Delek US - Q4 2025

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Operator (participant)

Thank you for standing by. My name is Jill, and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Delek US fourth quarter earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press star one again. I would now like to turn the conference over to Robert Wright, EVP, Delek. You may begin.

Robert Wright (EVP)

Good morning, welcome to the Delek US Q4 earnings conference call. Participants joining me on today's call will include Avigal Soreq, President and CEO, Mark Hobbs, EVP, Chief Financial Officer, as well as other members of our management team. Today's presentation material can be found on the Investor Relations section of the Delek US website. Slide two contains our safe harbor statement regarding forward-looking information. As a reminder, this conference call will contain forward-looking information as defined under the federal securities laws, including statements regarding guidance and future business outlook. Any forward-looking statements made during today's call will involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from today's comments. Factors that could cause actual results to differ are included in our SEC filings. The company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements.

I will now turn the call over to Avigal for opening remarks. Avigal?

Avigal Soreq (President and CEO)

Thank you, Robert. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. 2025 was a transformational year for Delek. We have made progress on all fronts, including improving the free cash flow profile of the company and increasing the economic separation between DK and DKL. The year also conclude with a strong Q4 results. In Q4 2025, excluding SRE, Delek reported an adjusted EPS of $0.44 and adjusted EBITDA of approximately $226 million. This result highlight the accelerating momentum at Delek and the stability of our strategy. Now, I will cover some of the achievements in 2025 in detail. Starting with EOP. I'm proud of how we have created a culture of continuous improvement through our Enterprise Optimization Plan. EOP drove substantial value throughout the year with a strong execution and measurable progress across all business units.

As a result of continued success, we are once again raising our Enterprise Optimization Plan target to at least $200 million on an annual run rate basis. Our sum-of-the-parts initiative continue to advance. 2026 is expected to have highest economic separation between DK and DKL. 2025 was a record year for DKL, with approximately $536 million in adjusted EBITDA. DKL continues to build on its premier position in the Permian Basin through its full suite of service and a strong organic growth. Continuing the momentum, DKL today announced its 2026 EBITDA guidance to be in the range of $520 million-$560 million.

DKL is a close to the finish line on its industry-leading comprehensive sour gas solution, including gathering, treatment, processing, and acid gas injection, providing market access for residue gas and NGLs. These capabilities will provide DKL the ability to fully capitalize on its growth opportunity in the Delaware Basin and maintain its best-in-class EBITDA growth and yield. In 2026, on a pro forma basis, with continued growth in third-party cash flow, we expected DKL third-party EBITDA to exceed 80%. Achieving this level of economic separation has been cornerstone of our sum-of-the-parts strategy. We are taking additional action to ensure the strength of DKL third-party midstream service are fully reflected in the share price and unit price. As I always do, I will now give an update on our key long-term priorities. First, safe and reliable operations.

We had a strong operational quarter in our refining system, with solid performance from our four refineries. At Big Spring, our Q1 2026 planned turnaround is progressing well and remains on track. The focus of this turnaround is to further enhance reliability and operational flexibility, positioning the refinery for improved cost structure and margin capture. We expect this enhancement to drive meaningful performance improvement once the refinery returns to full operation. This is our only planned turnaround in 2026, which sets our refining system up well for the remainder of the year. Second, I would like to add a little more context on our own Enterprise Optimization Plan. As a reminder, we started EOP with an aim to improve DK cash flow by $80 million-$120 million on a run rate basis, starting in the second half of 2025.

As a result of the strong buy-in from the organization, we have been able to continue to increase our EOP range. We are again increasing our expectation for EOP-related cash flow improvement to at least $200 million annually. During the Q4 of 2025, we estimate approximately $50 million of EOP contribution in our PNL. The success of EOP is clearly visible in the performance of El Dorado Refinery, supply and marketing results, and G&A. These improvements are here to stay and have set us up for long-term success. I'm confident that EOP will remain a core strength well into the future. As mentioned last quarter, we pursued a proactive strategy to monetize the 2023 and 2024 RINs, granted after the EPA cleared the backlog of pending 2019 to 2024 SRE petitions.

I'm pleased to announce that we were able to monetize a large portion of our 2023 and 2024 RINs faster versus our original plan, and have been able to use the proceeds to reduce our Inventory Intermediation Agreement. The restructuring of the IAA will improve our free cash flow generation on the top of EOP by at least $40 million on a yearly basis. We remain actively involved in our effort to get full value for the 2019 to 2022 RINs, for which we were provided invalid relief. Finally, we believe that the current administration, Senate, Congress, and EPA realize the importance of SREs, not only for the refineries which qualify under the program, but also to the local communities they serve. We believe SREs will remain a core part of the current administration's energy policy as it advances its energy dominance agenda.

The final piece of our strategy is being shareholder-friendly and having a strong balance sheet. During the quarter, we paid approximately $15 million in dividends and bought back approximately $20 million of our shares. Our strong balance sheet, improved reliability, and confidence in EOP enable us to do countercyclical buyback in 2025. I'm proud to continue our strong shareholder return, dividend, and buyback through this cycle. We remain committed to a disciplined and balanced approach to capital allocation and look forward to continue rewarding our shareholders. In closing, thank you for our team for the hard work and dedication to 2025. I'm proud of the progress in Delek over the last year and look forward to continue this progress in 2026. I will turn the call over to Mark, who will provide additional color on the quarter.

Mark Hobbs (EVP and CFO)

Thank you, Avigal. For the Q4, Delek had net income of $78 million or $1.26 per share. Adjusted net income was $143 million or $2.31 per share, and adjusted EBITDA was approximately $375 million. Moving to slide five, we show the breakout of adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS for the Q4. Excluding SREs, adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS were approximately $226 million and $0.44 per share, respectively. This removes the reduction in cost of materials of $75 million associated with prior year SREs and the impact of our RVO exemption recognition for the Q4 of $74 million. For the full year 2025, excluding SREs, our adjusted EBITDA was approximately $763 million.

On slide 19, the breakdown of adjusted EBITDA, excluding SREs from the Q3 of 2025 to the Q4, shows that there was one main driver for the decrease in EBITDA. The primary driver was in the refining segment, where adjusted EBITDA declined by $91 million, largely due to seasonality. Excluding SREs, supply and marketing contributed approximately $23 million in the quarter. Of that amount, approximately $35 million was generated by wholesale marketing. Asphalt contributed a loss of $4.2 million, with the remaining contribution coming from supply. In the logistics segment, we continue to have another strong quarter, delivering approximately $142 million in adjusted EBITDA. Moving to slide 20 to discuss cash flow. Cash flow provided by operations in the Q4 was $503 million.

This includes our net income for the period, adjusted for non-cash items, monetization of SREs, and a net inflow related to changes in working capital of $26 million. When adjusting for working capital and SREs, cash flow from operations was $119 million. This was an improvement of $211 million when compared to the Q4 of last year. This improvement was driven by an increase in net margin in the quarter versus last year and the continued success we are having with our Enterprise Optimization Plan. Investing activities of $117 million in the quarter includes approximately $26 million for growth projects, primarily at DKL.

Financing activities of $391 million includes approximately $380 million related to the paydown of our Inventory Intermediation Agreement and associated inventory financing, which will result in at least a $40 million reduction in annual interest expense, $20 million in share repurchases, approximately $15 million in dividend payments, and approximately $22 million in DKL distribution payments to public unitholders. On slide 21, we outline our Q4 capital spending, with $82 million invested at Delek standalone and $31 million at DKL, largely for growth projects. Our net debt position is broken out between Delek and Delek Logistics on slide 22. Excluding Delek Logistics, our Delek standalone net debt remained largely in line with prior quarters. Moving now to slide 23, where we cover Q1 outlook items.

Our throughput guidance for the Q1 of 2026 is 70,000-74,000 barrels per day at Tyler, 66,000-71,000 barrels per day at El Dorado. Due to the planned turnaround, Big Spring will run 22,000-28,000 barrels per day, and lastly, Krotz Springs will run 82,000-86,000 barrels per day. Our implied system throughput target for the Q1 is in the 240,000-259,000 barrels per day range. In addition to throughput guidance, for the Q1, we expect operating expenses to be between $210 million and $220 million. Our guidance for the Q1 incorporates increased operating expenses associated with preparing for Winter Storm Fern. G&A to be between $47 million and $52 million. D&A is expected to be between $100 million and $110 million, and net interest expense to be between $75 million and $85 million. With that, we will now open the call for questions.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. The floor is now open for questions. If you have a question and have dialed in, just simply press star one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. If you'd like to withdraw your question, simply press star one again. If you are called upon to ask a question and are listening via loudspeaker on your device, please pick up your handset and ensure that your phone is not on mute when asking your question. We do request for today's session that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Again, to join the queue, just simply press star one. Your first question comes from the line of Doug Leggate of Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Doug Leggate (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)

Thank you. Excuse me. Good morning, everyone,

Avigal Soreq (President and CEO)

Hey, good morning, Doug.

Mark Hobbs (EVP and CFO)

I wonder if I could, Doug?

Doug Leggate (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)

Pleasure. It's great to see these SREs showing up. I wonder if I could just ask a couple of questions relating to what you've already booked. I guess I'm really looking for the cash inflow on what's remaining still to be recognized for the SREs that you've already, you know, being awarded. Maybe you could, you know, address how what the path is to get the pre-2023 SREs recognized. That's my first question. My second question is on the go-forward SRE value. It's obviously massive, and there's a lot of other things we could talk about, like the EOP and so on today. The dominant issue, we think, is the value of the 2025 through 2028 RINs and any risks from legislative changes that you see there.

Could you maybe offer any insight you can on why you continue to risk the 2025 RINs specifically? Thank you.

Avigal Soreq (President and CEO)

Yeah, absolutely, Doug. With your permission, I will try to start with the future. Again, this is one person opinion about what the situation exactly. When we are talking about the future, first of all, we need to understand it's not a Delek topic. It's a way broader topic than that. It's directly impacting close to 40 refineries and indirectly impact to the back half of our industry. It's a huge topic. I want to make it even more clear than that. The whole point of SRE is disproportionate economic hardship. Disproportionate economic harm. The essence of the law behind it is to maintain high-paying jobs locally, to support local communities, and to be able to have affordable fuel for those communities.

It's very important. SRE and small refineries are critical to meet the energy dominance policy of energy, critical in our mind, and are here to stay. About the 2019 to 2022, you asked that as well. I want to say something, that relief and eligibility are coming together. We're obviously eligible for those SREs, but we got a invalid RINs. There is a acronym for those RINs lately, it's a zombie RINs. That's what the people just call them. Since those twins of relief and eligibility coming together, we believe in our case around it, and we believe that we get full value for what we already paid. Mark, why don't you touch the positive?

Mark Hobbs (EVP and CFO)

Yeah, yeah, sure, Avigal. Doug, appreciate the question. As Avigal mentioned in his prepared remarks, look, we're extremely excited and proud of the progress we made during the quarter. You know, we saw an opportunity during the quarter to restructure and pay down our Inventory Intermediation Agreement, and our team did a great job. They were actually able to monetize a vast majority of the RINs from our prior year SREs from 2023, 2024, you know, that $400 million that we mentioned on last quarter's call, much earlier than our original estimate of six to nine months, raising approximately $360 million during the Q4.

At the end of the quarter, near the very end, we used these proceeds and available cash to pay down approximately $380 million under the IAA and associated inventory financing, which was a large portion of what we actually had outstanding under the program. These activities are gonna reduce our annual interest expense associated with the IAA by at least $40 million. This further enhances our free cash flow generation, and as Avigal also mentioned in his prepared remarks, this is on top of and beyond everything what we've discussed to date with regards to our EOP initiatives.

Mohit Bhardwaj (EVP of Strategy, Business Development and Investor Relations)

Doug.

Doug Leggate (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)

Avigael.

Mohit Bhardwaj (EVP of Strategy, Business Development and Investor Relations)

Doug, one more thing.

Doug Leggate (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)

Yeah, go ahead.

Mohit Bhardwaj (EVP of Strategy, Business Development and Investor Relations)

I just wanted to add. I just wanted to add to what Mark and Avigal just talked about. I think you were mentioning, and you're trying to touch upon this point about, you know, whether some of this value is reflected in our stock price or not. If you look at just on a mid-cycle basis, pre Inventory Intermediation Agreement restructuring, we would have made $150 million of free cash flow. Mark just talked about, you know, another $40 million on top of that. If you take that $190 million of value at 10% free cash flow yield, that's $32 a share. If you look at our value of DKL, that's another $32 a share. That's at least $65 a share that's missing. You know, that's got nothing to do with SREs at all.

you know, we definitely agree with you that there's a lot of value that's still, you know, not reflected in our shares. To answer one last piece of your question, yes, there's some more left beyond the monetization that we have done for 2023 and 2024 RINs still left to be, which we expect to be monetizing in the first half of 2026, most likely in the Q1.

Doug Leggate (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)

Guys, I don't want to hog the question here, but I want to make sure you understood my question about the forward. Slide 18, you're showing a range of 50%-100%, $468 million on a 100% basis, but you're also giving us guidance that all four refineries are going to be under 75,000 barrels a day. Why should we risk that number in 2025 or for that matter, 2026 through 2028?

Mohit Bhardwaj (EVP of Strategy, Business Development and Investor Relations)

Yeah, I think, Doug, again, a very good question. I just want to make sure that this point about disproportionate economic harm comes across. You know, if you are a refiner like us who stays in compliance, you pay for these RINs, and then these RINs, the cost of these RINs are returned to you a year later. We can, we cannot decide for the EPA. The EPA will decide, you know, how they will rule upon these petitions. You know, so far, all we can say is that EPA has done a good job in clearing the backlog that was created from 2019 to 2024, and they have been very good in creating a forward-looking guidance as well.

We just expect them to continue with this good work, and we'll see what happens as far as our 2025 petitions are concerned on a go-forward basis. For us, we just wanted you to have the $468.4 million RVO obligation on a 2025 basis, and that's what we have provided. What % of that is approved, that's in EPA's hands.

Doug Leggate (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)

I'll pass it back. Thanks for the clarification, Mohit.

Operator (participant)

Your next question.

Mohit Bhardwaj (EVP of Strategy, Business Development and Investor Relations)

Thank you, Doug.

Operator (participant)

Your next question comes from the line of Paul Cheng of Scotiabank. Your line is open.

Paul Cheng (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)

Hey, guys. Good morning.

Avigal Soreq (President and CEO)

Hey, Paul.

Paul Cheng (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)

Yes, a very good quarter. Avigal, that, just curious, what's left in the consolidation of the DKL and in terms of timeline? Also ultimately, that, what is the, ownership that you think you need or you want to have in DKL? Second question is that in the, Big Spring Refinery, you're going to have a full plant turnaround, currently going. What initiative other than the normal turnaround that you are taking that will lead to the improvement of the performance going forward? What other than, say, the normal full plant turnaround that you typically would do every four or five years, what else are you doing in this turnaround? Thank you.

Avigal Soreq (President and CEO)

Yeah, thank you. Paul, with your permission, I would start with a bigger discussion about the sum-of-the-parts in the deconsolidation and all of the topic. I want to make sure that the point coming across very, very clearly. The whole point of sum-of-the-parts is to make sure that the value of our business, the midstream business that we are building, is fully reflected in the unit price and share price. That's the objective. Obviously, we have done tremendous amount of work in the last 18 months around it. It's very visible to the market. We've sold retail in the past you liked. We have done two acquisition of a midstream company before the market realized what the value is. We probably bought it around half of the market versus what it is today.

We have done build a gas plant in a very, very good location with a very good capabilities, and developed those business very, very nicely, and we are very proud of that. Obviously, we reduced our ownership from close to 80% to around 60% now, while doing that, increased the distribution. We checked many, many boxes around creating value for both unit holder and shareholder. At that junction, we are working extensively on four paths, and maybe some of them were working together. One is sell the entire assets for the right value. When I'm saying the entire value, if you're looking on the intrinsic value of each business unit in DKL, you get to seven handle number on the DKL unit.

We can always monetize one of the assets of DKL for the right price. We have the free tax between DK and DKL to allow DKL to buy units back from DK, and we always can do M&A and reduce our ownership like we have done so far. We are working many angles. I think that there is a tremendous amount of activity that's visible to the market, and you need to remember that the lack of announcement is not lack of work or lack of progress. Stay tuned.

Around the Big Spring, you had another question. Around the Big Spring, we are very happy with the team over there. It's also visible in the Q4 numbers. They made a very good progress, and I would focus the Big Spring after the turnaround in four areas, right? One, improve reliability. Two, improve our crude slate and optimization. Three, improve the product slate. We are very excited to see how Big Spring are gonna perform after turnaround, and let's all stay tuned.

Paul Cheng (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)

Hey, Avigal Soreq, that for Big Spring, is there any new technology being introduced or new unit being added, or any things that we should be aware in this full plant turnaround?

Avigal Soreq (President and CEO)

No, it's a cycle turnaround. The last turnaround we've been in, done in Big Spring was 2020, so that's on the cycle. We are not doing any huge capital projects, but we are making sure that those three boxes that I've said are being very clear, the operational reliability, the crude slate, and the product mix after that. Mohit, want to chime in, please.

Mohit Bhardwaj (EVP of Strategy, Business Development and Investor Relations)

No, Avigal, I just want to add to what you just said. Paul, you're asking the right question. For us, the most important piece about Big Spring is to improve its reliability. Once we improve the reliability, our cost structure is going to improve, and it has been we've been making great progress in improving its cost structure, and we expect after turnaround, that cost structure will improve even more. If you look at the product side, that will help with the margin capture as well. You know, I think we are very excited about this turnaround, as Avigal just mentioned, and we look forward to updating you about this at our next earnings call.

Paul Cheng (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)

All right. Thank you.

Operator (participant)

Your next question comes from the line of Neil Mehta of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Neil Mehta (Head of Americas Natural Resources Equity Research)

Hey, good morning, team, and thank you for taking our question. We wanted to ask a follow-up on the cash flow profile. Can you unpack the drivers of the raised cash flow guidance? How do we think about potential upside from that number, just given you've raised it a few times?

Avigal Soreq (President and CEO)

Yeah. Neil Mehta, that's a very nice question. I will make a step back, and I will give a broader context, because I think that the real discussion is EOP. EOP is all about free cash flow. That's the essence of the program, and that's what we got the organization laser focused on. EOP, and I wanna make it very clear, it's not just projects, it's a lifestyle. It's a language that the organization speak, and everyone in this company speak that language, and it's bubbling from a bottom up. It's very, you know, it's very exciting and pleasant to see how it's becoming part of our culture, and it's a cornerstone in our culture, and I'm very proud of that.

If you think about it, where we started a year, a year and a half ago around EOP, we started with a guidance of around $100 billion. Now, we are saying it's at least $200 billion, so we more than doubled it. If you look at the history, it's very rare that the company able to increase it time over time over time. I wanna tell another thing that you're probably gonna be happy to hear, that we are not stopping here. We are not stopping here, and we have a big plan about the future EOP and more to come, and it's gonna be in the gross margin, in the G&A, in the in supply and marketing, in many other, in many area of the business that we are very excited for. Still more to come.

Neil Mehta (Head of Americas Natural Resources Equity Research)

Okay, that's helpful. Then a follow-up on that. You've got EOP, SREs, and IIA. As we think about the implications of incremental free cash flow, how should we think about the capital allocation priorities? Should we expect you to maybe lean more into buybacks or any thoughts there would be helpful?

Avigal Soreq (President and CEO)

That's a great question. Thank you for asking that question. We are very proud of our capital allocation strategy. We said that we're gonna maintain dividend through the cycle. We can check the box around that. We said that we're gonna do a balanced approach between balance sheet and buyback. We can definitely check the box around that. We did in 2025, countercyclical buyback, and actually, our total return to shareholders is higher by 4% than the average of our refining peers. Our philosophy of capital allocation did not change, and we are very consistent about that. We communicate it to investor very clearly, and we always take opportunity to reward investor. That's the goal we have, and we'll keep doing it.

Neil Mehta (Head of Americas Natural Resources Equity Research)

Thank you. I'll turn it back.

Avigal Soreq (President and CEO)

Thanks, Neil Mehta. Thank you.

Operator (participant)

Your next question comes from the line of Jason Gabelman of TD Cowen. Your line is open.

Jason Gabelman (Director of Energy Equity Research)

Hey, morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to ask on the supply line, because it's now been two consecutive quarters where that supply and other part of the supply line has been above $50 million, and I know it includes kind of a grab bag of items. You can just talk about kind of what drove the strength in Q4, how much of it was EOP versus any one-time benefits, and how we should think about that sub-line item within the overall supply line moving forward?

Avigal Soreq (President and CEO)

Absolutely, thank you for joining our call this morning. We appreciate you. In reality, as I said in my prepared remarks, and you probably listened, it's very visible that the EOP progress in the supply and marketing, we see this very, very clearly. We see that in other places. We've seen that in the G&A, basically cutting the cost by close to half versus what it used to be. You've seen that in El Dorado, we're able to increase, to improve our capture by $2 a barrel on the top of the crack. A great team over there, very proud of the progress. Still, we still see more opportunities over there, I will let Mohit touch the specific question about the DKTS.

Mohit Bhardwaj (EVP of Strategy, Business Development and Investor Relations)

Hey, Jason, how are you? Good to hear from you. Supply and marketing is concerned, I think I talked about this last quarter as well. The two specific businesses which are part of the supply and marketing are wholesale and asphalt, and we're making great progress in both. Especially as it comes to wholesale, we have been improving the business in three phases. The first phase was to have the right products available to supply the markets that we are serving. Second has been contract renegotiations and increased logistics, which has allowed us to access these markets. Currently, we are in phase three, where we are optimizing the markets we are participating in. Some markets we are, you know, trying to put more product in, and other markets we are exiting.

That's the main reason why we are seeing reduced seasonality in the supply and marketing line item. This will not avoid the seasonality completely, but we are trying to reduce the impact of that seasonality. Market is going to help us as well. If you look at what's happening later this year, Magellan is going to bring its pipeline online, which is going to start clearing the group and put more products into PADD4. Once these West Coast pipelines come online, you know, those West Coast barrels will be supplied by the group and the mid-continent. The market's also helping us, is going to help us, not helping us currently, but is going to help us as these pipelines come online. We are very excited about the steps we are taking, and we'll take, if the market also starts to help us, we'll definitely take that too.

Jason Gabelman (Director of Energy Equity Research)

Yes, thanks. I appreciate the detail. The question was more about not the wholesale or asphalt, but the third part of that supply and marketing business, which has been, I think, about $50 million for two consecutive quarters. I was wondering if you think that's a good rate moving forward or expected to be kind of volatile quarter-to-quarter?

Mohit Bhardwaj (EVP of Strategy, Business Development and Investor Relations)

Yeah, Jason, we did call out a $43 million one-time impact for the last quarter. That's for Q3. This quarter, that line item is more in line with what, you know, we expect, but there would be some volatility in that line item, but that's not a reflection of the core business. I just wanted to focus on what our core business is and where most of the improvements are coming. If you want to talk more about this.

Jason Gabelman (Director of Energy Equity Research)

Okay.

Mohit Bhardwaj (EVP of Strategy, Business Development and Investor Relations)

We can take it offline.

Jason Gabelman (Director of Energy Equity Research)

All right, great. My follow-up is on DKL and the transactions. You announced this morning, which were, I think, about $85 million. I'm wondering what the EBITDA contribution is going to be from those, you know, the structure of the deal between cash and perhaps units, and, you know, why the second part of the deal is closing in October 2027?

Avigal Soreq (President and CEO)

Yeah. Robert, you want to take it?

Robert Wright (EVP)

Yeah, sure. Thanks. Great question. You know, what we really completed here was furthering the economic separation of the two public companies. DKL now has 82% of their EBITDA on a third-party basis. What really got accomplished here was DK materially is complete with putting the right assets under the right roof. Really, at a high level, these transactions, from an EBITDA perspective, are not material. I think, you know, and I guess the other piece of your question was the timing, and we've kind of laid out the two timing. That's really to phase in the cash flows between the two parties.

Jason Gabelman (Director of Energy Equity Research)

Okay. I'll leave it there. Thanks.

Operator (participant)

Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Todd of Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Avigal Soreq (President and CEO)

Hey, Ryan, welcome.

Ryan Todd (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)

Great, thanks. Good morning. Congrats on the result. Maybe just a question. I know you've touched on this, and some of the things already, but obviously, margin capture was very strong across multiple regions. I know some of that you've highlighted and to some degree in terms of EOP drivers, but can you talk about, you know, what has gone well, what and how you see that sustainably going forward in terms of, you know, what may have been structural drivers versus what may have been some transient impacts and what you see in terms of margin capture going forward?

Avigal Soreq (President and CEO)

I think that what you see is our strategy coming into a reflection in the results. That's the essence of that. Our strategy, there is a big component for a safe and reliable operation and EOP. In order to have the right capture, you need three legs, right? You need a safe and reliable operation, you need very strong commercial activity led by our Chief Commercial Officer, Ismail, that is here with us today, and you need a strong EOP. The combination of those three together improve the capture over time. We are very proud of the results. I, you can see both in Tyler and KSR, post-turnaround, you see a meaningful improvement in capture, and that's something that we are very proud of, post-turnaround improvement before open. Mohit, you want to chime in?

Mohit Bhardwaj (EVP of Strategy, Business Development and Investor Relations)

Avigal, you rightly pointed out EOP as the reason for it, because of EOP, we've been able to, you know, produce more high-octane products and sell them all year round, that is helping as well. We also have a very high distillate yield, which helped, we have increased our total liquid volume yield, which is also part of our Enterprise Optimization Plan, that is showing results in our capture.

Ryan Todd (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)

Great. Thank you. That's all for me.

Avigal Soreq (President and CEO)

Thank you.

Operator (participant)

With no further questions, I'd like to pass it back to Avigal for closing remarks.

Avigal Soreq (President and CEO)

I wanted to say thank you for the team here that did a very good job, to our board of directors, that help and guide us and lead us, to our investors that like the story and stay with the story, and most importantly, to our great employees that make the company, that great company. Thank you. We'll talk again next quarter.

Operator (participant)

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.