Cryoport - Q1 2024
May 7, 2024
Transcript
Operator (participant)
Good afternoon and welcome to Cryoport fourth quarter and full year 2023 earnings conference call. All participants will start in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to your host, Todd Fromer, from KCSA Strategic Communications. Please go ahead.
Todd Fromer (President)
Thank you, operator. Before I get started with this, I just want to correct the record. This is the Cryoport first quarter earnings conference call. Before we get started, I would like to remind everyone that this conference call contains certain forward-looking statements. All statements that address our operating performance, events, or developments that we expect or anticipate occurring in the future are forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are based on management's beliefs and assumptions, and not on information currently available to our management team. Our management team believes that these forward-looking statements are reasonable as and when made. However, you should not place undue reliance on any such forward-looking statements because such statements speak only as of the date when made.
We do not undertake any obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information or future results or otherwise, except as required by law. In addition, forward-looking statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results, events, and developments to differ materially from our historical experience and our present expectations or projections. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, those described in Item 1A, Risk Factors, and elsewhere in our annual report on Form 10-K filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and those described from time to time in other reports which we file with the Securities and Exchange Commission. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Jerrell Shelton, Chief Executive Officer of Cryoport. Jerrell, the floor is yours.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Thank you, Todd. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining our first quarter earnings call today. With us this afternoon is our Chief Financial Officer, Robert Stefanovich, our Chief Scientific Officer, Dr. Mark Sawicki, and our Vice President of Corporate Development and Investor Relations, Thomas Heinzen. As a reminder, we have uploaded our first quarter 2024 and review document to our website. It can be found under Investor Relations in the News and Events section. This document provides a review of our financial and operational performance and a general business outlook. If you've not had a chance to read it, I would encourage you to go to our website and download it. I will provide you with a brief update on our business, and then we will take your questions. For the first quarter 2024, we continued to experience a difficult environment globally.
Our quarterly results were disappointing across the board, particularly our life science products. However, as we stated when we initially provided our annual guidance, we anticipate our total revenue will progressively improve throughout the year, and we maintain our full-year revenue guidance of $242 million-$252 million. I am sure some of you are asking what makes us confident. Well, there are several things. For example, despite the near-term challenges, we are still quite positive based on the momentum we're seeing from our cell and gene therapy clients and from the growth of our Biostorage BioServices revenue. If you look at our results, you will see that our first quarter, commercial therapies grew 9%, while Biostorage and BioServices revenue also rose by the same amount. Both these services areas should continue to be growth drivers for Cryoport in 2024 and beyond.
We're also encouraged by new clients slated in the biopharma market and some positive signs recently in the cryogenic systems market. As I indicated, our life science services revenue growth for the first quarter was softer than anticipated, increasing 3% year-over-year. There is, however, a bright spot as the cell and gene therapy market seems to be gaining some momentum again. To date, this year, three new therapies have been approved. Three existing commercial therapies were approved to move to an earlier line of treatment, and two therapies were approved to expand their label or geographic territory. By combining the expected revenue ramps of existing and new commercial therapies, we believe we should see revenue acceleration from our cell and gene therapy clients over the remainder of the year.
Currently, we think an additional 16 global regulatory filings will be completed before year-end. As of March 31st of this year, Cryoport supported a total of 675 global clinical trials, an added increase of 23 clinical trials over the same time last year. As of the quarter-end, 77 of these trials were in phase III, along with 312 of them in phase II. As we have said before, our clinical trial portfolio represents a substantial long-term revenue growth opportunity for Cryoport as more therapies advance through the clinical trials toward commercialization. Our outlook for the rest of the year with commercial therapies looks strong, with potentially five additional new therapy approvals and three additional label or geographic expansions. Turning to our Life Sciences Products. Similar to last quarter, this business revenue was lower than in prior years. This was due to decreased demand for MVE Biological Solutions cryogenic systems.
This, in turn, was attributable to a continued slowdown in capital equipment investment that began last year, although global in nature, as we have reported previously, the most severe pullback in demand continues to be in China. While we expect MVE's cryogenic systems sales to be challenged throughout the remainder of this year as biotech funding, government budgets, and academic budgets are constrained, we expect to see gradual improvement in demand in the ensuing quarters. MVE is a well-managed business, and we want to remind investors that even in this difficult time, it continues to produce free cash flow for our company. MVE is the leading manufacturer of cryogenic systems worldwide, and we're confident in the long-term prospects of our products business. When demand normalizes, and we believe it will, we will benefit from our position as the global leader in this space.
In summary, and to put it plainly, there is simply no other company with the extensive resources Cryoport has in providing a full array of innovative, reliable, end-to-end supply chain solutions to the life sciences. With advanced services, products, and information systems focused on reducing risk and located in 50 locations in 17 countries, Cryoport is well prepared to support the expansion of the life sciences and especially the growing cell and gene therapy market. Based on our clients' forecast and fueled by industry indicators for cell and gene therapies and the life sciences, we continue to build out services, products, and infrastructure to prepare ourselves to provide comprehensive, independent supply chain support for these life-saving treatments. However, considering the current macroeconomic challenges and their impact on our financial results, we are implementing a number of initiatives to drive toward positive Adjusted EBITDA and cash flow in the near term.
These include improved alignment of our global organization, reduction in our workforce, leveraging lower-cost shared services, refining and reprioritizing planned initiatives, and delays in capital spending as a result of reprioritization, all of which should positively impact the second half of 2024. We are mindful of our need to maintain a strong balance sheet to support our future growth, and we ended the quarter with $448 million cash balance, $448.5 million cash balance. This concludes my prepared remarks. Now we're going to be happy to take questions from you. Operator, please open the lines for questions.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now conduct the question-and-answer session. If you have a question, please press star on your telephone keypad. And if you wish to cancel your request, please press star two. Your first question comes from Tejas Savant from Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.
Speaker 12
Good afternoon, guys. This is Edmund on for Tejas. Thank you for the time. First question, could you guys provide some more color on how things played out at MVE? Where do customers stand today in terms of their need to expand their fees or capacity, and what do order books look like heading into the second half?
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
MVE?
Speaker 12
Yeah, MVE.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Okay. So, Tejas, repeat that question again, please. Just one second.
Speaker 12
Sorry, Jerell. This is Edmund. But the question was, could you provide some more color on how things played out at MVE this quarter? Where do customers stand today in terms of their need to expand their fees or capacity, and what do order books look like heading into the second half of 2024?
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Okay. That's a good question. Look, MVE tracks its orders and talks with its distributors and its direct customers on a regular basis. There's simply been some pullback in funding in government and institutions and businesses, and that seems to be breaking. We seem to be in. We do know that in the last half or the second half of this quarter this year, we will have. It looks like we have orders lined up for large pharma and for midsize biorepositories, and we think that there's some government spending that will be in the last half. So we think we'll have a progressive improvement in the MVE in the second half of the year. The pullback in MVE.
Speaker 12
Got it.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
The pullback in MVE would be China, and China continues to be in recession, and we do not expect China to improve for the remainder of this year and probably into the next year. There's been a reduction in biotech funding, and there's been some breeder programs instituted by the government, and all of that's affected our business. However, we do have initiatives to compete within China on a very effective basis. I want to remind you, though, China only accounts for about 5% of our total revenue at this point.
Speaker 12
Got it. That's very helpful. And then a higher-level question. Some of the traditional logistics companies, such as UPS, have recently expressed an interest in expanding into the healthcare vertical. Now, are there any opportunities for a company like Cryoport to work with those providers, or do they represent more of a medium-term competitive threat to the business model?
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Over the recent time, UPS has become more of a competitor or tried to, at least. But we work with the integrators on a regular basis, and we have for 12 years since I took over the company. We've had strategic relationships with them, which we've talked about on a frequent basis. In some cases, we work more closely than in others. UPS has been the most aggressive through their purchase of Marken, but they don't really pose a tremendous threat to us. We still use them as an integrator in many of our services.
They also use our equipment sets on a regular basis in conjunction with programs that they're supporting through their healthcare vertical.
That's an important point. That's MVE equipment.
Speaker 12
Got it. And then one housekeeping question for the model. What percentage of the product revenue is from MVE, and what percent is from legacy Cryoport systems?
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Robert.
Robert Stefanovich (CFO and Treasurer)
It's really, if you look at the product revenue, it's really the vast majority, so in excess of 95% of the revenue, is related to MVE cryogenic systems.
Speaker 12
Got it. Super helpful. Thank you for the time.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Thank you.
Robert Stefanovich (CFO and Treasurer)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Your next question comes from Matt Stanton from Jefferies. Your line is now open.
Matt Stanton (Analyst)
All right. Thanks. Appreciate the color on focus near-term on EBITDA and cash flow. It sounds like you have a number of initiatives in motion around that. Could you just help us quantify what the impact could start to look like to OpEx as we move into the back half of the year, just trying to get a better understanding of what total cost savings or improvements we could start to bake into the P&L here? Thanks.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Yeah. No. Thanks for the question. Look, at the current time, we obviously just provide guidance related to our annual revenue. But with that said, I can provide a little bit of information overall. We have been undertaking continuous actions and review of our initiatives, of our CapEx spending, pushing out some of the CapEx spending that is not driving kind of near-term revenue or is not critical to our near-term initiatives. If you look at the overall operating expense, a couple of things. One, we've been building out our infrastructure over the last couple of years, as you know, and we're looking to see leverage of that infrastructure and capabilities that we built out. We expect to have that substantial completion in 2026. As revenue grows, we're going to see better operating leverage of the overall infrastructure that we set up.
In terms of the specific question and modeling out the second half of the year, I would expect a drop in operating expenses. I can't tell you exactly the percentage. We'll provide some more clarity there, but certainly, we do expect to see an impact in the second half on the operating expenses.
Matt Stanton (Analyst)
Okay. Thanks. That's helpful. And then maybe back over to MVE. You talked about how sales kind of remain challenging there and a gradual improvement through the year. I think prior, you guys had baked in kind of flattish growth in MVE for the year. Just given kind of the slower start, should we still expect MVE to be flattish in 2024, or is it down for the year? And I guess if it is now down in 2024, what other areas are potentially offsetting that to reiterate the guide for the full year?
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
No, Matt. I think you can expect MVE to be flattish for 2024, and so you'll see that improvement in the last half, which will create that. And then I think we'll have some progression in 2025. Look, we ran into a situation where the market pulled back in the second half of 2023 severely, and that probably had to do with some extra capacity buildup from COVID plus the economic situation, which caused people to pull back on budgeting and governments pulling back and so forth. But some of that's freeing up. At some point, you have to have more capacity. So we do think it'll be flattish in 2024 and improving in 2025. And the driver really for the revenue, especially in the second half of the year, is related to our services offering and revenue.
Matt Stanton (Analyst)
Okay. Great. And maybe just one last quick one. The phase III trials dropped to 77. I know you expect some normal kind of fallout in there. Any more color you can provide on just the gross and net numbers for phase III in the quarter? And did it have any impact on 1Q revenue given those programs are generally a bit more meaningful than some of the earlier phase programs? Thank you.
Mark Sawicki (Chief Scientific Officer)
Yeah. We're still seeing a lot of churn as it relates to clinical trial activity. So if you drill into the flat sequential quarter, we actually saw 42 trial terminations, 20 of which were completed and 22 terminated. Those that were terminated, in many cases, were due to cash. Of those, obviously, you saw a drawdown of some of the phase III trials. We also added back 42 programs. Obviously, there's a lag period associated with those as they get up and running, but we did see an impact on a couple of terminations in phase III that did show some obviously, that had an impact on where we thought we were going to see some accretive activity there that was relatively flat. But the good thing is that the new programs that are started were really diversified and will start to contribute in the coming months.
Matt Stanton (Analyst)
Thanks. That's helpful. Appreciate it.
Operator (participant)
Your next question comes from Puneet Souda from Leerink Partners. Your line is now open.
Philip Song (VP of Equity Research)
Hi. This is Philip on for Puneet. Thank you for taking my question. Maybe just a high-level kind of question. Just coming off a softer first quarter, you got an implied ramp in the second half. It's a bit steeper. Could you just maybe give a bit more color on sort of the levers that give you confidence to reiterate your guidance, kind of if you expect MVE to improve sequentially in the second quarter or if that still hasn't bottomed out, or just kind of what are the different levers that'll take us to the low end versus kind of the high end of the guidance? Thank you.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Sure. I'll start the answer, and then Robert and Mark may want to chime in with some other thoughts. But our outlook is based on the trends that we're currently seeing industry-wide as well as what we specifically are seeing from our cell and gene therapy clients. So if you take these factors into consideration, and we're confident as one can be given the current economic and the geopolitical landscape, there are a number of clients with commercial therapies that are forecasting a strong second-half ramp. And we also are seeing a number of new therapies approved recently, and their ramp should contribute to our revenue growth later this year. And then there's the biotech funding increasing dramatically in quarter one, and we should see some impact from that later this year.
We're having new products and services launched throughout the year, which bring in new revenue. So all in all, we believe that each of these each of our businesses will grow in 2024. It's highlighted in the press release. Our service business should lead the way, and I think Robert mentioned that a little bit earlier. So Robert, would you like to add anything?
Robert Stefanovich (CFO and Treasurer)
No. I think you mentioned most of it. We do expect, again, progressive improvement, and you absolutely right, especially in the second half. And if you look at some of the core revenue drivers, commercial revenue, Biostorage, BioServices revenue, and even maybe clarification on commercial revenue, you look at the commercial revenue growing 9% year-over-year. But we also said, "Take a look at the trailing 12 months' revenue because you have some lumpiness there in terms of timing." So you look at 12 months over 12 months. For Q1 over the trailing 12 months last year, it grew about 27%. So if you look at that plus the additional BLA filings, MAA filings, and expected approvals that we see this year, you'll see continuous momentum that will keep driving the services revenue to meet or beat our revenue guidance for the year.
Mark Sawicki (Chief Scientific Officer)
Yeah. Let me just add to that. Obviously, a lot of our commercial folks have come out with earlier line approvals. Obviously, BMS and J&J, Sarepta might have a significant expansion coming out after the end of the second quarter, all of which should contribute to increasing activities that relate to commercial. And then obviously, the recent approvals for Iovance, CRISPR Vertex, Bluebird, ImmunityBio, and Atara are also going to start to contribute in a more meaningful way.
Philip Song (VP of Equity Research)
Got it. That makes sense. Thank you. And then maybe just one follow-up housekeeping question. I guess I know you guys don't have too much exposure to China, but have you thought about kind of how much risk there is with the Biosecure Act and any retaliation to that for your business, any potential disruption there?
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Yeah. We have. We thought quite a bit about it, and we study China quite a bit. Look, China is the second most powerful country in the world and has more trading partners than the United States. An extremely important country, and it's not going away. And we have an investment in China. We have a plant in China, and that plant is staffed by some very capable people. And we have an initiative to compete better in China given President Xi's buying China what's made in China. And so we'll be manufacturing freezers there in the future for that Chinese market. But the Chinese market, there are some risks, but you have to pay attention to the rules of the game and play there. We're not going to go back to the 1930s and 1940s with China.
China is here to stay, and we have to learn how to work with that economy and assess the risk and move forward. We only have about 5% of our revenue exposed right now, but we think the potential there is substantial over time. It's an economic recession right now, but it'll get out of that over some period of time.
Philip Song (VP of Equity Research)
Got it. Thank you so much. I'll hop back into the queue.
Operator (participant)
Your next question comes from Lucas Baranowski from UBS. Your line is now open.
Lucas Baranowski (Associate Analyst)
Hi. This is Lucas on for Dan at UBS. I guess to start things off, there's definitely been an increase in oil prices since the start of the year. Given that increase in costs, are you finding that you're able to pass that on to customers, and should we expect any kind of a margin impact there over the near term? Thanks.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
On extraordinary situations, we do have surcharges where we pass on extra costs. So I don't think you should expect margin impact from the petroleum increase.
Lucas Baranowski (Associate Analyst)
Okay. Thanks. And then just one more here. I guess going back to the China theme, you touched on it a bit, the initiative you have to begin manufacturing locally a little more over there. Are there any updates you can provide on how that's progressing and when that new capacity could come online?
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Well, of course, it's a small initiative given the entirety of our company, and we're not in any hurry to make that investment right at this particular time, although that motion is still active. So you would see probably mid-next year, you'd probably see made-in-China product coming out of the Chinese factory. In addition to doors, it would be freezers as well.
Lucas Baranowski (Associate Analyst)
Okay. Thanks. That's all I had.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Your next question comes from David Larsen from BTIG. Your line is now open.
David Larsen (Managing Director)
Hi. Can you talk a little bit more about these cost reduction efforts? And I know that you've been very reluctant to reduce labor across your firm. That's certainly very admirable. But just any more color there would be helpful. Do you expect to become EBITDA positive by, say, 4Q of 2024, or any sense for the number of positions that might be reduced, or anything like that would be very helpful? Thank you.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
I just want to make a couple of broad comments and then turn to Robert for more specific comments, David. First of all, we're not reluctant to adjust our business in any way given circumstances after we have assessed them. We take great pride in being responsible in the way we manage our business and the assets that belong to the shareholders of this company. So it's our fiduciary responsibility to be responsible, and we take that very seriously. So we're not when business ebbs and flows, and when it's appropriate, we adjust. We adjust just as I said in the opening comments with those initiatives that I mentioned there. Now, to give you a little bit more color on your specifics, I'll turn it to Robert.
Robert Stefanovich (CFO and Treasurer)
Yeah. Look, in general, we certainly are working towards getting back to positive EBITDA. You're absolutely right. This is driven by some of the initiatives that we're taking related to cost reduction, related to picking up on the top-line revenue. These are things that we always do, but to give you maybe a few data points, just if you look at Q1, we had about a little bit over $8 million in cash burned. Of that, a little bit over $4 million was related to CapEx expenditures. So we are moving out some of the CapEx, as I mentioned earlier on the call, just related to initiatives that are not high priority.
Certainly, we're still making the investments in some of the key initiatives such as IntegriCell cryopreservation platform and other key offerings that we've been working on and that have partially already been introduced into the market space. As you would expect with any company, especially with a company that has done a number of acquisitions, we are looking to leverage our current capabilities and current resources. So can we leverage shared services? Absolutely, yes. We can do that. Can we fine-tune the resources that we have and streamline it? Absolutely. And those are things that we have been working on over the last few months that we've already started rolling out and that we expect to have an impact in Q2 towards moving us into positive EBITDA.
We're certainly very focused on maintaining a strong balance sheet, maintaining a strong cash balance, and that all feeds into that equation in terms of how we look at our operational capabilities and investments.
Lucas Baranowski (Associate Analyst)
Okay. That's helpful. And then can you maybe talk a little bit about the revenue that's being generated from Biostorage, BioServices, and also IntegriCell, and any update on storing allogeneic therapies? I know, obviously, a third of your trials are allogeneic in nature, but in terms of storing that actual cell tissue, has that started yet? Any revenue coming from that yet?
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Mark and Robert both may have some additional comments here. They will have some additional comments, David. But IntegriCell is not a subject right now for revenue because it won't be coming online until the last half of the year, and that'll be the beginning of a ramp-up. And after that, you will see over time, you will see IntegriCell producing significant revenues for the company. It's a service that's needed. The partnerships are coming along well. The factories are coming along well, and we have great anticipation of IntegriCell. In terms of a couple of the other things, on BioServices in particular, Mark can better comment on BioServices and how that's coming along.
Mark Sawicki (Chief Scientific Officer)
Yeah. I'm going to focus on your specific question around allogeneic therapy as it relates to the need for storage and fulfillment-related capabilities. So we have, obviously, as part of the infrastructure build over the last year and a half, built out competencies for secondary labeling and packaging requirements, which are all a base need for allogeneic therapy distribution. Those are currently being used by both clinical and commercial clients, both in the U.S. as well as in Europe. So we've been very successful in transitioning that investment into direct support of the cell and gene space itself. Obviously, there's really the only real allogeneic product on the market right now is Atara, which is a low-volume medication right now.
There's not going to be a significant financial impact on that in the short term, but there's also a contribution into BioServices over time for autologous therapies where we're supporting backup doses as well as other support elements, which also has the competencies over time to support additional revenues.
Robert Stefanovich (CFO and Treasurer)
Last thing that you just said there, you were looking for a dollar amount. The BioServices revenue grew 9% year-over-year to $3.5 million in the first quarter.
Lucas Baranowski (Associate Analyst)
Okay. And I think that there were two large facilities that are fairly new that came online recently, one in Texas, one in New Jersey. Are those profitable now?
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Look, we're still in the early stages of our BioServices initiatives. Both of those were introduced, and so we're really working towards filling up and bringing up the revenue in Biostorage BioServices. We're in the early stages. When Mark is talking about utilizing them for the commercial therapies, for example, I said this is all just now commencing. So we're obviously not fully utilized at this point in time.
Mark Sawicki (Chief Scientific Officer)
Yeah.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
David, remember, once we opened those facilities and those facilities were opened in, I think it was June, a year ago. So it takes 6 months-18 months for clients to come in. They have to do their audits, and they have to do their trial runs, and then they have to rearrange the traffic of what they're doing. So it's just now ramping up. BioServices, we always anticipated an exponential development. So I think we're still down there right around that point of inflection, and I think you'll see it picking up over time.
Robert Stefanovich (CFO and Treasurer)
Yeah. I just want to comment on that. Over the last 12 months in those facilities, we've actually onboarded 27 clients.
Lucas Baranowski (Associate Analyst)
Wow.
Okay. And then just one more quick one. I think on last quarter's call, you had talked about 9 new therapies for 2024 and 17 filings in 2024. Does that mean nine new commercial therapies that you're supporting coming online in 2024? Is that what that means, and how is that number as of today? Is it still nine and 17?
Mark Sawicki (Chief Scientific Officer)
We have had, so far this year, three new therapies get approved. That's Casgevy, the CRISPR-Vertex product, Amtagvi from Iovance, and most recently, Anktiva from Immunity Bio. In our reporting today, we're saying we can see five more new therapies approved this year. So that would give you eight. So it has one I'll call it pushed out. It hasn't gone away. It's probably going to be a 2025. And right now, we're seeing 16 more filings in 2024.
Lucas Baranowski (Associate Analyst)
Okay. Thanks very much. I'll hop back in the queue.
Operator (participant)
Your next question comes from Paul Knight from KeyBanc. Your line is now open.
Paul Knight (Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst)
Hi, Mark. I have a question for you for starters, and that is the phase III trial customer count was up the most in that press release, meaning up 5.6%. Is this a significant indication that biotech's getting some money and getting back into the trial business early stage?
Mark Sawicki (Chief Scientific Officer)
Well, we are seeing a lot of new money starting to come back into the space. We still see a lot of volatility in churn, as we had mentioned. We had a net add of 42 trials in the quarter with a net removal of 42 trials. We always, our whole focus is around playing the portfolio, which means the collective average so that we'll have winners and losers as it relates to those. But as long as we're supporting the vast majority of those trials in the space, then we're on the upside. And we remain confident in that. And with the funding position seeming to stabilize and improving in Q1, obviously, we need to see if that's sustainable. That's a positive indicator.
Paul Knight (Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst)
And then I think the conference in Philadelphia was 8,000 employees. I mean, that's obviously a record, and not employees, but attendees in I think it was the American Society of Cell and Gene Therapy, right? Are you seeing an uptick in potential customer interest?
Mark Sawicki (Chief Scientific Officer)
Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of new startups. And so a significant percentage of those 42 new programs came from new clients, which is a very good sign.
Paul Knight (Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst)
And then I mean, we talk about a $7.7 million EBITDA loss. What do you really want to run the business at, Jerrell, in a few years out? Is this a 30% EBITDA margin business, or is it 25%?
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Paul, I mean, our goals have not changed. I mean, our goals are 55%-60% gross margin and 30% Adjusted EBITDA. Our goals are not changed, and we do examine them often. So that's the metrics that you should be looking for from us.
Paul Knight (Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst)
All right. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Your next question comes from Yuan Zhi from B. Riley. Your line is now open.
Yuan Zhi (Senior Healthcare Equity Research Analyst)
Thank you for taking our questions. Can you help us better understand the weakness in biologic services in 1Q? Was it because of lower volume, and how about the visibility and confidence in 2Q and beyond? I have follow-up.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Mark's going to answer your question, but this has to do with the report that you put out just recently, I assume?
Yuan Zhi (Senior Healthcare Equity Research Analyst)
No, you're talking about BioServices.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
I'm sorry.
Mark Sawicki (Chief Scientific Officer)
Can you repeat the question, guys, because I'm just confused? I think I was a little garbled over here. I thought you said biologics. Jerrell thought you said BioServices.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
I did too. No, I thought you said biologics. You thought BioServices. Repeat the question?
Yuan Zhi (Senior Healthcare Equity Research Analyst)
Yeah. So can you help us better understand the weakness in biologistics services? Was it because of lower volume, and how about the visibility and confidence in 2Q and beyond?
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Yeah. Good. Okay. Mark can.
Mark Sawicki (Chief Scientific Officer)
Yeah. I got it now. Yeah. So biologistics revenue was softer than anticipated because we saw those 42 trial terminations. And many of those were established programs with active volume that was ongoing. Those were replaced by 42 new starts, but those 42 new starts take time to ramp. And so just because we onboard them in the quarter, usually, it's one to two quarters later before we start seeing a contribution as it relates to financial contribution. So we'll see progressive improvement on that as those new programs come online.
Yuan Zhi (Senior Healthcare Equity Research Analyst)
Got it. And then MVE, it seems that it's dropping from the last quarter. And I'm just curious, was it because canceling of order, or was it because the customers are just not there yet?
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
It was demand softness, continued demand softness, and again, mostly out of China. It was not cancellations of orders.
Yuan Zhi (Senior Healthcare Equity Research Analyst)
Got it. One last one from us. For the goals to reduce some capital costs or reducing some costs in second half, I'm curious, will that impact the revenue part? Because if you are cutting workforce in sales, it could have a certain degree of impact. Thank you.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
No. If you look at the actions that we're looking at related to, as I mentioned, some of the CapEx that we're moving out, these are not initiatives that will have an impact on our near-term revenue. They're not the high-priority initiatives that we're working on. Same with some of the headcount review. This is not something that we expect to have any impact on our revenue as well as on our client relationships. Again, this is seen more as reviewing the organization, taking a closer look, especially after the number of acquisitions that we've completed, and then kind of refining the organizational structure.
Yuan Zhi (Senior Healthcare Equity Research Analyst)
Got it. Thanks for the actual helpful color.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Thank you.
Mark Sawicki (Chief Scientific Officer)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Your next question comes from David Saxon from Needham. Your line is now open.
David Saxon (Senior Analyst)
Great. Thanks, and good afternoon. I've been in between calls, so I apologize if I am repeating any questions. But Jerrell, maybe I'll start with you. So on the fourth-quarter earnings call back in mid-March, you did seem to confirm expectations for sequential growth from the fourth quarter into the first quarter. So over the two weeks before quarter end, were there any orders that got pushed out into the second quarter, or what were the factors that drove the shortfall of sequential growth?
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
We did speak with confidence in the fourth quarter. We didn't know exactly how the first quarter was going to turn out. But we didn't say we were having a strong first quarter. What we did say is we gave revenue guidance, and we said we would progressively improve throughout the quarters. And then the guidance came out higher than we expected it to come out, but it did come out that way. And we recognized the weakness in the marketplace at that time, and that's why we said that we would see progressive improvement over the year. And I did confirm our guidance today. So that's what happened. There was nothing specifically that I can say other than the market was slow, and we knew it was slow at the time, and it was a little bit slower than we anticipated.
We were disappointed in the first quarter. Mark may have something to add to that as well.
Mark Sawicki (Chief Scientific Officer)
Yeah. Yeah. Obviously, we don't give guidance right on a quarterly basis. We're really looking at the entirety of the year itself. Across the board, between ourselves and other players in the space, we do strongly anticipate continuous progression in the second half of the year. So you look at uptake in consumables for the life sciences. That's a very strong indicator as it relates to pickup. And that was picked up in Q1, which does indicate development of therapies that will need biologistics and Biostorage through the rest of the year. So sequencing itself is sometimes difficult to ascertain because you can't have rollover from one quarter to the next.
The question is, is things that come in towards the end of the quarter, even if they have a PO or something else that slips that you don't anticipate, it can have a fairly significant impact on that end-of-quarter revenue. So we did see some POs and things like that slip out of the first quarter into the second quarter.
David Saxon (Senior Analyst)
Okay. Maybe, Mark, I'll follow up with some of the comments you just made. I appreciate the cadence might be kind of difficult to predict, but I thought you said you expect continuous improvement in the second half. So should we think about the second quarter being kind of flatter sequentially, and then we see some sequential growth in the second half to get to the guidance range? I'll just ask my second question here. This might be for both Jerrell and Robert. On Bluebird Express, I'd love to hear how that integration is going. And then by my estimate, at least, revenue contribution was around $3 million. Is that in the right ballpark, and is that a good base that we can see growth off of? Thank you.
Mark Sawicki (Chief Scientific Officer)
I'll let Robert come up.
Robert Stefanovich (CFO and Treasurer)
Yeah. Maybe talk about your first question. Just if you look at what we experienced in Q3, Q4 of last year, we saw actually a slight improvement in Q4. Hence, our outlook was the way we described it at year-end. With that drop-off, as Tom mentioned, particularly in AsiaPac in Q1, some of that was certainly unexpected. But what we did talk about is to see a progressive improvement throughout the year, and that progressive improvement really weighted towards the second half of the year. So I can't give you specifics related to Q2, but I can give you those two data points as they're progressively improving and then weighted towards the second half of the year.
David Saxon (Senior Analyst)
Okay. Yeah. That's super helpful. And then just on Bluebird Express, if you could.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Yeah. Bluebird Express is integrating very well with CryoPDP. It's a small acquisition, but we had done business with Bluebird Express for a number of years at Cryoport Systems, and it's a known quantity. It's having a very positive impact. It knows the U.S. market, and it's having an impact on the development of CryoPDP. We're opening three new logistics centers in the U.S. to build out that network, and I think we'll have a good year at CryoPDP.
David Saxon (Senior Analyst)
Okay. It sounds like $3 million might be the right ballpark for quality and revenue contribution.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Yeah. This is probably on the lower end, but I think for modeling purposes, that's fine.
David Saxon (Senior Analyst)
Okay. Great. All right. Thanks so much.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Thank you, David.
Operator (participant)
There are no further questions at this time, speakers. Please proceed with your closing remarks.
Jerrell Shelton (President and CEO)
Okay. Thank you. Thank you for your questions and our discussions. Our first quarter results echoed a challenging global environment. So through market improvements and our actions, we expect our results will progressively improve during the remainder of the year. And based on the recent momentum we've seen with cell and gene therapy approvals, we're encouraged and feel confident in our full-year 2024 revenue guidance. Cryoport is well-positioned to capitalize on the growth of the life sciences and particularly the cell and gene therapy industry. As more therapies receive FDA approval and achieve commercialization and our services and product initiatives take effect, even with the current economic and geopolitical climate, the market is expected to expand substantially over the next few years, and Cryoport is built to support its rapid growth.
In summary, while our start in 2024 was softer than we would have liked, we will remain focused on our strategic priorities, continuing to expand our position and our top accounts, delivering innovation and differentiated new services and products, and remaining diligent on cost controls and productivity improvements to support increases in margins as we move through 2024. Thank you for joining us today. We appreciate your continued support and interest in our company. We look forward to updating you on our progress again next quarter. We hope you have a good evening. Thank you. Operator.
Operator (participant)
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.