CONDUENT Inc (CNDT)·Q1 2025 Earnings Summary
Executive Summary
- Q1 2025 revenue was $751M and Adjusted EBITDA margin was 4.9%, reflecting improved profitability despite lower year-over-year revenue and maintained FY25 outlook; management called it “a good start to 2025” with margin ahead of expectations . Versus S&P Global consensus, revenue missed ($751M vs $776M*) while Primary EPS (proxying to adjusted EPS) beat (-$0.13 vs -$0.23*) .
- Government and Transportation dynamics drove mix: Government revenue fell on a lapped contract termination and reserve-related one-time items (~$8M impact), while Transportation improved margins and contributed via NYC congestion pricing implementation .
- Management reiterated portfolio rationalization, targeting in excess of $1B of deployable capital and pursuing another ~$350M of asset proceeds to narrow focus, reduce debt, and support capital allocation flexibility .
- Catalysts: maintained FY25 guide (Adj. Revenue $3.10–$3.25B; Adj. EBITDA margin 4.5%–5.5%) ; AI-driven fraud prevention traction and Conduent’s Vector platform role in NYC congestion pricing; potential additional divestitures; and improving sales metrics (ACV, Net ARR) .
Estimates marked with * are from S&P Global.
What Went Well and What Went Wrong
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What Went Well
- Profitability resilience: Adjusted EBITDA rose to $37M with margin up 50 bps YoY to 4.9%, ahead of internal expectations . CEO: “Adjusted EBITDA margins exceeded expectations” .
- Transportation margin recovery: Revenue down 7.6% YoY to $133M, but adjusted EBITDA rose to $6M and margin to 4.5% (+380 bps YoY), aided by operational execution and absence of prior-year termination costs .
- Sales momentum and forward indicators: New business ACV increased 14% YoY to $109M; Net ARR Activity Metric (TTM) improved to $116M; management expects a “relatively strong Q2 in sales” .
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What Went Wrong
- Top-line pressure: Adjusted revenue declined 8.5% YoY to $751M (GAAP revenue -18.5% YoY due to 2024 divestiture gains), with Government segment down 16% driven by a large healthcare contract terminated in Q1 2024 and reserves (~$8M top and bottom) .
- Cash flow softness: Operating cash flow of $(58)M and Adjusted FCF of $(74)M, with management noting YoY comparisons are distorted by 2024 tax refunds/divestiture contributions; normalized performance better than Q1 2024 .
- Cyber event costs: Incurred ~$3M and accrued ~$22M of costs related to the January 2025 cyber event; however, operations impact was minimal and protections have been remediated .
Financial Results
Notes: S&P Global consensus figures marked with *. EBITDA consensus may not be directly comparable to company Adjusted EBITDA (company-adjusted Q1 EBITDA = $37M vs S&P ‘EBITDA actual’ of ~$4M before company adjustments) . Values retrieved from S&P Global.
Segment breakdown (Q1 2025)
KPIs and sales indicators
Guidance Changes
Additional color: Management expects Q2 2025 revenue to be sequentially higher than Q1 but slightly below Q2 2024, with adjusted EBITDA margin 4.0%–4.5% and top-line growth in H2 2025 as cost programs flow through .
Earnings Call Themes & Trends
Management Commentary
- “Q1 represented a strong start to the year… adjusted EBITDA and EBITDA margin… were ahead of our expectations.” — CEO Cliff Skelton .
- “Government ACV was up sequentially again this quarter… New business TCV was up 96% YoY at $280M… Net ARR metric… was positive and sequentially higher… at $116M.” — CFO Giles (Giles) Goodburn .
- “Our portfolio rationalization efforts… targeted assets… will generate another $350M of proceeds, then surpassing our $1B target.” — CEO .
- “We played an integral role in implementing congestion management pricing in New York City… facilitating toll transactions and payment processing through our Vector platform.” — CFO .
- “We increased fraud detection rates and account takeover efforts by 150%… intend to help solve [EBT/SNAP] with chip cards and other fraud prevention capabilities.” — CEO .
Q&A Highlights
- State/local government opportunity: Management sees upside as states pursue fraud reduction and administrative efficiencies; Conduent’s role in SNAP and Medicaid eligibility/detection positions it to benefit irrespective of federal policy changes .
- Cyber event status: Costs are “baked in”; minimal operational impact; systems restored quickly; ongoing data examination with clients; reserve recorded .
- AI regulation: No material regulatory hurdles encountered across commercial and government deployments; AI augments, not replaces, complex people-driven work .
- Macro/tariffs exposure: Limited to small elements in transit equipment; Medicaid tech matching rate untouched; close client dialogue continues .
- Capital allocation/leverage: Phase II rationalization will mirror Phase I’s balanced approach (debt reduction and reinvestment); net leverage expected to trend toward ~1.5x in H2 and ~1x by YE 2025 .
Estimates Context
Notes: Primary EPS from S&P Global aligns closely to company “Adjusted Diluted EPS.” S&P’s “EBITDA” (estimate ~$15.7M*, actual ~$4M* before company adjustments) is not directly comparable to company-reported Adjusted EBITDA of $37M for Q1 . Values retrieved from S&P Global.
Where estimates may adjust:
- Lower Q1 revenue vs consensus, combined with segment commentary on Government headwinds/reserves, could push near-term revenue estimates modestly lower; however, margin outperformance and reiterated FY25 guide may support EPS/margin estimates .
Key Takeaways for Investors
- Margin delivery ahead of plan despite revenue pressure: Adj. EBITDA margin expanded 50 bps YoY to 4.9%, with one-time items net helping margin by ~1 point; focus shifts to sustaining profitability as Government resets .
- Transportation execution is a bright spot: NYC congestion pricing and fare-gate wins showcase platform leverage and potential for follow-on adoption in other states and international markets .
- Fraud prevention is a tangible AI use case: 150% improvement in detection and an emerging product line in EBT/SNAP create monetizable opportunities with state agencies .
- Portfolio actions remain a catalyst: Management is pursuing an additional ~$350M of asset proceeds to surpass the $1B deployable capital target, supporting deleveraging and strategic reinvestment .
- FY25 guidance maintained: Adj. Revenue $3.10–$3.25B and Adj. EBITDA margin 4.5%–5.5% underpin a second-half recovery narrative (Q2 sequential growth, H2 top-line and margin expansion) .
- Near-term trading lens: Expect debate on revenue trajectory (miss vs consensus) vs. positive margin execution and divestiture optionality; watch Q2 sales conversion and Government reserve normalization for inflection signals .
- Risk monitor: Cyber-related costs and any ensuing legal/regulatory developments; volume softness at largest commercial client; residual stranded costs as transitions complete in 2025 .
Estimates marked with * are from S&P Global. Values retrieved from S&P Global.
Appendix: Additional Context And Data Points
- FY25 Outlook (unchanged from Q4): Adj. Revenue $3.10–$3.25B; Adj. EBITDA margin 4.5%–5.5% .
- Balance sheet: Cash $293M at Q1-end; $550M revolver largely undrawn .
- Operating cash flow seasonality: Typically cash users in 1H and generators in 2H; net leverage expected to fall as cost programs land and EBITDA improves in H2 .