Air Transport Services Group - Q4 2022

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Speaker 0

Day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Air Transport Services Group 4th Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised today's conference is being recorded.

I would like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Joe Payne, Chief Legal Officer. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good morning and welcome to our Q4 2022 earnings conference call. We issued our earnings release yesterday after the market closed. It's on our website, atsginc.com. Let me begin by advising you that during the course of this call, we will make projections and other forward looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. Our actual results and other future events may differ materially from those we describe here.

These forward looking statements are based on information, to reflect changes in underlying assumptions, factors, new information or other changes. These factors include, but are not limited to, Unplanned changes in the market demand for our assets and services, our operating airlines' ability to maintain on time service and control costs, The cost and timing with respect to which we are able to purchase and modify aircraft to a cargo configuration. Fluctuations in ATSG's traded share price and in interest rates, which may result in mark to market charges on certain financial instruments. The number, timing and scheduled routes of our aircraft deployments to customers, our ability to remain in compliance with key agreements with customers, lenders which may be more severe or persist longer than we currently expect the impact of the current competitive labor market Changes in general economic and or industry specific conditions, factors relating to the COVID-nineteen pandemic, including that the pandemic may continue for a longer period or its effect on commercial and military passenger flying maybe more substantial than we currently expect. Disruptions in our workforce and staffing capability, Disruptions in our ability to access airports and maintenance facilities will adversely impact our customers' creditworthiness and the continuing ability of our vendors and third party service providers to maintain customary service levels and other factors as contained from time to time in Continuing operations, including adjusted earnings, adjusted earnings per share, adjusted pre tax earnings, adjusted EBITDA and adjusted cash flow.

Management believes these metrics are useful to investors in assessing ATSG's financial position and results. These non GAAP measures are not meant to be a substitute for our GAAP financials. We advise you to refer to the reconciliations to GAAP measures, which are included in our earnings release and on our website. And now, I'll turn the call over to Rich Corrado, our President and CEO, for his opening comments.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Joe. Good morning, everyone. 2022 was an exceptional year for ATSG. Even with rapid inflation and delays at our 767 freighter conversion vendor, your company still exceeded its 2022 financial goals of $640,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA and $2 in adjusted EPS. We also began to invest in new freighter platforms from the Airbus family, while maintaining our leadership in Boeing 767 Freighter Leasing.

I am very proud of the excellent planning and execution throughout the company that drove our considerable success. Many of those efforts are playing into our outlook for 2023. Despite some headwinds, we expect more adjusted EBITDA growth and accelerated growth in 2024 later years. I'll be back to share more of that perspective after Quint reviews our financial results for 2022. Quint?

Speaker 3

Thanks, Rich, and welcome to everyone on the call this morning. The next slide in our deck summarizes the strong 2022 results that Rich highlighted. Our consolidated revenues for 2022 grew $311,000,000 to 2,000,000,000 Another all time high for revenues at ATSG. Our adjusted EPS increased by more than 40% to $2.28 compared with $1.61 in 2021. That was well above the $2 target we set a year ago.

Adjusted pre tax earnings increased 51% and adjusted EBITDA rose 18%. Earnings from our airline businesses along with the momentum of our leasing returns from CAM produced most of the EPS gain above our target. We are projecting lower EPS for 2023 as Rich will discuss in his remarks, mainly because of increased interest on our current fleet additions and inflation effects, particularly in our ACMI Services segment. On the next slide, you can see that versus the 12 months ended in December 2021, Our adjusted EBITDA grew a record $100,000,000 or 18% in 2022. That improvement includes a full year of cash flows from the 15 newly converted 767 freighters we deployed in 2021 and more than doubling our earnings from ACMI Services.

For adjusted EBITDA, we exclude among other items, The changes in values of our financial instruments and the benefits of federal pandemic relief assistance for our passenger operations under the payroll support programs for the 2021 periods. On the next slide, you'll see that our capital spending finished the year at just under $625,000,000 less than we projected last quarter. We separate what we call sustaining CapEx mainly for airframe and engine maintenance, technology and other equipment from the spending we allocate to fleet expansion. Sustaining CapEx was $187,000,000 for the year, up $4,000,000 Growth CapEx was 412,000,000 up $90,000,000 from the prior year, both to convert existing aircraft to freighters and to buy more feedstock passenger aircraft. In 2022, those purchases included 8 Boeing 767s and 6 Airbus A321s.

We deployed and leased 6 newly converted 767 freighters last year. Turnaround times at many passenger Freighter aircraft conversion houses remain well above pre pandemic levels despite their efforts to increase throughput. We expect those bottlenecks to lessen this year. The next slide updates our adjusted free cash flow as measured by our operating cash flow, net of our sustaining CapEx. Adjusted free cash flow of $285,000,000 last year It was down $115,000,000 from the year earlier period and down $88,000,000 for the 12 months ended last September.

Cash flows from federal grants in 2021 were $83,000,000 All of that cash was received in the first half. Our full year 2022 results reflect the impact of the temporary 4th quarter increase in working capital related to reimbursement of fuel costs from Omni's federal government customers. We project our growth capital investments to exceed adjusted free cash flows until 2025 when we expect that trend to reverse. Through 2024, we expect our debt leverage ratio to remain under 3 times and begin to decline in 2025. You may have already seen the 2023 guidance we provided in the earnings release we issued yesterday.

Rich will cover some of the factors that will affect our earnings and cash flow in his remarks. I wanted to provide some color around the significant increase in our CapEx budget of $850,000,000 this year and the strategic decisions and steps that prepared the way for our growth investments in 2023 2024. The bulk of our CapEx this year and in 2024 will continue to fund the expansion of our leased 767 fleet. The other major driver of our stepped up growth in spending over the next several years is our decision to begin offering our lease customers 2 other freighter types. The Airbus A321, a narrow body midsize freighter designed to replace retiring Boeing 757s and the A330, a wide bodied midsized freighter that will complement our still expanding fleet of 767s.

We started this freighter platform expansion from a strong financial position. Through 2022, our debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio, As calculated under our bank agreement, was below 2 times and well below our average over the last several years. We also acted in 2020 2021 to lock in favorable fixed rates by issuing 7 year unsecured notes At a 4.75 percent coupon rate and amended our senior credit facility to increase our borrowing capacity, free up some collateral and accommodate the resumption of our stock repurchase program. Available credit under our revolver was $365,000,000 at the end of 2020 With an option for additional capacity subject to bank approvals. To coincide with our increased business with airlines in Europe and Asia, We intend to establish a similar $100,000,000 credit facility in Ireland in the next few days.

When our fleet development program is at its peak in 2024 and lease revenues from Airbus fleet additions are just beginning, We project that our leverage ratio will still remain less than 3 times. After that, we expect to begin delevering in 2025. I also want to note that even with higher CapEx spending, we have the liquidity and cash flow visibility to continue to accommodate opportunistic share repurchases under the $150,000,000 facility the Board created last fall. As we noted in our release, we repurchased 2,000,000 shares or about 3% of those outstanding during the Q4 after pandemic grant restrictions on our repurchases expired. With that summary of our financial and operating results, I'll turn it back to Rich for some comments on our operations and outlook.

Rich?

Speaker 2

Thanks Quint. The earnings release we issued yesterday listed some key 2022 operating accomplishments that contributed to the financial results that Quint just reviewed. Let me highlight them and share some additional color to give you more insight about how well we performed last year. Overall, we added 13 767 freighters in 2022, 6 of which were CAM owned and leased to 3rd party customers. Kim also re leased 1 767-200 and extended leases on 4 other 200s.

2 of the 6 newly converted 767-three 100 freighters leased last year are also being operated by ATSG's airlines We also added 7 other 767-300s to our fleet under asset light CMI arrangements. Those were assigned to our airlines by customers who obtained them elsewhere, but chose our airlines, ABX Air and ATI to fly them. They joined 6 others who were already operating on the same basis. We expect our customers to assign us 3 more in 2023. These decisions by our customers attest to their confidence in the airline services that we provide.

Our original 2022 plan called for more freighter leases, but both vendor and regulatory issues prevented us from reaching our targets. Our principal 767 conversion vendor, IAI, continues to add conversion capacity, but throughput times remain well behind pandemic pre pandemic levels. Anticipating delays, We decided to book several conversion slots with Boeing in 2021 and added more in 2022. Boeing will convert 4 of the 767-300s we expect to deploy this year. We believe that a combination of additional slots and faster throughput will allow us to meet our 2023 fleet expansion goals.

Another challenge is gaining approvals from the regulatory agencies to put our converted A321-two hundred freighters into service. 3 of the 6 A321s that CAM intends to lease this year, including CAM's first two to ASL Aviation In Ireland, are ready to go with regulatory approval. We expect that to happen by mid year. To prepare for our step up in fleet investments starting this year, CAM was active in the feedstock market in 2022. Through purchases and other commitments, CAM now controls all of the passenger aircraft it requires for our anticipated 20 freighter leases in 2023 and nearly all of those that will lease in 2024.

Please go to the next slide. Quinn noted that the scale of our fleet investments will be much larger over the next few years and that we have the financial backing to complete them. To those who might be concerned about whether customers will be ready to make long term lease commitments for those aircraft as they complete conversion, It's important to understand that the surge in U. S. E commerce activity that preceded and soared during the pandemic It's only now beginning to surge in other parts of the world.

The e commerce portion of retail sales is still growing rapidly elsewhere, including Eastern Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America as air networks expand. Accordingly, more than 80% of CAM's leased freighter deployments Over the next several years, we'll be to airlines operating outside North America, and many of them will operate in networks established by DHL and other integrators who lease our freighters themselves, but where rules limit where they can operate directly. Turning to our airlines, some of the continuing growth in e commerce fulfillment in the U. S. Last year led to expansions of their fleets and more operating block hours.

ABX Air and ATI added 9767 freighters including 7 assigned to them. Block hours of flying for all three airlines increased 8% with a 9% increase in cargo operations and a 4% gain in passenger operations. Even with 1 fewer 767 in its fleet, Omni still completed a strong schedule of passenger airline missions for government customers. Also, The Department of Defense restored our full COVID schedule, including our longest route in the 4th quarter. We are also proud to note that a year ago DHL agreed once again to extend and expand the long standing commercial relationship we've enjoyed with them since the inception of ATSG as an independent public company in 2003.

The agreement extended our airline service in support of DHL's U. S. Express network for 6 years and included the lease of 3 more 767-three 100 freighters from CAM. Our deployment schedules include still more 767s plus some A330s for DHL's global network. Please go on to the next slide.

Those were a few of the operating and commercial successes that helped us generate record revenues, Adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS in 2022 and will contribute to our results for several years to come. In 2023, ATSG expects to generate between $650,000,000 $660,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA and between $1.85 $2 in adjusted earnings per share. Those targets reflect a record pace of 20 freighter lease deployments I mentioned a moment ago and which we announced to the market on February 6. 4 of the international companies we will lease freighters to in 2023 2024 are new customers, supporting Air Express Networks in other regions. Several years ago, we began to expand our sales and marketing outreach to customers where e commerce is just beginning to take hold and those efforts are paying off in record demand for our freighters today.

Later in the year, CAM will begin the passenger to freighter conversions of our first A330-three hundred for lease delivery in 2024. CAM expects to convert and lease 30 such aircraft by 2028, 2 thirds of which are already backed by customer commitments. CAM will also begin conversion of a projected 16 767-300 freighters it expects to lease in 2024, most of which have customers awaiting them. ATSG's 2023 outlook also includes the return of 8 of the 12 767-two 100 freighters that ATSG leased to Amazon in 2016. The remaining 8 will be re leased, sold or harvested with their engines added to the Power by Cycle pool for 767-200 leased customers.

ATSG also expects inflationary and schedule reduction impacts on our airlines in 2023, when we expect fewer hours of flying for ACMI and CMI customers. We remain positive on ATSG's long term growth opportunities with our major U. S. Air network customers and expect to add 3 customer provided aircraft this year. We expect that 2024 and 2025 will bring the resumption of strong earnings and cash flow growth from today's investments with year over year growth of about 10% in adjusted EBITDA and even stronger growth in our leasing segment.

Few companies have customers committed to long term agreements that will generate the kind of cash flow visibility that ATSG enjoys. We have a strong balance sheet, a leadership position in the midsized freighter leasing market and the strong backing of investors in our credit facility and debt securities, who regard the feedstock aircraft we are acquiring as prime assets. Our employees are also prepared to execute all of our 2023 plans with a goal to turn exciting opportunities into long term superior returns for shareholders. That concludes our prepared remarks. Clint and I, along with Mike Berger, our Chief Strategy Officer, are ready to answer questions.

May we have the first question, operator?

Speaker 0

Thank you. Our first question comes from Jack Atkins with Stephens. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hey, guys. This is Grant on for Jack. Thank you guys for taking my question. I just wanted to dig in a little bit on the 2023 guidance really on the ACMI side and kind of how you're expecting that to play out maybe first half versus second half. You mentioned in your fleet update that the first half would see a year over year decrease in block hours with your larger customers.

And today, you talked about a full year block hour Decrease year over year in cargo and passenger. Just maybe any color on how you're thinking about ACMI over the course of the full year would be great? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks for the question. In terms of ACMI, the block hour decrease that we talk about, Remember, we had the resumption for ATI of a combi route in the Q4 of 2021. So we'll have that for the full year in Q4 of 2022 and we'll have it for the full year of 2023. And we consider that as passenger.

But and of course, the other passenger hours being flown by Omni, primarily for its governmental and the DoD and governmental customers. We expect passenger and cargo hours to be down they'll be down less than 5%. We would anticipate year over year for the full year. And I think really in terms of differentiating, We do expect perhaps in the second half to see as we Typically do and you see a lot of the forecast, some recovery, particularly on the cargo side where hours may pick up Seasonally, but on the PAC side, it's more of we expect sort of a steady Environment, those are sometimes a little tougher to forecast. As you know, some of those hours you don't have as much notice on.

We've had Events happen in the world that can affect the demand, particularly for Omni on the military side. We do anticipate, I believe, in the based on what we've seen in the Q1, we may see some reduced hours in flying On the governmental side, if that helps any. But basically, that part, the PACS line, We're assuming pretty much steady state in the absence of having any specific information about the second half.

Speaker 4

Yes. Thank you for all that. If I could just follow-up one more thing. So you mentioned the strength internationally in e commerce and what you're hearing from your customers. Maybe if you could just talk a little bit on your U.

S. Customers and maybe is there any more negative commentary you've heard from them, any calls for concern as you Maybe think about trying to re lease those 767-200s as you mentioned. Thanks.

Speaker 5

Yes. No, thanks, Grant, for the call. It's Mike Berger. From a U. S.

Perspective, as Rich mentioned, just to go back to Rich's remarks, Our order book for the next couple of years, 2023 2024 has really been dominant over 80% Leased outside the U. S. From an international perspective. So our strategy to move forward further globally That we started several years ago now really is taking hold and will continue to. So we are while we We continue to look for opportunities within the U.

S. And we'll continue to support our customers' growth where needed. Our opportunities have really been greater outside the U. S. And we continue to push that way.

Speaker 4

Great. Thank you guys for the time.

Speaker 0

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Helen Becker with Cowen. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Thanks very much, operator. Hi, everybody, And thank you for the time. Let's see, I have two questions. The one question, Quint, can you when you talk about aircraft that you have placed or that are going to customers or where you have customers signed up. Can you talk about it in terms of Committed revenue over that timeframe, like can you say, we've already had committed revenue of X billions of dollars over the next X number of years.

Are you able to see that?

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean, it's Good question, Helane. We talk about the 20 aircraft, for example, that we're looking That we are targeting for deployment in 2023 on an annualized basis, You're talking about around $70,000,000 of revenue for those placements. And if you look at 2024, it's probably more like about $85,000,000 to $90,000,000 on an annualized on top of that. And we have, as Rich said, excellent visibility On those placements, we've got customer commitments, I think, for all but 2 or 3 of those.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's hugely helpful. And then my follow-up question is, I think I don't know if it was you or Rich who said in your prepared remarks that You have inflationary cost pressure in some of your ACMI businesses. Is that Reimbursable by your customers, those cost pressures?

Speaker 3

Well, certainly there is escalators that are built into our customer contracts. We've all seen inflation in recent years that has Outpaced, I think, what most folks would have in their contracts. But having said that, I mean, I think it's important to say that When you look at ACMI Services, I mean, it's made tremendous progress throughout the pandemic for ATSC's airlines. And what we have projected in 2023, for example, Their contribution in terms of adjusted EBITDA is about 12% higher than it was in 2021 in 2023. Now 2022 was an excellent year, right?

They had There were some opportunities for where customers needed charter flights and things that were higher margin Then we might see in 2023 due to the macroeconomic environment. And then of course in 2023 with Perhaps less commercial opportunities, you may see some of the airlines, who participate in the government fund, the craft program, They may fly their more of their entitlements. Some of those airlines may have been opting to fly commercial trips When the rates being offered for those types of trips were really high on the and now There may be less of those in a slower economy in 2023. So we anticipate that omni, while it's going to It's going to do well in 2023, but it may not have as many opportunities to fly and clean up some of the entitlement not flown by some of the other carriers.

Speaker 2

The Alain, the things that there are reimbursables in those ACMI agreements, things like permits, landing fees, Those types of things, fuel is a big reimbursement. But the things that have impacted us on an inflationary basis are things like travel cost Because we have to position pilots all over the world, maintenance costs for maintenance technicians or maintenance contractors, Those costs have been rising over the past few years and those are built into the rates. They do get escalated, as Quinn said, in the general Agreements year to year, but it's just a matter of whether that escalation keeps up with where the inflationary pressure may be in those different cost items.

Speaker 3

And on the military and the DoD type flying, those contracts are more akin to cost plus And so rates are adjusted. There's a look back though. There's usually a lag, right? In the year the inflation is occurring, You may not get the reimbursement, but when rates are reset in subsequent years, those adjustments are made. So that's a risk mitigator, but it creates a dislocation.

Speaker 6

Okay. Can I squeeze in one more question? I think, Rich, you said that you were going to use Boeing to do more conversions than IAI. Why are they going to be faster to do conversions or turnarounds given all the supply constraint issues they have?

Speaker 2

Yes. I didn't say that we're going to use more Boeing, but we do have 8 slots from Boeing and We're still using a lot of IAI. We have 5 lines operating there pretty much at all times. The difference between IAI And Boeing really is that Boeing has a full production line still going of factory freighters and factory tankers. And so I think they've got a sturdier supply chain, than some of the other Converters and some of the other lines of business.

Now we're into the A321, the A330. We've got multiple vendors on the A321 On the conversion side, and of course, we do our own. And then we've got the 2 on the 767. So we get a good View into what's going on in some of these supply chains, and I think we mentioned it in the prepared remarks that we saw some delays from IAI. And A lot of that was related to fabrication and parts vendors that they use in other countries.

And I think Boeing just has a more captive supply chain just because they've got I believe because they've got that large production line and that supports their conversion line

Speaker 5

as well. And Helane, it's Mike. They tend to be a little bit more, if I can put This way cookie cutter. So, the work scopes that go into the conversions upfront are well defined and they're just more cookie cutter approach. So the changes don't impact the actual delivery times.

Speaker 2

Another way to say that is they're less flexible.

Speaker 6

I got it. Okay. All right. Thanks, everybody. I appreciate your time.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Elaine.

Speaker 0

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Michael Ciarmoli with Trus. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning guys. Thanks for taking my question.

Speaker 2

Good morning.

Speaker 1

Just I guess, Rich or Quinn, just

Speaker 7

looking at the EBITDA guidance next year, the run rate, I mean, you have it's basically the second half 'twenty two EBITDA run rate basically puts you at the low end of that range. You're going to have more planes in service. Is all of this pressure just coming from ACMI or can you just Elaborate a little bit, I was always operating under the impression of playing out there is maybe $4,000,000 to $5,000,000 of EBITDA, but just Maybe can you provide some color as to the EBITDA, why the run rate just kind of holds from Q3, Q4 all the way through?

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean, Michael, it's Quinn. You're correct that the in terms of the I guess the more of the headwind in 2023 is ACMI Services. Even though as I mentioned, ACMI Services in 2023 Is projected to be up versus, for example, 2021 And certainly way up since the pre pandemic period. I mean, HPMI Services has been a great contributor.

But there is, as we've always said, a little bit more volatility. Our business model has a great deal of stability with the CAM piece. But there's always a little bit of volatility on the ACMI Services side. Now, we like that because it's an asset light business And generally, it's been a great contributor in terms of overall cash flow. And as I said, it has made progress Every year except comparing to 2022, when we look at 2023, it's going to be down, but still up versus prior periods.

So there's some volatility around the margins on ACMI Services. That has to do with What we said earlier about where the opportunities might lie for military flying and commercial flying. But on the CAM piece, we talked about in our pre release, there will be some aircraft coming back, we believe, That will create a pause, I guess, in terms of revenue stream on those 767-200s that we put the earlier release out on, TAM certainly in terms of their Earnings margins, they're impacted by the rise in interest costs, which is certainly a factor. And of course, inflation also can affect the investments, What it takes to put an aircraft on the ramp and lease it. The lease rate has held up nicely, But similar to a comment earlier, sometimes there's a little bit of a lag there when inflation moves really quickly because we have a lot of our growth Already programmed in, just like we talked about our pipeline in 2023 2024 with What, 40 some aircraft coming out and being leased, we have a lot of that pipeline locked 18, 24 months prior to when the asset comes out.

So sometimes that inflation can impact The end of service cost and that's something Cam has to deal with, but it's we're hitting our return margins there. The business is Looks to be positioned, as Rich said, to be the engine that will drive again in 2024 and 2025, We believe double digit EBITDA growth year over year, but in 2023, you have those Yes, some returns coming back and you have that higher interest cost, so there's a little bit of a headwind there. I don't know, Mike, if there's anything

Speaker 5

We view it as an investment year. And the line of sight, as Quinn mentioned, in terms of our order book in 2023 and 2024 and quite honestly into 2025 on the 767 side is fabulous. And as we look at the engine, the e commerce engine and what drives that, retail sales as a whole From now to 2026, are going to grow are scheduled to grow by $4,600,000,000,000 and $2,200,000,000 of that is going to be in e commerce. As Rich mentioned in his early remarks, we're still seeing very, very strong growth in the areas that around the world that we Are seeing success in Southeast Asia, Africa, the Middle East, for example, are areas that, we're seeing great success with new customers as As well as our existing customers in those areas. And as we progress in 2024 and 2025, we'll be right in the midst of our deliveries on the A330 and that

Speaker 1

investment for the A330 is taking

Speaker 5

place now. So, we're For the A330 is taking place now. So, we're really keen on what the future specifically lies in our EBITDA growth and getting back to that 10 plus percent as Quinn talks about in the upcoming years. The other piece that I'll just talk about just from the strength standpoint Retirement, during the pandemic, about 15 freighters were being retired a year. In a normal year, it's about 70.

What does that mean? That means that the demand for cargo freighters around the world is just going to continue to add strength. So we continue to be real positive. Okay.

Speaker 7

Just on the capital intensity of the business, I mean that sustaining CapEx guidance is going to be up 40 to $260,000,000 I mean, is there anything unique happening this year? I mean, Presumably maintenance, parts, overall kind of shop visits are getting more expensive, but how should we think about this sustaining CapEx Going forward.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks, Michael. It's Quint. We've kind of said because maintenance CapEx can move based on the timing of Scheduled maintenance from year to year, I think we've kind of said it's around a couple of $100,000,000 of our CapEx in any given year. But you're right, 23 is a little bit higher.

Now 22 was, I think, what we say 187. So you can see it came in a little lower. 23 is higher than that 200 sort of trend, long term trend lines, mainly because of the timing of some engine overhauls. We maintain a pool of engines for Some of the lessees, one of the engine types and it's just based upon their shop visit, their expected shop visit timing. We've got more of those this year.

I mean, you are correct, inflation, as we've said, I don't think any of us can probably think of any cost that It doesn't affect, but it has more to do with the timing of scheduled maintenance as to why we're looking at a higher number For maintenance CapEx, 2020.

Speaker 7

Okay. That makes sense. And then just the last one, if I may. Any update on your Kind of contracts with your pilots, just kind of watching the news here, seeing what's going on at FedEx, how are you kind of handicapping or thinking about that risk?

Speaker 2

Yes. So we've got pilot contracts open or amendable, I should say, with both ATI on the cargo side and on our passenger operator, Omni. And both those Contracts are have been in negotiation and the both sides are meeting Multiple times per month now and trading information and going forward. And so the things are progressing. Just based on where they are individually and they're both in different places, but we don't believe that we'll get to anything very quickly.

Speaker 1

Okay.

Speaker 2

We have always taken the position that we need a pilot contract that pays the pilots well enough that we Can retain and attract pilots, but also gives us the cost structure required that we compete for business. And we've always been able to make those 2 positions meet At some point, we'll continue to pursue the contract negotiations with that perspective.

Speaker 8

Okay, perfect. Thanks guys.

Speaker 0

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Frank Galante with Stifel. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Yes. Hi. Thank you for taking my questions. I want to follow-up on that last question on pilots. Can you sort of talk about availability of pilots?

Have you considering the kind of new EBITDA guidance And expectations for lower block hours, is that sort of alleviate some of the pressure from a Pilot perspective, and can you talk about how variable that cost is with block hours?

Speaker 2

So, a couple of things. One is that, we've been, able to attract pilots Without a problem, over the past year and any attrition that we've had, we've been able to Stay ahead of the curve in terms of getting the training done and getting them able to be able to fly and preserve all our schedules

Speaker 5

and etcetera, etcetera. So That's been a

Speaker 2

good thing. Our average hours are way over the minimum of the new pilots coming in. So we're in good shape as far as the pilot situation goes. But in terms of the variability of pilot costs as it relates to block hours, I mean the pilot cost is really it's under contract. So it's the pilots will go through the Increase their pay as they go through scales.

It doesn't really change that much on an average cost basis per block hour. And the contracts that we have, there are escalations that address cost on an annual basis.

Speaker 3

Okay. But Frank, as we look forward at the placements for aircraft, as Mike Most all these are going internationally. So we don't anticipate operating That was through the airlines. So I think what over 80% or something are international placements in 2023, 24. And so that will to your point, they won't drive a demand for additional pilots.

It's more about keeping pace with that attrition there, Rich.

Speaker 2

And if you look at I mean, just the next 2 years are going to be 40 airplanes we're putting out. And you look at the diversification We're getting away from some of our larger lessees. It's a great story, because we've got stability, we've got visibility to cash flows, We've got a differentiated business model going forward into different parts of the world.

Speaker 9

That's helpful. So I wanted to ask about the 767-200. You sort of talk about so in the press release, Yes, an expectation of at the end of 2023 being down 8 planes. Can you talk about the age and Efficiency interest in that platform. And then kind of second part of that, last year you took in How is the engine services for that plane?

You sort of talked about $40,000,000 to $45,000,000 of EBITDA Contribution from that, where does that sort of stack relative to what You expected in 2022 versus 2023 with sort of the changes in that platform?

Speaker 3

Yes. In terms of the last part of that question, and I don't know if Mike or Rich might jump in the first part on the 200s. But Your question about the InGen piece, yes, for 2022, it was right around the $40,000,000 that we talked about at beginning of the year when we gave guidance, in terms of that EBITDA contribution, remember there was kind of a step up there because we ended a long time PBC agreement with a provider and we went to the pooling structure that we have now Where we essentially, we overhaul, we maintain that pool of engines and make it available to lessees who operate the aircraft. So on a 2023 versus 2022, there won't be much of a change. In other words, it's not a big driver of incremental EBITDA.

That was sort of that changing that structure from 'twenty one to late 'twenty one to 'twenty two drove that $40,000,000 increase in 2022. So, pretty much Stable contribution in 2023 versus 2022 from the engine piece.

Speaker 5

In regards to the first part of your question about Demand for the 767-200, we've seen still very good demand for the airframe. And as Rich has mentioned in his opening remarks, we certainly will have some opportunities to sell some of those airframes as well as re lease them out to the marketplace. So as we view those opportunities and we'll kind of have our choice, if I can put it that way, to pick and choose what's best for us as we get those returns. Couple that with the engine program, the pool of engines that Quint mentioned That we still feel that the or still not only feel, but see strong request and strong demand for that airframe.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you very much.

Speaker 0

Our next question comes from Howard Rosenkranz with VA. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Hi, guys. Thank you for Thank you for taking the question. I guess I just want to understand the I mean, obviously, the market is having a different reaction to what you're saying in In terms of one of the prior speakers commented on great story. So I just to simplify in terms of the growth CapEx, You've got $600,000,000 in 2023 and it Sort of implies about $600,000,000 in $24,000,000 Is that sort of related to again, just to oversimplify without the breakdown Between BA and the Airbus equipment, extensively, we're talking about the $27,000,000 $30,000,000

Speaker 3

I'm sorry, Howard, You cut off there.

Speaker 8

Yes. No, no, I had completed the question. Is ostensibly are we talking about $27,000,000 to $30,000,000 Per aircraft, that's again, whether it flows in as working capital or flows in as but Basically, in terms of the CapEx, is that what we're effectively talking about? And then I want to ask you the follow on.

Speaker 3

Well, we talked about that range In terms of the 767-300s, to what investments look like, to put them on the ramp in leasable shape.

Speaker 8

Right. Okay. And it's pretty much the same ballpark for the Airbus, right? Is that fair to say?

Speaker 3

Yes. In terms it depends upon the Airbus type. And then Rich has said in the past, think of the narrow body 321 is about 2 thirds The size is about 2 thirds and then the 330 is about 20% larger than The 76300, so it's going to

Speaker 5

be a

Speaker 8

tough quarter. So at the end of the day, it all washes out to about the same thing. So that leads me to my real question here. So the market is suggesting or the investment community or however you want to look at it is suggesting That now the returns that you're going to generate are not going to be the returns that you have generated historically. And I guess Just to speculate, there's a lack of comfort with the customers visavis The customers like Amazon and DHL and FedEx and the ones that have been part of your fleet.

So how do you give us the comfort level that the customers that you have on the horizon where you're going to do these placements or going to have the same fortitude. Let's say for the sake of conversation, The e comm growth on an international basis is not as pronounced exactly that's It's going to impact that we assume more your ACMI, which is more the volatility side of the business. But as long as we get the CAM placements there and as long as they're taking them, then we get the return on the CAM side And let's face it, that's the lion's share of the cash flow. Since your debt is going up so much over the ensuing couple of years, To me, I just want to and I think for others, we just want to get a higher level of comfort that the varied Buyers that we're now going to be doing business with or are sharply accelerated will be able to comfortably Perform in line with the way your Goliath, let's say, domestic or global players have performed. Yes, Howard.

No, it's a

Speaker 2

good question. I'm glad you asked it because we've made this We've handled a similar question in the past about some of the smaller lessees that we have.

Speaker 3

And there's a couple

Speaker 2

of things. One is that Several of the lessees that are prominently positioned to take whether it's A321, 67s or A330s also fly for Express Companies or fly an Express network that multiple companies may participate in. For example, Cargojet, up in Canada. We've also got some large companies in this portfolio that will be taking Airplanes International, DHL, is in line for both 767s and A330s from now through 2026. You've got a company, ASL, that's based in Ireland, but has several AOCs all over Europe.

They're the largest TMI operator in Europe and they fly from multiple express companies and they have very strong agreements. And so and then you've got a company like Raya in Malaysia, which Going to be taking A321s and they're currently a 767 customer. They fly for DHL. So when you look at these lessees, They're diversifying us globally. And although they may not be your household name of DHL, UPS or FedEx, They fly for those people.

So the credits that they represent are very strong in relation Just the general airline that's out there. So we have a lot of confidence. We do a lot of vetting of airlines in terms of what they're going to do with what they're going to do with the airplane and so we have a general understanding. Another one I forgot to mention Maersk is taking we'll end up with 5 airplanes from us. They've already taken 3.

There's 2 more to be delivered And of course, Maersk is one of the largest, if not the largest ocean company in the world. And so those are the types of customer we've got. And so we're very confident in the cash flows that we'll be receiving from these customers.

Speaker 5

I just might just to bring a little bit more color Howard, one of our partners in Africa, Astrid with Astrid Airways, was just named Cargo Airline of the Year for that region. Rich mentioned Raya. They were named e Commerce Airline of the Year in Southeast Asia. And just a little bit further detail on Merstar, they've been the provider of UPS in the European network for literally for over 30 years. So The vetting goes the vetting is very diligent and understanding their business plans And how they're going to succeed is also very important.

But as Rich said as well, DHL specifically is in line to take several aircraft over the next few years on the 76 side as well as the 330.

Speaker 3

And so Howard, you mentioned how the market views it in contrast with what we're saying. And of course, we don't we're not 2nd guessing anybody or the market, but it is a little frustrating. I mean, like when we look at somebody looking just at a quarter, for example, And even this quarter, I think we had a tax item where we adjusted our state tax apportionment based on where the aircraft fly, Which states they fly over because they have different tax rates. So you run that. So we had something that was probably $0.03 to $0.05 In the Q4, well, that's kind of the difference between the consensus and our $0.53 We Hit our target that we set in February of last year for full year EBITDA.

And of course, we've talked at length about The visibility we have to sustainable structural growth in our leasing business, which is as you point out, The source of the majority of our cash flows and will be under long term agreements for many, many years. And so we feel very fortunate To have that in front of us, as I mentioned, there's a little volatility around the edges with our asset light ACMI flying, But even they have made tremendous progress since the pre pandemic period and even since 2021. CapEx wise, The leasing business requires CapEx. That comes with that territory we get. But with the placements of 20 aircraft this year and more than that in 24, in the first of the 330s, We essentially have locked in growth for 3 years forward because even if you pull back on investments after 2024, The placements you make in 2024 are going to drive substantial EBITDA growth in 2025.

And so, we feel very fortunate About that and we hope that investors focus on that long term and recognize that We've now demonstrated that our model performs well under different economic cycles, having gone through the pandemic, coming out of it And even the slower growth that we've guided to in 2023, contrast that with other transportation And you can see that there truly is a stable base here that we feel very fortunate To have as part of our business model.

Speaker 8

Well, thank you for No, no. Thank you. And I appreciate it. Thank you for all the incremental color. I think you need to dedicate more time to discussing the international customers in slides, etcetera, because clearly there has been a significant transition That was underappreciated by the investment community, number 1.

And number 2, clearly things have changed just in terms of the Boeing fleet, because 6 months ago, those were not your expectations that those were going to come off or that you were going to which was going to ostensibly lead to, As somebody else commented, a flat run rate of the base core EBITDA. So I think there's a greater understanding And I can assure you that the market commentary is not based on whether or not you made or missed the Q4 by a penny here or there. Thank you.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Howard. Thanks, Howard.

Speaker 0

I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Rich Corrado for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Kevin. We've long discussed the resiliency of our business model with freighter leasing as the foundation and value added services that make us unique and differentiated from any other competitor in the world. We have no peers in what we do. Many air transport services companies have struggled through the pandemic trying to get back to a 2019 baseline. Since 2019, ATSG has delivered 38% revenue growth and 42% growth in adjusted EBITDA.

And our guidance today continues on that growth trend, although slowed by the same economic headwinds impacting all companies. Still, the visibility we have to cash flows from our freighter investments with waiting customers over the next 3 years Gets us right back onto a 10% EBITDA growth trajectory in 2024 2025 just based on the leasing commitments alone. More fortunate market conditions could also lift our other services delivering even higher returns. Once again, ATSG's resiliency is demonstrated through the most challenging of times. As we drive our results for 2023 and beyond, we remain a great investment for stability, growth and high visibility of future returns.

Thank you all for your interest in ATSG, and please stay safe.

Speaker 0

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's presentation. You may now disconnect and have a