Ceragon Networks - Q1 2024
May 7, 2024
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Operator (participant)
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Ceragon Networks Conference Call. Our presentation today will be followed by a question and answer session. If you wish to ask a question, you'll need to raise your hand using your mobile or desktop application, or press star nine on your telephone keypad and wait for your name to be announced. I must advise you that this call is being recorded. I'd now like to hand it over to Rob Fink, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
Rob Fink (Head of Investor Relations)
Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Hosting today's call is Doron Arazi, Ceragon's Chief Executive Officer, and Ronen Stein, Chief Financial Officer. Before we start, I'd like to note that certain statements made on this call, including projected financial information, results, and the company's future initiatives, future events, business outlook, development efforts, and their potential outcome, anticipated progress and plans, results and timelines, and other financial accounting related matters, constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended, and the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Ceragon intends forward-looking statements terminology such as believes, expects, may, will, should, anticipates, plans, or similar expressions to identify forward-looking statements. Such statements reflect only current beliefs, expectations, and assumptions of Ceragon's management.
Actual results, performance, or achievement of Ceragon may differ materially as they are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, which could cause Ceragon's actual results to differ materially from those projected in such forward-looking statements. Such risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, the risks and uncertainties that are described in Ceragon's most recent annual report on Form 20-F, and may be supplemented from time to time in Ceragon's other filings with the SEC, including today's earlier filing. The earnings PR, all of which are expressly incorporated herein by reference. Forward-looking statements relate to the date initially made, do not purport to be predictions of future events or results, and there can be no assurances that they will prove to be accurate, and Ceragon undertakes no obligation to update them.
Ceragon's public filings are available on the Securities and Exchange Commission's website at sec.gov and may also be obtained from Ceragon's website at ceragon.com. Also, today's call will include certain non-GAAP numbers. For reconciliation between GAAP and non-GAAP results, please see the tables attached to the press release that was issued earlier today, which is posted on the Investor Relations section of Ceragon's website. With all that said, I would now like to turn the call over to Doron. Doron, please go ahead.
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Thank you, Rob, and good morning, everyone. This was a solid start to 2024 for Ceragon. We're executing against our strategic plan and are on pace to achieve our full year growth and profitability targets. Demand for our solutions is strong and growing in North America and India in particular, and we are expanding our presence with private network customers globally. We grew revenue year-over-year, expanded our gross profit margins, and delivered another profitable quarter with positive free cash flow. The quarter was highlighted by particularly strong booking level. The large-scale network modernization project for a Tier 1 operator in India was a major contributor to the higher bookings as we received significant initial orders against the agreement. We continued to generate strong bookings in North America as well, and we generated improved bookings in all other regions sequentially.
The strong bookings give us visibility and optimism that we will achieve our full-year growth and profitability targets. Our new products and solutions are serving as a catalyst for our business. As expected, our new offerings are creating higher customer interest and are starting to translate the bookings and revenue. We used Mobile World Congress as a venue to showcase our next-generation solutions. We also started delivering significant quantities of one of our new products in the first quarter. Some of the new solutions in our portfolio that are worth highlighting include, first, our MultiHaul or fixed wireless access family of point-to-multipoint solutions that operate in the V-Band frequency, opening doors to diverse applications through its use of unlicensed spectrum, along with its high capacity and short-range characteristics.
These quantities are ideal for both private networks and service providers aiming to establish swift connections in confined, dense areas such as cities and campuses. Next, the IP-50CX, the most compact universal microwave radio in the industry. This all outdoor radio, with its unparalleled versatility, has the capability to form the entire network, from small cells to large-scale aggregation sites, significantly simplifying network architecture, reducing costs, and accelerating time to revenue. Finally, there is the IP-50EX, an ultra-compact, high-capacity E-Band radio, which is ideally suited for a variety of use cases, especially when small size and low OPEX are priorities. As I'm sure you know, MWC is the largest, most influential connectivity event in our industry.
Our goals at MWC were to demonstrate our technology, communicate our millimeter wave solution, which is the industry's broadest, and also demonstrate our recent advances in microwave and millimeter wave transport, and fixed wireless access. We achieved each of these goals. We had a record number of face-to-face meetings with customers and prospects, received great affirmations of our upcoming next-gen technology, and received strong indications that we are well aligned with market needs. We provided an industry-first live demonstration of the capabilities of our soon-to-be 100 Gbps E-Band link that is based on our new system-on-a-chip with great feedback. We also showcased end-to-end private networks offering, with a unique display of our broadband luminaires that integrate gigabit speed wireless connectivity into lighting infrastructure to enable smart city connectivity.
Visitors to our booth learned about our professional and managed services offering, and saw a demonstration of our Ceragon Digital Twin solution and how it optimizes networks for reduced costs and improved user experiences. As it relates to private networks, we made particular strides in the energy sector during the quarter. We signed new deals serving the energy industry across multiple regions, with an aggregate deal value of nearly $10 million. These energy sector agreements underscore the pivotal role we play in advancing digital or digital transformation within the energy industry, facilitating the goal of network operators to achieve high capacity at reduced costs. In the second half of 2023, we expanded our talent center approach to better position Ceragon for profitable growth.
In addition to our existing and very successful talent centers in Israel and Romania, we have now opened two new talent centers, one in Bangalore, India, and one in Asunción, Paraguay. The primary goal of these talent centers is to improve our access to the talent market, as well as to support our long-term targets of growth and expanded operating margins. I'd now like to provide an overview of our Q1 highlights by region, noting that on today's call, we will focus primarily on activities in North America and India, the two regions that have, and we expect will continue to have, the greatest impact on our results in the near term. In North America, revenue was $28.9 million. We continue to maintain our presence with large carriers and other major customers. Specifically, we saw significant demand from large ISPs for Siklu's millimeter wave solutions.
The headwinds service providers face have been well documented, and CapEx spending by large networks has been more volatile. We continue to navigate these challenges better than many in the space, though it has reduced our line of sight to converting bookings to revenue and elongated our sales cycles somewhat. In private networks, we've made important first steps in a few new accounts, receiving initial orders, and we expect the number of new customers to increase in Q2. Also, our expanded marketing initiatives in North America are just now accelerating, and we hope to start seeing the fruits of these investments later this year. In India, revenue was $26 million, with record bookings again, related to large agreement we discussed last quarter, as well as high value of orders received from one of our long-standing customers.
We continue to expect delivery and deployment of new customer orders to begin in the second quarter, and deployment is expected to take approximately two years, with about 75% of the project value expected to be recognized during this timeframe. Clearly, we continue to be successful in India and North America, and this is facilitating our growth and profitability. With that, I'll turn the call over to Ronen Stein, our CFO, to discuss the results in more details. Ronen, over to you.
Ronen Stein (CFO)
Thank you, Doron, and good morning, everyone. As Doron outlined, the first quarter represented a solid start to the year for Ceragon. To help you understand the results, I will be referring primarily to non-GAAP financials. For more information regarding our use of non-GAAP financial measures, including reconciliations of these measures, we refer to today's press release. Let me now review the actual results. Revenues were $88.5 million, up 6% from $83.4 million in Q1 2023. Our strongest regions in terms of revenues for the quarter were North America and India, with $28.9 million and $26 million, respectively, in line with the continuous strong demand we see in these regions. Our third strongest region in terms of revenues was EMEA, with $14.9 million.
We had two customers in the first quarter that contributed more than 10% of our revenues. Gross profit for the first quarter on a non-GAAP basis was $32.5 million, an increase of 14.7% compared to $28.4 million in Q1 2023. Our non-GAAP gross margin was 36.7%, compared with gross margin of 34% in Q1 2023. We continue to achieve high gross margins, mainly as North America becomes the strongest region in terms of revenue, with record quarterly revenues and product mix continue to be favorable, while we keep costs under control. Our gross margins may continue to fluctuate from quarter to quarter due to changes in product and regional mix. As for the operating expenses, in general, this quarter's operating expenses fully include the Siklu acquisition impact.
Research and development expenses for the first quarter on a non-GAAP basis were $8.7 million, up from $7.7 million in Q1 2023. As a percentage of revenue, our R&D expenses were 9.8% in the first quarter, compared to 9.2% in the first quarter last year. Sales and marketing expenses for the first quarter on a non-GAAP basis were $10.7 million, up from $9.8 million in Q1 2023. As a percentage of revenue, sales and marketing expenses were 12.1% in the first quarter, compared to 11.8% in the first quarter last year. General and administrative expenses for the first quarter on a non-GAAP basis were $5.5 million, compared to $5 million in Q1 2023.
As a percentage of revenues, G&A expenses were 6.3% in the first quarter, compared to 5.9% in the first quarter last year. I'd note that our GAAP operating expenses include restructuring expenses associated with organizational changes, the establishment of the two new centers of excellence Doron mentioned earlier, as well as integration costs related to Siklu. These charges are backed out of our non-GAAP operating expenses. Operating income for the first quarter on a non-GAAP basis was $7.6 million, compared with $5.9 million for Q1 2023. As a percentage of revenues, non-GAAP operating income was 8.6% in the first quarter, compared to 7.1% in the first quarter last year. Financial and other expenses for the first quarter on a non-GAAP basis were $2.3 million.
Our tax expenses for the first quarter on a non-GAAP basis were $0.5 million. Net income for the first quarter on a non-GAAP basis was $4.7 million, or $0.05 per diluted share, compared to $3.6 million or $0.04 per diluted share for Q1 2023. As for our balance sheet, our cash position at the end of the first quarter was $28.8 million, compared to $28.2 million at the end of 2023. Short-term loans were $30.5 million, compared to $32.6 million as of December 31st, 2023. We believe we have cash and facilities that are sufficient for our operations and working capital needs.
Our inventory at the end of Q1 2024 was $61 million, down from the $68.8 million at the end of December 2023. The reduction is mainly as our efforts during 2023 to streamline inventory levels following the improvement in components availability have materialized. We continue to monitor inventory levels, taking into consideration the improvements in availability of components and expected changes in demand. Our trade receivables are at $97.4 million, as compared to $104.3 million at the end of December 2023. Our de-
... DSO now stands at 101 days. As for our cash flow, net cash flow generated by operations investing activities in Q1 was $2.4 million. We are reiterating our full year outlook. For 2024, we expect revenue of $385 million-$405 million, representing growth of 11%-17% compared to 2023. This guidance includes the contribution from Siklu. Non-GAAP operating margins are targeted to be at least 10% at the midpoint of the revenue guidance. Non-GAAP operating margins are targeted to be at least 10% at the midpoint of the revenue guidance. As a result, we expect increased non-GAAP profit and positive free cash flow for the full year of 2024. With that, I now open the call for your questions. Operator?
Operator (participant)
Thank you. In order to ask a question, please raise your hand using your mobile or desktop application and wait for your name to be announced. I repeat, in order to ask a question, please raise your hand using your mobile and desktop application and wait for your name to be announced. Our first question will be from Alex Henderson from Needham & Company. Alex, please go ahead.
Alex Henderson (Managing Director of Security, Data Networking, and Optical Research)
Thanks. I hope you can hear me okay.
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Yes, Alex, good morning.
Alex Henderson (Managing Director of Security, Data Networking, and Optical Research)
Good morning.
Ronen Stein (CFO)
Good morning.
Alex Henderson (Managing Director of Security, Data Networking, and Optical Research)
So, just a couple of questions, very quickly on the commentary. The 100 gig system on a chip product that's still on schedule to be GA this year, is that correct?
Doron Arazi (CEO)
We intend to launch this product by the end of 2024, indeed.
Alex Henderson (Managing Director of Security, Data Networking, and Optical Research)
Okay, perfect. And then the second, you made a comment about the new products launched recently launched that one of them was seeing significant orders. Can you give us some more granularity around what... Which one of the products it was, and what, what kind of orders are you seeing, and what are the ramp of those two products that were, you know, such important products that were launched here in the current quarter? What's the ramp look like?
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Yeah. So, regarding the first one that we already started delivering significant quantities, it's our new all outdoor, probably the tiniest one in the industry, microwave product, and it gets a lot of traction, primarily in India. It basically replaces our old IP-20C, that is kind of in relative advanced stages. And definitely we see a lot of traction. And obviously, the first links were launched with the frequencies that are associated with the Indian market because of the huge demand. But we do expect to basically have this product with much more frequencies in the coming quarters, and we believe it will also ramp up very nicely in the rest of the world.
As to the other product, we are talking about a smaller and more cost-efficient E-Band that is suitable very nicely to Tier 1 operators, but also to smaller ISPs. This one was already... We already started production and delivery, but the quantities were very minimal, and we expect this product to start contributing to our business in this quarter and definitely more significance in the second part of 2024.
Alex Henderson (Managing Director of Security, Data Networking, and Optical Research)
Can you talk a little bit about the linearity that you expect over the course of the year and, you know, give us some sense of, I'm assuming that the June quarter is sub-$100 million, but up nicely from the seasonally softest quarter of the year, the March quarter. Can you talk a little bit about linearity over the quarter, over the year?
Doron Arazi (CEO)
So look, one major factor that will impact the linearity is obviously the fact that in Q2, we are starting to deliver, our products and obviously, also starting the installation of the big, contract we won, with the new customer in India. And that by itself should put us in a, in a level of revenue that is, is higher. Generally speaking, following a Q1 booking, basically the backlog, we have enabled us, to get to $100 million. The, the main, so to speak, two factors that will, define whether, we will be able to kind of, create a more rationalized quarter-over-quarter revenues are basically two. One, the customer demand and the pace they want us to deliver these orders....
and second, our ability and capacity to manufacture the products in a timely fashion. Now, in terms of manufacturing capacity, we have no issue, but yet as a very cautious company, until we receive the large orders or the initial large orders from India, we are very careful in terms of component buying, and that may cause certain delays that I think that within less than a quarter we'll be able to overcome.
So to summarize, in Q2, we do expect a ramp in the business or in the revenue generation, but I think that during the second half of the year, if assuming customers continue with the same, so to speak, expectations of delivery timeline, we will probably be achieving beyond $100 million a quarter, in this second part.
Alex Henderson (Managing Director of Security, Data Networking, and Optical Research)
The gross margin numbers, 36.7% in the quarter, I'm assuming that you're not going to be doing that again here in the June quarter or even in the back half with the mix shifting towards India, which generally a lower margin. Is it reasonable to think that that's more on the, you know, 35.5%-ish range for the next couple of quarters as that kicks in, and you have startup costs with your new products?
Ronen Stein (CFO)
Yes. Hi, Alex, it's Ronen. As I said in the previous call, I think that we will be around between 35%-37%. On average, we target to reach the 36%. So yes, something in between the 35.5% and 36% as an average is reasonable. It might go down to around 35%, but it might go up also to 37%, depending on the specific quarter, the specific mixture by regions and, and, and the specific product mixture or services mixture, whether we give more software or not. Very much dependent on how the very good backlog that we have is being converted, depending on the specific needs in each quarter of the customers.
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Just, just to add on top of it, I think in the last, in the previous call, we said that we are planning for further improvement in our gross margin on an annual basis. Last year, we ended up with a gross margin that is, slightly shy of 35% non-GAAP. And as we said in the previous conference call, we are shooting, and we believe that with the right, so to speak, mix, no big changes in what we expect. We, we are nearing, we will be nearing the 36%, and that's, our, minimum goal for this year.
Alex Henderson (Managing Director of Security, Data Networking, and Optical Research)
One last question, then I'll cede the floor and get back in queue. Can you remind us where we are on the book-to-bill in the, as we exited 2023 and what, what the book-to-bill looked like in the first quarter?
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Yeah. Look, look, first of all, we did not specifically refer to that in the last two quarters because I think that on a quarterly basis, it may mislead. Last quarter and for the full year of 2023, we were with book-to-bill above one. And also after this quarter, and I think that my prepared comments were alluding to that very strongly. We had a huge book-to-bill that is hugely above 1, and I don't want to kind of create a situation where people are maybe misled by this. Because obviously, getting this amount of orders from India in advance in order to prepare us to the very big volumes of delivery is not necessarily indicating what we expect to happen each and every quarter.
So all in all, very strong end of 2023. Very strong beginning of Q1 2024. I think that the way to look at the bookings is more on a trailing 12-month month approach, and definitely on a trailing twelve-month period, we are way above one in terms of book-to-bill.
Alex Henderson (Managing Director of Security, Data Networking, and Optical Research)
That's very helpful. Thank you so much. I'll let anybody else get into the queue here.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question is from Rommel Dionisio of Aegis Capital. Rommel, please go ahead. Rommel?
Ronen Stein (CFO)
Rommel, hi, we cannot hear you.
Rommel Dionisio (Head of Research)
Doron, can you hear me okay?
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Yes, I can hear you.
Rommel Dionisio (Head of Research)
Oh, great.
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Hi, Rommel.
Rommel Dionisio (Head of Research)
Yeah, sorry about that. I had on mute. Thank you. So, you know, you've obviously made significant progress on the private network. So I wonder if you could just give us a little more color on that. Obviously, some significant events here over the last several months and the business prospects both in North America and Europe for that. Thank you.
Doron Arazi (CEO)
... So I will start with what I was saying in the previous conference call. We ended up last year with $40 million of booking in the private networks, and we aspire to double this amount in 2024. This plan has not changed, and we definitely see a path for getting to this level of booking. I think this quarter was characterized by a lot of good results of hard work, especially in the energy segment, where we received nearly $10 million value of orders from this segment.
I think that with our unique solution, plus the fact that we have a good brand of some sort of a system integrator concept in this particular segment, we are seeing the fruits of focusing on this segment that is going through a huge transformation, digital transformation, across all segment, so that's definitely encouraging.
On top of that, we look at the funnel, and our funnel is increasing very, very nicely, and that means that we have very strong signals that we are getting traction with our solutions. Our marketing efforts that we started in a much higher pace towards the end of last year, but also increased it as part of our budget in Q1, are also showing very strong signs of traction. And therefore, I'm quite optimistic about our ability to achieve this doubling the number of booking in this year and maybe even exceeding it.
Rommel Dionisio (Head of Research)
Great, thanks very much for the color.
Operator (participant)
Okay, once again, in order to ask a question, please raise your hand using your mobile or desktop application and wait for your name to be announced. Our next question is from Gunther Karger. Please go ahead, Gunther.
Ronen Stein (CFO)
Hi, Gunther.
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Hi, Gunther.
Operator (participant)
Gunther, please unmute. Okay, so maybe we'll move along for now to Alex Henderson. Alex, go ahead.
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Alex, we cannot hear you. Can you check your, your side of the connection?
Gunther Karger (Hedge Fund Manager)
Unmute.
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Yeah.
Gunther Karger (Hedge Fund Manager)
Can you hear me now?
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Yes.
Operator (participant)
That's Gunther.
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Yes, Gunther-
Gunther Karger (Hedge Fund Manager)
Oh, great. Thank you.
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Go ahead.
Gunther Karger (Hedge Fund Manager)
Sorry. Regarding the medical industry, a specific market, there's been a rise in interest in the artificial intelligence, the diagnostic areas, and such things. With regard to the short-range millimeter range systems and diagnostic data transmissions, has there been any notice of market interest in that area?
Doron Arazi (CEO)
So, I would say the following: first of all, what we are seeing following the acquisition of Siklu, that, by the way, is actually heading or moving forward as planned and even slightly better. There's a lot of traction for short millimeter wave transport solutions and fixed wireless access, especially in dense areas, and that's obviously definitely encouraging, because this was the purpose of the acquisition. So in this respect, we see a lot of traction, and we believe that we can increase our business in this domain definitely leveraging our position following the acquisition of Siklu. In terms of AI, I know that the people are asking questions. Some of these questions are coming via email.
Guys, we have already AI embedded in our software, and we have different use cases where AI can be used for optimization of either the network or the wireless transport piece, and with our Digital Twin, we can even expand it beyond just the transport itself. So we are already using these kind of tools, and it's our intention to continue leverage these kind of capabilities into our software solutions and our products.
Gunther Karger (Hedge Fund Manager)
Thank you, and good, good luck on that. It's a big, growing market.
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Okay. Our next question is from Alex, Alex Henderson from Needham & Company. Go ahead.
Alex Henderson (Managing Director of Security, Data Networking, and Optical Research)
I think, I think I'm unmuted, right?
Operator (participant)
Yes.
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Yes, now you're good.
Alex Henderson (Managing Director of Security, Data Networking, and Optical Research)
... Yeah. No, it did, it didn't pop up to unmute in a timely fashion earlier. So, I get it that you've had some very large orders here. I get it that the timing of that heavily skewed to the first quarter sets you up for a very strong, you know, deployments over not just to the back half of this year and, but also into 2025. But I was wondering, you know, given that, those orders, is your pipeline of additional deals still healthy? And, you know, or, is there enough, you know, heft in that to continue to build, you know, more order flow over the course of the remainder of the year? What does the pipeline look like?
Doron Arazi (CEO)
So the pipeline looks quite healthy. And we also actually made that comment in my prepared comment. We're also encouraged by the progress we made in other regions. You know, it was kind of the first quarter in this year, and probably for a few quarters, where all other regions, without any exception, had a sequential growth in the booking versus the obviously previous quarter. So that's also a good sign for us. We see a healthy pipeline in most of the regions. We see a nice pipeline, as I said, in the private networks and increasing, and this give us the confidence, the level of confidence that we need to feel comfortable in the path and in the targets we set to ourself for 2024.
Alex Henderson (Managing Director of Security, Data Networking, and Optical Research)
Okay, and just going back to the inventory, I think your inventory is still a little higher than normal. How do you see that feathering down over the year, and is that going to be tied to the shipments into India, or is that, you know, just, you know, normal course of business? How do we think about it?
Ronen Stein (CFO)
So, Alex, first of all, thank you for the question, because, yes, indeed, the inventory reduced substantially this quarter. We reduced inventories from $69 million to $61 million. So it's a positive sign because it's for quite a few quarters. I think that the last time we were in this level was around 2022, and we made a lot of progress in 2023 to come to this stage where inventory is come down. And we believe that there is more room to decrease the inventory. I'm not sure about quarter-to-quarter levels, but over the year, to continue to decrease, and we have a plan to continue to decrease the inventories by at least a few couples of millions.
This is associated, of course, with the fact that we built up inventories for the new products that are now being materialized and that we are now going to start to sell over this year. Then we can streamline the new products as well as coming back from the post-COVID-19 building of inventories due to the challenges that we had of sourcing of components at these years.
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Alex, just to add on top of of Ronen's comment, the only issue of managing our inventory that is obviously a big item on our balance sheet has stepped up dramatically since we started seeing the component market rationalizing. There's a lot, a lot of activities of, on the one hand, building our plans to more of a just-in-time delivery of components, and obviously looking at some excess and working on this excess inventory very fast in the process, and not waiting too long. All of that is creating a much more meticulous handling of our inventory. So I, I truly believe that we will be able to continue in this trend.
There's only two factors that you need to take into account. One is that we need also to look at the inventory as a percentage of our volume of business. So if we are ramping up and we'll go to the $400 million revenue, and maybe even exceed it, we might see the inventory rationalizing as a percentage of revenue. Definitely, if the part of the revenue that is associated with our hardware product is the one that is growing significantly. And the other thing is that sometimes I'm making decisions on a quarterly basis to get equipped with some level of inventory in advance, expecting some capacity or overcoming some capacity issues that may come because of deliveries that are specific for a specific order. So these are the two caveats.
The bottom line is, yes, we do expect to continue rationalizing our inventory, and we do expect to see further, better results down the road.
Alex Henderson (Managing Director of Security, Data Networking, and Optical Research)
Yeah, in that context, obviously you've got a very large order ramping for India, and then second, you've got two new products that are ramping now, and then another one that's slated to launch late in the year. Should we be looking at some startup costs associated with those, or is that embedded-
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... in, you know, in your thinking at this point? And what-
Doron Arazi (CEO)
It's-
Alex Henderson (Managing Director of Security, Data Networking, and Optical Research)
What size of a cost is that, that will eventually fall out as those products hit the normalized production levels?
Doron Arazi (CEO)
These costs are already embedded in our projections. We took them into account. Usually, we try to rationalize these costs and to make these costs happen gradually, so they don't have a big impact on a specific quarter. If that happens, obviously, we're going to disclose this kind of situation, but we don't expect that. Eventually, when we are talking about our gross margins for the rest of the year, we have taken into account the fact that we launched the two new products. I don't think that the new 100 Gb E-Band will have an impact on this year.
As for the other products, it's taken into account, and I do expect our gross margins from these products to improve almost by the quarter, as we are able to to improve our performance in terms of manufacturing and BOM cost.
Alex Henderson (Managing Director of Security, Data Networking, and Optical Research)
Yeah. What I was trying to calibrate was the, to what extent that abnormally large amount of start-up costs in 2024 would then fall out in 2025, as the, you know, as these products are normalized and, you know, whether that would then imply some further upside in the gross margin in the out year. I know you don't want to give guidance for 2025, but conceptually, is that a logical conclusion?
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Look, the start-up cost that you would see are actually categorized into two. One, is our investment in CapEx to build the testing equipment, or to enhance the testing equipment to fit the new products, and that you will see in some investment in CapEx. But generally speaking, I don't think that the investment in CapEx is going to be that different from previous years. And the other set of costs that are actually going to the expenses immediately, I would not give them more than, I don't know, 0.5% of the gross margin.
Alex Henderson (Managing Director of Security, Data Networking, and Optical Research)
Okay. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Okay, our next question is from Jeff Rosenberg, from Rail-Splitter Capital. Jeff, please go ahead and unmute.
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Hi, Jeff.
Operator (participant)
Jeff, please go ahead and unmute. Jeff, we can't hear you.
Jeff Rosenberg (Analyst)
Oh, I think you guys muted me and then unmuted me. Sorry. Can you hear me now?
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Yes, Jeff. Good morning.
Jeff Rosenberg (Analyst)
Okay. Sorry.
Ronen Stein (CFO)
Good morning.
Jeff Rosenberg (Analyst)
Good morning. No, I just wanted to ask if you could tell us what the contribution was from Siklu in the first quarter?
Doron Arazi (CEO)
Look, we do not include, and we don't want to separate, the Siklu contribution for a very simple reason. This is a tiny transaction, and the integration is so fast and so deep, so to speak, that it's almost becoming impossible to separate the numbers. Yet, just in a qualitative fashion, I can tell you that, in the first quarter, the contribution to the gross margin of Siklu was even slightly higher than our expectation. And in terms of the business and the booking, it was also as strong as we were expecting.
I just remind you that our projection for 2024 was that Siklu will contribute from their specific products between $25 million-$29 million in 2024. I think that we are on a path to achieve it, and if all stars align, maybe in the second part of the year, we'll be able even to exceed this number.
Jeff Rosenberg (Analyst)
Great. And yeah, and, and the reason I was asking was just about looking at the year-over-year or even sequential growth, 'cause I think you got some contribution from Siklu in Q4. You know, the growth looked a little slower, but I just... You know, I know it's uneven and seasonality, and so maybe the comparison against last year was difficult. So maybe just to kinda talk about the, just overall, you know, the strength in terms of revenue in the first quarter versus obviously very good bookings and building visibility for the year.
Doron Arazi (CEO)
So, Jeff, if you are willing to sign an NDA and join our finance team next quarter, I would love to have you on board, because you hit the nail on the head. There were a few moving factors that we thought that eventually if we try to explain them, we just get anyone, everyone confused. First of all, usually Q1 is weaker, and last year was a bit different for us to the good side, primarily because of some delays in delivery of some of the products that were supposed to come or to be delivered in Q4 of 2022. So starting to put all these ingredients, moving up and down, and trying to give a more rationalized analysis of the growth, we thought that it will just confuse anyone.
I think that the most important thing, especially after Alex comment about, okay, how a rationalized and aligned the revenue growth between quarters, that was indicating that we may see some fluctuations. So I would not be impressed by the percentage of the Q1 versus Q1 prior in 2023, in terms of projecting how the full year of 2024 is going to look like.
Ronen Stein (CFO)
I would add that the most important thing that we gave guidance for this year, and the guidance was for revenues of between $385 million-$405 million, and we are still, we still expect to reach this guidance. And we, as Doron mentioned in the prepared comments, we have better visibility due to the high volume of bookings. So we are on target at this stage.
Jeff Rosenberg (Analyst)
Great! Well, thanks for that color. Appreciate it.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. There are no further questions, so please proceed.
Doron Arazi (CEO)
So, as I said, this was an encouraging quarter and a solid start to the year for Ceragon. We're executing against our growth strategy and capturing market share. We believe that we are well positioned to achieve self-sustaining cash flows as we execute our growth strategy. I look forward to updating you further on our next quarterly call. Have a good day, everyone.