Allot - Q1 2023

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Operator (participant)

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to Allot's First Quarter 2023 Results Conference Call. All participants are at present in listen-only mode. Following management's formal presentation, instructions will be given for the question and answer session. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. You should have all received by now the company's press release. If you have not received it, please contact Allot's Investor Relations team at EK Global Investor Relations at 12123788040, or view it in the news section of the company's website at www.allot.com. I would now like to hand over the call to Mr. Kenny Green of EK Global Investor Relations. Mr. Green, please go ahead.

Kenny Green (Co-Founder and Director)

Thank you, operator. Welcome all to Allot First Quarter 2023 Conference Call. I would like to welcome all of you to this conference call, and I would like to thank Allot management for hosting this call. With us on the call today are Mr. Erez Antebi, President and CEO, and Mr. Ziv Leitman, CFO. Erez will provide an opening statement and summarize the key highlights of the quarter. We will then open the call to the question and answer session, and both Erez and Ziv will be available to answer those questions. You can all find the financial highlights and metrics, including those we typically discuss on the conference call in today's earnings press release. Before we start, I'd like to point out the safe harbor statement. This conference call contains projections or other forward-looking statements regarding future events or the future performance of the company.

These statements are only predictions and Allot cannot guarantee that they will in fact occur. Allot does not assume any obligation to update that information. Actual events or results may differ materially from those projected, including as a result of the impact due to the COVID-19 pandemic, changing market trends, delays in the launch of services by customers, reduced demand and the competitive nature of the security systems industry, as well as other risks identified in the documents filed by the company with the Securities and Exchange Commission. With that, I'd now like to hand the call over to Erez Antebi. Erez, please go ahead.

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

Thank you, Kenny. I'd like to welcome all of you to our conference call. Thank you for joining us today. Our first quarter revenues were $21.1 million, 34% lower than comparable revenues last year. In March 2023, our CCaaS ARR was $9.3 million, slightly above our CCaaS ARR in December 2022, and 58% higher than our CCaaS ARR for March 2022. The beginning of 2023 was challenging for us. The transition of the business into CCaaS recurring revenue model has proven to be slower than we originally anticipated. In addition, our core DPI business experienced some headwinds. While we don't expect those challenges to disappear in the near term, given the tough economic backdrop, we continue to make progress with the aspects of the business that we can control. I remain optimistic about our future.

During today's call, I will discuss the challenges we are facing, the opportunities we see, and why I am confident in the future. As we discussed in our previous earnings call, we remain committed to reaching profitability for the full year 2024. While our OpEx may fluctuate from quarter to quarter because there are many factors that affect the total OpEx, we intend to continue tightly controlling our expenses in order to reduce our loss in 2023, as we toward reaching profitability for the full year 2024. Our OpEx in the first quarter was $22.4 million, a reduction of 19% compared to our OpEx in the fourth quarter of 2022, some of which was due to one-time items.

During the second quarter, we implemented another reduction of our workforce to further control our expenses, the impact of which we will start seeing in the third quarter. During the first quarter, our cash balance fell by $9.1 million. We experienced some delays in collections as a result of some of our customers implementing tighter cash controls. I see this as a timing issue, and I do not see a risk on these collections. This cash burn is of course higher than we would like it to be, and we expect to lessen the cash burn during the third and fourth quarters of this year. Specifically, as our cost-cutting efforts come into effect, together with a projected increase in revenues, we expect to reduce our operating loss and improve our cash flow.

Our gross margin in the first quarter was 67% due to lower revenues and our deal mix. We continue to target a gross margin of 70% for 2024. I would like to discuss our different product lines. I would like to start by discussing our traffic management and analytics business addressed by our Allot Smart, excuse me, product line. The main use cases we see today in CSPs continue to be in traffic management, congestion management, quality of user experience, especially for video, policy and charging control, and digital enforcement. As governments look to fight crime and terrorism, we see a growing interest globally in being able to block illegal activities such as drug trafficking, child pornography, and terrorism.

We have solutions that address these issues, and we are seeing growing interest in our product. Many CSPs today are relooking at their network needs. In developing countries, we see a growing number of opportunities where CSPs are looking to replace end-of-life DPI products. In developed countries, we are seeing some rethinking of network needs as CSPs look at deploying new 5G standalone, quote-unquote, cores. We continue to see multiple opportunities globally, where CSPs currently using our competitors' products are considering a change. We are working closely with quite a few such CSPs to win their trust and business, becoming their next choice for DPI. Most of these processes are through a competitive bidding process, and some are potentially negotiated deals. In addition, we are working on expanding deals that we previously won.

Specifically, during the first quarter, we won a project in EMEA to install a DPI system for a new customer that did not have such a system before. As we stated on the last earnings call, while we continue to see in our pipeline a similar combination of replacement opportunities and new deals, and while we remain excited about these opportunities, we also recognize that we are facing several challenges that continue to make it more difficult for us to provide a definite forecast. First, as discussed in previous earnings calls, it is taking us longer to close DPI deals than in the past, and the total number of DPI bids for CSPs we are seeing is not growing. I believe this has to do with the general economic environment and tighter expense control by CSPs.

Second, in the enterprise market, we believe the growth we saw as a result of the Broadcom deal has peaked, we do not expect further growth in this market. As we stated during our last earnings call, while we have a strong pipeline of large deals for the year, the dynamics I just discussed, together with potential lumpiness of large deals, makes it challenging to predict the timing of revenue recognition for our DPI business. As a result, we do not expect to see growth in our DPI segment for 2023. However, we also do not believe that the contraction will be more than 5%-10% in 2023. Our receivables were reduced this quarter by four and a half million dollars.

In the previous earnings call, I noted that we had some growth in our receivables from sales to resellers in Africa and Latin America who are late on their payments to us. While we have not yet collected these amounts, we reassessed the late payments and determined that the payments remain collectible. I want to turn your attention now to what we see in our cybersecurity business and how the market is developing. As I have said in previous calls, Allot is transforming into a cybersecurity company, and this is where we see most of our future growth coming from. We are engaged worldwide with CSPs that are looking to provide their customers with network-based CCaaS. As we look at the market, we see that the direction and momentum of operators interested in launching network-based security services continues to be very positive.

We see that in many markets. The various operators provide services that are on par with respect to speed, coverage, and reliability. As they look for differentiation, network-based security is emerging as an important element. Because it is a service native to the operator's network security is directly coupled to the access network itself. There are several tier one operators who have reached the conclusion that providing network-based security to their customers is of significant importance to them, and they are discussing with us how to do so. The largest signed CCaaS opportunity for Allot with a tier one operator is the contract we signed with Verizon Business, which we discussed previously. Recently, we announced that we signed a deal with a tier one fixed broadband operator in Latin America to provide security services to their customers.

We announced that PPF Group in Central and Eastern Europe is expanding its cooperation with us. Following a successful service launch in Bulgaria, PPF decided to expand and provide security services in four other European countries. I believe these deals are a testament to the importance CSPs see in providing businesses and consumers with network-based security services. We are in contract negotiations with several other operators globally where we were awarded deals but have not yet signed the contracts. We are in serious discussions with additional operators where an award has yet to be provided. As we discussed in previous calls, I want to remind you that we changed our strategy for Allot Secure business.

We are putting more emphasis on strategic accounts that can have a high revenue impact, while in small to medium deals we are looking for some customers' assurance in setting minimum revenue thresholds. While this approach might affect the number of deals we sign, it will allow us to get to profitability sooner. We remain excited about our CCaaS opportunity as we have a differentiated and scalable solution for CSP. Our CCaaS revenues for the first quarter were $2.3 million, and the CCaaS ARR at the end of the first quarter was $9.3 million, a significant growth year-over-year. As of March 31st, 2023, we have 27 signed customers, but eight of them are canceled and discontinued, mainly to our strategy to focus on large customers.

Unfortunately, only 14 have started to generate revenues, and most of them are relatively small operators, and most of them launched the service only to a portion of their subscriber base. There are several more launches planned for this year. As we have discussed previously, our main challenge today in CCaaS business is to translate the contracts we signed into revenues. The first challenge is to launch the service. This process involves many stakeholders on the CSP side, technical, operational, marketing, purchasing, and more. They all have multiple other tasks and priorities. Often, integration of our products with different internal IT systems is required. A major challenge we have is the marketing aggressiveness of the CSPs when launching the CCaaS service.

Aggressive go-to-market approaches can include, among others, proactively offering the service in every customer interaction, bundling the security offering in the price plan for some or all of the customers, et cetera. The willingness of the CSP to commit to an aggressive go-to-market approach in the contract is, to a degree, an indication of how strategic this service is to them. These discussions sometimes take time and further delay the launch, I think they are very important to our long-term success, as well as to the CSP success of this deal. I believe Far EasTone in Taiwan is a strong testimony to the value generated when a CSP views security as a strategic offering, and the executive decision is to launch the service aggressively.

In only three months from the service launch, Far EasTone reached nearly 200,000 subscribers in service, and the number is continuing to grow rapidly. As we discussed in the previous earning call, and in line with what I discussed above, we changed certain elements of our approach to the market. One, we shifted our focus from quote-unquote "land grab" for market share and number of CSPs to CSPs that have significant revenue potential. Two, we are approaching the CSPs as partners, not as customers. We are pushing very hard to have CSPs we engage with contractually commit to an aggressive go-to-market strategy. CSPs of medium size that will not commit to an aggressive go-to-market approach, and small CSPs, regardless of their planned go-to-market approach, are offered commercial terms where our revenues are not dependent on their marketing success.

We expect some of these CSPs may agree to this and some may not. I expect these changes will reduce the number of new CSPs we sign up. It will allow us to focus our resources, smaller number of CSPs that see more strategic value in the CCaaS service, which should drive profitable revenue growth for Allot. As I look at the deals we signed and those that are in the pipeline, I am convinced that the size of the market remains huge. While I am disappointed with the current pace at which our revenues are materializing, I remain confident in our ability to achieve our long-term goals. Looking ahead, I want to summarize our expectations for 2023. As I stated, we remain committed to reaching profitability for the full year 2024.

This will be achieved through some revenue growth, mainly in CCaaS, combined with tight expense control. We continue to believe our net cash reduction and our operating loss through the year 2023 will be between $15 million and $20 million. We expect CCaaS revenues for 2023 to be between $11 million and $13 million. We expect the CCaaS ARR for December 2023 to be between $15 million and $20 million, and our total ARR, including support and maintenance, to be between $56 million and $63 million. We expect our total revenues for the full year 2023 to be between $110 million and $120 million. Regarding the second quarter, we expect the second quarter revenues to be approximately $25 million.

Given the lumpiness of the DPI business that we mentioned earlier, we do expect notably higher quarterly revenues as we move into the second half of 2023. Our strategy remains the same. While we believe that our DPI business has limited growth potential, we think we can maintain a stable level of revenues through new use cases and market share gains. The lumpiness of the business makes it difficult to forecast over short time frames. Our CCaaS business is where we see our significant future growth. While our CCaaS revenues are being recognized later than we would have liked and later than we expected, I remain convinced of the large potential of this business, and I'm confident that it will grow significantly in the coming years.

I have full faith in our company, our team, and our products, and I believe the actions we are taking make these goals achievable. Now I would like to open the call for Q&A. Ziv and myself will be available to take your questions. Operator?

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we will begin the question-and-answer session. If you have a question, please press star one. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star two. If you are using speaker equipment, kindly lift the handset before pressing the number. Your questions will be polled in the order they are received. Please stand by while we poll for your questions. The first question is from Eric Martinuzzi of Lake Street. Please go ahead.

Eric Martinuzzi (Senior Research Analyst)

Congrats on the Q1 results. I wanted to talk about the Q2 guide with regard to full-year guide on the revenue. If I look at, assuming we achieve the Q2 revenue guidance of $25 million, that would put you at $46 million for the front half, implying, you know, an incremental $69 million for the back half to get to the midpoint of the guided revenue range. Obviously, that implies a pretty substantial step up. You'd be looking at $34.5 million per quarter on average in Q3 and Q4. I understand there may be a difference between the two quarters, but you'd be averaging, you know, that $34 million-$35 million range. Given that large step up, I'm curious to know, you know, what do you see in the pipeline that supports that substantial step up?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

We think that, we have a pretty healthy pipeline. Currently, we feel comfortable that we will achieve those revenues.

Eric Martinuzzi (Senior Research Analyst)

Do you see there.

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

I cannot be more specific about names and timing.

Eric Martinuzzi (Senior Research Analyst)

Okay. You're pretty confident that there's, I mean, it would imply there's a substantial number of deals that are just, that are there, that are pretty close, and that we're comfortable they're gonna cross the finish line in the back half.

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

This is our assumption, that we will be able to sign new deals, and those deals we will recognize as revenue in the second half of the year. Some of the revenue will come from deals that we expect to sign and we feel very comfortable that we will sign. Some of it will come from deals that were already signed, and we expect to recognize in the second half.

Eric Martinuzzi (Senior Research Analyst)

Shifting over to the CCaaS side of the house, one of the tactical moves you made or talked about making on the fourth quarter call was a focus on sales efforts across just a handful of meaningful carriers to really go after the CCaaS business. I'd like to get an update on those handful of carriers. Do you feel like you are making progress there? Has there been evidence of penetration at those targeted carriers?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

You know, let's say, I think the answer is yes, we've made progress. At least in, at least in the planning stages, I would say, because evidently from the numbers you see, it's not yet reflected in the ARR number. I think that the basic understanding that, okay, there's no point in launching something that is small and not aggressive and so on, I think that's very clear. I think that we're seeing that operators who are, who, how should I say it, who accept that network-based security is of strategic value, show that they go. Not only show, sorry.

They first of all decide on it, then when they go and implement, at least those have done so so far, show significant growth. The example I gave is Far EasTone from Taiwan. It's, I can tell you that that they view the network-based security as a key element for them as an operator. They think it's a differentiator. They think it's very important. That's from the executive level, and therefore, from the executive level down. We're seeing the very fast growth rate that they're that they are experiencing.

Eric Martinuzzi (Senior Research Analyst)

Understand. Last question for me comes to the OpEx. You had operating expenses of $22.4 million in Q1. You said you have reduced your expense. What can we look for, either on an annualized basis or if you want to give an operating expense, maybe not in Q2, but in Q3? What should that $22.4 million look like in Q3?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

First of all, as we said, we had some one-time items in Q1. Probably in Q2, the number will be a little bit higher. On Q3, we will have the effect of the, of the measures that we took already, and then it will go down again. Regarding the yearly number, it depends what will be the outlook of the revenues and whether there will be other measures. As we said over and over, we are committed to finish the year in such an OpEx platform that will enable us to be profitable in 2024.

Eric Martinuzzi (Senior Research Analyst)

I'm sorry. Could you restate that? You said there were one-time items in Q1. I assume those were expense items that would not recur, but you said Q2 operating expense would be higher or lower than Q1?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

I guess that the Q2 OpEx might be higher. The Q3 will be lower.

Eric Martinuzzi (Senior Research Analyst)

Got it. Thank you for taking my questions.

Operator (participant)

The next question is from Nehal Chokshi of Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Nehal Chokshi (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)

Yeah, thank you. On the DPI market, Erez, you talked about how you believe that this can stabilize and be flattish. Are you talking about from calendar 2022 levels or calendar 2023 levels?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

Look, on 23 levels, we said we might even expect the country of some contraction of 5%-10%. I would say on the multi-year level, I think we should look at this flattish.

Nehal Chokshi (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)

From the calendar 2022 level?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

Yeah, I would say. I would think so.

Nehal Chokshi (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)

Okay. On the CCaaS ARR, why was that effectively flat Q to Q?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

The, you know, at the end, it blended into the ARR and the rev, of course, the revenues, but the ARR is a blended due to, you know, what is the penetration with the customer? How much did it go up, a lot or a little? What happened to the exchange rate? We're starting to get different, so to say, currencies. There's also an effect which, I think will create, will make the growth less flat, which is that we're signing up customers today, and we talked about it, that we'll sign up customers with a minimum, with a minimum recurring revenue, to us.

When a customer like that launches, then we see an immediate jump in the ARR because they have to pay a minimum fee. The, their customer base, starts at zero, obviously, when the launch starts growing, and yet the ARR from that customer does not grow because they're paying a minimum fee. It will start growing again only once they cross that minimum threshold. We can, and I would expect to see sometimes, like, jumps in the ARR and then a bit flattening and then again jumps and so on.

Nehal Chokshi (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)

What was the impact of FX on CCaaS ARR on a Q to Q basis?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

Not sure. Could you repeat the question? I'm not sure I understood it.

Nehal Chokshi (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)

How much of a headwind was FX or currency?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

Oh.

Nehal Chokshi (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)

On a Q-over-Q basis for CCaaS ARR?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

From, Q4 to Q1, it was a very small number. Yeah. Not significant.

Nehal Chokshi (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)

Okay. Are you seeing elevated levels of churn within your customer base, within the customer's customers?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

I don't think... You know, first of all, let's understand what we know, what we see and can measure. Mobile operators, less so fixed operators, mobile operators, they have relatively high churn rates of their customer base. Irrespective, it has nothing to do with security. They have relatively high churn rates as customers move from one mobile operator to another. We don't know if a specific customer has churned off our network or not. What we know is the total number at the end of every month. Are there cases where customers where that number is reduced for security services? Yes, there are, I think in the vast majority, they continue to grow.

Nehal Chokshi (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)

Okay. Coming back to the DPI business, can you explain the Broadcom dynamic with a little bit more detail there?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

Sure. I'm repeating or reminding things that we talked about in previous calls. We signed the agreement with Broadcom in twenty twenty.

Eric Martinuzzi (Senior Research Analyst)

Three years ago.

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

Three years ago. 2020. The essence was Broadcom had acquired a company that, I think was Symantec. Through a series of acquisitions, Broadcom ended up with a product line of Packeteer, which was a competitor of Allot in the enterprise business. Broadcom ended up with that through a series of acquisitions. The deal we signed with Broadcom wanted out of that business. It's not synergetic to any or strategic to them. What they wanted was a continuity for their customer base, not to basically screw their customers. The deal we signed with them is that they would refer the value-added resellers, distributors and the end customer.

They will tell them, okay, that they, Broadcom, are discontinuing the Packeteer product line. If somebody wants a replacement or continue with a similar service, here is the recommendation. Work with Allot. You know, contact Allot, and Allot will provide you a good product that will replace the Packeteer one. We had a nice bump in sales during a couple of years where we had new VARs joining our distribution team, new VARs, new resellers. We had a bunch of customers, quite a lot actually, replacing their end-of-life Packeteer product with an Allot product. You know, there's only so much.

Sort of, there are only so many customers you can replace, and then they become our customers, and we can serve them, but we're not selling them new equipment. That's why we saw a nice growth in the enterprise sales, and now that is quieting down. I think that's reached more or less its peak.

Marc Silk (CEO and Potfolior Manager)

What was the contribution on an annualized basis at peak levels?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

I'm not sure I have the number off the top of my head, but that's probably around, I don't know, but I would estimate it around $5 million-$7 million from the Broadcom deal on an annual basis, something like that.

Marc Silk (CEO and Potfolior Manager)

Got it. Okay. Very good. Okay. Thank you for taking my questions.

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

Sure.

Operator (participant)

The next question is from Marc Silk of Silk Investment Advisors. Please go ahead.

Marc Silk (CEO and Potfolior Manager)

Thank you for taking my questions. I wanna start, like, let's drill down on the future of the Allot SmartPCC product line. In the past, you've mentioned that the CSPs are basically reexamining the composition of their network, moving to 5G, need to replace end-of-life products, traffic and congestion management, quality of user experience, governments looking to fight crime and terrorism and blocking illegal activities. Granted because of the slowing economy, appears like it is a slow-growing business for now, but in a few years, could this business surprise on the upside based on all the solutions discussed in the past?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

It may. I think there's I think that in DPI there's definitely in the whole concept of monitoring and managing traffic intelligently on the network based on what application it is, what is it doing, what are user requirements, how to handle congestion and so on, I think there's tremendous value in that for the operators. It may very well, sometime in the future, it may very well grow a bit. Right now, as we look at this year, we look at next year, I can't say that I see that, hence the guidance that we give.

Marc Silk (CEO and Potfolior Manager)

Having said that, would you say that this business is worth more or less than it was 5 years ago, assuming again that 3 to 5 years from now, there could be some future growth?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

Yeah, you know, it's, the value of the business is a somewhat subjective term. It may be more about depends how much you believe in what will be, how much you will look at the short term, what the market valuations are. Other than, quoting you the current stock price, I don't know how to answer your question.

Marc Silk (CEO and Potfolior Manager)

All right. 'Cause I guess the point I'm making is, you know, 5 years ago, one of your competitors bought out at 2 and, 2.5, 2.8 times sales, which would be like based on your business, $7+ a share. It's just, there's a disconnect between the pieces of your business and what the fact that you're selling it 0.5 times sales minus the cash. I just think that it's frustrating as, again, whether it's the perception that maybe you haven't hit your numbers or what, but it's just, it's frustrating that there's a business there that's worth a hell of a lot more than your stock is trading for. That was kinda my point on that.

Moving on, the recent deal, the recent announcement in March 9th, Taiwan, for Far EasTone, reached about 200,000 subscribers in 3 months. Is any of that revenue, Did that revenue start in the second quarter or the first?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

No, we already saw that revenue in the first quarter. We saw some of it.

Marc Silk (CEO and Potfolior Manager)

Okay. Can you utilize this? You can show this to your other customers, how, what they've done and how quickly they've been able to ramp up? Has that been a benefit to you?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

Yes. I mean, That was the main rationale behind that, issuing the press release, to be able to share it with other customers and show them, "Look, this is what they're doing. Look, look how quick it is," and discuss with them what it means, Far EasTone did in order to achieve such result. You know, and I'm happy to say that Far EasTone was willing for us to share this information with other customers. Not many operators are willing to let us share specific numbers and detailed information because they're wary of their own competition.

Far EasTone in this case, they started with a press release in Taiwan in Chinese, stating all this, and they allowed us simply to repeat the information to the rest of the world.

Marc Silk (CEO and Potfolior Manager)

Okay, that's great. Can you give us color on the fact that you brought this to your other customers and what has their reaction been?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

It's, it's part of a picture, right? It's not a standalone, okay, they heard this and now they're gonna change their mind. They see that Verizon is doing this and doing it successfully. They see that Verizon has decided to launch this service to their SMB customers. It's the culmination of this, I think is what is bringing us those new deals and what is enabling us to have, I would say, significant backing and proof points when we come and discuss with various operators the go-to-market. We tell them why we believe that they should be committing to a stronger go-to-market, not just because we like it, but because it really works.

It's, you know, it's not a one-for-one equation, but I think it's a, it's a significant piece of the proof points that we assemble. We have in Allot, and I think I talked about this in previous calls. We have in Allot within our marketing team, we set up a group, we call them CVMs or customer value managers. That what they do is they assemble the information that we have from all the various customers on what their go-to-market is, how successful it is, what is the rate of growth, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Then they work with specific customers that they are assigned to. It's a group of people.

Each one has a specific customer base that they work with, and they work with their marketing departments to show them how they can get there. In many cases, we're able to influence, not in all, but in many cases, we're able to influence the marketing teams of other operators and show them, here's what other operators have done. Therefore, if you will do it, you will be more successful. Where we're successful in convincing them, they actually implement it. Most of the time the information is anonymized. In a case like Far EasTone, it's less anonymized, which is good.

Marc Silk (CEO and Potfolior Manager)

Okay, that's great. To add on to another positive is, you know, Verizon. I would think that that deal brings you more credibility than you ever had, based on their due diligence and basically who they are. How has that impacted your potential future business? When can we see dollar one from that deal?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

Unfortunately, I cannot reveal what the Verizon launch plans are for the service because they consider that a confidential information from their perspective. How does this affect our future business? It is, I think I agree with you that this is, this is a very, very strong, you know, let's say not only testament, it's more than that. We've talked to several customers that once they saw what Verizon is doing, their level of interest went up significantly. If Verizon's doing it must be the smart thing, let's take a much, much closer look at it. I think it's a very big positive.

Marc Silk (CEO and Potfolior Manager)

That is exciting. All right. On May 11th, you announced the deal with the tier one fixed broadband provider in Latin America. Congratulations on that. I know you're going to the bigger customers, but also is this a combination of also going to customers that are gonna show, let's just say, the desire to get this to market sooner, or this is, or that's not necessarily the case?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

Not necessarily the case. you know, and, I would say that in Latin America, things sometimes take longer than in the rest of the world. I'm not sure that they will take this to market sooner. I think they're working on it. They will take this to market. I believe they will take it to market. I think, it's a very large opportunity for us, but I'm not really building on it for the short term.

Marc Silk (CEO and Potfolior Manager)

Okay. My last question is, so you said, yep, so the 19 CCaaS deals, 14 generating revenue, all small. What doesn't add up is since 2022, there's been 8 announcements of tier one. Some of these are in small businesses. I'm not gonna go through all the press releases. Did some of these just never materialize?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

Again, those that have not launched and are not producing revenue, we don't count on as ones that have launched. We did say that we had some deals that we signed, even some that we announced that we signed and then we later canceled because they were not real. They were not going to launch. They were not committed. It didn't make sense to continue to pursue them. Marc, as we said, the number of, we signed 27 customer agreements, 8 are discontinued. Out of the 19, 14 started to generate revenue, but it doesn't mean that they launched the service to their entire install base.

Marc Silk (CEO and Potfolior Manager)

Okay. Well, good luck, and thank you for taking my questions.

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

Thank you. Thank you.

Operator (participant)

If there are any additional questions, please press star one. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star two. Please stand by while we poll for more questions. There are no further questions at this time. Mr. Antebi, would you like to make your concluding statement?

Erez Antebi (President and CEO)

Sure. I want to thank you all for joining us today. I want to thank you for your interest and your long-term support in Allot. I look forward to talking to you on our next quarterly call. Thank you very much.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. This concludes the Allot first quarter 2023 results conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may go ahead and disconnect.