The AZEK Company - Q3 2021

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Speaker 0

Welcome to the ASEC's Company's Third Quarter twenty twenty one Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I'd now like to hand the conference over to Amanda Simaglia, Vice President, ESG. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. We issued our earnings press release this morning to the Investor Relations portion of our website at investors.azekco.com as well as via eight ks on the SEC's website. I'm joined today by Jesse Singh, our Chief Executive Officer Ralph Nicoletti, our Chief Financial Officer Pete Clifford, our incoming Chief Financial Officer John Skelly, our Senior Vice President of Customer Experience and Greg Jorgensen, our Chief Accounting Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that during this call, AZAC management may make certain statements that constitute forward looking statements within the meaning of Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

These include remarks about future expectations, anticipation, beliefs, estimates, forecasts, plans and prospects. Such statements are subject to a variety of risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated or implied by such statements. Such risks and other factors are set forth in the company's earnings release posted on the website and will be provided in our Form 10 Q for our third quarter of fiscal twenty twenty one as filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The company does not undertake any duty to update such forward looking statements. Additionally, during today's call, the company will discuss non GAAP measures, which we believe can be useful in evaluating our performance.

The presentation of this additional information should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP. Reconciliations of adjusted EBITDA to net income calculated under GAAP and adjusted gross profit to gross profit calculated under GAAP as well as reconciliations for other non GAAP measures discussed on this call can be found in our earnings release, which is posted on our website and will be included in our Form 10 Q for our third quarter of fiscal year twenty twenty one. I would like to now turn the call over to Jesse Singh.

Speaker 2

Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us today. Before we begin, I'd like to officially welcome Pete Clifford, our incoming CFO, to the call. Pete was most recently CFO and then President and COO of Cantel Medical. We're fortunate to have an overlap in both Pete and Ralph's time with the company, which is sure to facilitate a smooth transition. Pete, thank you for joining us, and I look forward to working with you for many years to come.

I'll start by recognizing the impressive efforts of our team, which delivered strong revenue and EBITDA growth in the fiscal third quarter. This builds upon the momentum of our business as seen over the last several years. Since completing our IPO just over a year ago, we believe we have demonstrated the flexibility of our differentiated business model, the agility of our team, and our commitment to investing for growth and delivering against our long term sales and margin expansion goals. We believe that the breadth of our portfolio and the strength of our market presence allows us to uniquely benefit from secular growth and material conversion opportunities. We are not only growing and expanding in decking, railing and accessories, but are seeing strong growth and market conversion in our exteriors portfolio.

This includes a broad mix of complementary products that are benefiting from wood conversion. More specifically to today's update, we continue to experience favorable end market demand in our residential segment, and we have started to see improving sales trends in the commercial segment. We continue to execute and invest against our strategic initiatives to deliver long term growth and margin expansion while managing through near term supply chain and inflationary pressures. We remain confident in our outlook for the remainder of the year and are once again raising our fiscal twenty twenty one guidance. We believe that we are well positioned to continue to grow in fiscal year twenty twenty two and are well positioned to achieve and exceed our long term growth and margin objectives.

During the quarter, we saw strong growth across the residential portfolio. As market demand remained strong, additional capacity came online and we modestly improved our inventory position at our dealer base. Our SG and A returned to more normalized levels and included additional public company costs and strategic investments. We made additional investments to ensure labor, transportation and raw material availability to meet strong customer demand and saw increasing raw material and inflationary pressures as we progress through the quarter. We have taken additional pricing and productivity actions that we expect to fully offset these headwinds in early twenty twenty two.

Given recent investments in capacity in our exteriors business, combined with strong sourcing and operational execution, we've been able to provide strong service levels and support to our customers in meeting increased demand. We also improved our service levels to our contractors and dealers for our decking products. However, our distribution channel continues to operate at below normal stocking levels. We continue to make progress on key initiatives that will drive long term value creation through growth and margin expansion. As a reminder, these initiatives include, first, drive above market growth and accelerate material conversion by investing innovation and expanding our downstream focused sales and marketing team.

Ongoing product innovation supports our core and adjacency market expansion. Our new landmark and reserve decking lines, wood replacement trim, panelized aluminum rail and canvas series tongue and groove products all performed well and position us for ongoing future growth and wood conversion. Second, expand our margins through the use of recycled materials in our manufacturing processes and through our continuous improvement programs. We continue to expand our recycling capacity and develop strategic partnerships with various OEMs. We are finding new sources of otherwise hard to recycle materials that we are uniquely positioned to recycle into our products.

We have recently expanded our use of a certain type of PVC product, which has historically been landfilled, providing us with lower cost sources of PVC and reducing environmental impacts. Third, positively impact the world through our commitment to ESG stewardship. In recognition of our ESG leadership within the Vinyl industry, we recently achieved Vantage Vinyl Certification by the Vinyl Sustainability Council. The Vantage Vinyl Certification underscores validates our strong efforts to be a leader in the recycle of PVC materials. Diversity, equity, and inclusion continues to remain a key focus of our full circle ESG strategy.

In June, we formalized and communicated our DE and I commitment statement, which serves as the foundation upon which we build out our DE and I framework. In short, we are committed to providing a diverse, equitable, and inclusive workplace where diversity of all kinds is sought out, valued, respected, and appreciated. We believe this fuels our innovation, drives operational excellence and is a source of our competitive differentiation. Fourth, invest in our core strengths, which include brand, material science, integrated manufacturing and customer connection. During the quarter, we successfully brought on Phase two of our $230,000,000 multiphase capacity expansion program, increasing our total decking capacity by 40% compared to the end of twenty nineteen.

Our previously announced upsized investments in capacity are on track to deliver an incremental 15% more decking capacity by the end of the calendar year. Our third phase, the opening of our new facility in Boise, is expected to be fully operational during fiscal twenty twenty two, adding approximately 30% more decking capacity for a total of an 85% increase in decking capacity versus a baseline of 2019. We are making these investments against the backdrop of expanding market opportunity. We recently conducted a proprietary consumer market research study, which showed that nearly half of consumers in the market for wood decking would consider our types of high performance, low maintenance materials. This leads to a nonwood market that we believe over time could reach a conversion level of nearly 50% of the total decking market versus today's approximately 22%.

We believe this favorable material conversion opportunity exists in all of the outdoor living markets in which we play, including our railing and exteriors markets. This research strengthens our confidence in the long term secular growth opportunities ahead, enabled by our leadership and innovation and investment in our key strategic initiatives. Turning to our third quarter results. We delivered strong sales and adjusted EBITDA growth. The growth environment remains robust, and we were able to incrementally ship more product as new capacity came online during the quarter.

We are also lapping an unusual q three in 2020, where we saw modest growth and lower spending constrained by the pandemic. The combination of spend normalization, additional investments, and public company costs combined with the previously discussed inflation versus price lag led to an EBITDA margin compression within the quarter. We are appropriately focused on meeting customer demand and improving service, and we prioritize manufacturing output and product delivery. We are operating in an unusual environment with material, labor and transportation, where incremental volume can lead to an increased rather than decreased costs and lower volume leverage. We view this margin compression as transitory and have taken pricing actions to offset these headwinds beginning in q four and continuing as we move through fiscal q one.

For our residential business, we exited the quarter with improved service, but had meaningfully lower levels of inventory in our distribution channel than historical norms. While overall web traffic has returned to typical seasonal patterns, we saw higher quality digital engagement activity on our website and an approximately 25% increase in leads. Contractor backlogs remain extended and above historic levels. Repair and remodel activity strengthened during the third quarter, and housing inventory remains near record lows. With elevated buyer demand, we expect a continued tailwind resulting from homeowners investing in and renovating their homes and outdoor spaces.

We also continue to see strong sentiment from dealers and contractors as people continue to invest in larger repair and remodel projects. As previously indicated, the strategic actions we took within our commercial segment coupled with an with an improvement in certain end market conditions started to show through in the quarter. Net sales in our commercial segment increased by approximately 17% year over year as we are starting to see some demand returning. We've also seen nice margin recovery in this business throughout the fiscal year driven by our team's focused execution on productivity and pricing action. As a reminder, this business tends to track more closely to GDP and the broader economy, which continues to improve.

Now turning to our outlook for the full year of fiscal twenty twenty one. We are raising our consolidated net sales outlook and increasing the midpoint of the range for our full year adjusted EBITDA guidance. This increased guidance underscores our conviction in the underlying demand we are seeing across outdoor living and exteriors markets. While we saw additional inflation during Q3, we also executed additional price and productivity actions to cover the increased costs. As we look at current inflation and supply chain dynamics, we expect pricing actions to offset inflation as we exit fiscal q one twenty twenty two.

We feel that we have and will continue to manage through this unique period by prioritizing customer service while maintaining our focus on delivering against our long term growth and margin expansion objectives. To sum up, demand in our markets remains strong with a long runway to capture the expected growth in our markets. We continue to invest in our core strengths of brand, manufacturing, R and D and customer connection, supported by the best team and underpinned by our commitment to ESG leadership. We have confidence in our differentiated business model, operational execution and strategic positioning in large and growing markets that we expect will allow us to deliver sustainable, above market growth and achieve our long term margin expansion goals. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Ralph, who will discuss our financial results and outlook in greater detail.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Jesse. As I discuss our results, all comparisons made will be on a year over year basis compared to the same period ending 06/30/2020. For the third quarter of twenty twenty one, we delivered net sales growth of 46% year over year to $327,500,000 with strong growth in both our residential and commercial segments. Gross profit for the third quarter of fiscal 'twenty one increased by 31,700,000 or approximately 42% to $106,900,000 The increase in gross profit was primarily driven by the strong sales results in the residential and commercial segments, pricing and manufacturing productivity, partially offset by higher raw material and manufacturing costs. Gross profit margin decreased to 32.6% for the three months ended June thirtieth of twenty twenty one compared to 33.6% for the three months ended June thirtieth of twenty twenty.

As expected, adjusted gross profit margin decreased two ninety basis points to 37.9% compared to 40.8% for the prior year period. As we have discussed on our last two earnings calls, we have been experiencing significant inflation as well as disruption in our supply chain, both driving up the cost to service these strong demand levels. During the third quarter, cost increases intensified and have reduced the progress we were expecting on incremental margins in our fourth quarter as we prioritize servicing customers. We implemented an additional price increase on August 1, which will take effect October 1. Cumulatively, our pricing actions this year represent a mid teens increase.

Selling, general and administrative expenses increased by $5,100,000 to $70,300,000 or 21.5% of net sales for the third quarter. Excluding the effect of lower stock based compensation expense, SG and A increased by approximately $18,000,000 The increase was primarily driven by higher personnel costs, public company costs, professional fees supporting strategic research and marketing expenses. As a reminder, last year in Q3, we significantly pulled back on marketing and travel with the onset of the COVID nineteen pandemic. Net income increased by $73,900,000 to $21,800,000 for the quarter compared to a net loss of $52,100,000 for the same period last year, primarily due to strong operating results and a decrease in interest expense resulting from the reduced principal amount outstanding under our term loan agreement and an absence of the $37,000,000 loss on debt extinguishment of our formerly outstanding senior notes. Adjusted net income was $40,500,000 or 26¢ a share for the third quarter compared to adjusted net income of $6,200,000 or $05 a share a year ago.

Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter increased by $14,900,000 approximately 26% to $72,700,000 The increase was mainly driven by higher sales growth in both our residential and commercial segments and higher gross profit. As expected, adjusted EBITDA margin declined three fifty basis points to 22.2% from 25.8% last year given the mismatch of pricing relative to cost increases and SG and A expenses. Now turning to our segment results. Residential segment net sales for the quarter increased by $98,600,000 or 51% to $291,200,000 The strong increase was primarily attributable to higher net sales in both our Deck, Rail and Accessories and Exteriors businesses, which grew at comparable levels. Our year over year sales growth benefited from strong underlying demand, a lapping of pandemic related headwinds experienced during the same quarter of last year and pricing as well as a modest increase in channel inventory at the dealer level.

Inventory at the distributor level remains significantly below historical levels. And given the demand pattern, it could be another quarter or more before inventory levels get healthier in the channel. Residential segment adjusted EBITDA for the quarter increased by $20,200,000 or approximately 32% to $82,500,000 The increase was primarily driven by higher sales and manufacturing productivity, partially offset by higher raw material and manufacturing costs and selling and general administrative expenses. Commercial segment net sales for the quarter increased by $5,100,000 or 16.5% to 36,200,000 The increase was primarily driven by higher net sales in our Vicon business, partially offset by decreased net sales in our Scranton Products business. We are seeing solid demand from outdoor living, marine and semiconductor end markets and also starting to see modest recovery with trade show customers.

Commercial segment adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was CAD 6,300,000.0. The $1,300,000 increase year over year was primarily driven by sales performance in the Vicon business and net manufacturing productivity. Looking at our balance sheet and cash flow, as of 06/30/2021, we had cash and cash equivalents of $220,500,000 and approximately a hundred and $45,600,000 available for future borrowings under our revolving credit facility. Total debt as of June thirtieth of twenty twenty one was $467,700,000, and we have not drawn on a revolving credit facility. Our net leverage ratio stood at one times at the end of fiscal q three.

Net cash provided by operating activities was a hundred and $18,700,000 for the nine months ended June of twenty one versus $11,300,000 for the nine months ended June thirtieth of twenty twenty. Turning to our outlook. For fiscal q four, we expect total company net sales growth to be in the range of 22% to 27% year over year, with the residential segment growing in the mid to high 20s range and the commercial segment growing in the low to mid single digit range, and we expect adjusted EBITDA growth in the 19% to 25% range. I would like to provide some additional color regarding margin progression as we exit fiscal twenty twenty one and into 2022. As I discussed earlier in my remarks, the combination of inflation and supply chain disruption has significantly increased our cost to service continuing strong demand.

In fact, we have seen over $10,000,000 of additional costs since our last earnings call, with a portion impacting Q4 incremental margins. Importantly, as we saw costs escalating, we took action and in August implemented another price increase effective in October in order to offset our higher costs and position us well for fiscal twenty twenty two. Given our pricing actions and productivity programs with the current raw material and supply conditions, we expect incremental EBITDA margins to improve from the low 20s percent range to in Q4 to about the mid to high 20s percent range as we exit Q1, excluding the anticipated start up costs we project primarily for the new factory in Boise. These costs are expected to be in the 3,000,000 to $4,000,000 range in the first quarter. Importantly, we believe that we have covered the dollar cost of this current high cost environment and are well positioned to expand margins during 2022.

Turning to the full year of fiscal twenty twenty one, we now expect total company net sales to increase 28% to 30% year over year and have raised our outlook on adjusted EBITDA growth guidance to be in the 27% to 29% range year over year. From a segment perspective, we expect full year residential segment net sales growth in the low to mid-30s percent range year over year. In the commercial segment, we are starting to see some economic stability in certain end markets with our projection of net sales declining at a low single digit rate year over year, an improvement compared to our previous outlook of a mid single digits decline. Through assisted modeling, we continue to expect approximately a hundred and 75 to a hundred and 80 5 million dollars in capital expenditures and 21 to $22,000,000 of interest expense for the full year of 2021. And our tax rate for 02/2021 is now estimated to be approximately 27% as a result of higher nondeductible compensation expenses.

And our full year weighted average diluted share count is unchanged at approximately 157,000,000 shares. I will now turn the call back to Jesse for some closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Ralph. And as you near your well deserved retirement, I want to personally thank you for your leadership, hard work, and dedication. You've been an instrumental part of the team, helping to ensure our organization is set up for success, especially now as a public company. You've been a terrific business partner, and I'm proud to have worked alongside you for these last several years. While we're going to miss you, we are excited to welcome Pete Clifford to the team and are looking forward to more formally introducing Pete to our shareholders in the weeks and months ahead.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Jesse. I am grateful to have worked alongside of you for several years and look forward to following the next phase of AZEK's growth under yours and Pete's leadership.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Ralph. I'd also like to take a moment to thank our entire AZEK team and our partners for their agility and unwavering dedication to our customers, especially during such a challenging and unprecedented time. As we recently celebrated the one year anniversary of our IPO, revolutionizing the industry to create a more sustainable future is only possible with their continued focus In closing, we are investing in the future, investing in our brand, in our capacity, in our recycling, and continuous improvement initiatives. When you combine this with the long term trends underpinning our end market growth, including material conversion opportunities, R and R trends and demographic shifts, our conviction to deliver on strong growth and margin improvement is high going into fiscal year twenty twenty two and beyond.

We continue to remain excited about the opportunity that's in front of us. With that, operator, please open the line for questions.

Speaker 0

Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. Again, that's star one to ask a question. We have our first question with Tim Wolves with Baird. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hey. Hey, guys. Thanks. Good morning, and nice job on the results. Ralph, best wishes.

And Pete, welcome.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks. Appreciate it.

Speaker 4

I guess maybe just first on the pricing side of things. Ralph, you talked about mid teens price increases from the actions that you've taken this year. I was just hoping if you could kind of break down what's actually being realized in sales in fiscal 'twenty one for pricing and how much of that flows through actually into 'twenty two at this point?

Speaker 3

Yes. So Tim, the mid teens pricing is what we have in place by the end of the year. And as we mentioned in the remarks, we added more incrementally that's going to take effect in Q1, and that positions us very well, you know, for '22. So '22 is gonna benefit from that. You know, we'll share more about, you know, '22 as as we guide '20 as as guide '22.

But, you know, this year, you know, with the with the pricing actions that we've taken cumulatively, we're exiting the year at mid teens level. And again, well positioned for 2022.

Speaker 4

Okay. Okay. That's good to hear. And then I guess just on a capture basis historically, know each cycle can be different, but could you just remind us about your ability to kind of hang on to pricing if you would kind of see a more deflationary environment on the raw materials side at some point?

Speaker 3

Yeah. You know, if if you just look back at our recent history, and, you know, we've we've been, taking pricing over the last several years. You know, those those prices, you know, hold hold in the market. You know, I I think, Obviously, we're not guiding to '22, but particularly on deck, rail, and accessories, but also to some degree on exteriors. We're pricing to value, and think importantly, and you heard this a little bit in our remarks, we're pretty analytical about this in terms of our approach.

We actually even invested in some pricing analytics work. So we're comfortable with the pricing we have in the market how we're positioned on value across our product lines.

Speaker 4

Okay. Okay. That's good. Well, luck on the next chapter, Ralph, and I'll hop back in queue. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 3

Yeah. Thanks, Tim.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Tim.

Speaker 0

And next question, we have Matthew Bouley with Barclays.

Speaker 5

Everyone, thank you for taking the questions. Again, echo, congratulations to Ralph and welcome Pete. The Jesse, you gave the stat around that market study you did that non wood materials can reach 50% of the market one day, if I heard you correctly. I'm just curious if there's any more detail or context you could give there. Maybe if there's any way to glean from that study how consumers perceptions have changed over time?

And even on the 50% that presumably just wants wood, could you tell kind of what's holding them back? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yeah. Thanks, Matt. And, so just to give

Speaker 5

a perspective, you know,

Speaker 2

we did a really in-depth study of, of the wood buyers, and we had done a study three years ago. So I think one thing- to consider is the number of folks that are generally buying wood has declined so I think when we did the study- a few years back what you saw was high teens people identifying themselves as composite buyers. That has progressed into the low twenties, which I think is reflection of what we're seeing born out in the market. As we look at you know, to call someone a wood buyer, I I think it's a bit of a misnomer. Right?

What it is is people in various points of how they consider, the attributes. As we look at, at that totality, in general, much of that, even above 50%, is still an opportunity. I think we're we're focusing is where we can see, the greatest opportunity. So that 50% is, is really made up of folks that are positively inclined. There's a portion of that, that are positively inclined, but there's some kind of a barrier.

Right? That barrier might be a perception of, you know, composites being plasticky. That might be related to a perception of, you know, where we are in the environmental journey. And so a portion of that are of the wood. What was great in the research is a portion of the wood buyers are positively inclined.

They just need to be educated. And I think that there's a another portion of that, of that 50% we're we're talking about that that kind of defaults to wood, but fit the right characteristics and and demographics of someone that should be buying composites. And once again, you know, I'll come back to it's an education process. What's interesting in the research is, we're not including the price buyers only in that 50%. And I think it's important when we look at wood conversion, we're really looking at it in its totality based on the combination of aesthetics, value, education.

And that's really where where we're defining that 50%. There's another portion of that not 50%, that's effectively a price buyer. And, you know, that's that's someone who just wants to, you know, to price right at the beginning. That's not included in that 50%. So so what's interesting for us is really the opportunity here with new product development and messaging to continue to educate and aggressively convert the market.

Speaker 5

Wonderful now that's a very very helpful color there thank you for that Jesse- second one to- zoom in a little on the margins- think you know you spoke to conviction to margin improvement in 2022, but it sounds like you mentioned some pressure from the start up costs early, in the early part of next year. Just given you did daylight, that sort of expectation for expansion on a full year basis, and correct me if I didn't hear that correctly, but, what's kind of the visibility to, I guess, the pace of incremental margins, as you go through on a quarterly basis next year.

Speaker 3

Yeah. Know, Matt, just to just think about you you think about the year and and first where we are in the cost environment. You know, we've seen a lot of inflation, you know, as we've talked about, and and and in fact, you know, seen a lot of inflation even since, you know, since the last earnings call, you know, which, you know, which we took action and and addressed on. But, you know, the you know, that leads, though, to the first couple quarters, you know, of fiscal twenty two has a lot of the peak of what we're seeing right now, you know, still flowing through it. Again, we've positioned ourselves well from a price standpoint to address to address that.

But you have in, you know, you have in the first, couple quarters of the year, you know, the the combination of, still elevated elevated costs. And then, you know, as as we talked about before, you know, we've we've worked through start up costs, you know, all during 2021. Know, we've added 40% capacity, and there were start up costs associated with that. But we've we've worked through that, with up with offsets. Know, Boise is a new facility, and, you know, we're starting it up in our first fiscal quarter.

And that's why we thought it was important, you know, to kinda highlight that a little bit more for you because that would be a you know, we're expecting it to be a more significant start up. Again, all contemplated on our outlooks and the discussions we've had, but, you know, the first half because, you know, Boise start up is gonna be really in the first, you know, first in you know, first half of fiscal twenty two. You know, the first the first half will be weighed a little bit more than the second half in terms of the margin progression.

Speaker 2

Yeah. It it it it Matt, if I could just add one additional comment on top of that. I I I think it's important as as we look out into '22, the dynamics we're dealing with now in the way in which we're offsetting it, we believe structurally puts us in a, a stronger position Against our long term margin goals and and and I think that's a really it you know as we look at things over. You know as we progress through '22. Moving forward.

The dynamics that we're seeing in the short term will lead to, you know, really long term favorability, we believe, structurally.

Speaker 5

Got it. Well, thank you for that, Jesse, and best of luck, Ralph.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Matt.

Speaker 0

Okay. Next question. We have Mike Dahl with RBC Capital Markets.

Speaker 6

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Just to see Ralph, just to pick up on the last point about margins, kind of thinking longer term but also specific to '22. Given the pricing that's put in place and some of the carryover benefits, understand that yeah, there's still some cost pressures impacting the first half of the year. But if I exclude start up costs, let's treat those differently.

You know, historically, you've done something that's more in the thirties on on incremental EBITDA margins and would have thought coming off the base that you're coming off of that was more impacted by a price cost lag that that would have been more of a reasonable, if not conservative benchmark for the incremental margin performance next year. It sounds like at least in the first half, might be talking to something that's a little bit lower than that. So I guess just a little more clarity on, you know, again, the start up costs, you know, why shouldn't incremental margins be even stronger going forward in in '22 based on the pricing actions you've taken?

Speaker 3

Yeah. Mike, you know, let me address it a couple you know, kind of your question a couple different ways. You know, first, you know, clearly see, you know, in, you know, Jesse's remarks kinda highlighted it, you know, you know, the line of sight to to our long term our long term margin goals. You know, we clearly clearly see that, you know, with the 500 basis points of EBITDA margin improvement. You know, we we always said quarter to quarter, there's gonna be some lumpiness, particularly when you're kind of working through start up and things like that.

So, you know, you're highlighting that. You know, not in a position to give, you know, '22, you know, '22 outlook just yet. But, you know, to your point, you know, we've been in the mid thirties on incremental margins, and and, you know, and we still have, you know, a we still have a lot of runway on productivity and, you know, principally in recycle, but other areas of productivity still way ahead of us. We still you know, we're well positioned, from a price cost standpoint entering '22, you know, which which, you know, we feel right now this cost environment is is pretty extraordinary and and transitory, frankly. And and so we think we're well positioned there.

And, you know, we'll invest behind the business selectively. You know, so over over an arc, you know, we'll get s g and a leverage over time as well. So that all leads us to, you know, we could get ourselves back, you know, into the mid thirties with a very clear path, know, with our outlook long term, you know, we see our our incremental margins going above above the mid thirties. Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 6

That that helps, and that

Speaker 3

that makes sense. It it sounds like it'll be a

Speaker 6

a good ramp. And then I I guess second question, and so this also ventures into the 'twenty two, around that. You know, I think there's Jesse, you made the comment that you're now expecting the 85% cumulative capacity increase in decking versus the baseline of 'nineteen. And I think in the press release there's a comment that refers to the expansion plan as $230,000,000 So, wanted to just clarify, is that the $230,000,000 does that represent the 85% capacity increase? And then when you think about the incremental since you've been in this multi phase approach in terms of what the number is in fiscal twenty two versus '21 since your since your second phase at least hasn't fully ramped in in '21.

Any way to think about how much will be incremental in '22 versus '21?