Brown & Brown - Earnings Call - Q1 2021
April 27, 2021
Transcript
Speaker 0
Good morning, and welcome to the Brown and Brown Inc. First Quarter Earnings Call. Today's call is being recorded. Please note that certain information discussed during this call, including information contained in the slide presentation posted in connection with this call and including answers given in response to your questions, may relate to future results and events or otherwise be forward looking in nature. Such statements reflect our current views with respect to future events, including those relating to the company's anticipated financial results for the first quarter and are intended to fall within the safe harbor provisions of the securities laws.
Actual results or events in the future are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties and may differ materially from those currently anticipated or desired or referenced in any forward looking statements made as a result of a number of factors. Such factors include the company's determination as it finalizes its financial results for the first quarter that its financial results differ from the current preliminary unaudited numbers set forth in the press release issued yesterday, other factors that the company may not have currently identified or quantified and those risks and uncertainties identified from time to time in the company's reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Additional discussion of these and other factors affecting the company's business and prospects as well as additional information regarding forward looking statements is contained in the slide presentation posted in connection with this call and in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We disclaim any intention or obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. In addition, there are certain non GAAP financial measures used in this conference call.
A reconciliation of any non GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP financial measure can be found in the company's earnings press release or in the investor presentation for this call on the company's website at www.bbinsurance.com by clicking on Investor Relations and then Calendar of Events. That said, I will now turn the call over to Powell Brown, President and Chief Executive Officer. You may begin.
Speaker 1
Thank you, Holly. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our first quarter twenty twenty one earnings call. We had an outstanding quarter, probably one of the best in Brown and Brown's eighty two year history. The results of the quarter are the outcome of the incredible efforts from our team, not only during the quarter, but over the last several years. Each of our segments had great performance, growing significantly on an organic basis and expanding margins due to more new business, good customer retention and increased premium rates across most lines of coverage.
These results demonstrate how we are focused on enhancing our capabilities, improving the experience for customers and delivering creative risk management solutions. From a customer segment standpoint, our large and middle market customers, which represent significant portion of our revenue recovered much quicker. However, smaller businesses are generally recovering at a slower pace. During the quarter, we released our first ESG report and are pleased to provide a view into our values as a company. We believe this report provides a comprehensive assessment of where we are in our evolution, but also lays out how we're thinking about the future.
Hopefully, our current and future teammates, customers, carrier partners and investors will find the report demonstrates our commitment to these important topics. Now let's transition to the results for the quarter. I'm on Slide three. As I mentioned, we had an excellent quarter and are very pleased with our results. We delivered $815,000,000 of revenue growing 16.7% in total and 9.8% organically.
This quarter represented one of the strongest quarters of organic growth since we began reporting this measure in the early 2000s. I'll get into more detail in a few minutes about the performance of our segments. Our EBITDAC margin was 35.8%, which is up 120 basis points from the 2020. Our net income per share for the first quarter was $0.70 increasing 29.6% on an as reported basis and 37.3% on an adjusted basis, which excludes the change in estimated acquisition earn out payables. During the quarter, we completed two acquisitions with annual revenue of approximately $33,000,000 We're excited that O'Leary Insurances, which was the largest independently owned retail broker serving the Irish marketplace has joined the Brown and Brown team.
We'd like to extend a warm welcome to all of our new teammates that joined during the quarter. In summary, we're very pleased with our strong performance as the team continues to fire on all cylinders and is focused on executing every day. Later in the presentation, Andy will discuss our financial results in more detail. I'm on slide number four. The economy continues to recover with the vaccine rollout and we're seeing improving business confidence.
However, not all geographies or industries grew at the same pace. Premium rate increases in Q1 were similar to the last few quarters with some growing faster while others grew slower. Admitted market rates continue to be up three percent to 7% across most lines. Commercial auto rates are the exception as they remain up 10% or more. We're still not seeing positive workers' compensation rates, but they're getting closer to flat.
Overall, the market is becoming more competitive in sections or areas and we're starting to see carriers willing to bind coverage at the expiring rate for new business, but that same carrier would like to get an increase if it was their renewal. From an E and S perspective, most rates are up 10% to 20%. Coastal property, wind and quake are up 15% to 25%. Professional liability is generally up 10% to 25% depending on the coverage in the industry. For these lines of coverage, there are definitely outliers.
One area where we continue to see the most challenge right now is the E and S personal lines in Florida, California and The Gulf States due to the continued reduction in carrier appetite caused by fire, weather events and the increases in litigated claims over the past few years. We believe the reduction in personal lines capacity in CAT areas will continue to decrease through at least 2021. The placement of coverage for many lines, certain industries or customers with losses continues to be challenging. We do not expect this trend to change for this year. We also believe that rate increases experienced in the first quarter will more than likely continue for most of 2021, but there may be some moderation in the second half of this year.
We closed two transactions during the quarter with annual revenue of approximately $33,000,000 As we've said in the past, our acquisition activity can vary by quarter as we're focused on ensuring a good cultural fit that makes sense financially. This disciplined approach has worked well for us over many years to deliver value from the companies that join the Brown and Brown team. I'm now on Slide five. Let's discuss the performance of our four segments. Retail delivered a record organic growth of 9.8% for the first quarter.
The performance was driven by growth from all lines of business through a combination of improving new business, good retention and continued rate increases. These results were only possible through the incredible efforts of our team to creatively engage with our customers, build our new business pipeline and our broad diversification across customer size, line of business and geography. We continue to be very pleased with how our team is prospecting new opportunities and leveraging our capabilities in both the traditional face to face model as well as virtually.
Speaker 2
National Programs segment grew 13% organically, delivering another outstanding quarter.
Speaker 1
Our growth was driven by strong performance from most programs due to new business as well as we realized continued rate increases for our wind and quake programs. Wholesale Brokerage segment delivered good organic growth of 6.8 for the quarter. Brokerage continues to grow faster as we realize improving new business and continue rate increases for most lines of coverage across property general liability and professional liability. However, we continue to experience headwinds in our binding authority and personal lines businesses. Overall, binding authority grew, but at a slower pace than we experienced in the past, primarily impacted by the pullback in cat capacity for property and the economic impact of COVID on small businesses.
The Services segment had a good quarter and delivered organic revenue growth of 5.7%, primarily driven by claims associated with recent weather winter weather events. Overall, it was a strong quarter and we'd like to thank all of our teammates who continue to deliver innovative solutions for our customers. Now let me turn it over to Andy to discuss our financial performance in more detail.
Speaker 3
Great.
Speaker 2
Thank you, Powell. Good morning, everybody. We're over on Slide six. Like previous quarters, we'll discuss our GAAP results and certain non GAAP financial highlights. For the first quarter, we delivered total revenue growth of $116,800,000 or 16.7% and organic revenue growth of 9.8% or $65,400,000 Our EBITDAX increased by 20.5%, growing faster than revenue as we were able to leverage our expense base and further manage our costs in response to COVID-nineteen.
Both of these factors were able to offset increased non cash stock based compensation and lower margins associated with certain acquisitions completed in the past few quarters. Quick comment regarding our employee compensation and benefits and other operating expenses as a percentage of revenue. The ratio of employee compensation and benefits to total revenue increased as compared to the prior year, driven by approximately $10,000,000 of higher non cash stock based compensation cost. As a reminder, in the 2016, we started issuing annual equity grants which have a five year vesting period. For the full year, we are expecting non cash stock based compensation expense to be similar to 2020.
In addition, with the continued market recovery during the 2021, there was an increase in the value of deferred compensation liabilities as compared to a decrease in the 2020. This represents a negative year over year impact to the compensation margin of nearly 200 basis points. The ratio of other operating expenses to total revenue decreased due to the continued management of our variable expenses in response to COVID along with the benefit from the aforementioned change in deferred compensation costs. Please remember the impact on the EBITDAC margin associated with deferred compensation costs is substantially zero. Our income before income taxes increased by 16.5% growing at a slightly slower pace than EBITDAC.
This was driven primarily by the $10,000,000 year over year increase in the change in estimated acquisition earn out payables. Our net income increased by $47,300,000 or 31% and our diluted net income per share increased by 29.6% to $0.70 Our effective tax rate for the first quarter was 16.5% compared to 25.8% in the 2020. The lower effective tax rate was driven by the benefit associated with the vesting of restricted stock awards. Please note the vesting of our stock awards will generally occur in the first quarter of each year. We continue to anticipate our full year effective tax rate for 2020 will be in the 23% to 24% range.
Our weighted average number of shares increased slightly compared to the prior year and our dividends per share increased to zero nine three dollars or 9.4% compared to the 2020. We're over on to Slide number seven. This slide presents our results after removing the change estimated acquisition earn out payables for both years. We believe this presentation provides a more meaningful year over year comparison. During the 2021, the change in estimated acquisition earn out payables was a credit of $900,000 as compared to a credit of $11,000,000 in the 2020.
Our net income on an adjusted basis increased by $54,700,000 or 37.9% and our adjusted diluted net income per share was $0.70 increasing 37.3%. Both measures grew faster than total revenue due to margin expansion and the lower effective tax rate for the quarter. Overall, it was a very strong quarter. Over to Slide eight. This slide presents the key components of our revenue performance.
For the quarter, our total commissions and fees increased by 16.9% and our contingent commissions and GSEs increased by 12.2%. Our organic revenue, which excludes the net impact of M and A activity and changes in foreign exchange rates, increased by 9.8% for the first quarter. Moving on to slide number nine. Our Retail segment delivered total revenue growth of 16.8% driven by acquisition activity over the past twelve months and organic revenue growth of 9.8%, which was driven by growth across all lines of business. Our EBITDAC margin for the quarter increased by 80 basis points and EBITDAC grew 19.5% due to the leveraging of higher organic revenue and managing our expenses in response to COVID.
The growth was partially offset by recent acquisitions that have margins lower than the average for the segment. Our income before income tax margin increased 10 basis points and grew slower than EBITDAC due primarily to the year over year change in estimated acquisition earn outs and increased amortization expense associated with recent acquisitions. Over to slide 10. Our National Programs segment increased total revenue by 20.6% and organic revenue by 13%. The increase in total revenue was driven by strong organic growth across many programs, acquisitions over the past twelve months and increased GSCs and contingent commissions.
EBITDAC increased by $12,700,000 or 30.8%, growing faster than total revenue due to leveraging our total revenue growth and lower variable costs in response to COVID-nineteen. Income before income taxes increased by 11,500,000 or 38.9% growing faster than EBITDAC due to slower growth in amortization and depreciation and lower intercompany interest expense. On slide 11, our Wholesale Brokerage segment delivered total revenue growth of 17% and organic revenue growth of 6.8%. Total revenue grew faster than organic revenue due to recent acquisitions with contingent commissions and GSCs down slightly year over year. EBITDAC grew by 20.6% with a margin increase of 80 basis points as compared to the prior year, driven by leveraging of organic growth and lower variable expenses in response to COVID.
This expansion was partially offset by the impact of lower contingents and GSCs. Our income before income taxes grew by 6.2%, which was slower than total revenue growth, primarily due to higher intercompany interest expense and the change in estimated acquisition earn out payables. Slide number 12. Our Services segment increased total revenue and organic revenue by 5.7%, primarily due to increased claims associated with recent winter weather events. For the quarter, EBITDAC grew by 21.4%, driven by the leveraging of revenue growth and managing our expense base in response to COVID-nineteen.
Income before income taxes decreased 7.9% due to a credit recorded for estimated acquisition earn out payables in the prior year. Few comments regarding liquidity and cash conversion. We experienced another strong quarter of cash flow generation as we delivered $125,000,000 of cash flow from operations as compared to $34,000,000 in the 2020. Our ratio of cash flow from operations as a percentage of total revenue increased to 15.3% this quarter, which is more in line with historic performance. Keep in mind that this ratio is generally the lowest in the first quarter due to the payment of year end bonuses and then is much higher in the other quarters.
With that, let me turn it back over to Powell for closing comments.
Speaker 1
Thanks, Andy, for a great report. From an economic standpoint, we believe the speed of vaccine rollouts, the overall vaccination rate, the pace of state reopenings and any additional stimulus will ultimately influence business confidence and drive economic expansion. We believe there should be further economic improvement through the remainder of 2021. As we talk with our carrier partners, we expect premium rates to increase at similar levels through most of 2021, but may moderate slightly in the second half of the year. Please remember, we're starting to see a gap between renewal increases and new business pricing.
While M and A in the first quarter was a bit slow for the overall industry, we believe the acquisition space will remain very active and competitive between long term strategics and temporary private equity sponsors. This will result in continued aggressive pricing for deals. However, we remain well positioned with our low leverage, the capital on our balance sheet and access to additional capital to fund our M and A activity. Our pipeline remains good and we're talking with lots of companies. We're very pleased with the progress of our technology and data initiatives.
Our investments in technology continue to focus on the following areas: optimizing and enhancing our utilization of data
Speaker 4
and
Speaker 1
analytics expanding our digital delivery capabilities around products and services and engaging in initiatives designed to drive greater efficiency and velocity through our underlying processes. The financial and operational performance for the first quarter was outstanding and it was driven through the efforts of our 11,000 plus teammates and their commitment to help our customers win. While there may be some volatility in growth in future quarters, we have good momentum across the business, a highly diversified company, a great team and we are well positioned for continued profitable growth. I would like to make one comment to the analysts during questions that we would encourage you to keep your questions to two questions, so we can allow everyone to cycle through. And if you have more than two, you can get back in the queue.
With that, let me turn it back over to Holly to start the Q and A session.
Speaker 0
Thank We'll now take our first question from Elyse Greenspan from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 5
Hi, thanks. Good morning. My first question is on organic revenue growth. Powell, you mentioned in your closing comments that the economic improvement should continue during the remainder of the year. You also alluded to still healthy price increases, maybe some level of moderation.
But if we combine that with a pretty impressive Q1 organic number, should we think about the back three quarters continuing to accelerate given that the comps, right, will get much easier given COVID compressed organic in the back three quarters of last year?
Speaker 1
Yes. Well, thanks for the question, Elyse. And we thought it was a really good quarter. So I would say a couple of things. Number one, why did we as we stated, why did we have such a good quarter?
Number one, we wrote a lot of new business. We did get rate on most of our book and our retention was good. That's the first thing. The second thing you need to understand in retail is and we've talked about this before, but there is a heavy weighting on employee benefits in Q1 of the year. So we don't give, as you know, organic growth guidance.
But based on what you have said, those are positive things against the comps in the next three quarters. But I don't want you to get ahead of yourself too.
Speaker 2
Lisa, couple of things Lisa, it's Andy. A couple of other things to keep in mind is and probably important, look at you need to look at the four segments independent and don't just kind of throw a blank over the entire company because the segments are going to perform differently in the back end of the year more than likely the remainder of the year. Specifically, if you look at national programs, we had an incredible year for our lender placed business in 2020. We are expecting growth in 2021, but not at the level that we saw last year. So that will dampen some of the growth in the back end of the year.
Again, still have growth probably just not the level that we experienced in national programs last year even in Q1. And services, we
Speaker 1
don't we had the winter storms. So if we have more storms then that could but those are the two that jump out.
Speaker 2
So that's why there's going be puts and takes in the different segments.
Speaker 5
Okay. That's helpful. But there is no other than the employee benefits, when we're thinking just about retail, we can think about the employee benefits concentration in the Q1? And then my comment of we can think about that segment benefiting from easier comps as we move through the year?
Speaker 2
Yes, probably easier comp in the second quarter. The question I guess that we're at least thinking about is as it relates to the third and fourth quarter, the benefit of rate increase year over year, we do think will probably moderate in the back end of the year.
Speaker 5
Okay. That's helpful. And then my second question is on margins. You guys had pointed to flat to modest improvement in your margins for the year. You came in better than that in the first quarter.
But you also to my earlier question, right, saw pretty impressive organic growth. So approaching almost double digit organic, thought maybe the could you pull out more margin improvement than we saw in the Q1 as we think about going through the rest of the year? Can you just update us on that full year margin view? Thank you.
Speaker 2
Andy? Yes. When we made our commentary at year end, we said that we anticipated full year 2021 to be flat to slightly positive. It was a great Q1 top and bottom line. We still think that we'll have some margin expansion in 2021.
We're not going to change any specific guidance for the full year. We got another three quarters to go, but we feel good about the business and where we're positioned.
Speaker 5
Okay. Thanks for the color and congrats on a strong quarter.
Speaker 2
Great. Thank you.
Speaker 0
We will now move to our next question from Greg Peters from Raymond James. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 4
Good morning. So looking into two questions. So I guess I'm going to follow-up on the organic questions that Elyse asked. If I go back to the first quarter of last year, you specifically called out an impact to revenue from ASC six zero six of about 10,500,000 And also you called out a benefit to guaranteed GSEs of almost $9,000,000 And I'm not hearing any similar commentary for this first quarter. So I was wondering if you could sort of update us on some of the moving parts that you commented on in the first quarter last year and how they performed in the first quarter this year?
Speaker 2
Perfect. Good morning, Greg. Let's
Speaker 6
see.
Speaker 2
On the first one regarding the adjustment that we took in Q1 of last year, again that adjustment was to reflect what we believe would be the impact to our revenues for the policies that were in effect last year. So as we make it around to Q1 of this year, we're now on a comparative basis with that adjustment. So you would not want to take that $10,000,000 and somehow put it into the equation for Q1 of this year that would not be an appropriate comparative. Okay? Then at least as to how we're thinking about the contingents in GSCs, We had a good Q1.
We did as we've talked about before, if there's normally going to be noise in any quarter, it will normally be the first quarter because that's when we generally receive a lot of our cash for what we accrued in the prior year. So you could either have ups or downs. We had a little bit of year over year benefit in Q1, not a tremendous amount. So still, at least on a full year basis, thinking somewhere flat to a little bit up. We still got three more quarters to go.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Okay. And then my second question will be on it's a two part, but they're so closely related, just one question on M and As. We're seeing in the press news of producers leaving different firms, moving to other firms. And then at the same time, we're watching the Willis and merger sort of evolve. And you recognized in your first quarter that the acquisition pipeline the acquisition numbers were a little bit light.
Can you talk about producer retention at Brown and Brown? And can you talk about how you're thinking about the M and A pipeline for the balance of the year?
Speaker 1
Okay. So producer retention at Brown and Brown is good. And we're very pleased with that, number one. Number two, as to your comment or statement around people leaving other firms or wherever they're leaving, we would remind you that we have non solicitation and non piracy agreements that we believe in, we abide by and we expect others to do that. So if someone were to join us from another firm, we want them to abide by that.
And if someone were to leave Brown and Brown, we would expect they would abide by that. That's the second thing. The merger that you talked about between those two large firms, it is number one, you didn't ask this, but is it going to happen? And the answer is absolutely, I think it's going to happen. But they may have to sell more revenue than they anticipated initially, one.
Two, anything that time is not their friend. They want to get it done as quickly as possible. And therefore, continues to be changes. And you may read about people that are leaving or considering leaving or whatever the case may be. As it relates to acquisitions, I would like to remind you that acquisitions don't occur on our timeline or on a quarterly basis, as you know, Greg.
They occur when the sellers want to or they come to the conclusion that they're ready to part with what is many times their largest single asset. So it's not just a financial decision, it's an emotional decision as well. So we think that there's going to be plenty of opportunities from an acquisition standpoint. We think that there continues to be lots of change in the market. And what we've tried to do, as you know, is continue to build capabilities at Brown and Brown to enable our producers to be successful, not only to retain their customers, but to write lots of new customers.
And so we are very pleased on where we are on part. Thank you.
Speaker 4
Thank you.
Speaker 0
We will now move to our next question from Michael Phillips from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 6
Thanks. Good morning. Actually a quick follow-up to my first question from the last question on the Ambulance Tower. And you mentioned brokers and people. And Pal, you mentioned it's going to
Speaker 7
go through, but they're going to have
Speaker 6
to sell some stuff maybe more than they think. How much interest do you think you have in anything that might have to be sold off?
Speaker 1
Well, we don't comment on transactions that haven't occurred or things that so what I would say is this, we are always interested in looking at good businesses that we believe could fit culturally and make sense financially. So that's not an exclusive statement around what you just asked, But we are interested in good businesses and that fit culturally and makes sense financially. So we don't like the term never or always as they're a little extreme.
Speaker 6
Okay. Thanks. Second question on just on overall competition. And Pal, you mentioned a couple of things here, the gap between renewal and new business, And then just overall competition in new business, think you mentioned in your opening commentary. I guess, can you elaborate more on where, I guess, you're seeing new business competition more intense than other areas in certain geographies or certain lines where you're seeing more competition there?
Speaker 1
Sure. So Michael, I'm going to make some fairly broad statements. But remember, this would be most applicable to middle and upper middle market accounts. So that's the first thing. So depending on where you are, there are certain areas in the country where we're starting to see it more often than not.
So let's say the Northeast or the Midwest are areas where we're seeing it more commonly than maybe Denver and the Mountain States. And so that's an example. And so I want to clarify exactly what I'm saying because for those of you that have followed Brown and Brown for more than five or six or seven years, you've heard this story before, which is the following. Basically, if you have an account and let's say that account is in the Northeast and it's a manufacturer or a beer distributor or whatever the case may be, and it has good loss experience and the incumbent company, whoever that is, wants a 6% or 7% rate increase overall on the account. That would not be it could be 3%, it could be 6%, 7%.
Let's just say it's 6% for sake of this discussion. If it was possible to take the exact account, something that looked exactly the same with the exact same loss experience and you submitted it to the market, it's a different name, it's a different account, but it looked exactly the same To the incumbent market that wanted the 6% rate increase on our customer, they would write that. We're starting to see them write that at the expiring rates. Okay? So why is that important?
I'm not saying that's happening universally across the board. I am not saying we're not saying it's happening in every geographic area. But what we're saying is we're starting to see it and it's not just in one area or one account. So it may be anecdotal, but it's more broadly spaced than one geographic region. We believe that that is the beginning of where you start to see some topping out in certain areas.
And you're starting to see that in some of the rate increases because you can't have, let's just use in Florida property, 20% on top of 20% on top of 20%, another 20%. I'm not saying it's not possible, but I'm saying the insured feels like they've been whipsawed. And so we start to have customers that as rates continue to go up, they start thinking about terms and conditions. Terms meaning do we change our deductible? Do we not buy that excess layer of something?
Do we put a bigger deductible on our site? Whatever it is, there's multiple ways to manage cost, but it's not just coverage, but it's such a huge issue on how to manage those cost increases. That also has a tendency to moderate the overall impact of the revenue increase on the account. It's important to note that.
Speaker 6
Very helpful. Thank you, Tal. Appreciate
Speaker 1
it. Thank you, Michael.
Speaker 0
We will then move to our next question from Mark Hughes from Truist. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 3
Yes. Thank you. Good morning. The organic growth in retail, you've talked around a lot of this, no doubt, but the how much is new business versus rate? And I'll throw in there how much of those perhaps related that the rate is driving policyholders to look for new partners and that has allowed you to drive new business activity?
Speaker 1
Let's Mark, remember, we don't talk about the specific impact of new business versus rate. But historically, I want you to know that we've always said we believe that two thirds to three quarters of the impact is exposure units, not rate. So that would be one third twenty five one quarter to one third is rate. Having said that, we have said that we wrote a lot of new business in Q1. So I do want to make sure you heard that.
We wrote a lot of new business in Q1, and we're happy about that. So having said that, you are tapping on something that is universally applicable across the entire platform in all of the divisions, but specifically retail, wholesale and programs, which is capacity, meaning new capacity. That could be new capacity in liability, new capacity in property, new capacity in professional liability. And so in the first quarter and just like in prior quarters, we do have some very good relationships with carrier partners that have enabled us to win with them to deliver winning solutions to our customers. And we're constantly and consistently looking for those new solutions.
So what worked last year may not work this year, as you know. So we are constantly searching the marketplace, not just domestically, but kind of worldwide for capacity to deliver either a product which could be in our retail space or on a basis of more proprietary product through our wholesale or program space. I hope that answered your question.
Speaker 3
Yes, it's definitely helpful. And then on the cat capacity for property, I think you're talking about binding authority. 2Q is a big quarter for Florida renewals. Limited cat capacity, is that going to impact you in 2Q?
Speaker 1
Yes. We've talked about how we see it for sure impacting us on our personal lines, but also on the smaller binding authority business. So we believe that carriers in that space continue to reevaluate how they're going to reposition, maybe is the right term, their books of business in places like Florida. That's probably a nice way of saying that there's probably some business that they don't want to be on and then there's probably some business that they will be on and open up some capacity hopefully for us as well. So we think that probably balances out.
But we don't I don't want to give you the impression that on the binding authority that it's like wide open right now because it is absolutely not wide open in cat prone areas. It's on a more limited basis and cat capacity is a little bit like gold as you know.
Speaker 3
Thank you.
Speaker 1
Thanks Mark.
Speaker 0
We will now move to our next question from Derek Hahn from KBW. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 8
Good morning. Can you hear me okay?
Speaker 2
Good morning.
Speaker 1
Yes, we can hear you, Derek. Go ahead.
Speaker 8
Thanks a lot for taking my questions. My first question is, you talked about how new business opportunities are driving organic growth for the quarter. Were there any unusual factors or maybe one time benefits that were impacting the organic growth as well as margins?
Speaker 2
Hey, good morning, Derek. Dan here. No, nothing material that we called out for the quarter.
Speaker 8
Okay. Thank you. And then my second question is, Andy, last quarter you talked about how some of the businesses were delaying investments. Have you seen that trend kind of subside in 1Q and then further into 2Q? Or is it really more of the same?
Speaker 2
Yes. That's really on the customer side of things. Think our comment was we had mentioned in our earlier discussion that at least business confidence is starting to improve, Derek. At least from what we're seeing today, we would not say that we're out of the woods and that business owners across the board, all industries, all geographies are feeling really bullish about their businesses. Some clearly are and they've had great twenty twenty years and probably have kicked off well to 2021.
But there's still a lot of companies that are figuring out how to really get restarted, how much to put back into their investments, when to put it back in. So still probably early days before we say it's wide open.
Speaker 8
Great. Thank you for all the answers.
Speaker 1
Thank We'll
Speaker 0
now move to our next question from Yaron Kinar from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 7
Thank you and good morning everybody. My first question was going back to your M and A commentary. So I just want to make sure I'm thinking about this correctly. So if there is a cultural fit and makes financial sense, you are open to opportunities even if they would be outside of the norm or of the core type of acquisitions that you've done in the past, namely if you see businesses that get dislodged in other regions of the world or in some verticals that you may not necessarily have the strengths in today, those would be open opportunities for you. Is that fair?
Speaker 1
Yaron, the answer
Speaker 2
is yes, as
Speaker 1
long as they're in the insurance space. I mean, I'm making the assumption. I don't like to assume anything, but they are insurance businesses of some sort. But yes, we would consider and we would evaluate them. And if in fact they were overseas, obviously you have to think about regulatory issues and all kinds of other things.
But yes, we would be open to consider that, yes.
Speaker 7
Okay. Thank you for the clarification. And then my second one is really quick. IT expenses, I think last year you talked about some uptick in IT expenses. Were they just flat year over year in the first quarter?
Or did you see any change year over year?
Speaker 2
Good morning, Aaron. Andy here. No, we didn't have any material year over year increases that we need to call out. One of the things that we have been talking about over the past year or two is where we are on our technology initiatives, the benefits that we're getting from some of those previous investments, those benefits allowing us to redeploy some of that capital into some of our newer initiatives around innovation and the experience for the customer. So we feel really good where we are right now on overall spend.
Speaker 7
Got it. Thanks so much and congrats on a great quarter.
Speaker 3
Thank Thanks, Aaron.
Speaker 0
We will now move to our next question from Phil Stefano from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 9
Thanks and good morning. Think one of the words that got the most headlines questions from the last earnings call was choppiness. And it feels like and I'm not looking for organic guidance in any way, but it feels like maybe some of the concerns around choppiness in organic growth this year may have abated. I was just hoping you can kind of give us an update and to think about the standard deviations in organic that we might see this year.
Speaker 1
Okay. So Phil, I think that choppiness now would be more specifically defined as in certain industries. So I'll give you an example. You start talking to people in the services industries like restaurants and theme parks and related things, we're seeing people having a hard time hiring people back. So that business may be choppy.
I'm not saying all of them are like this, but that might be one example on the extreme end. And then the other side, you might say, if you want to get a contractor, everywhere around the country seems to be not in major metropolitan areas, seems to be off the hook. So homebuilders and all kinds of stuff and the cost of wood and all that other stuff. So having said that, is that statement a correct statement? I believe that that statement is, at face value, probably fair.
What I would say is this. There is a difference between CEO or business owner confidence level and the way that you see people standing at the outside bar on your way home on a Friday night. Because the bar that I passed on the way home is packed and there's nobody with a mask, not a one, not in sight. And it's outside and everybody has allegedly and I say apparently there's no COVID at that bar. But what I'm trying to say is there's still a little gap there.
And until we start seeing business owners saying we're all in, in terms of reinvesting in their business, buying new equipment, doing things like that. We're still not totally there. But do we think it is less choppy? I think that that's fair. And I also think that it depends on the industry.
Certain industries are still just really bumpy. And then others are coming back with a vengeance.
Speaker 2
Yes. We got a lot of discussions post the fourth quarter. Candidly, feels like people have read way, way too much into the word choppiness, which was not one, not the intent. What we're trying to do is we're trying to just give everybody a feel that and we said this in previous quarters, we do not believe that this recovery is going to be linear in nature. We really don't.
By the way, it'd be great if it was, but we don't think that's reality. We just think that there's going to be unusual ups and downs, how people are thinking about buying insurance, how they're looking at their renewal dates, hiring people back. That's just going to cause things to be different during this recovery than in a normal market. That's all. And that just it's just going need a little bit of time to work itself out.
Again, we feel positive about the direction of where things are going. We're just trying to be real as that there's going to be some unusual ups and downs every now and then.
Speaker 9
Okay. And the follow-up to that is maybe looking a bit more internally. And I guess I was hoping you could give us an idea of how has the conversations that you have with the regional managers changed over the past several months? Does it feel like they have an all in mentality with investments in the way that they're thinking about their business? Or is there some hesitation internally in thinking about the investments that you're making?
Speaker 1
So Phil, thanks for the question. Number one, we don't have regional managers. We have regional leaders. It's just the nuance at Brown and Brown as you know. Number two, I want to yes, I think it's important we don't have employees, we have teammates.
And we don't have managers, we have leaders at Brown and Brown as clarification. Having said that, I want to assure you this, we've been all in the whole time. So there is no question about the way our team has navigated the last five quarters. I can tell you that. And here's the thing, I could not and it's not about me, but I could not be more pleased at how our senior leadership team has navigated what I would say is one of the most difficult, unusual environments that any of us has ever been in.
So having said that, this is different than the great recession in 02/2008, 02/1132. And what I mean by that is there's lots of things that people have had to deal with, different kinds of things as it relates to isolation, about mental wellness, I call it brain health, we call it brain health, and things like that. And so what I would tell you is our teammates are pumped, generally speaking, to come back in the office to see other teammates and allow them to have separation of home and work. And so that's a long winded answer, but we are very pleased how the senior leadership did. We are very pleased about the way they thought about investing and the way they thought about their businesses during this very difficult time.
And equally as important is we're excited about the opportunity for new people to join our team and be large contributors to the progress on our way to $4,000,000,000 and beyond.
Speaker 9
All right. Well, thank you. Congrats on the quarter and apologies for the poor terminology there, but I
Speaker 1
No, no, no, no. We're just clarifying. Thanks, Phil.
Speaker 2
Yes,
Speaker 1
yes. Yes, yes. Thanks.
Speaker 0
We'll now move to our next question from Greg Peters from Raymond James. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 4
Great. Thanks for allowing me to ask a follow-up. I wanted to go back to the comments and just help me understand what was going on. Were Paul and Andy, you talked about the moving pieces on employee compensation and benefits and noncash stock compensation. And then you also talked about the other operating expense.
And so you gave us sort of a benchmark that we should look for and I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I think you said we should look for employee compensation benefits as a percentage of revenue to be flat in 2021 versus 2020 and not look at the first quarter. Do you want to make a similar comment on or some type of comment regarding other operating expense?
Speaker 2
Maybe just a couple of points of clarification, Greg. I don't think we what we were trying to do in there was give guidance on the ratio of employee benefits as a percentage of revenue. And so what we are trying to be able to do was to just help everybody understand when they looked at the ratio or when all of you look at the ratio for the first quarter, it looks like it's actually up year over year. And we're just trying to give really kind of the two components inside of there of what stock comp did, the non cash stock comp, the impact for the first quarter and we gave guidance of what we thought that'd be for the full year. And then the impact of our deferred compensation cost, again that moves up and down, has no impact really on margins in the quarter, but it moves between salary and benefits as well as OpEx.
And we kind of gave that piece that's out there. So hopefully with that then it gives you an idea of what other operating did as well as salaries and related for the quarter.
Speaker 9
Okay. Well, I'll go back
Speaker 4
to the transcript. There's a lot of got to unpack a lot of information there, but thanks for the answer.
Speaker 2
No problem. And give a call afterwards if you want to chat some more about
Speaker 4
count on that.
Speaker 2
Okay. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 0
We will now move to our next question from Mark Hughes from Truist. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 3
Yes, thank you. Just on that point, I think you said the $10,000,000 increase was maybe 200 basis points in extra margin, that was the differential. But on a full year basis, you look for non cash stock comp to be steady. Is that to say the margin will be it will be a good guy in the subsequent quarters?
Speaker 2
Yes. So markets the stock comp is about a 100 basis point impact on margins in the quarter as a But bad on a full year basis, we're expecting stock comp to be relatively similar to 20. Barring our performance for the following three quarters, which may cause us to adjust that up or down.
Speaker 3
Yes. So as it stands today, it's probably a good guy, modest good guy depending on event. I don't know that you answered the or addressed the issue of T and E spending. I think you gave us some good thoughts on margin overall. But how about the potential ramp in T and E?
Speaker 1
Yes. So Mark, here's what we would say. Number one, as you know, in a decentralized sales and service organization, our leaders run their businesses like they're their own. And so they were very efficient to begin with, number one. Number two, we saw a pretty significant drop off in T and E, as you have said.
And in different businesses, in different parts of the country, we're already starting to travel and see people or they're allowing us to come out and see them. And we anticipate it would be just it would be speculative in terms of when we get back to whatever we get to. But what I would say is this, we want to see our customers and they want to see us. So there is a feeling of desire on both parts to see people. So we think that in some businesses, it will pick up more quickly than others.
Do we think it will be back to so called what it was before by the end of the year? I don't know about that. But I think that we're going to see absolutely a pickup. And if in fact the COVID vaccination rollouts and COVID in America continues to move in the right direction, meaning not spike or things like that, think that's going
Speaker 2
to add to it. And Mark, that one, just make sure everybody takes into consideration everything we've said. We made a mention of that during year end commentary that we do anticipate that it will grow during 2021 versus 2020. But when we gave our guidance on margin expansion for 2021. That included the fact that we knew that our variable costs are going to go up during 2021.
Okay?
Speaker 3
Very good. Thank you.
Speaker 2
Great. Thank you. Hey, Holly, we'll take one final question, okay, if there is one in the queue.
Speaker 0
There are currently no more telephone questions.
Speaker 1
Okay. Perfect. Well, thank you all very much for your time and questions, and we look forward to talking to you next quarter. Good day and good luck.
Speaker 0
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.