Axcelis Technologies - Q3 2023
November 2, 2023
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Operator (participant)
Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Axcelis Technologies call to discuss the company's results for the third quarter. My name is Corey, and I'll be your coordinator today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your phone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference call is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference call over to your host for today's call, Doug Lawson, Executive Vice President of Corporate Marketing and Strategy.
Doug Lawson (EVP)
Thank you, operator. This is Doug Lawson, Executive Vice President of Corporate Marketing and Strategy, and with me today is Russell Low, President and CEO, and Jamie Coogan, Executive Vice President and CFO. If you have not seen a copy of our press release issued yesterday, it is available on our website. Playback service will also be available on our website, as described in our press release. Please note that comments made today about our expectations for future revenues, profits, and other results are forward-looking statements under the SEC's safe harbor provision. These forward-looking statements are based on management's current expectations and are subject to the risks inherent in our business. These risks are described in detail in our Form 10-K annual report and other SEC filings, which we urge you to review. Our actual results may differ materially from our current expectations.
We do not assume any obligation to update these forward-looking statements. Now I'll turn the call over to President and CEO, Russell Low.
Russell Low (President and CEO)
Good morning, and thank you for joining us for our third quarter 2023 earnings call. Axcelis continued to execute at a high level in the third quarter, driven by strength in the power market. Third quarter revenue and EPS exceeded guidance of $292.3 million, with earnings per share of $1.99. We are guiding fourth quarter revenue at approximately $295 million, with gross margin of approximately 45%, operating profit approximately $73 million, and earnings per share of approximately $2. 2023 annual revenue is expected to be greater than $1.1 billion, representing year-over-year revenue growth of around 20% in a year in which overall WFE is expected to decrease by 20%-30%.
Backlog remains strong at $1.2 billion, with quarterly systems bookings increasing slightly to $198 million. The book-to-bill ratio is 0.83, primarily due to increased shipments in the quarter. The power market continues to be an area of strength for Axcelis, representing more than 60% of our system shipments for the third consecutive quarter. The overall mature process technology market generated 99% of the quarter's system shipments, with just 1% going to memory customers, composed entirely of DRAM. The geographic mix of our system shipments in the third quarter was much more balanced, with the combined U.S. and Europe representing 38%, China at 35%, Korea 12%, Taiwan 4%, Japan 3%, and the rest of the world at 8%.
The power device segment, and in particular, silicon carbide, has driven our growth during this downturn. We continue to win business from new customers and expand our product footprint with existing customers. We expect greater than 60% of our shipped system revenue in 2023 to come from power, with around 35% of total system revenue coming from carbide applications. The full Purion Power Series product portfolio is important to our customers, and we continue to see increased adoption of Purion H200 silicon carbide and Purion XE silicon carbide systems. In Q3, we shipped a 200 millimeter Purion XE silicon carbide system to a leading Japanese power device manufacturer. We also have three Purion H200 silicon carbide system evaluations underway with customers in multiple geographies. Two of these systems are 150 millimeters, and one is a 200 millimeter system.
These evaluation units give our customers a head start qualifying productivity-limiting recipes as they ramp to higher volumes. It also enables the customer to conduct optimization work on their devices, utilizing the higher energy and dose capabilities of the Purion H200 silicon carbide system. The importance of the three implant types in silicon carbide is highlighted by the relatively even revenue split across the full Purion Power Series product family in 2023. Axcelis is the only ion implantation company that can deliver complete recipe coverage for all power device applications. We are considered a technology leader and the supplier of choice, providing the best product family and manufacturing capabilities. This means that using Axcelis tools provides the lowest risk path to high volume manufacturing required to support aggressive fab ramp plans.
Axcelis places significant value on enabling our customers to succeed in this exciting market by providing differential product performance at a high level of customer satisfaction. Axcelis has a large number of customers in the power market, which is currently expected to remain healthy in 2024. This will provide good support for Axcelis even as the industry downturn continues and now includes increased softness in the general mature markets... While our customers are managing through this downturn, Axcelis remains close to them, supporting their installed base and working with them on the future technology and manufacturing needs. Recently, we shipped a Purion Dragon to a leading research institute focused on advanced logic process development. This tool and the associated collaboration will be critical to our advanced logic customers' development for next-generation technology.
Additionally, we have multiple evaluation systems and many customer engagements designed to increase our footprint across all segments. As the industry exits this downturn, Axcelis will return to healthy growth in these markets. This, combined with continued strength in the power segment, will drive Axcelis to our $1.3 billion model and beyond. Now I'd like to turn it over to Jamie.
Jamie Coogan (EVP and CFO)
Thank you, Russell, and good morning, everyone. Before turning to the results for the quarter, I want to say that I'm excited to be joining the Axcelis team. Over the past few years, this team has worked diligently, developing cutting-edge ion implant products, establishing a strong product position in the power device market, and creating a rare opportunity to grow revenue and profitability during a significant industry downturn through strong execution. I look forward to adding my experience to this team and meeting many of you at our future investor events. Now, turning to the quarter. We are pleased with our financial results for the period, and as we look to the full year, we are reiterating our full-year revenue expectations of greater than $1.1 billion, which represents year-over-year growth of approximately 20%.
Looking at our third quarter, revenue and earnings per share finished well above guidance due to solid execution and continued strong demand for Purion, especially in the silicon carbide power market. Q3 revenue was $292.3 million, with system revenue at $231.5 million, and CS&I revenue at $60.9 million. Q3 earnings per share of $1.99 was well above guidance due to higher-than-expected revenues and gross margin, as well as lower overall operating expenses. Despite some of the softness in the general mature market, bookings and quoting activity for systems in the power segment remained solid and continued to support our expectation that greater than 60% of shipped systems revenue will come from this market in 2023.
CS&I revenue will fluctuate quarter to quarter, which should be modeled at approximately $245 million for 2023, and $300 million for our $1.3 billion revenue model. Q3 gross margin finished at 44.4%, above guidance, driven by lower costs and deferrals and benefiting from a slightly improved mix. We expect our Q4 margin to come in higher at approximately 45%. Full year 2023 gross margin will be approximately 43.6%. We remain laser-focused on margin improvement and have a number of initiatives underway to lower cost of goods sold and drive higher sales of Purion product expansions. Execution on these initiatives allows us to model gross margin at approximately 45% in our $1.3 billion revenue model.
Turning to operating expenses, the third quarter ended at 19.8% of revenue, better than our guidance. We expect OpEx in the fourth quarter to remain flat as we continue to tightly manage spending. Investments will continue to be an area of focus for us to ensure we are supporting business growth, solidifying our technology advantage in the specialty markets, and increasing our footprint in the memory and advanced logic markets. Most importantly, we will continue to invest in our employees and infrastructure to ensure we have the necessary skills and equipment required to achieve our financial models. We recently completed one of our more significant infrastructure investments, our new state-of-the-art logistics center in Beverly, Massachusetts. The new logistics center, located just a short walk from our headquarters, will be fully functional during the fourth quarter.
This facility will provide significant efficiency, improving our material handling and flow to our operations. The fourth quarter also marks the two-year anniversary of the opening of the Axcelis Asia Operations Center in South Korea. This facility has been critical to our revenue growth and is expected to have shipped over $300 million of systems by year-end. We plan to further ramp both our Beverly and Korean operations as capacity needs grow and are comfortable that we have initiatives in place that support our $1.3 billion revenue model. Moving to our balance sheet and cash flow. We end Q3 with $461 million of cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments, and we generated $24 million of cash from operations in the period. We saw a higher volume of shipments later in the quarter, which increased our outstanding receivables.
We continue to execute against our previously announced share repurchase program, buying back $12.5 million of stock in the quarter. In total, we've returned over $170 million of cash to shareholders since 2019 through our share repurchase programs. In my first few weeks with Axcelis, I've been impressed with the team and their dedication to innovation and their drive for improving efficiency and operational performance. These qualities were essential in allowing Axcelis to reach the level of performance we see today. Once again, I would like to reiterate my excitement in joining Axcelis and look forward to helping the team take the company to new heights in the future. I will now turn the call back to Russell for his closing comments.
Russell Low (President and CEO)
... Thank you, Jamie. Axcelis expects to achieve revenue of greater than $1.1 billion in 2023, and is targeting revenue of $1.3 billion in 2025. This growth is achievable due to the following factors: First, the implant TAM has more than doubled in the last few years and is expected to continue to grow, with mature market segments representing greater than 60% of the total TAM. Second, power devices, especially silicon carbide devices, are highly implant-intensive, and the general mature nodes have increasing implant intensity, peaking at 28 nanometers. Third, high-value Purion product extensions were designed to optimize power and image sensor device manufacturing, making Axcelis the only company with a product line capable of covering all implant recipes in these key markets. This uniquely positions Axcelis to benefit from high growth in the mature process technology markets.
And finally, Axcelis has strong long-term customer relationships and a fundamental cultural desire to win by making our customers successful. I want to thank our employees, suppliers, customers, and investors for your continued support. With that, I'd like to open it up for questions.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we will conduct the question-and-answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from Charles Shi of Needham & Company. Charles, your line is open.
Charles Shi (Senior Analyst)
Hi, good morning, Russell, and nice to meet you, Jamie. Welcome aboard.
Jamie Coogan (EVP and CFO)
Thank you.
Charles Shi (Senior Analyst)
Just wanted to, thanks. Really want to start my first question around backlog. I mean, the backlog is only good if you can ship them. But how confident is management at this point to ship those backlog on time? And how much risk do you see is there in terms of push, potential push outs, given the fact that one of the leading silicon carbide players in the West seems to suggest that their CapEx or maybe capital intensity is trending lower than they previously expected in 2024? Thanks.
Doug Lawson (EVP)
Hey, Charles, thanks for the question. This is Doug. Let me start sort of on the back end of your question, relative, you know, to the silicon carbide question. Our business in silicon carbide is global and with a very large and diverse customer base. And so, you know, we see—we continue to see good bookings, and, you know, solid quote activity in, in that area, you know, globally. And so, you know, I think looking at just one customer within that is not the right way to look at, Axcelis's backlog, within, within silicon carbide or in general. As far as backlog goes, you know, it's, it continues to be strong. Let Russell, you know, comment on the, on the front end of your question.
Russell Low (President and CEO)
Yeah. Hey, Charles. So, the backlog, I think, currently sits at $1.2 billion. As we've kind of noted, there are some weaknesses in the business in and around memory and image sensors, and we've talked a little bit about, you know, softening of general mature. But as Doug mentioned, when it comes to backlog, bookings and quotes, you know, requests for quotes, the power market is still strong for us, which is kind of why we've been able to say, you know, reiterate a greater than $1.1 billion revenue for 2023. And we expect this, the strength in power, to continue into 2024. And so, and a lot of the backlog is in power.
Charles Shi (Senior Analyst)
Thanks for the color. Maybe the second question about the China exposure. Seems like at least from a shipment standpoint your China exposure in Q3 seems to be down sequentially from Q2 level. It seems to be the reverse trend of several of your semi-cap peers that actually saw a big, massive pickup of the China revenue into Q3 and potentially into Q4. Just really wonder is the relative I mean lower exposure of China you saw in Q3, is that temporary, or you see this is probably going to be more dominated by the rest of the world in terms of your shipment for the next few quarters? Thanks.
Russell Low (President and CEO)
Right. So I think we've typically said it's between 30%-50% in any given quarter, and as you note, it's kind of in the thirties for this quarter. I think, China is still always gonna be a growing area for us, but I think we benefited also from other areas coming online. So like Doug said, power is definitely a global phenomenon, and we saw a good progress in Europe and U.S., and we've also seen it in other regions around the world. So I'd say that we continue to see strength in China. We'll continue to find that as a very good opportunity for us, given our focus on mature markets, but we are also seeing a lot of strength globally, particularly in power.
Charles Shi (Senior Analyst)
Thanks.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from David Duley of Steelhead Securities. David, your line is open.
David Duley (Managing Principal)
Yeah, thanks for taking my question. Russell, you mentioned that you've seen some weakness in the second-tier foundry and logic business. Could you just talk about which geographic regions that's coming from or applications?
Russell Low (President and CEO)
So I guess by second-tier foundry logic, you're kind of talking about the mature foundry, the kind of typically the non-FinFET stuff, right?
David Duley (Managing Principal)
Yes.
Russell Low (President and CEO)
So I think, you know, that there's so the foundries that are more related to consumer spending have been soft for a little while. We're now seeing a little bit of softening in industry, and I think you probably saw the note by one foundry this morning about softening in power. That actually doesn't we, we don't seem to see the softening in power across the board, but I think industrial has started to soften along with consumer, which was already there.
David Duley (Managing Principal)
Okay. Then, follow up on gross margins. You know, I think your gross margin target for Q4 is essentially your target for the $1.3 billion model. So, you know, maybe help us understand how gross margins might progress next year if revenue grows, or, or how we should be thinking about gross margins going forward.
Jamie Coogan (EVP and CFO)
Yeah. So as we think about margin, obviously mix is gonna be an important part in that process as the mix between systems and CS&I revenue on a forward basis. And as you know, utilization, fab utilization is gonna be the primary driver of the CS&I revenue on a forward-looking basis. The teams are right now in the process of working through our 2024 model specifically, but we do expect to maintain strong gross margins going into next year.
David Duley (Managing Principal)
Okay, final one for me is, you clearly outperformed this year, as you mentioned, WFE being down, you know, 20%. You guys are up 20%. If the market's flat to up next year, do you think you continue to outperform?
Doug Lawson (EVP)
Yeah, Dave, this is Doug. At this point, you know, we're not providing any guidance for 2024. You know, we see the 1.3 model coming in for 2025. You know, we continue to see good bookings and good quote activity, and so, you know, we're optimistic on 2024, but we're not ready to give any specific guidance.
David Duley (Managing Principal)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. One moment for our next caller. Our next question comes from Craig Ellis of B. Riley Securities. Craig, your line is open.
Craig Ellis (Senior Managing Director and Director of Research)
Yeah, thanks for taking the question, and, congratulations on the third quarter. Jamie, welcome aboard. I look forward to working with you. The first,
Jamie Coogan (EVP and CFO)
Thank you.
Craig Ellis (Senior Managing Director and Director of Research)
Yeah, thanks. The first thing I want to do is follow up on one of Charles' inquiries. I was hoping that as you provided some color on just quoting activity broadly and orders, if you could just focus on what you've seen fourth quarter to date, and clarify if fourth quarter to date, so over the last month, things have been, you know, broadly steady, broadly strong, with limited signs of weakness.
Doug Lawson (EVP)
Yeah, Craig, You know, we don't break out the quote activity or the, the bookings, you know, for a given quarter, but, you know, I think, you know, we're, we're seeing continued, you know, good strength, you know, in power and silicon carbide. Like everyone else in the industry, there's, you know, you know, we're seeing some of the softening, as Russell mentioned, in, in some of the mature markets, moving a little bit beyond just consumer. So, you know, I think our, you know, our quote activity and our, and our bookings reflect the general market behavior.
Craig Ellis (Senior Managing Director and Director of Research)
Got it. And then, Doug, just to follow up with the team on some of the longer-term issues, nice to get the finer point on calendar 2025's potential with the, with the target model. I know you're not providing guidance for calendar 2024, but I was hoping you could frame up some of the gives and takes that you see as you look at calendar 2024 specifically. For example, would you expect that DRAM could get materially better? Same with CIS, and what if some of the gives and takes within mature foundry broadly outside of CIS?
Doug Lawson (EVP)
Yeah. So, you know, I think the mature foundry market, you know, which, as we all know, has, has never suffered a downturn because it didn't exist, you know, until a few years ago. So everyone's starting to try to figure out exactly how it cycles. And, you know, it appears probably tied very much, you know, to more economic, factors and so forth. So I think as we go into 2024, a lot is gonna depend on what the economy's doing and so forth, relative to that, which will drive consumer spending, you know, drive the industrial back and, and drive, you know, general automotive, you know, not just the, the power piece. And so, you know, that's, that's how we think the market's gonna behave.
As far as the specific segments, you know, image sensors are very much driven by phones, and so, you know, we'll see how, you know, this cycle of phones look, for Axcelis and for ion implant. The other factor that drives it is the next generation of technology, which drives, you know, our products like our VXE and our Purion XEmax. And then, you know, the other factor relative to memory or the rest of your question, I mean, at this point, you know, we haven't really changed our position. We see the second half of next year, the beginning of DRAM coming back in 2025, to be a strong DRAM year. NAND probably is still slow until 2025.
You know, the drivers on DRAM near term, you know, there's some China activity, and then there's the HBM and some other, you know, technology things. Those are gonna utilize those are gonna use up, you know, capacity and improve utilization in fabs, and that ultimately will lead to CapEx focus on implant.
Craig Ellis (Senior Managing Director and Director of Research)
That's helpful. Thanks, Doug. Thanks, guys.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your phone. Our next call comes from Mark Miller of the Benchmark Company. Mark, your line's open.
Mark Miller (Senior Equity Analyst)
Congratulations, another strong quarter. I was just wondering, certainly, EV has been a major driver, but do you see any momentum related to AI?
Doug Lawson (EVP)
Yeah, you know, I think AI is gonna drive a bunch of things, Mark. AI, you know, first and foremost, is driving advanced logic, right? And that is really highlighted by what, you know, what AMD said the other day and what NVIDIA has been saying. Second thing is that, you know, it's driving the advanced packaging, you know, for the HBM technology. Ultimately, you know, AI will drive a big piece of the market, right? You know, it's dependent on data, which it gets from IoT devices, as well as, you know, every other feed that it can get. It'll drive big amounts of DRAM, even beyond HBM, in the servers, and then lots and lots of storage in the form of NAND.
You know, it is a very important long-term driver, you know, over the next many years.
Mark Miller (Senior Equity Analyst)
You mentioned DRAM possibly coming back before NAND. I just was wondering, I think the estimates are that for an AI server, there's 6 times more DRAM. Is that one of the drivers or is that one of the factors in your thoughts about DRAM coming back somewhat sooner?
Doug Lawson (EVP)
Yeah, I think that is definitely one. You know, HBM, which is, you know, an advanced packaging, you know, use of DRAM, you know, where it's, where it's packaged, you know, directly on the GPU, you know, that, that will help, and then in general, the, the general server DRAM. The other thing, you know, that will drive DRAM back will be, you know, consumer coming back, PC refresh cycles, if there's a good phone cycle, all of those things will, will help drive, the DRAM market, back.
Mark Miller (Senior Equity Analyst)
Thank you.
Doug Lawson (EVP)
Thanks, Mark.
Operator (participant)
One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Jed Dorsheimer of William Blair. Jed, your line's open.
Jed Dorsheimer (Managing Director)
Hey, thanks, and, congratulations, and, Jamie, look forward to, working with you, too. I guess-
Jamie Coogan (EVP and CFO)
Yeah, same here, Jed.
Jed Dorsheimer (Managing Director)
First question on silicon carbide. You know, what percentage of the quoting activity is on 200 millimeter versus 150? I'm assuming most is on 150, but just curious on the, you know, how that's ticked up on 200.
Doug Lawson (EVP)
Yeah, Jed, so we don't break out the specifics. Our customers frown on us giving those kind of details. But, you know, in general, you know, the market, you know, is pushing, you know, sort of production level at 150 with many lines, you know, pilot lines at 200 with a plan to ramp those, you know, as the materials are available. And, you know, on recent calls of material suppliers, you know, things are looking positive that materials will start to become more available, and that will drive, you know, our customers towards 200 millimeter for their next fabs or expanding their mini fabs. So we're definitely seeing plenty of 200 millimeter activity, but still the bulk of production is probably on 150.
Jed Dorsheimer (Managing Director)
Got it. The third of my question is, is there anything within your tool design that would cause your uptime on 200 millimeter to be lower than that of 150? And I'm asking is, you know, it has recently come up with, you know, about it, uptime issues, and I'm just curious, what the difference may be and whether or not that's a competitive advantage as we look at your, tools versus some of your competitors.
Russell Low (President and CEO)
Hey, Jed, it's Russell. So, I would say it's the. I don't think there's a significant difference between 150 and 200 or 200 and 300. We do have significant competitive advantages in our product, from the ion source technology to the wafer handling. As you know, these are brittle wafers, they're transparent, they bow very easily. But I don't think there's any fundamental reason why a 150 and 200 tool would be different in reliability, and that's not what we see with our tool set.
Jed Dorsheimer (Managing Director)
Got it. Thanks, Russell. One last question, Jamie. Just, you know, last quarter, the commentary, I think, around book-to-bill being under one was that it's an anomaly, but we have two quarters with the book-to-bill under one. So I'm just... You know, is there expectation that this bounces back above one as we look into next quarter, or do you think we're kind of at this level for a little bit? How should we be thinking about the book-to-bill?
Jamie Coogan (EVP and CFO)
Yeah, Jed, I think that's a great, good, good question. I know in the third quarter here, we did have some shipments in the September timeframe here that sort of helped to drive that book-to-bill a little bit below one from what we were otherwise expecting, as we did overperform relative to expectations for the third quarter. You know, given that I'm still coming on board, I might pass that the rest of the question off to Doug here to respond.
Doug Lawson (EVP)
Yeah. So, Jed, I think, you know, that's one of the big reasons is that extra shipments at the end, as was mentioned earlier, you know, CS&I is off a little bit as a result of fab utilization. So, you know, that combination allowed us to keep the revenues where they are, and, but it did affect the book-to-bill. I think the other thing to be thinking about is the fact, you know, the industry is still in a pretty big downturn, and, you know, we've had some book-to-bills that, you know, were unrealistically high, probably, you know, in terms of a couple, a few quarters. So, you know, so I think it's kind of a balance.
We are working off a pretty big backlog as well, and, you know, that's continued to stay relatively flat, so.
Jed Dorsheimer (Managing Director)
Great. I'll jump back in queue. Thanks, guys.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone. Our next question comes from Tom Diffely of D.A. Davidson and Company. Tom, your line is open.
Tom Diffely (Managing Director)
Yeah, good morning. Thank you for the opportunity to ask a question here. I would like to follow up a bit on Jed's question about the 150, 200. For you, is it the same tool, you know, same margin structure, when you look at the two different wafer sizes?
Russell Low (President and CEO)
So, for us, we can either ship as a 150 or a 200. We also have an upgrade kit that you can ship to the field, and you can do this upgrade in the field. It doesn't take very long to do that change.
Tom Diffely (Managing Director)
Okay.
Doug Lawson (EVP)
That ends up being a you know good thing, you know, Tom, for us, you know, with, you know, sort of following on to one of the questions that Jed asked relative to 150 versus 200, you know, fab adoption. You know, our customers are ramping their 150 as they begin to put 200 millimeter capacity online. At some point, they'll go back, and they'll upgrade their 150 tools to 200, and that'll generate, you know, significant CS&I upgrade revenue for us.
Russell Low (President and CEO)
Exactly.
Tom Diffely (Managing Director)
Okay. But how do you look at that as far as, you know, the upgrades, adding on capacity to the industry, and obviously take away some of the new system demand as well? But in general, would you consider that a net positive or a net negative?
Doug Lawson (EVP)
Well, it will, it will end up, I think it will end up being a positive, actually. You know, the, the upgrades, you know, are, are a good margin for Axcelis. They're of great benefit for the customer, allows them to get their 200 millimeter fab up and running, and then go back and be able to take down their 150 fabs and retrofit, you know, with, with tools that, that they have, buy whatever else is needed to support the technology that might go in to the 200 millimeter version of that fab. And so, you know, in general, it, it will be a, a positive for Axcelis.
Tom Diffely (Managing Director)
Okay. Maybe just a couple more quick questions on the silicon carbide stuff. Where is the industry right now, as far as the transition from silicon to silicon carbide power for EVs?
Doug Lawson (EVP)
Well, that's probably a better question for, you know, for some of the automakers, but, you know, the way we're seeing it, you know, in terms of tool buying behavior, you know, it's a mix. So we see this year, you know, around 60% of our systems revenue is coming from power as a whole. 35% of our total systems revenue is coming from silicon carbide. So silicon carbide is, you know, outstripping silicon in terms of, you know, implant tools by quite a bit. But there's a place for both technologies, and I think we'll see the automakers settle in on, you know, where silicon carbide makes the most sense, where silicon makes the most sense.
And it's gonna come down, in a lot of cases, to a cost and performance decision that they'll be making on their cars. As the cost of silicon carbide materials come down, the cost of processing come down, you know, the yields and so forth come up, then there's more incentive to move to silicon carbide and get that performance, even on lower cost cars. But today, probably some of the lower cost cars and plug-in hybrids and so forth, are more likely to be using silicon for its cost reasons.
Tom Diffely (Managing Director)
Okay. And then, you know, just taking it one step further, when do you think we'll start to see the second and third generation silicon carbide chips that are a little bit more ion implant intensive?
Doug Lawson (EVP)
Well, I think we're probably starting to see some of them, and, you know, I think that there's actually a pretty important tie between your two questions. You know, even if people perceive, you know, EVs slowing a little bit based on, you know, some of the, you know, the latest news and so forth, you know, our customers are continuing to work on getting the cost down, the performance up, moving to that next generation that allows, you know, the automakers to be able to make the cars at a lower cost or higher performance, you know, longer time between charges and so forth. And so, you know, I think we'll continue to see the technology growth, you know, relative to that. Same thing with the 200-millimeter migration.
That's an important element to getting the cost down.
Russell Low (President and CEO)
Yeah, Tom, just to kind of add to that. So, you know, as we talked about, there's a transition from 150-200. There is also a transition going from, say, planar to trench. And you'll see that this year, as people have gone from kind of like pilot lines up into high volume, we're seeing that all of the Purion Power product portfolio is being ordered in pretty much equal revenue. So, you know, we've got the Purion M, the Purion XE, and the Purion H200, and they're basically equal this year. And clearly, the Purion XE is very much needed for the trench applications, which have been kind of more advanced devices.
Tom Diffely (Managing Director)
Great. Well, thank you for your time this morning.
Doug Lawson (EVP)
Thanks, Tom.
Operator (participant)
Thank you very much. One moment for our next caller. Our next question comes from Duksan Jang of Bank of America Securities. Your line is open.
Duksan Jang (Equity Research Analyst)
Good morning. Thank you for taking the question. So I want to go back to the silicon carbide business. I understand it's well diversified, it's got a global customer base, you have strong backlogs, but EV weaknesses have been pretty well known. So, I'm wondering if you're seeing any signs of stabilizing demand here, and how do we know if these backlogs are not part of a potential double ordering? Thank you.
Doug Lawson (EVP)
Okay. Well, so I think if we look at, you know, our demands, you know, relative, you know, to silicon carbide and silicon, in the power side, like as I said before, it continues to grow. You know, our customer base needs to continue to innovate, to enable the automakers to be able to do the EV programs they want to do. You know, while there's been some, you know, some delays, you know, especially in the U.S., it's well-publicized, that's not all - that's not necessarily the case globally. And so, we see still quite a bit of activity, you know, in China, even though some of the percentage growth rate may have slowed, it's still, it's still very high. And the car companies there are continuing to innovate, even with new better battery technology.
So you know, we, we expect that from them to see continued growth relative to, you know, that device market, as customers, you know, continue to innovate and get the costs down. So, so anyway, that's, that's how we see it.
Duksan Jang (Equity Research Analyst)
Got it. And then a follow-up to an earlier DRAM question. A lot of your WFE peers have had incremental shipments to China this quarter. They've also seen kind of broader strength in DRAM overall. So I just want to understand why there's a difference between their business and Axcelis. Do you not have any exposure to these customers at all?
Doug Lawson (EVP)
Yeah. So, in the case of this quarter, that's very much tied to a specific customer that we do have less exposure to. We do see, you know, future opportunities for DRAM in China, and then we see growth in the more traditional DRAM base as we get into next year. So that is a difference, you know, between some of our peers. You know, they have less exposure to silicon carbide, and that's pushed our exposure or our China business, you know, up to 35%. The mature markets where we're all, you know, we all participate, you know, those have been down a little bit for the general mature and that's brought our ex...
You know, this quarter's exposure down from a high last year, last quarter of 50 down to 35.
Duksan Jang (Equity Research Analyst)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. One moment for our next question. Next question comes from David Dooley of Steelhead Securities. David, your line's open.
David Duley (Managing Principal)
Yeah, just a couple of follow-ups for me. Could you update us on your progress in the Japanese market and the advanced foundry logic business? And then also, just, could you just talk a little bit about, I think you've mentioned how the cost curve in silicon carbide is coming down. That should drive adoption in other markets. Could you just perhaps give some commentary about what other markets might be starting to adopt silicon carbide?
Russell Low (President and CEO)
Yeah. Hi, David, it's Russell. So, regarding Japan, we're actually quite pleased with the progress we're making in Japan. So really, for us, it's about the power market in Japan and also the image sensor market in Japan, which, you know, we have very specialized tools that have huge value that, you know, it's a natural place for us to want to go, and we're getting some traction. So we've just recently shipped an EXE silicon carbide tool into Japan. We've got multiple other power series products going into Japan, and we're seeing a lot of demand for those particular power tools, as I said, because they are highly differentiated and, you know, we are definitely seen as the leader of silicon carbide power.
Doug Lawson (EVP)
As far as the advanced logic market goes, Dave, you know, that, you know, I guess we would describe that as, you know, you know, similar to Japan, where we're patiently, you know, working on, you know, penetration. You know, in the case of advanced logic, the path is through R&D. And so, you know, we have a Purion Dragon in evaluation as an evaluation system that's at an advanced logic customer. That same customer has Purion H's in production in advanced logic. And then recently, we announced shipment of a Purion Dragon revenue tool to an advanced research center that's focused on advanced logic, transistor definition, and process technology that feeds all of the, all of the customers in this, in this area.
So the path into advanced logic is one of patience and penetration through R&D. As far as your silicon carbide question in other markets beyond automotive, you know, there's lots of opportunity. You know, silicon carbide represents some significant performance advantages over silicon in terms of switching speeds, cleanliness, switching, you know, heat dissipation, all of those kinds of things, weight. And so, automotive is a volume application, and that volume application will bring down the overall cost of materials and ultimately the cost of the components. Beyond that market, now, there's several industrial markets. The data center market, you know, which ties directly to AI, you know, could be a big beneficiary over time.
The clean energy and smart grid, there's a lot of applications there, as well as in some communications applications. So, you know, the key is getting the cost down, and I think that's something that's really important to understand, is that, you know, we're kind of over a little bit of a hill in terms of people now have the capacity in place to make the substrates, get the yields up, get the costs down, and that will open up the other markets.
David Duley (Managing Principal)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. This concludes the question and answer session. I would now like to turn it back to Doug Lawson, who will make a few closing remarks.
Doug Lawson (EVP)
Thank you for joining us today. We have a very busy investor calendar in the coming months. We'll be at the D.A. Davidson Tech Summit on November 16th in New York City, the Seventh Annual Wells Fargo TMT Summit on November 28th in Los Angeles, the New York City Summit on December 12th, and the Seventh Annual Needham TMT Summit on January 17th in New York City. We hope to see you at one of these events and for you to have the opportunity to meet Jamie in person. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes today's program. You may now disconnect.