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CNA FINANCIAL CORP (CNA)·Q4 2024 Earnings Summary

Executive Summary

  • Core EPS was $1.25 on core income of $342M, down 6% YoY, while net EPS was $0.07 due to a $290M after-tax pension settlement charge; P&C underlying combined ratio remained strong at 91.4% and underlying underwriting gain hit a record $222M .
  • Property & Casualty combined ratio was 93.1% vs 92.1% LY, with catastrophes adding 1.8 pts (mainly Hurricane Milton), offset by a 1.2-pt expense ratio improvement from NEP growth; net investment income rose 5% to $644M .
  • Commercial delivered record underlying profitability (90.0% underlying CR) and all-in underwriting gain of $106M as NEP grew 14%; Specialty margins compressed on management liability pricing; International saw FX headwinds and higher cats .
  • Capital and dividends: regular dividend raised 5% to $0.46 and a $2.00 special dividend declared; book value/share ex-AOCI was $46.16 (+8% YoY adjusted for dividends); AM Best revised outlooks to Positive in December .
  • 2025 setup: CFO guides fixed-income and other investment income of ~$550M in Q1 2025 and ~$2.225B for FY 2025, ~21% core tax rate, and expense ratio run-rate ~30.5%; management estimates $40–$70M net exposure to California wildfires—watch estimate updates and catastrophe trends .

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

What Went Well

  • Record underlying underwriting gain ($222M) and lowest P&C expense ratio since 2008 (30.0%): “The expense ratio of 30.0% was the lowest since 2008, a significant contributing factor to our excellent underlying combined ratio” — CEO Douglas Worman .
  • Commercial segment records: underlying combined ratio 90.0% (lowest since 2008), all-in underwriting gain $106M, and NEP +14%; commercial auto rate +17% and excess casualty +11% supported rate adequacy above loss cost trends .
  • Investment income momentum: total NII $644M (+5% YoY) with favorable fixed income and strong LP/common stock performance; full-year NII $2.497B (+10%) .

What Went Wrong

  • Core EPS down and Specialty margin compression: Specialty combined ratio rose to 93.8% (vs 90.8% LY) on continued management liability pricing pressure (underlying LR +1.5 pts) and higher expense ratio .
  • International headwinds: cats of $12M (3.9 pts) and FX losses ($15M pretax) drove combined ratio to 94.8% (vs 93.0% LY) despite NEP +11% .
  • Corporate charges and legacy exposures: core loss widened to $(91)M, including non-economic A&EP LPT accounting charge ($35M after-tax) and $17M after-tax legacy mass tort development; watch continued reserve reviews .

Financial Results

Consolidated headline metrics (oldest → newest)

MetricQ4 2023Q3 2024Q4 2024
Revenue ($USD Billions)$3.507 $3.618 $3.689
Diluted EPS (Net)$1.35 $1.04 $0.07
Core EPS$1.33 $1.08 $1.25
P&C Combined Ratio (%)92.1% 97.2% 93.1%
P&C Underlying Combined Ratio (%)91.4% 91.6% 91.4%
Catastrophes (CR pts)1.0 5.8 1.8

Segment breakdown – profitability and mix (Q4 2024 vs Q4 2023)

SegmentNet Earned Premiums ($MM)Underwriting Gain ($MM)Combined Ratio (%)Underlying Combined Ratio (%)
Specialty$868 $54 93.8 93.8
Specialty (LY)$869 $80 90.8 91.4
Commercial$1,384 $106 92.3 90.0
Commercial (LY)$1,211 $86 92.9 91.6
International$319 $18 94.8 91.3
International (LY)$288 $20 93.0 91.8

KPIs and production (oldest → newest; P&C consolidated)

KPIQ4 2023Q3 2024Q4 2024
Rate Change (%)4% 3% 3%
Renewal Premium Change (%)5% 5% 4%
Retention (%)85% 85% 86%
New Business ($MM)$547 $547 $591
GWP ex 3rd party captives ($MM)$2,974 $2,825 $3,230
NWP ($MM)$2,508 $2,360 $2,752
Net Investment Income ($MM)$611 $626 $644

Guidance Changes

MetricPeriodPrevious GuidanceCurrent GuidanceChange
Fixed income & other NIIQ1 2025N/A~$550M New quantitative outlook
Fixed income & other NIIFY 2025~+$2.175B FY24 est. (Q3 guide) ~$2.225B Raised vs prior outlook
P&C Expense Ratio run-rate2025~30.7% FY24 run-rate view (Q2) ~30.5% Slightly lower run-rate
Core tax rate2025~21% implied 2024 ~21% Maintained
DividendQ1 2025$0.44/qtr $0.46/qtr and $2.00 special Raised + special
Wildfire net exposure2025N/A$40–$70M estimate New risk disclosure

Earnings Call Themes & Trends

TopicPrevious Mentions (Q2, Q3)Current Period (Q4)Trend
Social inflation & casualty pricingAuto/excess casualty low double-digit rates; raised auto loss picks Commercial auto +17%, excess casualty +11%; rate > loss cost trend Continued discipline; rate above trends
Specialty management liabilityRate declines driving higher underlying LR, margin compression Continued pricing pressure; Specialty CR 93.8% Persistent headwind
CatastrophesQ2 cats 3.5 pts; Q3 cats 5.8 pts (Helene) Q4 cats 1.8 pts (Hurricane Milton) Lower sequentially; still meaningful YoY
International FXQ3 FX gain; rates slightly negative Q4 FX loss (~$15M); rates slightly negative; cats ~4 pts FX headwind emerged
Expense ratio & productivityQ2–Q3 ~30.3%; lowest in years 30.0% (lowest since 2008); 2025 run-rate ~30.5% Structural improvement; modest 2025 guide
Investment income outlookQ2 guide +6% FY24 Q1’25 ~$550M; FY’25 ~$2.225B Stable-to-up trajectory
Capital & ratingsStable ratings Q3 AM Best outlook revised to Positive Credibility tailwind
LTC run-off actionsPolicy buyouts, rate approvals; favorable assumption updates deferred Ongoing; core loss $(18)M on morbidity; NII higher Execution continues, mixed earnings impact

Management Commentary

  • “The underlying underwriting gain was up 10% in the quarter to a record high of $222 million… expense ratio of 30.0% was the lowest since 2008” — Douglas Worman, CEO .
  • “Commercial… underlying combined ratio was a record low of 90.0%… all-in underwriting gain of $106 million was the best on record” — Management remarks .
  • “We currently believe an expense ratio of about 30.5% is a reasonable run rate heading into 2025” — Scott Lindquist, CFO .
  • “We expect income from fixed income and other investments to be about $2,225 million [FY 2025]” — CFO .
  • “We currently estimate net exposure relating to the California wildfires in the range of $40 million to $70 million” — Management .

Q&A Highlights

  • Net vs gross written premium growth: Higher net growth driven by mix in Commercial/Specialty and favorable prior-year reinsurance treaty adjustments in International .
  • 2025 fixed-income guidance: Despite favorable long rates, lower short-term rates temper “other investments”; expect ~2% YoY increase vs 2024 .
  • International FX variance: U.S. dollar vs GBP caused ~$15M pretax FX loss; Lloyd’s assets largely USD hedge through OCI .
  • Reinsurance renewals: Most third-party treaties oversubscribed with favorable terms and ceding economics, supporting underwriting stability .
  • Legacy liabilities: A&EP LPT accounting creates timing differences; deferred gain of ~$425M to be amortized over time .

Estimates Context

  • We attempted to retrieve S&P Global consensus estimates for Q4 2024 EPS and revenue; data was unavailable in this session due to provider limits. As a result, we cannot assess beat/miss vs Street for EPS or revenue at this time.
  • Actuals for Q4 2024: Revenue $3.689B, Core EPS $1.25, Net EPS $0.07 (includes $290M after-tax pension settlement) .
MetricConsensus (Q4 2024)Actual (Q4 2024)
Revenue ($USD Billions)Unavailable (S&P Global)$3.689
EPS (Core, $)Unavailable (S&P Global)$1.25
EPS (Net, $)Unavailable (S&P Global)$0.07

Key Takeaways for Investors

  • Underlying profitability remains robust: record underlying underwriting gain and sub-92% underlying CR; Commercial is driving the quality of earnings despite casualty inflation .
  • Specialty margin pressure is the key risk to monitor; management liability rate discipline remains necessary to stabilize loss ratio trajectory .
  • Investment income provides a durable tailwind; 2025 fixed-income guide suggests stability/upside even with lower short rates—supports core ROE ~10% context .
  • Expense ratio structurally improved (30.0% in Q4) with 2025 run-rate ~30.5%; operating leverage from NEP growth is a persistent positive .
  • Capital return: dividend increase and $2.00 special dividend are near-term catalysts; AM Best outlook revision to Positive adds a credibility premium .
  • Watch cats and wildfire exposure ($40–$70M), FX in International, and legacy charges (A&EP LPT, mass tort) as potential sources of earnings volatility .
  • Near-term trading implications: dividend actions and strong Commercial margins are supportive; sensitivity to Specialty pricing trends and catastrophe headlines could introduce volatility around prints .