Arteris - Q1 2024
May 2, 2024
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Operator (participant)
Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the Arteris First Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. Please note, this call is being recorded and simultaneously webcast. All material contained in the webcast is sole property and copyright of the Arteris, Inc. with all rights reserved. For opening remarks and introductions, I will now turn the call over to Erica Mannion of Sapphire Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Erica Mannion (Sapphire investor Relations)
Thank you, and good afternoon. With me today from Arteris are Charles Janac, Chief Executive Officer, and Nick Hawkins, Chief Financial Officer. Charles will begin with a brief review of the business results for the first quarter ended March 31, 2024. Nick will review the financial results for the first quarter, followed by the company's outlook for the second quarter and full year of 2024. We will then open the call for questions. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that management will make statements during this call that are forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws. These statements involve material risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results or events to differ materially from those anticipated, and you should not place undue reliance on forward-looking statements.
Additional information regarding these risks, uncertainties, and factors that could cause results to differ appear in the press release Arteris issued today in the documents and reports filed by Arteris from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Please note, during this call, we will cite certain non-GAAP measures, including non-GAAP net loss, non-GAAP net loss per share, and free cash flow, which are not measures prepared in accordance with U.S. GAAP. The non-GAAP measures are presented as we believe they provide investors with a means of evaluating and understanding how the company's management evaluates the company's operating performance. These non-GAAP measures should not be considered in isolation from, as substitutes for, or superior to financial measures prepared in accordance with U.S. GAAP.
A reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the nearest GAAP measure can be found in the press release for the quarter ended March 31, 2024. In addition, for a definition of certain of the key performance indicators used in this presentation, such as annual contract value, confirmed design starts, active customers, and remaining performance obligation, please see the press release for the quarter ended March 31, 2024. Listeners who do not have a copy of the press release for the quarter ended March 31, 2024, may obtain a copy by visiting the investor relations section of the company's website. In addition, management will be referring to the Q1 2024 earnings presentation, which can be found in the investor relations section of the company's website under the Events and Presentations tab.
Now, I will turn the call over to Charles.
Charles Janac (CEO)
Thank you, Erica, and thanks to everyone for joining us on the call this afternoon. We're excited to report a solid first quarter of 2024, with annual contract value plus royalties of $58.2 million. I'd also like to highlight that we delivered a positive free cash flow quarter, and we are reaffirming our target of achieving positive free cash flow in 2024. This quarter's success was driven by continued robust licensing activity across all of our verticals, led in particular by enterprise computing and automotive deals. As with recent quarters, the rise in artificial intelligence is a driving factor for our customers, with approximately half of our first quarter license deals enabling AI and machine learning design starts, increasingly supporting Generative AI and large language model applications.
We continue to expand our foothold with large customers as five of our significant wins were with top 30 global technology companies. Each of these wins with a major system and semiconductor companies increasingly demonstrates the growing demand for commercial system IP vendors such as Arteris. We saw continued healthy design activity from our customers, primarily in enterprise computing and automotive, followed by deployments for communications and industrial applications and consumer electronics. One of the enterprise computing wins in the first quarter was one of our largest system IP deals with a top 10 semiconductor company. Specifically, it significantly expands the deployment of Arteris Network-on-Chip IPs across a growing number of SoC designs. This business relationship continues our trend of securing relationships with major technology companies that can be expanded over time. As of today, approximately half of the top 30 semiconductor and technology companies are Arteris customers.
As mentioned earlier, the growth of AI is fueling the increasing adoption of Arteris products, which we believe are well suited to tackle the growing design size, complexity, performance, power, and cost requirements of AI chips. As an example of this trend, we announced that Rebellions, a pioneering AI semiconductor startup in Korea, has licensed FlexNoC Network-on-Chip IP and Magillem SoC automation integration software for its next generation neural processing unit aimed at generative AI. Rebellions chose Arteris prior IP and our software enabling superior performance and design flexibility for their inference chips while meeting energy efficiency requirements needed to deliver cost-efficient AI hardware computing at scale. On the product front, our FlexNoC 5 Network-on-Chip, launched in the middle of last year, continues to find solid adoption. This adoption spans across all our verticals and all of our main geographical markets, from small to large customers.
Building upon this momentum, we announced the release and immediate availability of the latest version of our Ncore cache coherent network on chip IP. Arteris Ncore supports any processor IP that connects to Ncore supported protocols, offering multiple protocols, flexible configurations, and ISO 26262 functional safety, and is utilized by Mobileye, a longtime customer, who is at the forefront of the autonomous vehicle evolution. The expanded Ncore IP also delivers on the previously announced Arm and Arteris automotive partnership. Targeting a broad range of automotive designs from microcontrollers to autonomous driving chips, the collaboration results in pre-validation of Arteris' Ncore interconnect IP, integrating with and supporting various Arm v9-based processor IPs for automotive semiconductors. The aim is to enable next generation of automotive electronics, including Advanced Driver Assistance Systems, or ADAS, cockpit and infotainment systems, vision, radar, lidar, body and chassis control, and more.
By optimizing and pre-validating Arteris' Ncore network-on-chip to work seamlessly with Arm's latest processor IPs, customers benefit from accelerated path to high performance, power efficient, and safe automotive SoCs. Speaking of automotive collaboration, at the recent Automotive Computing Conference, Mercedes-Benz presented a vision for standardization of automotive computing and multi-die chiplets, supported by partners including Arm, Intel Foundry, Synopsys, Renesas, Arteris, and others. We are excited to be partnering in pioneering a reference with Mercedes-Benz for its network-on-chip and last level cache implementations as part of the ADU platform, addressing a full range of autonomous driving applications. Yet another collaboration in the first quarter included expanding our RISC-V ecosystem support to help offer on-chip connectivity for companies deploying the DAMO XuanTie processor IP in their SoCs.
This collaboration underscores Arteris' capability to support processor choices made by our customers, including the support of both Arm and RISC-V processors on the same SoC. Currently, certain macroeconomic dynamics, including geopolitical uncertainties and the U.S. BIS restrictions concerning China, U.S. trade, continue to impact our business, though we are not seeing further deterioration at this time. While these dynamics do create near-term headwinds, we believe that the scale and scope of our long-term opportunity remains robust, supported by our strong product pipeline of new system IP technologies and solid relationships with some of the largest electronics companies in the world, who continue to innovate in exciting areas such as generative AI and autonomous driving, using Arteris system IP technologies. With that, I'll turn it over to Nick to discuss our financial results in more detail.
Nick Hawkins (CFO)
Thank you, Charles, and good afternoon, everyone. As I review our first quarter results today, please note I will be referring to GAAP as well as non-GAAP metrics. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financials is included in today's earnings release, which is available on our website. As a reminder, I will be referring to the first quarter 2024 earnings presentation, which can be found in the investor relations section of the company's website under the Events and Presentations tab. Turning to slide four of the presentation, total revenue for the first quarter was $12.9 million, down 2% year-over-year, but up 4% sequentially and above the midpoint of our guidance range. If we take into account the change to ratable revenue treatment in the second quarter of 2023, the year-over-year revenue growth would have been 16%.
At the end of the first quarter, annual contract value, or ACV, plus royalties, was $58.2 million, also above the midpoint of our guidance range. Remaining performance obligations, or RPO, at the end of the first quarter were $74.7 million, representing a 30% year-over-year growth, growing to the highest level we have ever reported and reflecting a solid quarter in terms of new license deals. GAAP gross profit for the first quarter was $11.5 million, representing a gross margin of 89%. Non-GAAP gross profit in the quarter was $11.7 million, representing a gross margin of 91%. Now moving to slide five. Total GAAP operating expense for the first quarter was $20.6 million, compared to $20.3 million in the fourth quarter.
Non-GAAP operating expense in the quarter was $17 million, up 1% sequentially, but 4% lower than the first quarter of 2023, reflecting the team's continued focus on prudent management of our operating expenses. We'll continue to limit spending to strategically critical areas while investing in profitable revenue growth. GAAP operating loss for the first quarter was $9.1 million, compared to a loss of $8.8 million in the prior year period. Non-GAAP operating loss was $5.3 million, or 41%, compared to a loss of $5.6 million in the prior year period. Net loss in the quarter was $9.4 million, or diluted net loss per share of $0.25.
Non-GAAP net loss in the first quarter was $5.6 million, or diluted net loss per share of $0.15, based on approximately 37.7 million weighted average diluted shares outstanding. Moving to slide 6 and turning to the balance sheet and cash flow. We ended the quarter with $53.4 million in cash, cash equivalents, and investments. Free cash flow, which includes capital expenditure, was positive $300,000. This was above the midpoint of our guidance range and in line with the company's goal to be free cash flow positive in the current year. I would now like to turn to our outlook for the second quarter and the full year of 2024 and refer now to slide seven.
I would draw your attention to the fact that our guidance methodology has changed to guiding operating loss and free cash flow in terms of dollars instead of percent of revenue. For the second quarter, we expect ACV plus royalties of $58 million-$62 million, revenue of $13.2 million-$14.2 million, with non-GAAP operating loss of $6.5 million-$4.5 million. Non-GAAP free cash flow of -$1.4 million to +$1.6 million, reflecting strong sales in the first quarter. For the full year 2024, our guidance is as follows: ACV plus royalties to exit 2024 at $62 million-$68 million, up 16% year-over-year at the midpoint. Revenue of $54.5 million-$57.5 million.
Non-GAAP operating loss of between $23.4 million-$19.4 million. Non-GAAP free cash flow of -$2.4 million to +$2.6 million. In conclusion, we are encouraged by the strong start to 2024 in our top line and our effective cost management, which has resulted in above guidance performance in all financial metrics for the first quarter. I'm particularly encouraged by the positive free cash flow generated in the quarter. We aim to maintain this momentum for the remainder of the year. With that, I will turn the call over to the operator to open it up for questions.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. If you have a question, please press star followed by the number one on your touchtone phone. You will hear a three-tone prompt acknowledging your request. If you would like to cancel your request, please press star two. Please ensure you lift the handset if you're using a speakerphone before pressing any keys. One moment, please, for your first question. Your first question comes from the line of Matt Ramsay from TD Cowen. Your line is now open.
Matt Ramsay (Managing Director and Senior Semiconductor Analyst)
Thank you very much, everybody. Good afternoon. First of all, Nick, congrats on the free cash flow. I wanted to ask just a general question around the RPO at almost $75 million and looks like up 30% year-over-year. And just given some of the accounting changes and different things like that, I just wanted to revisit RPO and how deals are flowing into RPO and what that 30% growth is that sort of a sustainable level that you guys think can be reflective of the business going forward? And just kind of remind us how that should sort of peanut butter its way into revenue over time and give sort of confidence in what those free cash flow numbers are on a directional basis? Thanks.
Nick Hawkins (CFO)
Yeah. Hi, Matt. Happy earnings day. As always, a great question. Just a reminder, the way that RPO works is as deals flow in, they flow into RPO. As they get recognized into revenue, RPO amortizes, and so generally, if deals are coming in faster than revenues being recognized, then RPO increases. We have had a sort of a special tailwind by the shift to ratable revenue treatment, because that throttled back the speed at which RPO is being recognized into GAAP revenue. Nevertheless, all of that $74.7 million of RPO will flow into revenue at some point.
So it gives you some sort of understanding of the strength of the future revenue pipeline, if there is such a thing. And that represents somewhere close to a year and a half's worth of run rate revenue, which is essentially in backlog, if you want to—for want of a better word. So yeah, we're pretty encouraged by that. To your question of, can you expect that rate of increase to go on ad infinitum? The answer is logically, not really. It will continue to increase because deal flow is still very strong. But the 30% is in part because of the shift to ratability. But don't expect it to suddenly die and stop growing. It will continue to grow.
Matt Ramsay (Managing Director and Senior Semiconductor Analyst)
Got it. No, that's
Nick Hawkins (CFO)
And could grow quite strongly.
Matt Ramsay (Managing Director and Senior Semiconductor Analyst)
That's helpful, Nick. Just, just remind me really quickly, when, like, which quarter will you guys report where the RPO number year-over-year will be sort of an apple-to-apple?
Nick Hawkins (CFO)
So there's another very good question. So the second quarter of 2023 was when we shifted completely. We did have a couple of vestigial deals in the third quarter and a little bit in the fourth quarter of 2023, that where we hadn't quite managed to stem the non-ratable deals, but now they, now they have gone completely. But to all intents and purposes, we will be apples to apples lapping right-sized numbers by Q2, end of Q2 - end of this quarter, essentially. So going into third quarter, we will be like for like comparable and there won't be this confusion anymore of well, if it hadn't have been for the shift ratability, growth would've been X.
Right now, if we didn't point that out, I think it would be, it would be misleading.
Matt Ramsay (Managing Director and Senior Semiconductor Analyst)
Got it. Now, thank you.
Nick Hawkins (CFO)
So when we're reporting third quarter, essentially, you'll see true like for like.
Matt Ramsay (Managing Director and Senior Semiconductor Analyst)
Got it. My second question, Charles, we've obviously what's happening in AI across, starting in the data center, but then I think gradually getting into client-side devices, automotive, the edge, networking, all the other markets over time. The AI leader in the industry seems to be speeding up its roadmap, and innovation keeps moving at a quicker and quicker pace. I'm wondering if you're seeing that reflected in the interactions that you guys are having with the customer base in terms of the faster things move, it would seem the more likely and more value it would be for folks to use third-party IP for some of these very complicated systems where it's been in stressing internal teams as it was.
Are you seeing that, I don't know, speeding up of the treadmill affecting any of your business conversations, especially as you roll out new products to license?
Charles Janac (CEO)
Yeah, I mean, one of the things that we're learning as we talk to customers is that, you know, we talked about automotive being kind of slow, right? Which is both an advantage and a disadvantage in certain sense. Generative AI, on the other hand, is just the opposite. It's extremely quickly moving because the large language model evaluations and the algorithms are changing very, very quickly, so the silicon has to be done really, really fast in order to make sense for the customers. And then, of course, the lifetime of those designs may be relatively short compared to automotive as well. So, the answer is yes, things are moving. There's a lot of different approaches.
There's a lot of innovations, and, you know, there's, you know, I think we've said that half the design starts that we saw in a quarter were basically machine learning designs and, you know, people are trying to get to very, very fast design cycles, which essentially puts a premium on automation and productivity of system IP generation. So it's an opportunity, for sure.
Matt Ramsay (Managing Director and Senior Semiconductor Analyst)
Nope, that totally makes sense. I guess my last question, and I thought it was very clear in your script, Charlie, that there are still some headwinds in China, but things have certainly stabilized, and there's not any additional things. I guess my question is, is that, do you feel like the where we are right now in China for you guys is a sort of a permanent steady state, or if there were catalysts to, I don't know, unlock the roadblock there and to have things returned a little bit more normal, what would those be, and are they even remotely on the table or likely?
Charles Janac (CEO)
Yeah, I mean, obviously, as a management team, we consider a number of scenarios, right? There's the, you know, scenario where there's some unpleasantness around Taiwan, which will make things worse. But there's also a scenario that U.S. and China will come to some kind of an accommodation, where, you know, where things could get better. Our, You know, on those sort of scenarios, the one that we're banking on is that things stays the same. That basically, the business is going to continue at the current level. We're going to keep getting new customers in China, new design wins, but that it's not gonna go to the, I would say, the previous bonanza, before the headwinds sort of started between China and the U.S.
So we're planning for things to stay the same. We're planning for status quo in terms of our Chinese business.
Matt Ramsay (Managing Director and Senior Semiconductor Analyst)
Nope. Perfectly clear. Thank you for that. Congrats, guys, on the progress. I'll jump back in the queue.
Operator (participant)
Your next question comes from the line of Hans Mosesmann from Rosenblatt. Your line is now open.
Hans Mosesmann (Managing Director)
Yeah, thanks. Hey, congrats guys, on the free cash flow. Hey, Charlie, can you give us a sense on, you know, ASP trends, on, over the past quarter, licensing, royalties? How's that trend, or how's it looking as the year progresses?
Charles Janac (CEO)
So, the ASPs have been growing nicely. We're pretty much on track, you know, with the ASP trends that we discussed on the IPO a couple of years ago, where, you know, as we get more products into the market with higher ASPs, and as the chips get more complex and use more system IP, the ASP is growing very nicely. And I think, you know, our financials show that, right? So that trend continues. And what we said is that we're gonna be at a $1 million average by 2026 ASP, and I think that can very easily happen.
Hans Mosesmann (Managing Director)
Right now, they're around half of that?
Charles Janac (CEO)
Yeah. So right now, I would say it's a little bit, you know, I think last year we were somewhere around $460,000. Now we're probably over $500,000, probably $550,000, something like this. But the reason that we know we're on track is that a number of the deals are over $1 million. And so, you know, it's definitely not, you know, it's actually probable that eventually the average deal will be over $1 million. So the ASPs are going well.
Nick Hawkins (CFO)
Hey, Hans, this is Nick. Nice to catch up again. One other piece of color, in addition to Charles's commentary, there is, when you look at royalties, we've had this conversation before. Royalties, the ASP and royalties is also in the ascendancy, as we have transitioned away from several years ago into being dominated by the mobility market, the cell phone, smartphone market, with very small royalty rates now to more dominant, dominated by automotive, which has probably three times the royalty rate of smartphones and similar devices. And some are much higher than that. As Charles likes to point out, the space type application has substantially higher ASP.
So, that's another drag factor to the upside.
Hans Mosesmann (Managing Director)
Okay, that's helpful. And just a question. Back in the IPO, you guys had, and since then, I guess, you've been saying that in automotive platforms, you could see as many SoCs per car, you know, north of 20 or maybe between 20 and 25, from what it was a few years ago, you know, maybe three or four. Is that still seen that to happen over the next several years?
Charles Janac (CEO)
Yes, absolutely.
Nick Hawkins (CFO)
I think we're pretty much on track to where that was originally conceived in terms of the timeline.
Charles Janac (CEO)
Yeah.
Nick Hawkins (CFO)
I mean, we
Hans Mosesmann (Managing Director)
Okay, good.
Nick Hawkins (CFO)
Yeah.
Charles Janac (CEO)
It can be more. I mean, you know, we've had a discussion with a customer, and you know, they were telling us that they need 46 cameras for level four driving, right? So that would imply SoC consumption way in advance of basically having four camera SoCs, right? So, you know, yeah, we feel pretty comfortable with that projection.
Hans Mosesmann (Managing Director)
Okay. Then the last question, and I'll let, I'll go back in the queue. The time from licensing to tape out or from time to license to production for your customer engagements has that changed over the past couple of years?
Charles Janac (CEO)
So, it has. I mean, in a particular vertical, it has not, right? So, the automotive designs still take 2.5-3 years. What has changed is that as people do more generative AI designs, and those designs, the large language models and the algorithmic technologies that are being employed, you know, have impact on the underlying silicon. And so that segment is moving very, very fast, much faster than any other segment that we've seen. People are looking for nine-month design cycles or less, and product life cycles probably of one or two years only. And so that segment is moving very, very fast, and that would, on the average, lower the design term.
But within each individual segment, we're not seeing much change because we enable people to go faster, but the chips are more complex, right? So there's a constant fight between automation and productivity and complexity within each segment.
Hans Mosesmann (Managing Director)
Okay, that Right, right. Right. Oh, that makes sense. All right, guys, I'll go back into the queue. Thanks.
Operator (participant)
As a reminder, should you have a question, please press star followed by the number one on your touchtone phone. Your next question comes from the line of Kevin Garrigan from WestPark Capital. Your line is now open.
Kevin Garrigan (Equity Research Analyst)
Yeah. Hey, Charles and Nick, good afternoon. Let me echo my congrats on the progress. Going off of Hans's question regarding kind of SoCs and cars, I know you gave an example of a customer looking for, you know, multiple vision cameras. You know, you're seeing a lot more automotive OEMs kind of introduce, I would say, infotainment features right now, while ADAS may be taking a little bit longer than expected. So is there kind of one category that you're seeing more designs for currently than others, like maybe infotainment or the design starts, you know, kind of focusing on all functions across the board?
Charles Janac (CEO)
So, we're seeing, I mean, the automotive progress continues, right? So we're seeing some more tier ones starting to build chips. We're starting to see some more OEMs build chips, right? In terms of categories, you know, there's a lot of noise and publicity about automated driving, but we don't see the design activity really changing a whole lot, right? Because those electronic decisions are made seven-eight years before deployment. So, on the design side, we're not seeing any slowdown in the, you know, in the automotive driving direction.
It's just that people are realizing, and we've been saying, I've been feeling this all along, is that the automated driving in a city environment is gonna be exceedingly difficult without changing the cities, and therefore, will take a lot longer. But on highways and secondary driveway, highways, you know, primary highways and secondary highways, automated driving is highly useful and very practical and very valuable. And that will continue.
Kevin Garrigan (Equity Research Analyst)
Okay, perfect. Thanks, Charles. I appreciate that color. And just as a follow-up, so you had noted that there are several more evaluations and prospective customers in the pipeline for FlexNoC 5. Do you expect many of these customers to kind of decide sooner rather than later whether to use Arteris, or is it more kind of maybe an end-of-year phenomenon?
Charles Janac (CEO)
No, I mean FlexNoC 5, ACV has been doing very well, right? So, it's the penetration is meeting expectations. The second-generation physical awareness provides very valuable capability to customers below 60 Nm. And you know, FlexNoC 5 has a you know, a 30% pricing uptick. And so that's a combination of value and ASP increase that really helps the business. And what we're looking forward to is you know, sometime this year to announce some further innovation that will you know, further provide additional value.
Kevin Garrigan (Equity Research Analyst)
Okay, perfect. Thanks, guys.
Nick Hawkins (CFO)
Thanks, Kevin.
Charles Janac (CEO)
Thanks, Kevin.
Operator (participant)
Your next question comes from the line of Gus Richard from Northland. Your line is now open.
Gus Richard (Analyst)
Yes. Thanks for letting me ask a few questions, and congratulations on entering the Promised Land free, a positive free cash flow.
Charles Janac (CEO)
Oh, yes, we promised it, and we're doing our absolute best to make it happen.
Gus Richard (Analyst)
You, you delivered. In the press release, you mentioned, you know, five deals with 30 of the top global technology companies. And I was just wondering if you could explain exactly what you mean by top 30 global tech companies. Is it semis? Is it hyperscalers? Is it by market cap? Is it by revenue? You know, just a little bit more color on that statement.
Charles Janac (CEO)
Yeah. So in order to have a sort of a unified methodology, we're going by market cap. And so, it's basically top 20 semiconductor companies, by market cap, and then top 10, system houses by market cap. And together, they make up the, we call the top 30. It's the Arteris Top 30 Technology Index.
Gus Richard (Analyst)
Got it. And then which, which buckets were those five companies in, the semi companies or the, you know, system houses?
Charles Janac (CEO)
Both. Both sides.
Gus Richard (Analyst)
Oh, okay.
Charles Janac (CEO)
Yeah, the reason we didn't wanna do revenue, we go by revenue, is because the revenue from the public semiconductor companies is available, but you don't know what the system house chip revenue really is, right? So,
Gus Richard (Analyst)
Sure.
Charles Janac (CEO)
That's why it just made market cap, just made sense from a sort of a unified methodology perspective.
Gus Richard (Analyst)
Got it. And then just looking at the numbers and, you know, and sort of realizing, you know, how your cash works, is it reasonable to assume that the bookings in the quarter are on the order of $6 million?
Nick Hawkins (CFO)
Sorry, ask that question again, Gus. I didn't get the tail end of it.
Gus Richard (Analyst)
Oh, sure. You know, just looking at sort of your accounting and making some back-of-the-envelope calculations, is it reasonable to assume that bookings were on the order of $6 million in the quarter?
Nick Hawkins (CFO)
No, hopefully, hopefully, a lot more than that.
Charles Janac (CEO)
Yeah, a lot more than that.
Nick Hawkins (CFO)
'Cause, I mean, our OpEx runs at sort of high 70s. Sorry, not high 70s, 17s, in the quarter. So yeah, but basically TCV of bookings, total contract value, has to run in terms of collections in excess of that to be cash flow positive in the quarter. And then you've got plus or minus working capital shifts at the end of the quarter or the beginning of the quarter, which can sometimes mess things up a little bit. But that's the basic deal. So, bookings, which is what we would call TCV plus royalties, we would throw into that bucket, so it's everything together have to be north of the OpEx number.
Gus Richard (Analyst)
Okay, got it.
Nick Hawkins (CFO)
The non-GAAP, the non-GAAP OpEx, because... It has to be the non-GAAP OpEx because, obviously, the SBC is not a cash expense, if that makes any sense.
Gus Richard (Analyst)
Got it.
Nick Hawkins (CFO)
Does that make sense, Gus?
Gus Richard (Analyst)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that does indeed. And then, you know, typically you guys announce a new product every year, and I'm just wondering, are there any thoughts on, you know, sort of when and what new product might be this year?
Charles Janac (CEO)
Not ready to announce. But what we said is that we expect there to be impact on revenue in the second half.
Gus Richard (Analyst)
Okay.
Charles Janac (CEO)
That's not changed from the fourth quarter to this quarter. We know we've been working very hard. We've been making progress, and we still feel that we're gonna make good on that statement.
Gus Richard (Analyst)
Got it.
Charles Janac (CEO)
And we're very excited about it too.
Gus Richard (Analyst)
Yeah. That, that's it for me. Thanks so much.
Charles Janac (CEO)
Thanks, Gus.
Nick Hawkins (CFO)
Thank you, Gus.
Operator (participant)
There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call over to Charles Janac for closing comments.
Charles Janac (CEO)
Thank you, everyone, for the good questions and being on the call, and we look forward to seeing most of you at the upcoming conferences that we're participating in. We look forward to updating you on the progress of the company. Thank you very much.
Operator (participant)
That concludes our question and answer session. Have a great call, and you may now disconnect.