared to last quarter, which was about $100 million higher. If you go back to the prior quarter, it was down probably $100 million from the last quarter. It's been kind of up and down, but I think the real key here is we have a very strong backlog still. $1.2 billion is, is a very large backlog for the company. You know, in terms of bookings and backlog, both, I mean, we're taking orders out into 2025 right now.
It doesn't mean that all our capacity is necessarily sold in 2024, you know, we're pretty full. We're, you know, we're, we're going out into, in 2025. I don't I'm not worried about this book-to-bill, 'cause I think a couple of quarters ago, we were, we were under 1, and then we popped back up and under 1, and again, with such a strong backlog. You know, that system's backlog, if you consider we have a $250 million CS&I business sitting on top of that, I mean, there's more enough revenue to get you quite a bit down the road without ever booking another tool. Again, I think we'll see it bounce around a little bit until there is this broader-based industry recovery. Power segment is very strong still.
I think we, we now believe that 60% of, you know, the, the year's bookings will come from power. I think on the last call, we might have said it was 55%. We're seeing an additional strength coming through power right now, so.
Quinn Bolton (Stock Analyst)
That's great. Thank you for that.
Doug Lawson (EVP of Corporate Marketing and Strategy)
Nick Doyle, this is Doug Lawson. Let me just add one more, one more comment. The other, the other indicator we watch is, is the quote activity, and our quote activity remains very high, and it's exceptionally good in the silicon carbide side. These guys are planning factories out over the next couple of years, so it's, you know, that's, that's another good indicator in terms of, of continued strength.
Great. For my follow-up, and you touched on these points in the call, but more directly, what is the company's expectation for a memory recovery in 2024? It sounds like you're thinking second half, driven by PCs. Maybe you can touch on what you're seeing in terms of the PC strength coming back, where you're seeing that. Can the company hit the $1.3 billion model without the recovery in the memory market? Thanks.
Russell Low (President and CEO)
Hey, Nick, it's Russell. Thanks for the question. Regarding what we see with memory, naturally, we stay very close to our memory customers. We've historically been very strong in the memory market, and once the market starts to recover, we're expecting to see a lot of benefit from that. A lot of people looking for green shoots. I think at the moment, we're talking to our customers and thinking the second half of 2024, giving a pretty strong year in 2025, as far as memory goes. That's kind of what we're seeing. The second question regarding our path to $1.3 billion.
I think we've previously said that we'd be looking for a consumer spending recovery in order to propel us to the $1.3 billion, and that would be obviously a recovery in memory and some of the other mature processes like image sensors. I think we are seeing strength in our power business beyond what we expected, but I think with that strength in the power, plus a recovery in the consumer spending, we, we see us getting, getting to $1.3 billion, like we say, in the next one or two years.
Doug Lawson (EVP of Corporate Marketing and Strategy)
Yeah. I think the, the bottom line on it, Nick, is that, you know, there's multiple paths to that $1.3 billion model. That's why, you know, in the, in the, in the call, we said, depending on market conditions. It, it really depends a lot of thing on, you know, a bunch of different combinations.
Quinn Bolton (Stock Analyst)
Great. Thanks.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Please stand by. Our next question comes from David Duley from Steelhead Securities. Please proceed with your question.
David Duley (Managing Principal)
Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. A couple. I was just wondering, have you seen recent adoption of silicon carbide in other markets besides the electric vehicle market? Which markets would you expect to, to be early adopters outside of EV?
Doug Lawson (EVP of Corporate Marketing and Strategy)
Hey, David, it's Doug. Thanks for the question. The-- yeah, I mean, if you look at our, you know, our customers', you know, websites, their press releases and so forth, they're, they're talking quite a bit about applications in, in energy, industrial applications. You know, the, the thing with silicon carbide is, it's of tremendous benefit to automotive because of the savings it, it can provide in a module weight and heat generation and so forth, as well as the performance of the devices. It's a little more costly, as volumes increase, that cost comes down, and that opens it up to, you know, other markets, you know, especially the energy and industrial markets, where the, the weight and the, the heat aren't as important, but the performance would be nice to get.
We, we expect that that will be, you know, another piece. In the presentation, you know, we show that, you know, there's a good growth area above EVs that's associated with silicon carbide. Yeah, we definitely are, are hearing that from our customers. For us, we don't see it necessarily directly, 'cause our, our customers would build the same devices using our Purion H, Purion XE, and Purion M silicon carbide tools, whether it's going into an EV or into an energy or industrial application.
David Duley (Managing Principal)
Okay, and then, as far as lead times go, could, could you just help us understand where lead times are currently? You know, I guess you mentioned you're taking orders for 2025. How much manufacturing capacity do you have for 2024? You know, maybe another way to ask it is, what is the current quarterly capacity availability?
Kevin Brewer (EVP and CFO)
Hey, David, it's Kevin. Yeah, I mean, I think 'cause I, I said it a little bit earlier, but there's plenty of capacity right now for the order rate that we're seeing and shipments that are required. You know, once this new logistics center comes online, that's gonna help. We also have, as I mentioned, there's, there's additional manufacturing Kaizens that are ongoing right now as part of as part of our normal process. We're a little bit more heavy with them right now as this logistics center is, is getting, you know, filled up with material. You know, yeah, we've got lead times. We're, we're booking orders into 2025, but our lead times are much shorter than that.
You know, in, in the past, what I would say is that we've always said that, you know, with the ship-from-cell process, assuming material is on hand, we can, we can turn tools within a quarter if we need to. You know, we have. That is the other piece of the supply chain. You know, I'll give a quick update on that. I mean, our supply chain has continued to improve. I think, you know, you don't hear about it a lot right now within our peer group because we're still ramping, and I think a lot of our peer group is, you know, has not been ramping. I'm not gonna say things are perfect with supply chain, but our suppliers are keeping up with us, and they're allowing us to ramp.
You know, we're adding more capacity almost daily with, with our, our supply chain. You know, our lead times are not a problem, I should say, with customers right now. I think, for the most part, that's not preventing us from getting orders, and frankly, I think our lead time's probably still, it may be helping us, because we've been able to, I think, execute pretty well for the last few years, even, even when the pandemic was kind of fully coming at us. Lots of things have been done over the last couple of years to add capacity, and, you know, we're really, we're really almost over that big hump, and now it's gonna come down to hiring people, and bringing up additional offshift capacity. You know, we run, we run second and third shifts.
They're nowhere near as fully utilized as first shifts. You know, we can hire. The hiring process has been, it's, it's been going okay for us. You know, it's, the market was really tough for a while hiring. It's probably gotten a little bit better. Certainly that Korea, facility in Korea, when we brought that online, actually, we were able to hire for capacity for that very quick. So again, I think at the end of the day, our lead times are, you know, assuming everything is there, we can get a, we, you know, from material, we can get a tool out in a quarter, but, you know, it, it's not something that's an issue right now.
David Duley (Managing Principal)
Great. Final question from me is regarding gross margin. I think I asked this question on the last conference call. You know, to hit the 44% target for the year before gross margins are going to spike up, I guess, you know, 250 or 300 basis points, let's say right around 47%. You know, I guess if they're exiting the year at 47%, why would they drop back down to 45%?
Kevin Brewer (EVP and CFO)
Yeah, well, first thing I would say is we won't exit at 47% because part of that spike got taken out with Q2 coming at 43.7%. But you're absolutely right, David. When we were talking 42% in Q2, the math, you know, to get you there, had a pretty big step up in the second half, and we're still have a step-up. We're gonna have 44% in Q3, which suggests we still need a stronger Q4, and the new math may bring it closer to 45%. You know, the thing that moves margins around is the mix. That's, that's a big piece of it. The other thing is, you know, as we continue to bring, bring on, you know, complete these gross margin initiatives, that's been one of the things driving gross margins over the years.
It's... You know, you know me, I always talk about full year gross margins, 'cause quarter to quarter, things can move around. If you look at, you know, our kind of, our progress over the last many years for gross margins on a full year basis, we've been continuing to notch these things up. You know, you know, based on, you know, expecting to end at 44% this year, that notches it up a little bit more. Will we have quarters of, you know, above 45%? Yeah. Well, when we do our models, you know, we're talking full year averages. When you look at the $1.3 billion model, you know, that's not 1 or 2 quarters of greatness. That's, that's a full year when you look at something like that.
Yes, you know, hopefully, I answered your question.
Doug Lawson (EVP of Corporate Marketing and Strategy)
Hey, Kevin, let me just jump in with one thing. Just, you said mix, but I wanna make, make sure, it's clear. You know, there's two mixes we worry about, we, you know, or we look at. One is, is the type of systems, you know, the product extensions, high energy, have better margins than some of the standard products. Then the second is the systems versus CS&I. As we move to $1.3 billion, a big piece of that growth comes in systems. So, that, that does put a little pressure on the, on the margins because the percentage-wise, you know, it's, it's still roughly the same for CS-CS&I, but it's a much higher revenue gain in terms of the systems.
Kevin Brewer (EVP and CFO)
Yeah, that is, that is a good point. I probably should have remembered to mention that. I mean, we all, we always say that CS&I is accretive, if you look at what takes us from the current run rate to $1.3 billion, the majority of increase is coming out of systems. You know, that suggests that we are making progress on systems, because if we weren't, our, our margins would be going backwards. The fact that we're still making progress when we're putting a much bigger mix of systems in, which come in, you know, at lower margins of CS&I, you know, that, that mix SKU does, does impact things. Again, we're right, we're right where we wanna be.
The other, the other piece of it, too, which I probably should have mentioned as well, is, I mean, the product extensions is a big piece of it as well. I mean, that's helped quite a bit with the margins, and, you know, that's part of the mix, too. It's not just high energy versus high current. There's, there's mix within, within the product segment. There's a lot of, there's a lot of moving pieces, but everything's moving in a positive direction. You know, that's the goal, to keep it going that way. We have the, we have the initiatives with very detailed roadmaps in place that gets us to where we wanna be.
Operator (participant)
Okay, thank you. Please stand by. Our next question comes from Mark Miller with The Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.
Mark Miller (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Congrats again on another very good quarter. One of the companies I cover in the, in the laser business was indicated they were seeing some slowing in the EV market in China. I'm just wondering what you're seeing.
Doug Lawson (EVP of Corporate Marketing and Strategy)
Well, I think, Mark, the, from the device standpoint, we're not seeing any slowing. You know, we're, we're a couple, we're a couple steps away from the actual, you know, cars, so far, the silicon carbide demand is still very high and, and still supply constrained. You know, we're not, we're not necessarily seeing that or, or being impacted by that.
Mark Miller (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
You mentioned a number of evals underway, both for silicon carbide and, and memory. I'm just wondering if you could quantify that?
Russell Low (President and CEO)
Yes. Mark, this is Russell. Right now we have 9 evals in the field. I would say they're across all market segments and their products. We've got evals in memory, image sensors, mature foundry, and power. Three of the evals out there, I think we had a press release on this, are the H200 silicon carbide tools in the power. We have a Purion XEmax for image sensors. We have a Purion M. Shouldn't forget, we also have a Purion Dragon at an advanced logic R&D center, where we're looking to, to basically get designed in from the start. Yeah, we have all market segments and all products, and we're looking obviously to work very closely with our customers for continuing to grow our business in those areas.
Mark Miller (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Just one housekeeping question. What was CapEx?
Kevin Brewer (EVP and CFO)
I'm sorry, I was muted. It was $3 million, Mark, in the quarter.
Mark Miller (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Thank you. Thank you.
Kevin Brewer (EVP and CFO)
Thanks, Mark.
Russell Low (President and CEO)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
This concludes our Q&A portion of the call. I will now turn the call back over to Doug Lawson, who will make a few closing remarks.
Doug Lawson (EVP of Corporate Marketing and Strategy)
Thank you for joining us today. We have a very busy investor calendar in the coming months. We'll be at the 4th Annual Needham Virtual Semiconductor & SemiCap One-on-One Conference on August 22nd, the Jefferies Semiconductor, IT Hardware & Communications Technology Summit on August 29th in Chicago, and the Benchmark 10th Annual Tech Media Telecom Conference on September 13th in New York City. We hope to see you at one of these events. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
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