Commercial Metals Company - Earnings Call - Q2 2021

Transcript

Speaker 0

Hello, and welcome, everyone, to the second quarter fiscal twenty twenty January conference call for Commercial Metal Company. Today's call is being recorded. After the company's remarks, we will have a question and answer session, and we'll have a few instructions at that time. I would like to remind all participants that during the course of this conference call, the company will make statements that provide information other than historical information and will include expectations regarding economic conditions, effects of legislation, US steel import levels, US construction activity, demand for finished steel products, the company's future operations, the company's future results of operations, and capital spending. These and other similar statements are considered forward looking and may involve speculation and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from these expectations.

These statements reflect the company's beliefs based on current conditions but are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, including those that are described in the Risk Factors section of the company's latest annual report on Form 10 ks. Although these statements are based on management's current expectations and beliefs, CMC offers no assurance that these expectations or beliefs will prove to be to have been correct, and actual results may vary materially. All statements are made only as of this date. Except as required by law, CMC does not assume any obligation to update, amend, or clarify these statements in connection with future events, changes in assumptions, the occurrence of anticipated or unanticipated events, new information or circumstances, or otherwise. Some numbers presented will be non GAAP financial measures, and reconciliations for such numbers can be found in the company's earnings release or on the company's website.

Unless stated otherwise, all references made to year or quarter end are references to the company's fiscal year or fiscal quarter. And now for opening remarks and introductions, I will turn the call over to the Chairman of the Board, President and Chief Executive Officer of Commercial Metals Company, Ms. Barbara Smith.

Speaker 1

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining CMC's second quarter earnings conference call. As we reported in the press release issued this morning, it was another excellent quarter. And I'd like to thank CMC's nearly 12,000 employees for their continued hard work and focused efforts on behalf of our customers and our stakeholders. I will begin the call with brief remarks regarding our second quarter performance before offering some perspective on the current market environment. I will also provide an update on CMC's key strategic growth initiatives.

Paul Lawrence will then cover our financial results in more detail. And I will conclude the prepared remarks with a discussion of the third quarter fiscal twenty twenty one outlook, after which we will open the call to questions. Before covering my prepared remarks, I'd like to direct listeners to the supplemental slide deck of information that accompanies this call. The presentation can be found on CMC's Investor Relations website. CMC reported fiscal second quarter twenty twenty one earnings from continuing operations of $66,200,000 or $0.54 per diluted share on net sales of 1,500,000,000.0 Excluding the impact of certain charges, which Paul will cover in more detail, adjusted earnings from continuing operations were $79,800,000 or $0.66 per diluted share.

Core EBITDA of $171,100,000 was the highest ever for a second quarter, which has historically been our seasonally weakest quarter. This

Speaker 0

record underscores CMC's enhanced earnings capability following our multiyear strategic repositioning and the earnings stability provided by our integrated value chain. To put this in context, since the third

Speaker 1

historically quarter of fiscal twenty nineteen, CMC's average quarterly core EBITDA level has nearly doubled compared to the preceding eight years. Over that same period, quarterly EBITDA volatility in percentage terms has declined by 75%. We have now posted eight consecutive quarters of core EBITDA at or above $150,000,000 and seven straight quarters of annualized return on invested capital above 10%. These figures demonstrate the power of CMC's strategic repositioning over the past several years and provide a baseline for our strategic growth initiatives, three of which I will cover in a moment. Activity levels in CMC's core end markets remained strong during the second quarter.

In North America, demand for rebar was driven by continued state and local infrastructure spending in our major geographies as well as strong residential activity, which is a segment of the market where CMC has been growing its participation. Demand for merchant product benefited from the ongoing recovery of domestic industrial production and a lean service center supply chain. Demand for CMC's long products in Europe also remained strong during the second quarter. Construction activity is healthy, while manufacturing in our core Central European markets continues to expand. The industrial recovery is driving strong demand for merchant and wire products, which we were able to capitalize on during the second quarter.

The most recent PMI readings for both Poland and Germany are at their highest levels in roughly three years, indicating further expansion ahead. Now I'd like to spend a few moments discussing the current and near term market environment. During our previous calls in October and January, we noted heightened levels of near term uncertainty within our markets. Uncertainty about states' COVID related policies kept project owners on the sidelines, which resulted in delayed awarding of new work. The historic rise in scrap prices, which began in late twenty twenty, also clouded our near term view of the business.

Today, uncertainties are starting to clear. We've seen our backlog stabilize over the last quarter with the level of new awards increasing. This occurred even before several governors began taking meaningful steps to normalize state economies by eliminating or rolling back COVID related restrictions. These state level government actions as well as the positive impact of broader vaccine availability are giving developers and project owners added confidence to move forward with projects under consideration. The pipeline of potential work is robust as reflected in the volume of bids within our downstream operations.

Bid activity strengthened during the second quarter, growing on both a sequential and year over year basis. The key is turning bid activity into awarded contracts. As I previously indicated, this measure has improved recently as well. The rate of awards over the last several months has stabilized our construction backlog at a healthy level, which will support near term shipping volumes. Conditions within the public construction sector are also encouraging.

Key states have strong funding positions, and we expect to see good highway activity in calendar twenty twenty one. This should also be supported by the additional funds provided to state DOTs from the COVID relief bill passed in December. As we've shared in the past, the broadest and most historically accurate outlook for our construction markets comes from the Portland Cement Association. Their latest forecast provides two positive signals. First, growth expectations for 2021 were recently revised modestly upward to 1.2%.

Second, consumption in 2020 was stronger than previously estimating, meaning 2021 will be growing off a higher baseline. Now let me make some brief comments on the domestic scrap market. Conditions appear to have settled following a six month rally. From August to January, input costs increased rapidly month to month, clouding our view of near term profitability and creating uncertainty about the levels at which fair scrap and steel pricing would stabilize. As shared on our last earnings call, we expected margins on steel products would decline sequentially from the first quarter.

However, despite the scrap price volatility, CMC was able to achieve margin stability during the second quarter. Looking further ahead, we see several positive long term developments. The population migration into CMC's key geographies appears to have accelerated over the last year. Although new residential construction has been strong across The U. S, growth has been particularly significant in the Sunbelt.

New single family housing permits in CMC's core Southern and Western metro areas are up over 40% from the average level in 2017 compared to an increase of 18% in other metro areas. CMC is geographically well situated to benefit in both the immediate and long term. Of the five states identified by the truck rental company U Haul as having the highest net in migration of residents during 2020, CMC operates rebar mills in four of them. Based on past experience, residential construction leads local infrastructure and nonresidential investment by twelve to twenty four months. Additionally, although we do not have a view on ultimate timing and composition, the enactment of a long term federal infrastructure package appears likely.

Previous versions of potential legislation circulated in the Senate and House of Representatives last year would have added 1,000,000 to 1,400,000 tons of incremental annual rebar demand. Clearly, we see a number of favorable near term and longer term indicators for our business. However, the pandemic caused disturbances across the global economy, including a swift reduction in new U. S. Construction starts during 2020.

Though we have not seen this impact to date and do not see it in our current backlog, we continue to monitor economic indicators for signs of emerging air pockets and demand. I'd now like to provide an update on three key strategic initiatives I referenced earlier. We are nearing the completion of the third rolling line in Poland. Cod commissioning is scheduled to begin during the current quarter with commercial production to ramp up shortly thereafter. This project will come in meaningfully under budget and has hit all major timeline milestones, a testament to the strength of our Polish team.

Project is starting up within a strong market environment and will give our operations improved flexibility to serve its multiple end markets across several products. As we previously indicated, once fully commissioned, this investment is expected to generate incremental annual EBITDA of $20,000,000 and will utilize excess melt capacity to increase finished product output by roughly 200,000 tons. Moving to the second key initiative, we completed the closure of our Steel California operations in January and have fully transitioned our supply chain for the California market to lower cost material produced in our Central And East regions. This was a major commercial, logistical, and operational undertaking that our team executed flawlessly. We expect the meaningful financial impact of the rolling mill closure to accrue further benefits to our results beginning in the third quarter.

With this action complete, CMC is nearing the halfway mark of achieving the annual network optimization benefit of $50,000,000 that we shared during our Investor Day last August. Next, I'll comment on the third major strategic initiative. Site work at our Arizona II micro mill project is progressing well, and we remain on target for start up in early twenty twenty three. As a reminder, this will be our third micro mill and the first in the world capable of producing merchant bar product. Once fully operational, we expect this state of the art mill to contribute roughly $50,000,000 of annual EBITDA.

We look forward to giving future updates as activity progresses. During our conference call in January, I discussed efforts that CMC is undertaking to expand our sustainability disclosures and reporting. Those efforts have progressed swiftly, and we will share the results in our latest corporate sustainability report this summer. Finally, as stated in our press release, the Board of Directors declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.12 per share of CMC common stock for stockholders of record on 03/31/2021. The dividend will be paid on 04/14/2021.

This represents CMC's two hundred and twenty sixth consecutive quarterly dividend. And with that as an overview, I will now turn the discussion over to Paul Lawrence, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, to provide some more comments on the results for the quarter. Paul?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Barbara, and good morning to everyone on the call today. I am pleased to discuss with you our results for the second fiscal quarter of twenty twenty one, in which we reported earnings from continuing operations of 66,200,000.0 or $0.54 per diluted share compared to earnings from continuing operations of $63,600,000 or $0.53 per diluted share in the second quarter of fiscal twenty twenty. Results in the quarter include net after tax charges of $13,500,000 related to costs for debt extinguishment and decommissioning of CMC Steel California operations, which were partially offset by a gain on the sale of certain facilities. We expect both the debt extinguishment and closure of Steel California to provide meaningful cost and cash flow benefits going forward. Our January refinancing will reduce annual pretax debt service costs by roughly $8,500,000 while ceasing rolling activity at Steel California is estimated to provide a go forward annual EBITDA benefit of at least of approximately $10,000,000 in addition to the similar level of savings already realized as we ended melting operations at the facility last year.

Excluding the charges taken in the quarter, adjusted earnings from continuing operations were $79,800,000 or $0.66 per diluted share. Our core EBITDA from continuing operations was $171,100,000 for the second quarter of twenty twenty one, an increase of 18% from a year ago. Slide five of the supplemental earnings call package illustrates the stability of our core EBITDA per tonne of finished steel shipped over a period of time that included not only a global pandemic, but also a steep rise in fair scrap costs. CMC has managed core EBITDA per tonne of finished steel within a range of plus or minus 10% for eight consecutive quarters in nine of the last 10. Now I will review our results by segment for the second quarter of fiscal twenty twenty one.

The North America segment recorded adjusted EBITDA of 171,600,000 for the quarter compared to adjusted EBITDA of $152,800,000 in the same period last year. Largest drivers of the improvement were a meaningful reduction in controllable costs, the benefit of selling lower cost inventory into a rising price environment, and expanded margins on raw material sales. These factors more than offset the impact of lower margin over scrap on shipments of steel and downstream products. Selling prices for steel products from our mills increased by $70 per tonne on a year over year basis and were up $83 per tonne sequentially due to announced price increases adjustments taking effect during the second quarter. Margin over scrap increased $5 per tonne on a sequential quarter basis, increasing each month during the quarter.

The average selling price of downstream products declined by $5 per ton from our first quarter. However, I would like to note that over the last several months, we have translate into higher bidding and booking prices for our downstream operations. In a period of rise in scrap costs, we realized higher margins on sales of raw materials, which, as a result of the vertically integrated network of operations, helped provide the earnings stability to our consolidated results that I previously mentioned. Operational performance was a meaningful driver of improved results in North America. Compared to the second quarter of fiscal twenty twenty, controllable costs per tonne of finished steel shipped declined by 9%, with improvements throughout our vertical footprint.

The most significant benefit was lower mill conversion costs, which is our largest cost outside of scrap. We are benefiting from our efforts to optimize the mill network with additional cost reductions to come in future quarters. Mill costs in the second quarter also benefited from lower prices for consumables such as electrodes and alloys. Shipments of finished product in the second quarter increased 2% from the pre pandemic volume of a year ago, with growth in steel products partially offset by a decline in downstream products. Rebar volumes out of our mills have been supported by resilient construction activity.

CMC has grown its presence in residential construction, which added meaningfully to the year over year growth in rebar shipments. Volumes of merchant and other products also grew during the quarter. Downstream product shipments were impacted by lower backlog in certain geographies as well as the extreme weather experience within the Texas and Gulf regions during February. We estimate that the weather disruption accounted for roughly half of the 6% decline in downstream shipments compared to the second quarter of twenty twenty. Recent trend in North America margins, volume, and cost performance can be seen on slide six.

Our Europe segment recorded adjusted EBITDA of $16,100,000 for the 2021 compared to adjusted EBITDA of $13,500,000 in the prior year quarter. The improvement was driven largely by expanded margins over scrap and the benefit of selling lower cost inventory. Margins over scrap increased $6 per tonne on a year over year basis and were up $5 per tonne from the prior quarter. Import flows remain a negative factor, but have eased compared to levels experienced at times during the last two years. Average selling prices of $532 per tonne reached its highest mark since the second quarter of fiscal twenty nineteen.

Similar to North America, average pricing and margins improved sequentially each month throughout the quarter. Europe volumes decreased compared to the prior year, down 7% due primarily to the unusually strong level of rebar shipments achieved in the second quarter of twenty twenty. Volumes of merchant and other products increased on a year over year basis, driven by good demand for industrial customers in Central Europe as well as some opportunistic billet sales. The decline in rebar sales effects reflects a return to more seasonally normal levels compared to a year ago, as well as an intentional commercial decision to capitalize on the strength in industrial markets during the quarter. Turning to our balance sheet and liquidity.

As of 02/28/2021, cash and cash equivalents totaled $367,000,000 In addition, we had availability under our credit and accounts receivable programs of approximately $693,000,000 In January, we opportunistically refinanced the $350,000,000 of outstanding notes maturing in 2026 with an issuance of $300,000,000 of notes due in 02/1931. This action had the beneficial effect of delevering CMC's balance sheet by $50,000,000 lowering our weighted average coupon by 63 basis points, thereby reducing annual interest expense by approximately $8,500,000 and extending our weighted average maturity by slightly over one point five years. The new 2031 notes were sold to yield just 3.8%, a level that demonstrates the confidence that the fixed income market has in CMC's cash flows and creditworthiness. During the quarter, we generated $13,000,000 of cash from operating activities despite a $98,000,000 increase in working capital. Rise in working capital has been driven by the significant increase in both scrap input costs and average selling prices.

We would expect working capital balances to stabilize heading into the back half of fiscal twenty twenty one. Our leverage metrics remain attractive and have improved significantly over the last two fiscal years. As can be seen on Slide 10, our net debt to EBITDA ratio now sits at 1.2, while our net debt to capitalization is just 22%. Our robust balance sheet and overall financial strength provides us the flexibility to fund strategic projects, navigate the uncertainties of the current economic environment and pursue opportunistic M and A. CMC's effective tax rate for the quarter was 24, which was slightly below our full year effective rate forecast to be between 2526%.

Lastly, I would like to provide that our current outlook for capital expenditures in fiscal twenty twenty one is between $225,000,000 with roughly $85,000,000 earmarked for our new micro mill. For comparison purposes, we have previously stated that our typical capital spend is approximately $150,000,000 annually. This concludes my remarks. I'll now turn the call back to Barbara for the outlook.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Paul. We are entering the summer construction season in a strong position. Our construction backlog in North America remains healthy and should support near term volume levels, which we expect to be consistent with normal seasonal trends. Stable raw material costs should lead to flat or slightly increasing margins over scrap on steel products. We expect volumes in our Europe segment to remain strong underpinned by growing activity in both the construction and industrial sectors.

The Polish economy is recovering quickly from the global pandemic and as of January had the lowest unemployment rate in Europe. Industrial production in that month increased at a rate of 5.6% from a year ago compared to the EU average below 1%. Similar to CMC's North America segment, margins should also improve from the second quarter depending on the course of scrap costs. Once again, I'd like to thank all the CMC employees for delivering an outstanding quarter of performance. At this time, we will now open the call to questions.

Speaker 0

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch tone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then 2. We ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up.

If you have additional questions, you may reenter the question queue. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question today comes from Chris Terry with Deutsche Bank.

Speaker 3

Barbara and Paul, thanks for taking my questions. I just wondered, in terms of the backlog for fabrication, you mentioned it's strong. Are you able to quantify that maybe on a year on year basis or quarter on quarter basis just to get an idea of the trends? And then you mentioned on the mill margins that they're expected to be better heading into the Just wondered if you could talk about the fabrication margins as well.

Okay.

Speaker 1

I think I'll take the backlog question. Maybe I'll flip it to Paul to talk about the fab margins. Our backlog is really stable if you look at it on a year over year basis. We're also very encouraged by the level of projects that are out there. And now as I indicated in my remarks, coming to the market.

And so I would expect good support in terms of our backlog going forward.

Speaker 2

As far as the fab margins, we expect relative stability in the selling price on the fab side. And as scrap stabilizes, we also expect then that the margin of the fab business over scrap to be consistent and really follow the trends that occur in the scrap market.

Speaker 3

And just to follow-up, I just wanted to talk a little bit more about the end markets. Obviously, said there's a little bit more clarity on where we're at versus when you last reported. Can you just give a bit more detail on some of the regions, some of the stronger areas, some of the weaker areas of the market? Just trying to understand what specifically maybe CMC outperformance versus the market and just some of the some more detail across the picture? Thanks.

Speaker 1

Yeah. Thank you, Chris. You know, we we recognize it's it's been a little bit difficult to monitor things. I think, really, some areas that are that are stronger than probably a lot of people expected. The Internet economy is feeling so much activity in terms of warehouse and distribution.

That that was strong going in, and it's only strengthened throughout the the last year. Infrastructure has been steady and consistent. And while there are some states that that have different financial situations, I think the the infrastructure questions that were looming a year ago about loss of state revenues, I think all of those questions have cleared, and there's obviously been some government support to certain states that are maybe in a a worse condition than others. I I would remind the listeners that we've been on a multiyear strategy to increase our participate in participation on the on the merchant market, and, you know, that generally follows industrial activity. And there's clearly a recovery in the industrial sector that has been interesting for us in terms of our ability to sell into that market.

And I think residential is one that certainly I didn't I didn't expect as much strength in residential this past twelve months as what we're actually seeing. It's not surprising if you, you know, follow the the information around individuals making decisions to move away from the concentrated metropolitan areas. There has been a multiyear migration of population from certain areas of the country to certain other parts of the country, as I indicated in my remarks. There's been strong growth in states like Texas and Florida and Arizona. Those trends continue, and maybe one would say that they've accelerated.

So I think there's been probably a lot of focus on two indicators, ABI and construction starts. And, really, I don't think either one of those indicators, take into account what we're seeing on the residential side or the infrastructure side. And so I'll pause there. I think those are some of the main drivers, but we're quite encouraged by what we see.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Barbara. That's helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Chris.

Speaker 0

The next question comes from David Gaziano with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. I just have a couple of clarification questions. First of all, did you just and on the fab business, I misunderstood, I think. Did you say you expect overall fab margins to be flattish quarter over quarter in the this upcoming quarter?

Speaker 2

David, what we see is from a backlog perspective on the top line, we see stability in terms of the projects we will be shipping on over the coming quarters. And then really, margin will be determined based on your expectations around what happens to scrap costs.

Speaker 1

I Okay. Would And then further add to Paul's remarks that the balance of our backlog is shorter dated versus longer dated than maybe what we would have seen in historical periods. And generally, that shorter dated backlog, it turns faster, and there's there's less raw material exposure, which is a good a good trend for us.

Speaker 4

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. And then just switching gears a little bit. The the the the commentary about the positive impact from selling lower cost inventory in a rising sale price environment.

Can you can you just quantify, you know, how much of a positive impact that was this quarter and when do

Speaker 2

you expect that to reverse?

Speaker 1

Sure.

Speaker 2

If we look throughout the value chain of operations, our the number of days of metallic inventory that we have throughout the processes is more or less between a month and a month and a half of material. And so as we saw the scrap rise during the quarter, there was probably between $25 and $30 a tonne of benefit of selling the lower cost material that we saw during the quarter. I think as we look forward, as Barbara outlined in her comments, we exited with metal margins higher than the average for quarter. And therefore, we sort of see those two offsetting each other and that we'll have higher margins going forward, will offset the inventory gain from the lower cost so that there will not be much of a reversal going forward.

Speaker 4

Okay. That's helpful. And then just the last question. Can you just quantify what now that the sale of California is closed, and you may have mentioned it, but what do you expect for the quarterly cost improvement beginning in the third quarter a run rate, know, just on an ongoing basis?

Speaker 1

Yeah. I think what what we're what we're trying to indicate is the rolling mill closure should result in 10,000,000 of annualized savings going forward. We previously, of course, shuttered the melt shop, which

Speaker 5

had

Speaker 1

another roughly 10,000,000 in addition to all the other network optimization efforts. So we're about halfway to our goal of 50,000,000.

Speaker 4

Okay. Got it. Perfect. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Speaker 0

The next question is from Tina Tana with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Hey, Barbara and Paul. Hope you're doing well.

Speaker 1

Yeah. Thank you. How are you, Timna?

Speaker 6

Good. Thanks. Wanted to follow-up on the comment about demand implied from the potential infrastructure stimulus. And and I could have heard this wrong, but I heard one to 1,400,000 incremental demand. So I wanted to know if that were annual because I did some quick math on the size of the rebar market.

And if I look correctly at this, it's five to 8,000,000 tons domestic shipments, one to 2,000,000 tons of imports. So that would imply, no matter how you slice it, a pretty huge impact if it were indeed annual. So just wondering if you could provide a little bit more color on what that forecast entails and how you come up with it. Thanks.

Speaker 1

Yeah. Timna, I think it really depends on the nature of the ultimate final infrastructure bill and and, you know, how much of that is allocated towards concrete related activity versus I know there's some Internet, you know, access to rural areas. So we're monitoring it very carefully. But our best estimate, which was supported by industry analysis on the bills that have been circulating through the house and senate is is that estimate of one to 1,400,000 of additional incremental demand. And you and you're right.

It's impactful to the market. And as you know, if you've been covering this space for a while, it's it's not a faucet that's that's off,

Speaker 5

and then it's

Speaker 1

on fully on day one. These projects are at various stages of of engineering, and so the the volume will trickle into the market over time. Generally, there's a, you know, a twelve month lag before any additional infrastructure bill would would start translating into steel orders. But we also believe there's there's been engineering work, and and there are projects that have been on the the boards that maybe were put on hold during the pandemic for obvious reasons due to the the uncertainty of things. So, you know, your your estimate, our estimate, our plus or minus, we'll see in the end what it ultimately turns out to be.

But it's it's it could be very meaningful to to demand. And that's incremental absolute or or annual? Annual. Oh, wow.

Speaker 6

Okay. Helpful. Thank you. And just looking at other Biden administration initiatives, any intel on, you know, the upcoming review that's expected section two thirty two and on higher tax rates? You are a pretty full taxpayer.

So just wondering if you have any other insights onto those developments.

Speaker 1

Yes. I like your language. Full taxpayer. I would agree. And we very much very much appreciated the, you know, the tax rate that we've been enjoying, and that's allowed us to further invest in the business.

Look. I you know, I'm not sure we have any any better insights than you do, Timna. But on the tax, I think that, certainly corporate tax rates are are in the target and on the radar. And I think whatever happens, the timing, you know, we'll we'll deal with it at the time, and it's not going to be, you know, detrimental to our plans going forward. You know, as it relates to February, we are, you know, we are quite involved through the consortium of companies and through our trade trade organizations to present the evidence that, a, this industry is critical to the future of this country.

It does have a strong national security purpose, and it is also has a very strong purpose to having a strong, you know, economy, which economic security leads to national security. I think that we're encouraged by the administration's review and thoughtfulness that they're putting into this to not just reverse something that the prior administration put in place. I think there is clear recognition that there have been economic benefits. I think there's clear recognition that there's massive overcapacity globally. I think there's a growing understanding of the ESG gap between The US industry and the world.

We are the cleanest steelmakers in the world. We at CMC, as you know, have invested in clean steelmaking technology, have, you know, the lowest greenhouse gas impact of any steelmaker in the country due to the nature of our electric arc furnaces and our micro mill technology, low energy consumption, on and on. And and so I'm I'm quite encouraged that the conversation about the overcapacity and the the ESG impacts of China in particular that that that has a lot of this excess capacity and and very polluting capacity, but there are other countries. So our hope is that those conversations I think that the administration has demonstrated a willingness to engage with business on this topic and certainly will be very involved in having our voice be heard. And so I I think we'll see, hopefully, some changes to our existing trade regulations that can reinforce the positive benefits that were brought on by February.

But I I do think that that the signs are pretty encouraging that it's gonna remain in place for a while longer, and then, you know, other measures will be put in place to really put the pressure on the the world offenders.

Speaker 0

Okay. Thanks, Barbara.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Timna.

Speaker 0

Next question comes from Tristan Gresser with Exane BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Yes. Hi. Thanks for taking my question. First one, please, North America EBITDA performance in Q2. Can you please confirm what was the contribution of raw material external sales in the quarter and roughly versus on average versus prior quarters, please?

Speaker 2

You know, that's the the and good morning, Christian. That's the the benefit of the vertically integrated network of of operations that we we have. You're right. We did see elevated margins in that business. We don't quantify what those are.

But certainly, if you look at full value chain, the raw materials segment had or business had expanded margins, and that was one of the propelling reasons for the strong results for the quarter.

Speaker 5

All right. And second question, in Europe, I think you mentioned imports having eased and being a bit more supportive. How do you see the risk to your business knowing that safeguard measures will be removed this summer? I believe long imports in Europe have significantly declined over the past two years, notably with Turkey, Russia being blocked by quotas. So do you see a risk there, a scenario where come June imports surge back again?

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Yeah. Thank you, Tristan. I think similar to the conversation we just had with Timna around February, Europe fully recognizes the same phenomena that that we do, that there has been a buildup of excess capacity in certain countries, very inefficient capacity, capacities that is pollutes, that subsidize, that is is produced not not using a living wage. We very cleanly, and and Europe is as as you know, the green movement in Europe arguably is more advanced than than here in The United States. And so initially, when February was put in place, Europe followed with a similar structure and tariff structure.

They converted that tariff structure to a quota structure, and they've been making certain modifications to that quota structure to deal with surges of imports at the beginning of the quarter, which have a massive impact to the supply chain and a very disruptive impact. And so the, you know, the where they've landed with the with the current modifications has had a smoothing effect and has eliminated some of those disruptive periods where you get massive surges of of imported product into the EU. And then that has to work through the supply chain. Much like February, the existing quota that's in place is is due to expire. But suffice it to say that the industry and Eurofur, which is the trade organization for European countries, is very active in examining that and encouraging an extension of two to three years of the safeguard and and quota measures, again, to put pressure on, you know, the offenders in the world that have all this inefficient, subsidized, dirty, excess capacity.

So we're quite involved in following all of those developments, and, you know, hopefully, Europe will will conclude that these measures have been quite beneficial, and they will extend them.

Speaker 5

Alright. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Speaker 0

Next question comes from Phil Gibbs with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning.

Speaker 1

Good morning, Phil.

Speaker 7

Hey, Barbara. Just I have a question on on just general rebar use. I mean, a a lot of the the the road building programs have been strong and and growing for a number of years. Residential construction, to your point, is is solid.

Speaker 2

Is there is there kind

Speaker 7

of a rule or a general way to think about the break breakdown of of rebar demand between road building, residential, and and other? Oh, wow.

Speaker 1

I don't know that I have a great rule of thumb. We can probably follow-up with you, but I would say that, you know, in in general, infrastructure is pretty heavy on on or uses higher higher gauge bar, and and there is a heavy content. Residential are the lighter gauge rebar. The the the normally goes through through distribution, and there's been really a lack of supply there. So that's been quite beneficial to us.

It's also an area that the Gerdau mills participated in to a greater extent than than CMC. So that's been, you know, a nice synergy that that resulted from from the acquisition. I think industrial is a part of the market that's picking up. That the whole movement to readjust the supply chain and not have such a dependency on foreign sourcing of critical supplies. I'm sure you've read about the semiconductor semiconductor phenomena, but, you know, it extends earlier in the pandemic around all of the the, you know, pharmaceuticals and supplies needed for for health care.

So I think that industrial has is an area that has been a bright spot, and I think it will continue to be a bright spot. There are a number of fairly significant projects underway that haven't even broken ground that are going to create demand that maybe wasn't there historically at that same level. And the other area that is really strong right now and has been growing is what I'm calling Internet economy, the the Amazon phenomena, the distribution warehouse business. We were recently in Houston visiting our site, and there's a Amazon facility that they were describing to us, five floors, each floor 14 acres and concrete design. So you can imagine you've got those kinds of facilities popping up all over the country as we have all been isolated at home and and ordering everything that we need.

And And our outlook would suggest that that's going to continue for some time to come.

Speaker 7

Thanks, Barbara. And then just a clarification on the fab shipments. I think it was mentioned that the Vortex had an impact on fab shipments. I think you said about half the year on year decline was attributed to the delays there. I think seasonally, said the mill is picking up as we normally would expect into the construction season.

But are you seeing that should we expect that in fab as well? And then maybe on top of the seasonality, the catch up from the delayed shipments, What kind of sequential growth should we be looking for in the downstream piece? Thanks.

Speaker 1

Yes. Thanks. I'll start and then maybe Paul can give a more specific guidance for your modeling, Phil. But you know, we obviously were impacted in some of our operations as we were we operate in interruptible supply arrangements and had to shut our operations. But with the weather and the ice and all of that, the cold temperatures, that does not provide for construction activity to to even occur when you have those conditions.

So depending on whether it's Texas or The Gulf States, you you lost anywhere from five to nine days of of shipping due to that that terrible weather event. And as we like to say, it all gets shipped. The projects all get serviced, but there is a limitation on, you know, placing that steel. So it's not like you can accelerate it and and place double the amount in in a short time frame to make up for that. There'll be, you know, no doubt everybody will be working, you know, as many hours in the day to catch up on those projects, but it's not one for one.

What I can say is the shipping rate to date in March is is quite strong, and and that's a good indicator for the start of the busy season. And we would expect fab shipments to be consistent with what we're seeing in the mills in terms of and we expect a nice construction season.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Phil.

Speaker 0

The next question is a follow-up from Chris Carey with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Thanks. Thanks, Barbara and Paul. Yeah. Just just a little bit more detail on the on on the demand. You talked to you talked a lot about the Internet economy.

Just wondered if you could talk more specifically about commercial office, medical education, some of the other areas of non res construction. Thank you.

Speaker 1

You know, I think it's a little early to see any bright line trends. I can say that in my conversations with individuals that are in that office commercial office situation that you know, in a number of conversations that I've had, there is not a rush for companies to abandon their existing office space. There's still as the pandemic has gone on, a lot of companies have realized that there is there is difficulty in problem solving and collaboration in the virtual world. We've all done an amazing job to to get the work done in the virtual world, but we are we are also human beings that like interaction, and problem solving is best done in that way. So I think early on, there were proclamations that that companies were gonna just move to virtual forever.

I think as time has gone on and as we've learned and and seen the the pros and the cons that most companies are are expecting to get back to work, and maybe there's more flexibility in the work arrangement, but that it's not gonna be an abandonment. So I think you gotta watch the the trends that that I've talked about, the the population migration. Generally, the migration is also tied to company decisions around moving moving locations or or setting up new locations in certain geographies that that are business friendly. So probably the most distressed or will be the, you know, hotel. But, again, a lot of citizens are are staying domestic rather than traveling internationally because that's pretty prohibitive right now.

And so I would I would think that the the domestic occupancy and activity, especially as the vaccine rolls out here, you know, it could be a really great, great season in my view for for travel within The US and hotels, etcetera.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Barbara.

Speaker 0

Thank you, Chris. The next question is from Sean Wondrath with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hi. Good morning and a great quarter. So just looking at your your acquisition of the Gerdau assets, it's, you know, it's extremely opportunistic in retrospect. And and now you're, you know, generating high levels of free cash flow at the company, you know, with EBITDA sort of in the mid five, six hundred, somewhere in there. You're not gonna have as many sort of cash uses going forward based on kind of the CapEx levels you laid out.

So I guess my question is, what would be your plan for sort of capital allocation? Do you think it's more likely you'll build cash and continue to seek attractive organic or or m and a opportunities? Or, you know, do you think you're gonna potentially take debt levels down lower? Or how do you think about that, please?

Speaker 1

Yeah. I I think to start the debt levels, I think we're pretty comfortable with the debt levels where they are. And, you know, so I don't know that it makes a lot of sense to to look at that unless there's just, you know, some unforeseen macro event that causes a massive economic collapse or something, which, you know, we're not anticipating. But I so I think we've worked hard over the years to have a strong balance sheet, which gives us the maximum flexibility, and we will examine all avenues to return value to shareholders. We have a very attractive dividend.

It gets examined every quarter by our board. We have a, you know, a small position left on our our share repurchase program today. That doesn't seem like with where we're trading the best use of cash to return value to shareholders. So we continue to look at really good organic and inorganic growth opportunities. And, you know, I think there's certainly a number of exciting opportunities for us to consider going forward.

Speaker 8

Thank you. It's very helpful.

Speaker 1

Yeah, thank you, Sean.

Speaker 0

At this time, there appear to be no further questions. Ms. Smith, I'll now turn the call back over to you.

Speaker 1

Thank you, and thank you, everyone, for joining us on today's conference call. We look forward to speaking with many of you during our investor calls in the coming days and weeks. And hopefully, we look forward to seeing you in person sometime soon. Take care.

Speaker 0

This concludes today's Commercial Metals Company conference call. You may now disconnect your lines.