Commercial Metals Company - Earnings Call - Q3 2020

Transcript

Speaker 0

Hello, and welcome, everyone, to the Third Quarter Fiscal twenty twenty Earnings Call for Commercial Metals Company. Today's call is being recorded. After the company's remarks, we will have a question and answer session, which will have a few instructions at that time. I would like to remind all participants that during the course of this conference call, the company will make statements that provide information other than historical information and will include expectations regarding the economic conditions, the impact of COVID nineteen, effects of legislation, US steel import levels, US construction activity, demand for finished steel products, the company's future operations, the company's future results of operations and capital spending. These and other similar statements are considered forward looking statements and may involve forecasts and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from the expectations.

These actual results these statements reflect the company's beliefs based on current conditions, but are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, including those that are described in the risk factors and forward looking statements disclaimer sections of the company's latest annual report on Form 10 ks and subsequent quarterly reports from Form 10 Q. Although these statements are based on management's current expectations and beliefs, CMC offers no assurance that these expectations or beliefs will prove to be correct, and actual results may vary materially. All statements are made only as of this date. Expect expect as required by law. CMC does not assume any obligation to update, amend, or clarify these statements in connection with future events, changes in assumptions, the occurrence of anticipated or unanticipated events, new information or circumstances, or otherwise.

Some numbers presented are non GAAP financial measures and reconciliations for such numbers can be found in the company's earnings release or on the company's website. Unless otherwise unless stated otherwise, all references made to year or quarter end are references to the company's fiscal year or fiscal quarter. And now for opening remarks and introductions, I will turn the call over to Chairman of the Board, President and Chief Executive Officer of Commercial Metals Companies, Ms. Barbara Smith.

Speaker 1

Good morning, and welcome to our third quarter earnings conference call. I'd like to begin with a sincere thank you to our 11,500 CMC employees around the world. The COVID-nineteen crisis forced each of them to make significant adjustments and sacrifices in nearly every aspect of their lives. In the face of these challenges, they proved they are adaptable, creative, and collaborative while showing their commitment to their communities and each other through countless acts of kindness. The last several months clearly demonstrate the power of CMC's people and our culture.

They are the backbone of CMC, and I'm enormously proud of how they perform during this personally and professionally difficult time. Turning to our third quarter results, I will now review highlights from the quarter, including a discussion of the impact of COVID-nineteen, as well as our response to the crisis, and also provide a brief update on current business activity levels. Paul Lawrence will then cover the quarterly financial information in more detail, and I will conclude our prepared remarks with a discussion of our outlook for the fourth quarter of fiscal twenty twenty, after which we will open the call to questions. As announced in our earnings release this morning, we reported fiscal third quarter twenty twenty earnings from continuing operations of $64,200,000 or $0.53 per diluted share on net sales of $1,300,000,000 Excluding the impact of certain charges, which Paul will cover in more detail, our adjusted earnings from continuing operations were $70,400,000 or $0.59 per diluted share. Both our GAAP and adjusted earnings from continuing operations increased sequentially from the second quarter.

CMC's entire third quarter was impacted by the COVID-nineteen pandemic. From the onset of the crisis, each of The US jurisdictions where we operate, CMC was recognized as an essential business, reflecting our company's role in supplying the necessary materials and services for the construction of much of our nation's most vital infrastructure. Just a few examples of these critical projects include an expansion of the MedStar Georgetown Surgical Hospital in Washington, D. C, a new Emory Winship Cancer Treatment Center in Atlanta, the DC Clean Water Project, and the refurbishment of the New York LaGuardia Airport. The regulatory designation in Poland is different, but the practical outcome was identical, and construction activity continued largely unabated.

While the essential business designation allowed CNC to avoid any mandatory curtailments, we took actions to ensure our people remained safe and all our plants remained open, serving customers. PNC acted early to institute practices that limited the spread of the virus at our facilities, including social distancing, enhanced sanitation, visitor restrictions, and remote work arrangements. We formed a task force to respond to a constantly evolving set of circumstances in a timely and open manner. This group worked tirelessly to coordinate efforts and share best practices across our organization. I'm very proud to report that not only did CMC avoid any infection related disruptions, we also avoided any loss of productivity, which is highlighted by our third quarter cost performance.

This achievement can be attributed to our operating teams who, given any set of challenges, always find a way to improve efficiency. The COVID nineteen pandemic created economic stress and uncertainties unique in our lifetimes. In such an environment, we concentrated our efforts on the elements of our business we can directly control, in particular, customer service, cost, and cash management. On the customer front, we enhanced our collaboration even further to accommodate changing needs in an environment where forward visibility was diminished. Fluid situations in their own businesses led customers to quickly adjust product needs, quantities, turnaround times, and even delivery procedures.

Our ability to rapidly adapt was recognized with increased market share in both The US and Poland. Difficulties presented by the pandemic gave CNC an opportunity to further prove our value to customers, and our commercial operations and logistics teams seized upon it. The next lever, cost management, yielded equally impressive results. As noted in our press release, the Americas Mills achieved its best conversion cost levels since our November 2018 acquisition. This accomplishment was aided by our ongoing optimization efforts that included the earlier decision to curtail California melting operations and supply billet from more efficient plants.

Cost reduction also benefited from the operating flexibility gained through the 2018 acquisition. In fact, in an environment of general economic malaise, we continue to improve. As an example, one of our mills set a new quarterly production record, while in May, two others posted their best monthly conversion costs under CMC ownership. Not to be outdone, our Polish team demonstrated their ability to lower cost and improve efficiencies. Conversion costs per ton declined both on a sequential and year over year basis despite modest reductions in shipping volumes.

Additionally, in our Fabrication segment, reduced its controllable cost per ton to the lowest level in two years, as we continue to optimize our network of fabrication facilities, allowing us to rationalize the location in California. Turning to cash management, you can clearly see the results on our balance sheet. We nearly doubled our cash balance during the quarter, increasing it by $230,000,000 and ending the quarter with $462,000,000 of cash on hand. We tightly controlled working capital striking the right balance between keeping material in stock to provide a high level of customer service and mitigating the amount of cash tied up in inventory. We reduced inventory by approximately 10% from the second quarter.

Much of this reduction was driven by our efforts to optimize our network and eliminate redundant stock. We also closely monitored accounts receivable and were proactive in collection efforts. We do not incur any significant deterioration in our aging. In total, CMC was able to harvest 156 157,000,000 of cash from working capital during the quarter and generate cash from operations of $278,000,000 As a result, our strong balance sheet and leverage profile improved further. Our net debt to trailing twelve month adjusted EBITDA stands at 1.2 times versus 1.6 times at the end of the second quarter, and our net debt to capitalization improved from 32% to 24%.

CMC's performance within a turbulent economic environment demonstrates both the strength of our vertically integrated business model as well as the attractiveness of construction end markets. Looking first at our vertical structure, a robust backlog of prefunded fabrication projects supported volumes at our domestic mills during the quarter. Additionally, our downstream presence provided our mills with forward visibility, which allowed us to optimize production during the quarter and manage conversion costs and logistics costs. The stabilizing nature of fabrication was evident in third quarter. While many businesses across The U.

S. Industrial landscape experienced margin compression, our fabrication business achieved significant expansion as spreads between fixed selling prices and lower spot input costs widened. This more than offset market challenges faced in our upstream recycling business. More broadly, the third quarter showed that construction end markets don't behave like other steel consuming sectors. They're not driven by near term discretionary spending and don't quickly shut down.

Projects already underway are prefunded and will generally become income generating properties upon completion. This means that work continues even as other sectors slow. We also experienced the same pattern during the last recession. The combination of our vertical structure securing mill volumes, the impact of expanding margins on fixed price work, and the resilience in construction activity led to an extraordinary outcome when viewed within the broader global economic context. CMC's finished project product volumes, which excludes recycling, declined only modestly year over year.

Our gross margin as a percent of net sales actually increased from a year ago, while core EBITDA and EBITDA margin also increased. As a reminder, our Polish operations also benefited from an identical vertical structure, which helped to stabilize performance during the quarter in an equally challenged European market. Let me now make a few comments regarding current activity levels. Our domestic mills remain busy and are shipping at a historically normal rate for this time of year. We did experience a temporary decline in order rates for merchant products during April as service centers purposely destocked.

There was a rebound in merchant volume in May, and buying patterns appear to be normalizing as the economy reopens. The volume in our current fabrication backlog is near record levels, and metal margins on that work are very attractive at current rebar prices. Fabrication bidding activity has remained strong. Our recent booking rates has also been good. Metal margins within our Americas Mills segment exited the third quarter at levels above historical cycle average.

Also, as a reminder, the majority of our US business is driven by prefunded construction projects that are six months or longer in duration. Construction demand in Poland continues to also be robust, as I noted earlier. Finally, as I stated in our press release, the board of directors as stated in our press release, the board of directors declared a quarterly cash dividend of 12¢ per share of CMC common stock for stockholders of record on 07/06/2020. The dividend will be paid on July 2020. This represents CMC's two hundred and twenty third consecutive quarterly dividend.

With that as an overview, I will now turn the discussion over to Paul Lawrence, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, to provide some more comments on the results for the quarter.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Barbara, and good morning to everyone on the call today. I would like to begin with a few comments regarding CMC's balance sheet and liquidity profile, which is currently at its strongest level in well over a decade. Our purposeful actions over the last several quarters to reduce debt levels have positioned us well to maneuver through today's uncertain environment. As Barbara mentioned, net debt stood at just 1.2x trailing EBITDA at quarter end, and our gross debt ratio was 2x. We have a conservative capital structure with net debt of only approximately $700,000,000 outstanding.

Given the current economic backdrop, we are encouraged to see each of our bonds trading above par, a sign that creditors also appreciate our solid financial position. At quarter end, we had liquidity in excess of $1,000,000,000 including $462,000,000 of cash and $6.00 $4,000,000 of availability on our credit and accounts receivable programs. We currently have no plans or need to draw against our credit facilities. Turning to the third quarter financial results. We reported earnings from continuing operations of $64,200,000 or $0.53 per diluted share compared to $78,600,000 or $0.66 per diluted share in the third quarter of twenty nineteen.

We incurred net after tax charges of $6,200,000 during the quarter, primarily related to our decision to continue to consolidate our West Coast operations and exit a fabrication facility. This is another action in our ongoing effort to optimize CMC's network following the 2018 rebar asset acquisition. Vast majority of the charges taken were noncash, and we expect to realize cost benefits in future periods. Our core EBITDA from continuing operations was $154,800,000 for the third quarter of twenty twenty, a slight increase from the $153,600,000 reported in the third quarter of last year despite the pandemic impacting global economies. The Americas Recycling segment recorded adjusted EBITDA loss of $1,700,000 in the 2020 compared to EBITDA of $12,300,000 in the same period last year.

The market environment for scrap was already challenging exiting the winter months. The additional strain of COVID-nineteen pushed lower pricing even lower and caused several third party mill customers to significantly reduce their buy programs. We were able to preserve metal margins during the quarter by making early and rapid adjustments to our scale prices and tightly managing inventory turns. However, this was more than offset by the effect of sharply lower volumes as industrial scrap generation was meaningfully slowed due to the temporary idling of manufacturing facilities. The total ferrous and nonferrous shipments declined by 21% from a year ago, hitting their lowest mark in over three years.

We did not, however, have any issues getting sufficient scrap into our mill operations. The Americas Mills segment recorded adjusted EBITDA of 133,200,000 for the 2020 compared to adjusted EBITDA of $158,100,000 for the third quarter of twenty nineteen. Shipment volumes declined by only 4% from a year ago. When compared to the broader steel market, which will likely experience a sharp double digit decrease, we believe the single digit decline highlights the relative strength and near term stability of construction end markets. Shipments of merchant products also declined only modestly due largely to being able to gain incremental market share.

As Barbara mentioned, our domestic mills achieved their best per tonne conversion cost levels in the last two years despite incurring some incremental costs relating to keeping our employees safe. Metal margins remained at historically high levels. The third quarter average of $367 per tonne increased $17 per tonne sequentially as scrap costs fell but was down $19 from a year ago. Over the last eight quarters, we have managed our metal margin within a $50 band from $350 per tonne to $400 per tonne. This stability occurred within an environment of pronounced price volatility in the broader steel market.

As a comparison, during the same time frame, margins over scrap for hot rolled coil, the domestic market's biggest, largest volume product category, experienced a $250 per tonne swing from peak to trough. The Americas Fabrications segment recorded its best quarterly profit in nearly twelve years. Adjusted EBITDA of $31,900,000 improved significantly from the adjusted EBITDA loss of $23,300,000 in the prior year quarter. Similar to the American mills, volume was only marginally impacted by select job outages in certain jurisdictions. Financial results improved as a result of the rising average selling prices against declining rebar input costs, which led to margin expansion.

Average selling prices of $966 per tonne increased $41 per tonne compared to the third quarter of twenty nineteen. Margin in our backlog is solid, and we expect material to be profitable when shipped in future quarters based on current rebar pricing. Also, the volume of our backlog remains strong, sitting at approximately 96% of recent peak levels. International Mills segment recorded adjusted EBITDA of $14,300,000 for the 2020 compared to adjusted EBITDA of $24,100,000 in the prior year quarter. The modest decline in shipments from a year ago was driven by lower opportunistic billet volumes last year.

Finished goods shipments out of our mill actually increased by 2% year over year, helped by continued strength of demand for construction steel and market share gains in merchant and wire rod products. Within an environment of contracting Central European industrial activity, our Polish team added new customers and took share. Metal margins were down year over year but stable on a sequential quarter basis, pressured by import orders and the overall challenging steel market in Europe. Turning back to our consolidated results. Our effective tax rate for the quarter was 27%, and we anticipate that our effective rate for 2020 will be approximately 25% to twenty six percent.

In the third quarter, we generated $278,000,000 of cash from operating activities, with $157,000,000 coming from working capital liquidation. Looking at cash flow performance over the last twelve months gives us an even bigger picture of CMC's capabilities following our strategic twenty eighteen acquisition. We generated $787,000,000 of cash from operating activities and free cash flow, defined as cash flow from operations minus capital expenditures, has totaled $6.00 $6,000,000 This has allowed us to pay down $200,000,000 of debt over that time period and increase our cash balance to $462,000,000 at May 31. We estimate that capital expenditures for fiscal twenty twenty will be in the range of $155,000,000 to $170,000,000 This is down slightly from our prior guidance of 160,000,000 to $185,000,000 and is based on a clearer view of total spend as we approach the end of the fiscal year. This concludes my remarks.

And now I'll turn it back over to Barbara.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Paul. As we previously indicated, CMC exited the third quarter with near record level backlogs. This will support fourth quarter shipments at our Americas Mills And Fabrication segments, where we expect normal volume seasonality despite COVID-nineteen. Fabrication margins are anticipated to remain strong as we continue to benefit from a solidly priced backlog and easing of input costs. Recycling should return to a modest profitability with activity levels picking up from depressed third quarter levels.

International mill performance is expected to be relatively stable quarter over quarter. Stepping outside of our internal view, I'll share the twenty twenty and twenty twenty one outlook published last week by the Portland Cement Association, one of the most reputable forecasters of construction activity. The organization expects cement consumption to decline just under 4% this calendar year, followed by roughly 1% growth next year. We're proud of our company's excellent third quarter performance. The strong profits and cash flows are a result of the extraordinary efforts of our CNC team.

The last three months were unlike anything we've ever experienced. The determination, creativity, and collaboration of our people, which is the CMC way, steered our company through every challenge and brought us out stronger than ever. Thank you. And at this time, we'll now open the call to questions.

Speaker 3

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session.

Speaker 0

Our first question today will come from Chris Terry with Deutsche Bank.

Speaker 3

Go ahead.

Speaker 4

Barbara and Paul. Thanks for your comments. My question just relates to the overall market in terms of the backlog and what you're seeing there. And some other comments indicated that it may have shortened a little bit. So just wondered if you could elaborate on maybe some more detail on your specific backlog.

And then as part of that question, I noted the market share comments you've done a great job with during the quarter. Just wondered if you could comment on other opportunities there and whether you think you'll be able to continue to get market share in future quarters.

Speaker 1

Yeah. Excuse me. In in terms of in terms of the backlog, our backlog is extremely strong as as we indicated. And in every year, our backlog has a certain, amount of seasonality in it. Construction is obviously impacted by weather, and so this is the busy time of year when you move into spring and summer.

And typically, you tend to see the backlog, go down a little bit in the fall, and then it picks back up in as you enter the new year and build for the spring. But what I would what I so we're not seeing any, any change in the normal pattern of our backlog. We're obviously monitoring that carefully given the economic, you know, carnage from COVID nineteen. But thus far, we're not seeing any project cancellations to speak of. We continue to see good projects to bid on.

We continue to see a nice booking rate, which follows historical patterns. So we're really pleased with how that's evolving, and of course, many states are reopening, and economic activity is beginning to pick up nicely. In terms of the market share, you know, we had a stated strategy to to grow our our merchant business, and with the added flexibility of our larger mill footprint, that gives us more flexibility for the mills that do produce merchant products. We've made some rather small investments in order to, improve that product offering, increase the size ranges available, be able to better protect the product in a climate controlled environment in certain geographies. And I would remind you that there was some capacity that has been taken out of the market on the merchant side, And, that has, you know, presented a nice opportunity for us to to step in and supply the needs.

So

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks, Barbara.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Chris.

Speaker 0

And the next question will come from Seth Rosenfield with Exane BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Good morning. Thank you all

Speaker 3

for taking my questions today. If I may, I have a

Speaker 5

question with regards to the outlook for conversion costs within Americas Mills. Obviously, very strong performance this past quarter, significantly improved after the Gerdau acquisition. How should we think about this on a go forward basis? Are we now approaching a kind of post Gerdau steady state, worker now conversion costs are on par with the legacy commercial metals assets, or do you see something significant more to come? You did comment on some of the noncash charges in this past quarter.

How much contribution could there be from that moving forward? And then secondly, please, with regards to the outlook for working capital, obviously, strong release this past quarter. Do you please give us a little bit of guidance on outlook for Q4 and perhaps going into 2021, assuming the market continues to strengthen? You.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Saif. Yes, as far as conversion costs, if we look year over year, really, we see a huge benefit in terms of the decision that we took in terms of closing the melt operations in California. And that really has provided a significant opportunity for us to drive the overall costs lower. In addition to that, there because of some of the negative economic activities, we've seen some deflationary pressures in some of the costs. Some of the alloy pricing has come down and some of the electrode costs have also come off, certainly their peaks from twelve to eighteen months ago.

And so we believe that these costs that we saw in this past quarter certainly are things that we can continue into the future. I think in addition, we're not done optimizing the network of facilities and there are still opportunities to drive these costs lower. But I think you'll see costs in the fourth quarter probably be similar to what we had in the third quarter. With respect to working capital, we obviously very proud of the release of working capital in the quarter. If we look at the components of what drove that is we saw some tightening in terms of the days receivables and days of inventory that we have outstanding at this time.

So those were very prudent measures that we took in order to manage our working capital levels as we got ourselves into this uncertain period. But we also saw a fair bit of valuation reduction in terms of our inventory levels given that the value of scrap in the second quarter was substantially higher than what it was in the third quarter. We do see, however, as we look forward that the fourth quarter will likely be another generator of working capital. There's still more opportunity, but it certainly won't be at the same level as the third quarter unless, of course, we have a major price change of the underlying assets, which we don't see.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Seth.

Speaker 0

The next question will come from Timna Tanners with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Yeah. Hey. Good morning. Wanted to ask about a little bit more about the American mail America's mail segment. Just broadly, when you made the comments Paul talked about, you know, single digit declines potentially in construction relative to double digit declines for overall steel.

Is that just using, like, high level industry forecasts, or is there something specific you're seeing there that you can talk through and when you know, what timing you're referring to? And, also, on on the America's mills, if you could talk a little bit about the supply side, in terms of the if you're seeing much impact of the increase in imports in April and May and, some new supply coming into the market. Thanks.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Timna. Hope you're doing well. So as you can appreciate, everybody's trying to get their arms around, the go forward forecast coming out of of COVID nineteen. And what I would say is that each time we see, you know, some expert in the market, and there are many, many indicators that we all follow, the revisions seem to be more optimistic. In other words, the magnitude of economic decline following the pandemic is is not as dramatic as what folks thought two or three months ago when we were, you know, in the beginning of it.

So what I what I reported was the Portland cement latest projection, which is calling for, you know, a 4% decline year over year in in cement consumption for 2020, and then a rebound of 1% next year. And we highlighted that one because we have found of all the indicators that we monitor, Portland cement tends to be fairly accurate in their projections. But clearly, there's a lot more that we need to monitor and watch as time moves on. But, I'm still fairly optimistic in the go forward because, of course, the president is discussing his infrastructure bill, the House and the Senate have a proposal out there, and that's before you think about onshoring or reshoring of manufacturing and supply chain adjustments that may occur as a result of this. But certainly, we're gonna continue to monitor all the different market projections going forward.

On the supply side, you're you're very familiar, of course, with the the capacity coming online, more specifically, the two Nucor rebar mills. And Sedalia is coming online and course Nucor will update their progress on that. And we are starting to see a bit of that product in the market. But as they had plans to introduce that commercially, we had plans, you know, to make room for that, so to speak. So we have not seen any major impacts yet.

And and, of course, the frost proof is is not yet ready for commissioning. So we'll see how that progresses, later on this year, I think, is their projected date. In terms of imports, most definitely we're seeing more import offers, particularly, Mexico and and Turkey. We monitor that very carefully as well. There's been a surge of product from Mexico, not only on the rebar side, but also merchant.

And, at this point, we believe customers are hesitant to take the risk on a lot of that product, but it is something that we're monitoring. And, you know, again, with our larger network, we have more ability to, satisfy the customers and meet their needs provide more flexibility for them. So you've been around this business a long time, and that's always something that we're monitoring very carefully. I should point out, you know, Mexico Department of Commerce ruled on the fact that Mexico was circumventing the the $2.32 tariff situation by manipulating the straight bar and and welding a hook on it and clearly trying to circumvent our trade regulations. So I would, you know, remind those listening that these other countries don't respect our trade laws, and it's a constant battle for us to try to keep them honest and convey those things back to to our trade regulators.

And we are very pleased to see commerce come out and and recognize that Mexico was definitely circumventing.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's really helpful overview. Thanks. And the only other question I wanted to sneak in, if I could, is just, you know, the the mention of the much improved liquidity or the best liquidity in over a decade is is, I think, a really important point. And I just wondered if along those lines, could update us on your capital allocation priorities, any thoughts on, you know, M and A or increasing the dividend or other uses of cash?

And, you know, what time frame are you thinking would it be to get past this current environment? Or are you thinking maybe opportunistically about, you know, opportunities really in the downturn?

Speaker 1

Well, thank you, Timna. We are so proud of, you know, where we stand. Of course, we we could never have anticipated that we would be facing a global pandemic. But this is a cyclical business, so you always need to protect the balance sheet for for any, unexpected situation. And And so it's really helping us in this current moment.

And having said that, this could be a moment where there are opportunities that present themselves. And I think that we're in a position where we have enormous flexibility, for potentially M and A if it were to present itself. You know, the dividend, we have a fairly robust dividend. And it's certainly something that we look at on a continuous basis. I think we would like to see a little more clarity, before making a dividend change.

So we have all options available to us. We constantly keep a list of, attractive CapEx projects that, we're continuously considering and evaluating based on market conditions and other cash needs. So there's always a set of ideas there. And you're going to see us be disciplined and prudent with whether it's CapEx or dividend or M and A or any of those, types of uses of cash. But certainly, if there are opportunities, we're in a really great position to consider it and seize those opportunities.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thanks again.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Jimna.

Speaker 0

The next question will come from Phil Gibbs with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey. Good morning, Paul and Barbara

Speaker 5

and team. How are you?

Speaker 1

Doing great.

Speaker 5

Good.

Speaker 7

Pricing in America's mills, I I think, was pretty stable quarter on quarter, and we've seen some, some easing at least in the indications from from folks like Platts just in the in the rebar pricing. And, clearly, that didn't play out in the results. So I'm curious if this is a product mix issue or or in a good way, you know, or a timing thing where we may see some some pricing, you know, creep down in in q four? You've obviously given the the outlook on the volume side, but I'm I'm curious in terms of,

Speaker 2

your spreads.

Speaker 1

Yeah. Phil, we we really don't give pricing guidance. That's that's an area that we don't don't step into. And however, we we manage, the business by by trying to manage the metal margin, which is really what drives our our earnings and and our results. And I think Paul gave some, you know, some great information around the stability of metal margin, you know, in this in this space, owing in part to, you know, relatively strong construction markets.

But also, I think it speaks to our commercial approach, and it speaks to the benefits of the acquisition that we did in 02/2018. But if if you go back in time, rebar metal margins have have had a lot more stability and a tighter range around peak to trough than, you know, many other steel products. And we we believe, you know, over the long term, the repositioning of our portfolio, that that will lead to more stability in our our margins and and our earnings profile when compared to other products that that tend to have a lot more volatility in in their metal margins.

Speaker 7

Thanks, Barbara. And I know you have an expansion project, in in Poland, you know, that you've talked about a handful of times on these calls over the last couple of years. Where where does that project stand, you know, right now? And and maybe you can remind us what it is or what the timing is and what the benefit is to you all over the next, call it, midterm time horizon?

Speaker 2

Yes. Phil, the Polish investment is progressing well. Earlier this fiscal year, we received all of the necessary permitting and are continuing to complete that project. We are looking to start commissioning near the end of fiscal twenty twenty one. And just by way of reminder, this was a project to debottleneck our rolling activities in Poland to really free up an incremental 200,000 tonnes of capability at the site for some of the higher margin wire rod products that we produce in Poland.

And so it is an attractive project from an overall return perspective. But from an overall incremental impact to our business, We're looking at 22,000,000 and it will ramp up through that fiscal period to start contributing to our earnings.

Speaker 7

What's the investment cost, Paul?

Speaker 2

It it's approximately $80,000,000.

Speaker 7

And have you all have you all started spending that money yet?

Speaker 2

Yeah. At at this stage, it's it's it's approximately half spent.

Speaker 7

Oh, half spent. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Speaker 1

No. Thanks, Phil.

Speaker 0

All right. And the next question will come from Andreas Brokenhauser from UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Well,

Speaker 3

Just a brief two part question for me related. It's been a little while now since your rebar asset acquisitions in The U. S. The question is really what were the kind of the problem areas you saw in those existing assets and that made you think that we can do a better job with these assets? And could you give us just an update on how that's going now that you've been operating them for a while?

Those are my questions. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Andreas. Well, we're approaching eighteen months of operating the combined platform of assets. And, you know, really the biggest area of opportunity that we saw was to have a consistent commercial approach and to improve the overall service to to the customers. The assets were fairly well maintained. Initially, we thought we would have to put a bit of capital into the assets, but after taking ownership, the capital need has not been as great as we, originally anticipated.

But a lot of it was just, basic blocking and tackling in terms of, you know, really more on the customer service side and having the appropriate inventory available. Those assets had been starved of working capital, which, did not give them any flexibility to serve the customer needs. The other opportunity for us is really optimizing our network of operations and servicing the customer from the the lowest cost site and not, you know, freighting product past one facility to the end customer. So there's been some logistic savings and that type of thing. Interestingly enough, there were even leveraged by procurement savings.

We didn't expect that because Gerdau is a much larger company, so we thought they had more, leverage over their suppliers. But there were even opportunities in that regard. You know, I think, it's it's just been a home run for us all the way around. And, we while we do see some opportunities going forward in terms of continuing to optimize the network and maybe bring out some additional working capital. And, you know, it's just our nature to constantly be working on cost opportunities.

But, at this point, we're, you know, we're well past the the integration of those assets into our our complete portfolio. And and I I I would further add that, you know, we we acquired a lot of really talented individuals, and, you know, it was really giving them the tools that they needed to be successful. And they have fully embraced and, you know, just really delivered beyond our expectations.

Speaker 3

That's clear. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Oh, thank you.

Speaker 0

Now our next question will come from David Gagliano with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. Since since mentioned the the potential for infrastructure spending specifically as a as another potential tailwind, I did wanna drill down on this, you know, a bit more. I think a lot of us that have been around for a while have actually been down this path a few times. We we've had the joy of, you know, trying to frame, you know, what the actual impact on steel consumption in The US would be from a, say, for example, $1,000,000,000,000 spending bill, you know, based on things like steel intensity of projects, total capital costs, and, you know, projecting that over a $1,000,000,000,000 incremental spending boost.

And I I think, you know, many came to the conclusion that it may not necessarily be this, you know, massive demand booster, that obviously the headlines, you know, would imply. Definitely helps, obviously, but perhaps not a massive demand boost and and, you know, could even incentivize more supply that is needed. And then there's also a time lag issue, I think, that that comes up as well. So my question specifically is, what do you think the specific impact would be on steel consumption in The US from a, you know, for example, a $1,000,000,000,000 spending bill? What do you project to be the timing of the onset of that impact, in terms of actual orders for steel?

Speaker 1

Well, thank you, David. And, you're right. Infrastructure is a topic that's been, something certainly I've talked about for the last ten years that I've been around CMC and fifteen years in this industry. And, I think what's encouraging about the current situation, and, you know, we're not really even thinking in terms of of the president's 1,000,000,000,000. What you have is a house proposal on the table, and you have a senate proposal on the table.

And you have the existing FAST Act, which is due to expire at the September. So first and foremost, to have both the House and the Senate have a proposal on the table at this stage is a good development. It's not something that that, you know, we've seen historically. Second, both bills are an increase over the existing spending in the existing FAST Act. I think that there is no debate over the need for, and that has never been the issue.

I think, but there has been an unwillingness of both sides to come together to to agree on something. And I I think that the pandemic, both sides of the aisle are highly incented to help The US economy recover from the after effects. And that means, you know, creating jobs that and jobs that that create economic value. And building our infrastructure is is is vitally necessary, for The United States to remain competitive over the long term. So I think, there's going to be something that that they can agree upon, and I think it will be, above the current spending level.

And there are many people that that will make predictions on, you know, what what the increase in steel, demand will be as a result. We we do our own projections, and our estimate would suggest that there's, you know, anyone anywhere from a million to a million and a half additional tons of steel that, could be consumed as a result of a a bill that would be, at a higher spending level than than the existing FAST Act. And I think that's good for the industry. It would certainly help, absorb the capacity that's been announced. And this is a very innovative industry.

We find ways to always improve productivity to meet those kinds of challenges. And so I I believe something will move forward. And, of course, as you rightly point out, it depends on the type of project in terms of steel intensity. But we have some pretty bright people in our organization that have looked at it pretty carefully, and they're well piped into both the House and the Senate proposals. And I really look forward to seeing where this ends up.

But I think it has a high likelihood of coming to some sort of resolution. And I think in terms of the timing, as we said earlier, The US economy was was scorching hot prior to the pandemic, as evidenced by, you know, our results in this quarter. And and the fact that the construction activity that was already planned, it it it continued on. And so I think that the timing could be ideal, when, you know, this money would become available and new work would be planned and begin to, translate into steel orders. So I don't think there's, you know, gonna be a tremendous time lag, if if the House and Senate come together and and they take action prior to the expiration of the existing bill.

And as I said, I think there's a high probability that they will get something done. And I I think we can't forget the repositioning of supply chain. I I have no doubt that, we learned quite a bit through this. We all are familiar with the amount of critical supplies that, we no longer make in this country. And we had shortages and difficulties, whether it was ventilators, pharmaceuticals, on and on.

And I I know I've talked to some of our customers who are actually already taking steps to move supply chain back, And I believe we're going to see a lot of supply chain rebalancing that that will present opportunity for, growth in industrial activity in The US, which would, you know, further support the need for a strong infrastructure, plan.

Speaker 8

Okay. That's that's helpful. I I appreciate it. I think there's there's some misquotes out there on on Bloomberg, so I really appreciate you clarifying the, you know, the views on, potential for, an infrastructure spending package. Appreciate it.

Thanks.

Speaker 1

Thank you, David.

Speaker 3

At this time, there appear to be no further questions. Ms. Smith, I'd now like to turn the call back over to you.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Sean. Thank you all for joining us on today's conference call. We look forward to speaking with many of you during our investor calls in the coming weeks. Have a great afternoon. Thank you.

Speaker 0

This concludes today's Commercial Metals Company conference call. You may now disconnect.