Catalyst Pharmaceuticals - Earnings Call - Q1 2021

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Speaker 0

Greetings, and welcome to the Catalyst Pharmaceuticals First Quarter twenty twenty one Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Ms.

Alicia Grande, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. Thank you. You may begin.

Speaker 1

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our conference call to discuss Catalyst's first quarter twenty twenty one financial results and corporate highlights. Leading the call today, we have Patrick McEnany, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. We are joined by Doctor. Stephen Miller, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Scientific Officer and Jeffrey Del Carmen, Chief Commercial Officer. For the Q and A session, we'll also have Doctor.

Gary Ingenito, Chief Medical and Regulatory Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that in the following comments and in the Q and we will make statements about expected future results, which may be forward looking statements for purposes of Ferro's securities laws. These statements relate to our current expectations, estimates and projections and are not guarantees of future performance. They involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are difficult to predict and may prove not to be accurate, especially in light of the effects of COVID-nineteen. Actual results may vary.

These forward looking statements should be considered only in conjunction with the detailed information contained in our SEC filings, including the risk factors described in our 2020 Annual Report on Form 10 ks. At this time, I will turn the call over to Pat.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Ali, and thanks everyone for joining us this morning for our first quarter twenty twenty one results and business update call. I hope that everyone is staying safe and healthy during these challenging times. Although we continue to see physician practices beginning to reopen in many parts of the country, data still supports the fact that certain parts of the country are much slower to open than others. And some patients remain reluctant to have physical visits to physicians' offices or to a lab. We continue to see signs that these dynamics are gradually improving and we remain optimistic that we will see a significant uptake in revenues during 2021.

We are pleased to report first quarter revenues of $30,200,000 versus $29,100,000 for the first quarter of last year. This first quarter of twenty twenty one will most likely be the most challenging comparison year over year because first quarter of last year was only modestly impacted by COVID where the Q1 of this year we were still recovering as we begin to move into the post pandemic period. Despite being in recovery mode, we had a good quarter. Revenues increased almost 4% over the same quarter last year. However, there were several charges that affected operating income and net income for the quarter and Ali will explain those details in a few minutes.

GAAP net income was $7,700,000 and non GAAP net income was 11,600,000.0 This year's first quarter net operating income was reduced substantially by timing difference relating to a charge of approximately $2,000,000 committed in the first quarter of twenty twenty one for patient assistance and foundation support programs that we were required to expense in the first quarter rather than expensing it over four quarters of twenty twenty one. Ali will be providing more detail regarding the differences for this quarter between the GAAP and non GAAP financial results. Very late in the first quarter of this year, our Board of Directors approved a share buyback program of up to $40,000,000 And as of today, the company has purchased in the open market 507,555 shares of common stock at an average purchase price of $4.49 per share. We continue to believe that rational purchases of our shares in the open market is prudent and increases shareholder value while at the same time we are increasing the cash on our balance sheet to be utilized for strategic growth opportunities. We ended the quarter with $143,300,000 in cash and investments and again no funded debt.

On the human resource side, we are well into our search for a Chief Product Development Officer as well as bringing in house our Investor Relations function. And we hope to onboard those two very important new senior leadership positions this quarter. Our commercial team continues to operate at a high level despite the challenging conditions. The growth initiatives that we put into place a little over a year ago are now beginning to accelerate new patient enrollments, which ultimately drives increased revenues. We have a number of new marketing programs that we've introduced that will increase awareness of LEMS among physicians and patients as well as the fact that there is now an FDA approved therapy in Firdapse that is deemed to be safe and effective in treating the disease.

Jeff will have much more to say about our commercial operations shortly. Our research and development team continues to make good progress on their efforts to expand the label for the Firdapse brand. We expect to make a final decision before the end of this quarter with regard to a potential path forward for MuSK MG. This will be after we complete our discussions on this topic with the FDA. Additionally, we are on target to begin enrollment of our proof of concept study for HNPP early next quarter.

Steve will provide you with more details on these programs as well as our Firdapse long acting development program in a few minutes. We've also been quite busy on the business development front. We are currently evaluating and conducting due diligence on several very exciting potential opportunities to expand our portfolio of marketed products and our product pipeline of early and late stage programs. While we haven't entered into any binding commitments to this point, we hope to pull the trigger on one or more product acquisition opportunities in 2021. Turning now to our ongoing litigation with the FDA because of the Resurgi approval in violation of Firdapse Orphan Drug Exclusivity.

Mortal arguments occurred on 03/23/2021 and we are now waiting for a decision from the three judge panel of the eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals. While we don't control when the court will rule, we're hopeful that the court will render a decision in the very near future. Lastly, with regard to the ongoing patent litigation with Jeucovis Pharmaceuticals and PantherRx, the matter is proceeding slowly and is still in its early stages. We are vigorously pursuing the case in order to defend our intellectual property and we intend to protect our IP wherever we determine that someone is infringing it. At this point, I'd like to turn the call over to Jeff Del Carmen, our Chief Commercial Officer to provide you with further details on our commercial operations.

Speaker 3

Thanks Pat and good morning everyone. We are very pleased with Q1 net sales of $30,200,000 which represents a 4% growth quarter versus the same quarter last year despite the pandemic's ongoing negative impact on diagnostic visits and subsequent new to brand prescriptions. As Pat mentioned, this quarter of twenty twenty one will most likely be the most challenging comparison year over year because the first quarter of last year was only modestly impacted by COVID. Strong net revenue in Q1 was driven primarily by new patient enrollments that outpaced Q4 twenty twenty, continued favorable reimbursement dynamics and a significant decrease in discontinuations. Q1 is the third consecutive quarter with growth in new patient enrollments.

In fact, new naive to 34 DAP patient enrollments were higher in Q1 than any other quarter since Q3 twenty nineteen, a 15% increase over Q4 twenty twenty. Our strong patient persistency resulted in continued low ninety day discontinuation rates of less than 1040% less than Q1 of twenty twenty. As I mentioned on the last earnings call, we expect continued growth in 2021 versus same quarters last year as we build upon the momentum generated in Q4. Through Q1 IQVIA COVID-nineteen market impact data suggests that diagnostic visits in the overall pharmaceutical market were approximately 12% lower than a hypothetical non COVID-nineteen scenario. As vaccination rates continue to increase, we are confident that the diagnostic visit backlog will translate into stronger new patient enrollment trends in the upcoming quarters.

Based on early observations in Q2, we are very optimistic about the growth potential for Firdapse versus same quarter last year, as well as versus Q1 of twenty twenty one. In April, new patient enrollments remained strong and compliance and persistence rates continued to be stable. Catalyst Pathways are free personalized patient services program that offers patients and families one on one support throughout their treatment journey has done an outstanding job ensuring adult LEMS patients have an optimal experience on Firdapse. Prescription approval rates remained over ninety percent across all payers, government or private commercial insurers. Furthermore, ninety eight percent of reauthorizations were granted in Q1, which shows the value of Firdapse is recognized by payers.

Patients enrolled in Catalyst Pathways, including those who are covered by Medicare and accessing foundation assistance have an average co pay of less than $2 per month. We continue to meet key milestones in the development and execution of our oncology lens strategy, which includes a detailed market assessment, direct work with oncology thought leaders, and ongoing market research. As we move into Phase two of this strategy, we are confident that through precision planning and provider education, we will be successful in achieving our ultimate goal, which is to support the unmet need of adult tumor LEMS patients. We have already seen a slight increase in the percentage of new enrollments that identify as tumor LEMS patients thus far in 2021. One key element to highlight in this area is the inclusion of LEMS testing in the most recent National Comprehensive Cancer Network guidelines for small cell lung cancer, which outlines the need for VGCC testing in small cell lung cancer patients complaining of weakness and autonomic dysfunction as a positive VGCC test indicates a possible LEMS diagnosis.

We expect that the strategies we have in place will shorten the diagnostic journey of adult LEMS patients and enable Catalyst to serve the significant number of additional patients sooner. Our focus on providing educational and branded resources to potential adult LEMS patients has generated over 1,400 unique users that have opted in online to receive useful information regarding LEMS. Initiatives containing LEMS disease state information directed towards healthcare providers has also gained traction. In closing, we are excited about the opportunity ahead to help all adult LEMS patients. I want to thank the entire team at Catalyst for their unwavering commitment to the LEMS community.

I will now turn the call over to Doctor. Stephen Miller, our Chief Operating Officer and Chief Scientific Officer, for an update on R and D activities.

Speaker 4

Thanks for the commercial update, Jeff. I'll now provide an update on our clinical pipeline to develop Firdapse for additional indications. Catalyst has now submitted our plans for a new clinical trial for the symptomatic treatment of MuSK myasthenia gravis or MuSK MG to the FDA for the review and comment. We anticipate the agency's response to our plans within the next ninety days. Specifically, our briefing materials to the FDA discussed the differences in the design of the new trial relative to the design of the completed trials.

As previously announced, our evaluation of the feasibility of conducting this new trial is underway. Upon receipt of the agency's comments and completion of our feasibility analysis, we will update the investment community on our further plans for the symptomatic treatment of MuSK MG with Firdapse. As previously announced, our multicenter Phase III trial for the treatment of MuSK MG with Firdapse did not achieve statistical significance for the primary and secondary endpoints. We concluded that the trial did not meet its endpoints due to higher than expected day to day disease state variability and a large placebo effect. Also previously reported, there was a marked clinical improvement upon initiation of therapy, which leads us to believe that Firdapse may provide clinical benefit for some patients.

Finally, significant clinical improvement was also seen in the previous proof of concept trial. We believe our proposed new clinical trial design will address the limitation of the previous phase three clinical trial and we hope the new trial design may better demonstrate the efficacy of Firdapse for the symptomatic treatment of MuSK MG. Catalyst will be initiating a proof of concept study to evaluate the treatment of hereditary neuropathy with liability to pressure palsies or HNPP with Firdapse during the third quarter of twenty twenty one. A protocol for this clinical study is currently under review by the FDA. HNPP is an autosomal dominantly inherited demyelinating peripheral nerve disease caused by a heterozygous deletion of the PMP twenty two gene leading to reduction of PMP 22 proteins by 35 to 50% of normal levels, which results in disruption of the myelin sheaths of motor and sensory nerve accents.

Patients with HNPP often present with focal sensory and motor deficits, including numbness and focal paralysis. The events may be triggered by mild mechanical compression innocuous to healthy people. In addition, HNPP patients are also affected by fatigue. Catalyst believes that HNPP affects about six thousand patients in The United States. The scientific basis for considering this indication is that the functional demyelination in HNPP results in excessive outward current through internodal voltage gated potassium channels.

Application of a potassium channel blocker like amifampridine is expected to improve action potential propagation in HNPP, thereby alleviating sensory deficits, motor deficits, and fatigue in HNPP. This hypothesis is supported by research in an HNPP animal model with PMP 22 heterozygous deletion. Moving on to other markets and research opportunities, we previously reported that we reached agreement with the Japanese PMDA on a regulatory pathway to seek approval of Firdapse in Japan, initially for the treatment of LEMS. Additionally, in April, Catalyst was granted orphan drug designation for the treatment of LEMS. Firdapse would be a new chemical entity for that market and as such would be granted 10 of market exclusivity.

As a reminder, the Japanese market is about 40% of the size of The US market with about twelve hundred to thirteen hundred LEMS patients. There are also no therapies in the Japanese market for MuSK MG and HNPP. Finally, we are hoping to complete an agreement with a development partner in Japan to carry this project to completion and to commercially market the product in Japan. Regarding our Firdapse long acting product that is under development, we have developed the first group of candidate long acting formulas that have also completed pharmacokinetic or PK study for these candidate formulations. These PK results will inform on the design of future formulations with the ultimate goal of providing patients with an effective medication that they only need to take once in the morning and once in the evening.

We have also interviewed numerous physicians and LEMS patients to obtain their input into the design of an optimal product that they feel would be superior to the current Firdapse product offering. That input is the basis for our design goals for the new Firdapse LA product. Catalyst has also made significant progress on developing an intellectual property estate to protect the Firdapse franchise. Last October, we reported the issuance of US patent number 10793893, methods of administering three four diamineopyridine, expiring 04/07/2034. Catalyst has also begun to protect the Firdapse franchise and has filed suit in federal court against Jacobus Pharmaceuticals and PantherRx for induced infringement of our issued patent.

A number of the documents related to this case are publicly available for anyone interested in learning more about this case. In addition, Catalyst has four other pending patents related to the use of Firdapse that were recently published. All four of these patents are being prosecuted under track one status at the US Patent and Trademark Office, and we remain hopeful that most, if not all of them, will issue in 2021. Assuming issuance of these patents, Catalyst also anticipates taking appropriate legal action to protect this new patented intellectual property if needed. I will now turn the call over to Ali Grande, our Chief Financial Officer, to review our financial results.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Steve. Yesterday, we filed our 2021 Form 10 Q with the SEC and reported our first quarter financial results in a press release. At a high level, our financial results for the first quarter are in line with our internal expectations. Let me highlight a few of those results now. As reported, we ended the quarter with cash and investments of $143,300,000 and no funded debt,

Speaker 5

which

Speaker 1

we believe will enable us to advance our R and D programs and support our strategic initiatives of acquiring earlier stage opportunities and innovative technologies to enable growth and value creation. Net revenues for the first quarter of twenty twenty one was 30,200,000 compared to $29,100,000 for Q1 twenty twenty. As expected, our first quarter sales continued to be impacted by COVID-nineteen pandemic. In addition, in the first quarter of the calendar year, like many companies in our industry, we are impacted by the reset of the patient deductibles including the doughnut hole effect. Despite these challenges, our revenues were almost 4% higher in the first quarter of twenty twenty one as compared to the first quarter of twenty twenty.

As Pavin just mentioned, we are optimistic about our revenue growth in 2021 as the impact of the COVID-nineteen pandemic subsides. We reported GAAP net income of $7,700,000 for Q1 twenty twenty one or CAD0.07 per basic and diluted share compared to GAAP net income of CAD10.4 million or CAD0.10 per basic and diluted share for Q1 twenty twenty. Before I continue, let me take a moment to provide more color on our first quarter tax rate. Our effective tax rate in the first quarter of twenty twenty one was 23.5% as compared to 5.4% in the first quarter of twenty twenty. At the same time, we benefited in Q1 twenty twenty from the use of our deferred tax asset, which is a non cash item.

While we expect to use the balance of our federal net operating losses in 2021, we expect that we will continue to benefit in future periods from the use of our deferred tax assets relating to state net operating losses and the offshore direct credit, although those are subject to certain limitations resulting in a more normalized tax rate once we burn off our net operating losses. In the first quarter of twenty twenty one, we recorded a $2,000,000 charge relating to our commitments to make charitable donations to five zero one(three) foundations that support LEMS patient programs. While such contributions were required to be expensed in the first quarter of twenty twenty one, when we committed to the contributions, they will support LEMS patient programs for the 2021 fiscal year. Non GAAP net income for Q1 twenty twenty one was $11,600,000 or $0.11 per basic and diluted share, which excludes from GAAP net income, stock based compensation expense of 1,600,000 depreciation of $100,000 and the provision for income taxes of $2,200,000 This compares to non GAAP net income for Q1 twenty twenty of $12,600,000 or $0.12 per basic and diluted share, which excludes from GAAP net income, stock based compensation of $1,500,000 depreciation of $14,000 and the provision for income taxes of $600,000 Because of the significant effect of the use of our deferred tax assets in the first quarter of twenty twenty one compared to the first quarter of twenty twenty, we believe that this non GAAP measure is useful for an overall understanding of our results of operations for the first quarter of twenty twenty one compared to the first quarter twenty twenty.

Cost of sales of 4,700,000.0 for Q1 twenty twenty one were slightly up compared to $4,200,000 for Q1 twenty twenty at 1514% of revenues respectively. As a reminder, our cost of product continues to benefit from inventory expenses from inventory expense prior to FDA approval of Firdapse to a lesser degree than in prior quarters. Research and development expenses were $3,000,000 for Q1 twenty twenty one down from $4,200,000 for Q1 twenty twenty. 29% decrease in research and development expenses year over year is primarily due to increases in clinical trial expenses as we completed our MuSK MG clinical trial and SMA proof of concept study during 2020. We expect that research and development expenses will continue to be substantial in 2021 and beyond as we conduct our proof of concept study for hNTP, continue our expanded access programs, take steps to continue the development of a long acting formulation program for Firdapse continue our regulatory path to seek approval for Firdapse for the treatment of the LEMS in Japan and evaluate Firdapse as a treatment for other neuromuscular diseases.

In addition, we expect R and D will also increase in future periods if we successfully execute on our strategic initiatives to acquire or in license innovative technology and or earlier stage opportunities in other therapeutic categories outside of neuromuscular diseases. SG and A expenses for Q1 twenty twenty one totaled $12,700,000 compared to $10,100,000 in Q1 twenty twenty. The 26% increase year over year largely attributable to the timing of the reporting by charge for our commitment to make charitable contributions to five zero one(three) foundations supporting LEMS patient programs that I discussed earlier as well as increases in cost for legal expenses associated with our ongoing litigation and the cost of additional personnel to support our expanding operations. We expect that SG and A expenses will continue to be substantial in 2021 as we continue our efforts to increase revenues from Firdapse sales and take steps to further expand our business. More detailed information and analysis may be found in the company's quarterly report on Form 10 Q, which was filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission yesterday, May 10, and can be found on the Investor Relations page of our website at www.catalystpharma.com.

And with that, I'll turn the call over to Pat.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Sally. I'd like to close out our prepared remarks by emphasizing the effort and performance of all of our employees as a team during these challenging times to continue their diligent efforts to assist all LEMS patients, their caregivers, and their healthcare providers. I'll now turn the call over to the operator so that we may take your questions.

Speaker 0

Thank Our first question is coming from Charles Duncan of Cantor Fitzgerald. Congratulations

Speaker 6

on a good quarter and progress. I had a couple of questions for you, in particular for Jeff, perhaps, like all the color on how the quarter is going or how the quarter went. Can you just confirm that you saw quarterly growth in terms of new patient adds of roughly 15% Q4 to Q1? Is that the case? And perhaps provide a little bit more color on, if you will, the breadth and depth of prescribers.

So are you broadening prescriber base? Or are you deepening within a

Speaker 3

Thanks, Charles, for the question. And yes, I will confirm there was a 15% growth in new patient enrollments seen or experienced in Q1 versus Q4 of last year. So that I do confirm that. The second part is when we take a look at who our new enrollers are and the new physicians, the significant or the vast majority, I'd say about 85 to 90% of our new enrollments are coming from physicians that are first time prescribers. So and that goes to show that's why we target such a broad base of neurologists and neuromuscular specialists with both REMS as well as our three ways REMS, our field force, inside sales as well as non personal promotion.

So to answer your question, 90% of our new enrollments are coming from new riders.

Speaker 6

Okay. And then I guess as a follow on, when these prescribers get get feedback from their patients, do you have you seen any prescribers say that they have additional prospective patients within their progress or their practice and have any of them followed up with, say, deepening their prescription, you know, practice within their practice, so to other patients, identifying new patients and deepening it?

Speaker 3

Yes. And, you know, remembering that this is an ultra orphan disease and there, you know Yeah. We think there are about three thousand patients out there. But, you know, to answer your question there are physicians out there that are repeat riders and more specifically those that are neuromuscular specialists that may see more patients that have these types of symptoms is LEMS. So there are many repeat writers.

Now from a general neurologist standpoint, there are physicians that have multiple patients because they see a lot of myasthenia gravis patients and they look at their practice from previous years and some of these patients that maybe they had misdiagnosed or thought were seronegative myasthenia gravis patients. That now they're starting to think maybe I should test this patient for VGCC antibodies to see if they are potentially adult LEMS patients. So we are seeing physicians that prescribe it once and then look across their patient base and say maybe this other patient could be a LEMS patient. So we're seeing that both ways, yes.

Speaker 6

Okay, very good. That's helpful. I appreciate that added color. I did want to ask Steve a question about the pipeline. I'm not sure you're going to be able to be all that disclosive Steve but I'm wondering if you could provide any color on call it the elements of difference between the past MuSK MG study and any particular element that you could highlight that may reduce the variability or reduce the potential compounding effect that you saw in MuSK MG as you've proposed to the agency?

Speaker 4

Charles, I can't give any specific details about the new design. Obviously, the FDA may actually ask for changes, so it would be premature to to give you a whole lot of specific details. Generally, I can tell you, as you'll recall from the, earlier part of the presentation that the primary causes of the previous failure to achieve statistical significance was primarily related to a high amount of variability in the disease state. And then the other, observation that we had was patients, generally, showed a significant improvement in their condition upon initiation of therapy. So without giving any specific details about the trial, I can tell you that we actually included design elements in the new trial design that will take advantage of both of those observations.

In the case of noise, you simply collect more data. And in the case of initiation of therapy, you you change the design, to to take advantage of the fact that initiation of therapy seems to show an improvement.

Speaker 6

Okay. Very good. That's helpful. We'll we'll await those details. My last question is perhaps for Pat.

Regarding business development activities. You've conducted some diligence or I think that you stated that you haven't gotten any firm commitments in terms of how to move forward. But are there any particular, call it, drug classes or areas of focus that you can highlight that would, in particular, leverage your existing successful approach to marketing Firdapse because it would seem to me that not only is the drug itself an asset, but your back office and abilities with Firdapse in the LEMS patient population could be leveraged across other orphan disorders?

Speaker 2

Yes. Good question, Charles. Thank you. Obviously, we'd love to leverage our existing sales force with another neuromuscular product. Those are very difficult to find.

And when they are available, they're extremely costly. So we about a year ago, we decided to expand our therapeutic look into general neurology. And at the end of last year, we decided that we would be interested in products in any therapeutic area outside of oncology. Oncology is just too complicated. So we do want to stay in the rare disease space, ideally neuromuscular or neuro, but we are looking at other therapeutic areas.

And we believe with rare disease drugs like Firdapse to treat limbs, we do believe that we can replicate our sales and marketing team and put together a really strong effort in another therapeutic area such as endocrinology or immunology. So I think we're well positioned and I think we're looking at a broad spectrum of therapeutic categories right now. Again, anything outside of oncology.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you for taking my questions. Congrats on the quarter.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Charles.

Speaker 0

Thank you. Our next question is coming from June Lee of Truist. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Good morning. This is Les on for June. Thank you for taking my questions. So just wanted to get back to the revenue line. And you mentioned on the last call you also saw a significant increase in new patient starts.

Perhaps you could quantify what that percentage increase was? You did mention it was 15% in the early stages of this quarter. Essentially, I'm looking for is what impacted the sequential decline, although it was slight to 2% or so from 4Q? If you could just provide a little bit more color on that. Thank you.

And I have a follow-up.

Speaker 2

Yes. We're not going to be that specific. I can tell you the new patient enrollments from Q3, Q4 of last year and Q1 of this year sequentially have been increased. And we continue to see increases and we believe that the same should hold true for the rest of the year. But we're not prepared to be that specific as to percentages or number of the new enrollments.

Speaker 5

Okay. And if we go to the litigation side, I believe March, we received some news from the federal court in Canada regarding the dismissal of the application against Ruzurgi. Can you comment on that? And then there appears that there was no appeal made. I just wanted to know what that means for your decision when for your partnership with Key and your expected commercialization efforts in Canada.

Speaker 2

Yes, it's a good question. And I'll turn that over to Brian Ellsberg, our Chief Legal and Compliance Officer.

Speaker 7

Yes. Thanks for the question, but I'm not exactly sure where it's coming from. We have not received any such notification of a loss of our ongoing action. We're actually awaiting a decision from the Federal Court of Canada. We've actually been in contact with our lawyers in the last couple of days.

There's been no decision yet from the hearing that was held back in December.

Speaker 5

Okay. Well, then I guess I'm mistaken. But perhaps can you just kind of update us on any news that we can potentially see in the near term and any sort of time lines that you would expect?

Speaker 2

With regard to our lawsuit against Health Canada?

Speaker 3

Yes.

Speaker 2

Brian, you want to opine on that?

Speaker 7

We're expecting a decision any day now, literally any day now. So I'll be honest, I check the docket in Canada on a daily basis to see if there's a decision. So when we hear something, I'm sure it will be public and you'll hear the answer.

Speaker 5

Excellent. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Last one for me and I'll jump back in a few.

Just regarding the share repurchases, I guess it's a great choice given where the stock is. But can you just kind of perhaps remind us what the expiration date is on the $40,000,000 repurchase program? And have you established any kind of accelerated buybacks where that trigger a certain price in the stock?

Speaker 2

Yes. We haven't put any timelines on the $40,000,000 purchase. I think that we were thinking internally in our discussions at the Board level would that would be that would likely be a one year program. So again, we want to be strategic and thoughtful about these purchases and we want to do it on a rational basis. So there really is no accelerating program.

It's just from time to time dipping into the market when we think it's appropriate to repurchase additional shares.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you for the clarity. Thank you.

Speaker 0

Thank you. At this time, I would like to turn the floor back over to management for any additional or closing comments.

Speaker 2

Thank you for joining us today, and I look forward to future calls. Have a great day. Thank you.

Speaker 0

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines or log off the webcast at this time, and have a wonderful rest of your day.