Duos Technologies Group - Q4 2025
March 31, 2026
Transcript
Operator (participant)
Good afternoon. Welcome to Duos Technologies' fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings conference call. Joining us for today's call are Duos President, Doug Recker, and CFO, Leah Brown. Following the remarks, we will open the call to your questions. Before we conclude today's call, I'll provide the necessary cautions regarding the forward-looking statements made by management during this call.
Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Mr. Doug Recker. Sir, please proceed.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Welcome, everyone. Thank you for joining us. Earlier today, we issued our earnings press release and our 10-K for 2025. Copies are available in the investor relations section of our website. I encourage all listeners to view press releases and our 10-K filing to better understand some of the details we'll be discussing during this afternoon's call.
Before I begin, I would like to take a minute to personally thank Chuck Ferry for his leadership and guidance. Chuck has served the Duos organization and provided personal mentorship to me. I value Chuck and the opportunity he has provided me at Duos. It is not every day that you get to be mentored by a war hero and a corporate champion, and for that, I will be ever forever grateful. I look forward to your continued mentorship and guidance as you continue to serve on our board of directors. Thank you, Chuck, for all you have done and continue to do for the Duos organization.
As your newly appointed CEO, I am honored and excited to discuss the focus of Duos Technologies Group. We are now fully dedicated to the data center market through our Duos Edge and Technologies Solutions division, driven by accelerating customer demand. I will get into more of that in a minute, but want to give you an update on the rail technology in Duos Energy subsidiaries.
First, let me talk to you about our legacy business, which is a Railcar Inspection Portal. In the previous calls, we have discussed that this line of business has become less important to our future at Duos. We also talked about diversifying our business strategy to edge computing. Thus, we have made the decision to completely divest the Rail division. This divestiture is expected to take place over the next 60 days.
This decision did not come lightly, and I know the Rail technology has a rich history with Duos shareholders. In fact, my involvement goes back many years before joining Duos, and I was intimately involved in the design and building of the edge data centers that the portal uses today. However, the lack of growth and regulatory hurdles for that business has proved to be extremely challenging to manage. The decision to divest frees up company resources and cuts significant SG&A expenses, for more details will be made available on the few divestitures in the near future.
Second, I would like to talk about Duos Energy Corporation. As many of you may remember from last year, Duos entered into an asset management agreement with New APR Energy to help find new contracts to engineer, procure, construct, and operate fast power plants. Duos also was given a 5% equity stake in the parent of APR Energy. The AMA provided the interim financial ability to execute and pivot to our data center strategy. We announced on the Q3 earnings call that the AMA would conclude in 2026, but Duos will remain or will retain the 5% equity stake.
Now, I would like to discuss our data center strategy and our new line of businesses at Duos Technologies Solutions. Part of our strategy in building and deploying data centers at a rapid pace has always been focused on cost savings, lowering our capital expenditures. Building data center infrastructure is very capital intensive. As Duos is a relatively small buyer compared to the larger hyperscalers and colocation companies, we needed a way to buy products cheaper, so we created Duos Technologies Solutions. This brand new division allows us to do just that, as well as provide a new stream of revenue for us.
We started by hiring an industry veteran with a proven track record who understands our business as well as the data center market overall. Kristen Sanderson joined Duos and will serve as the Senior Vice President of Duos Technologies Solutions. Kristen has over 18 years of data center product experience, vast market distribution knowledge, relationships with all the key supplier partners that Duos needs to work with, and a wealth of relationships in the data center industry.
This new division allows Duos to procure materials for its own builds at a much lower rate than the legacy way of purchasing through traditional distribution. Duos Technologies Solutions offers the same strategic sourcing and product distribution to new customers, including large scale enterprise organizations, hyperscalers, large colocation companies, low voltage contractors, and general contractors across the United States.
I'm very pleased to report that through the first quarter, Duos Technologies Solutions has already sold $10 million in new business, which currently sits as backlog, all of which I expect to be recorded as revenue this year. This new line of business has low overhead and is simple to execute while having strong commitments by the end client.
The revenue generator from Tech Solutions is expected not only to replace the revenue from the new APR AMA, but also provide better margins, thus further contributing to the overall future profitability and growth of Duos Technologies Group. Kristen has built a seasoned team with the talent in short three-month build, tremendous sales pipeline, and we expect amazing things from this new venture.
Now, I want to shift our discussion to the core of our new data center-focused organization, Duos Edge AI. The demand for edge computing continues to grow at a rapid pace, and I'm pleased to share that Duos Edge AI is in a great place to meet this demand. The second half of 2025 proved to be extremely busy for Duos Edge. In July 2025, we successfully completed a capital raise of $45 million with Titan Partners to fund the construction and deployment of 15 EDCs to further broaden the connectivity and compute needs of underserved Tier 3 and Tier 4 markets. Duos Edge AI was also awarded a patent for Clean Room technology for modular data center deployments, which gives us a strategic competitive advantage in the space.
Our goal in 2025 was to procure, manufacture, deploy 15 edge data centers. This goal was extremely aggressive and unheard of in our industry. We are proud to report today that we have accomplished that goal. Our focus for the first half of 2026 is to continue executing our sales strategy to acquire new customers in our markets to fully utilize the capacity of each EDC.
In March 2026, we completed a $65 million capital raise to deploy approximately 2,300 GPUs as a service, a 4.8 MW high-density EDC deployment for a leading hyperscaler, and to expand our high-density EDC footprint to support growing demand for power and compute across AI inference, training, enterprise, and hyperscale AI workloads. We also have five new EDCs in production, with plans for an additional 20 MW of deployed capacity by year-end. Having inventory for our EDCs to deploy is crucial for our continued growth and success in this market. The Duos Edge AI story and its initial success is garnering tremendous excitement and demand, so inventory will allow us to react quickly to new market requests. Part of this new demand we now see is for higher density power, which serves AI and high-powered compute needs.
While Duos Edge AI is committed to sticking to our original model of deploying in the Tier 3 and Tier 4 markets, we are seeing unprecedented demand for power in megawatts compared to kilowatts. The data center market is experiencing a boom like we've never seen before, and building at scale is costly, and it takes years to complete. During the course of this deployment, our 15 EDCs, we saw an influx of calls requesting more power in the markets where we have our operations all across the country. There is such a shortage of data center space and power that companies are turning to Duos Edge AI. We are going to start to build our new EDCs with greater power capacity to meet this demand.
We have shown the market we can deploy at lower costs with an incredibly faster speed to market. Duos Edge AI will now be able to cater to customers that have the high-density needs, like the neoclouds providers and hyperscalers, for their remote edge sites. These higher power capacity EDCs should provide much higher monthly recurring revenue for Duos, which we will explain in our financial update coming up shortly.
Before I transition to the financials, I would like to touch on our start of the year and our first partnership in deploying high-density power EDCs. This month, Duos executed its first contract across two newly launched business lines, GPU-as-a-Service and high-power colocation service for AI infrastructure.
Under our GPU-as-a-Service agreement, Duos will deploy 2,304 NVIDIA GPUs across our edge data center platform, generating recurring revenue through a GPU rental model, purpose-built for enterprise and AI workloads. This contract is expected to generate approximately $176 million in revenue over a 36-month term, with margins exceeding 80% and expected annual EBITDA of approximately $40 million.
Separately, Duos was awarded a high-powered colocation contract to deliver 4.8 MW of critical compute power to support a leading hyperscaler's high-density NVIDIA GPU cluster housed within Duos Edge AI data centers. This contract represents Duos' entry into the market of high-power colocation, where demand for AI-grade infrastructure continues significantly outpacing supply.
Together, these contracts mark a significant commercial inflection for Duos, establishing two distinct and complementary revenue streams within our data center platform and validating edge data center infrastructure at the highest level of the AI compute market. Since announcing these contracts, we have received strong incremental inbound interest from hyperscalers, neocloud providers, and other large-scale compute customers. Seeking high-density EDC solutions, we see a significant opportunity to scale the high-power EDC model through 2026 and beyond.
Now, I would like to turn it over to our CFO, Leah Brown, who will go over our financials for 2025. Leah?
Leah Brown (CFO)
Thank you, Doug. This has been an exciting year for Duos. 2025 is a year marked by significant revenue growth, strategic investment, and meaningful progress toward building a stronger, more scalable company. I am truly excited to walk through our full year financial performance and highlight key operational drivers that shaped our results.
For 2025, total consolidated revenue was approximately $27 million. The company previously projected revenue in 2025 of $28 million. Although that target was not met, we recorded a little over $1 million in deferred revenue for technology solutions, which is contracted, cash was received, and we will record as revenue in 2026.
In 2025, the $27 million in revenue was a significant increase compared to $7.3 million in 2024, which is over a 270% increase year-over-year. This growth was primarily driven by services and consulting revenue from the asset management agreement with New APR Energy, totaling $22.4 million in 2025 versus $900,000 in 2024.
The company delivered materially stronger gross margin in 2025, generating $7.9 million in gross profit, achieving approximately 29%, a significant year-over-year improvement. This was driven by improved cost absorption and continued operating efficiency. The company reported net loss of approximately $9.8 million in 2025, an improvement from the $10.8 million net loss in 2024. The year-over-year improvement was driven primarily by higher revenue and significantly stronger gross margin.
As we discussed on our Q3 earnings call, achieving positive Adjusted EBITDA was an important milestone for the company, reflecting the early benefits of revenue scale and margin improvement. I'm pleased to report that we built on that progress in Q4, delivering positive Adjusted EBITDA for the second consecutive quarter. This consistency is meaningful and demonstrates that the Q3 result was not a one-time event, but rather the continuation of improving operating performance as the business scales. The consecutive improvement from Q3 to Q4 reinforces our confidence in the direction of the business, driving higher revenue volume, improved gross margin, and more efficient cost structure.
Let's shift to the balance sheet. The company ended 2025 with approximately $63 million in total assets, reflecting meaningful growth year-over-year. Cash increased significantly compared to the prior year, driven by capital raised during the year, which strengthened liquidity and enhanced our ability to support operations and planned investments.
Another strong position on the balance sheet is property and equipment, each with a significant increase year-over-year, reflecting continued investment in infrastructure and assets required to support the program's execution and long-term growth initiatives. The current contract liabilities over $5 million support the company's future revenue recognition. On the equity side, capital raised during the year strengthened our balance sheet and liquidity, while ongoing investment in the business aligns our strategy to scale operations and drive longer-term value creation.
2025 was a transformative year for Duos Technologies Group. We significantly scaled revenue, strengthened our liquidity position, and made strategic investments that position the company for increased operating leverage and margin expansion going forward. As previously reported, the Rail segment remains relatively flat. In response, we are divesting the Rail business and reallocating resources to support the continued expansion of our edge data center segment.
Turning to our 2026 outlook, the company is providing revenue guidance of $50 million-$55 million in total revenue across all business lines. This forecast reflects growth from both our core operations and newer initiatives, which Doug will cover, and we believe positions us for a strong year. Due to the timing of revenue recognition, a significant portion of revenue is expected to be recognized in the second half of the year, coinciding with the periods in which we expect to achieve positive EBITDA. Our investment and expanded revenue opportunities give us confidence in our ability to execute and continue building a stronger, more profitable company.
Doug, I'll turn it back to you for additional comments.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Leah, thank you. Before we open this up for questions, I wanted to say again how honored I am to serve as your new CEO. The new data center-focused strategy is the new Duos Group, Duos Technologies Group, and we are poised for great success. We have been awarded global recognition with the Innovation of the Year award at the largest data center and telecom conference at Pacific Telecommunications Council 2026 in January. We have also been nominated for breakout success in North America Digital Infrastructure Leader of the Year from the Tech Capital Global Awards coming up in May. The global recognitions only solidifies we are on the right path at Duos with a prosperous future ahead.
We understand we have a new focus, and this is a departure from our legacy business past. We are taking steps to ensure the new messaging is relayed to the market and that we will be given the appropriate market coverage moving forward. We will be retaining an IR firm to assist, and expect several analysts to report on our new focus and business activities in the near future.
With that, I will open it up to questions. Operator?
Operator (participant)
Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please while we poll for questions. Thank you.
Our first question comes from the line of Ed Woo with Ascendiant Capital Markets. Please proceed.
Ed Woo (Director of Research and Senior Analyst)
Yeah. I'd just like to give my congratulations to you, Doug, and to the entire Duos team. The growth that you guys had has just been amazing. My question is, as you know, you mentioned that demand remains very, very strong. Are there any worries of competitors entering this market? What can Duos do to be able to, you know, have the advantages to be able to compete if new entrants come in?
Doug Recker (CEO)
That's a great question, and that's why we manage the business appropriately. You're going to see some people come into the market, like you just probably saw the press release from Crusoe. They're entering the market as far as building 5 MW to 10 MW to 20 MW modular data centers. They're one of the largest in the business. They build Stargate. They're huge. That in itself tells us we're in the right market.
What we've done, and this is an incredible piece--I just got back from GTC, and everybody was talking about how they're concerned about deploying with modular because GPUs are extremely sensitive to particles, to dust. Ironically, the best part about our business, we obtained a patent in September called the Clean Room. We actually have a patent that goes on top of our--it connects to our modular data center that cleans the air before you come in. All the particles on your body, on your equipment, are blown off, filtered off, then you walk actually into the data center.
That is huge when it comes to deploying, because what's gonna happen is the GPU providers, like NVIDIA and, you know, everybody that makes chips, everybody that makes servers, they won't honor their warranties if the fans get dirty and dust in them. That is a huge win for us, and it's gonna help us, you know, differentiate us from the competitors coming in the market.
You will see them, but we are the only ones that have deployed, prime example, 15 pods. I challenge everybody that comes into this business that doesn't have a 3D rendering to go look at, physically look at their pods. We had a customer fly in from China last week, and they flew into Corpus Christi and toured our pods just to see our manufacturing capabilities. It looks like there'll be a new customer of ours on the hyperscale side, possibly.
We have the experience. We've done it. We can actually show people our markets. They can physically go there to see our customers, see gear burning, and see how the facility works. We welcome the competition, but we're strong where we sit.
Ed Woo (Director of Research and Senior Analyst)
That sounds good. My last question is, you know, kind of like a longer term plan. I know you guys kind of been focused on the rural underserved markets. Is there plans to go into the bigger markets? Also you mentioned, China customers or China partners. Do you anticipate possibly going international? Thank you.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Yeah, great question. Right now our focus is Tier 3, Tier 4 markets, and let me tell you why. The demands to deploy in a Tier 3 market, I can deploy my pods and get access to power in 90-120 days. If I go into a Tier 1 market, I'm competing against the larger data centers and the infrastructure that's already in place. We're going to build infrastructure fast.
So where do you do that? You go into markets that have accessible power. They've built substations that have 5 MW-10 MW available on them, and permitting is a lot quicker. So our focus is gonna continue to Tier 3 and Tier 4 markets, and that business sector is huge, and it's gonna be huge for the next 10 years. International-
Ed Woo (Director of Research and Senior Analyst)
Great. Well, thanks for answering my question.
Doug Recker (CEO)
International. Yeah. As to answer your international question, once we start deploying at scale here and move on, we'll be open to international. But right now, our number one focus is in the U.S. into the Tier 3 and Tier 4 markets.
Ed Woo (Director of Research and Senior Analyst)
Great. Well, thank you, and I wish you guys good luck.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Thank you, sir. Thank you so much.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dan Weston with West Capital Management. Please proceed.
Dan Weston (General Manager)
Yeah. Hi. Good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking the questions and congrats on the quarter. Doug, a couple of quick points of clarification. I think you mentioned you were expecting to have, or you do have 5 new EDCs in production to be deployed by year end, if I heard that right?
Doug Recker (CEO)
Yes, sir.
Dan Weston (General Manager)
Are those 5 EDCs specific to the GPU-as-a-Service contract you just signed?
Doug Recker (CEO)
No, those 5 EDCs are committed to markets that have been contracted. There are markets in Georgia, and we're working with a utility to deploy on their network as well. Those are our normal pods that we deploy and that we've deployed. Like, the 15 we've deployed, they're identical.
Dan Weston (General Manager)
I see. Okay.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Yeah. Let me give some clarification because this might help answer a lot of questions for other folks, too. We're still building our same model. Our core is, you go after the education, healthcare, and local government in these markets. What we're doing at the factory is we're building the pod with more power. We're deploying these units, the same concept, the same places, but we're building them at more scale so we can bring in higher density users. Yeah. That's the model.
Dan Weston (General Manager)
Got it. Thank you for that clarification. Back to the first GPU-as-a-Service customer that you just recently signed. When do you expect to have those larger pods, if you will, in the ground and expected to generate revenue?
Doug Recker (CEO)
We're on track for July, August. You know, with permitting and things like that, I wanna say August to you, but we're looking good. More August timeframe.
Dan Weston (General Manager)
That's amazing. As it just kinda ties into the guidance that Leah provided, if Leah, if you're there, I think I wrote down $50 million-$55 million of revenue expected for this year. Could you give us a sense of how that revenue breaks down, please?
Leah Brown (CFO)
Yeah. Thank you for that question. The revenue lines that we anticipate for this year, we're expecting definitely on a holistic view to achieve that aggregate. As a company, we don't go into specifics for each business line, but overall, we do anticipate to meet that guidance.
Dan Weston (General Manager)
Okay. I understand. While you're there, you mentioned the PP&E up to $27 million and change. That's obviously a massive increase from last year, but also up $12 million from your Q3. Can you give us a breakdown of what that PP&E is, please?
Leah Brown (CFO)
Absolutely. The majority of our PP&E is our edge data centers. We have 15 edge data centers, and we've also started pre-buying for the next lot that is coming online in 2026. You-
Dan Weston (General Manager)
Got it.
Leah Brown (CFO)
The majority of that. Yes.
Dan Weston (General Manager)
Great stuff. Last one from me, I'll jump back in. Doug, I think you mentioned that you'd secured the 4.8 MW of power for, I assume you're talking about the GPU-as-a-Service contract. The initial LOI, I think you mentioned 10 MW dedicated to that project. Could you explain a little bit, what the delta is there between the 4.8 MW and the 10 MW?
Doug Recker (CEO)
Sure. The site is built to 10 MW, so there's 10 MW available. They're taking down 4.8 MW for critical load. That means I can add to that site quickly up to 10 MW. Now, that site can go to 20 MW, but it might take another year to get access to another 10 MW. That is the winner here, is that site has the capability that's already been transformed down at 10 MW. There's 10 MW physically available today if I wanted to sell it. I would just build the pods. I'd build another section of pods to get to the 10 MW, so another 5 MW cluster of pods.
Dan Weston (General Manager)
In terms of, you know, real estate, if you will, there's plenty of space there to just drop another 2, 3, or 5 pods down if needed?
Doug Recker (CEO)
Yes. There's 3 acres there, and what we've noticed is 3 acres is plenty. Basically, if you look at our model, you know, if we're deploying 5 MW, it's really like looking at 5 school buses.
Dan Weston (General Manager)
Understood completely. Do you anticipate that your first technology, global technology customer for the GPU-as-a-Service, will end up taking the whole 10 MW?
Doug Recker (CEO)
Yes. Absolutely. There are 2 customers that are looking at 5 more sites at 5 MW with us right now. Obviously, we've researched. We found 5 sites with the power there, but we're gonna get this one installed and the one in Iowa installed first. You know, we'll report on how quickly we did it and how the revenue looks. The demand, I mean, I came back from GTC, and we had 21 inquiries on 5 MW-10 MW sites.
Dan Weston (General Manager)
That's amazing.
Doug Recker (CEO)
The demand, yeah, the demand in this niche is unbelievable. Like I said, I'm not real worried about other people coming in. Our secret sauce is how we deploy quickly, how we find the power, we have a secret to that, and the other piece is the Clean Room. I don't see you--Prime example, in one of these pods, you're talking $10 million-$12 million just in GPU in a pod. A Clean Room, I don't understand why you wouldn't go to somebody that has a Clean Room. It doesn't cost them more.
Dan Weston (General Manager)
Understood.
Doug Recker (CEO)
I keep-
Dan Weston (General Manager)
Yeah.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Yeah.
Dan Weston (General Manager)
By the way, do you anticipate that you'll be able to disclose who that first technology customer is in the near future?
Doug Recker (CEO)
I'm not sure. It's a very strict NDA right now, so I think maybe once we prove ourselves to them, it might be an option. Put it this way, they're Tier 1, so we're good.
Dan Weston (General Manager)
I appreciate that. You know, let me get, squeeze one last one and I'll hop back. As-
Doug Recker (CEO)
Sure.
Dan Weston (General Manager)
You mentioned that there was a $10 million backlog in the tech solutions business that you expect to record as revenue for this year. Is-
Doug Recker (CEO)
Yeah.
Dan Weston (General Manager)
Is that typical for this business where the booking of the contract could take several quarters to actually run through the revenue line?
Doug Recker (CEO)
Yes, exactly. Let me give you an example. We sell a lot of, and we have a lot of, you know, our funnel is huge. We have a lot of, like, cabinets, PDUs, fiber connectors. Those are 60 days, 90 days max, right? Well, we book that, we ship it out quickly. UPSes and other switchgear are six to eight, some of them nine months out.
That's, you know, we had a big booking towards the end of the year, but it took three months for us to bill it, right? A lot of the bigger products take longer. Everything that we're booking, that's in the funnel and that you see us report in this quarter, next quarter, will all bill this year. Because a majority of it is, I wouldn't say off the shelf, but it's more UPS, PDUs, cabinets, cold aisle containment, that kind of stuff. There's a lot of it.
Dan Weston (General Manager)
That's incredible. I really appreciate you taking the time to answer the questions. Congrats to everybody.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Thank you. That's why I'm here. I love the questions. Thank you, sir.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question comes to the line of Nico Sacchetti with RBC. Please proceed.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
Hey, Doug.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Nico, sir, how are you? Good to hear your voice.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
Yeah, I'm good. Maybe I'll piggyback on Dan's last question here.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Okay.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
Not only is that $10 million of the distribution business, you know, going to-
Doug Recker (CEO)
Four one through one.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
Yeah. Actually, recognizing the revenue.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Okay.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
Is $10 million, like, a quarter, a typical run rate for that business?
Doug Recker (CEO)
Absolutely.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
Is that a huge quarter? Is that low? You know, obviously not looking for a definitive guidance, just trying to get an idea of what you're, like, expecting or what that, the capability of that business could be in just like a normalized, situation.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Yeah. We're new to the business, but what we're seeing is, you know, when we can recognize it and how stable it is. You know, let's say the funnel's over $150 million, if we, you know, depending on what the product is.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
No, like $2 million, but like, like-
Doug Recker (CEO)
I'm sorry. Just to clarify, you said the funnel, like, annual, like, capacity. Is that?
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
Okay. Is that like a high-end number that you could do in a year?
Doug Recker (CEO)
The $10 million was over two months, and that was when they first started. Obviously we're looking at a lot greater than that.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
Yeah.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Yeah.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
I'm looking at going back in and out. Hold on a little bit. I thought you said-
Doug Recker (CEO)
Yeah.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
I thought you said the funnel is $150 million. Is that like an annual, like, TAM or capacity that you could do? Did I hear that number right?
Doug Recker (CEO)
Yeah. That number is from two sales reps that she's hired. That's in their funnel.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
Okay. I gotcha.
Doug Recker (CEO)
For this year. That's only for three months of doing business. You know, this, we just started that group. I mean, look, one data center buys $1.6 billion worth of product, right? That's normal, believe it or not, in this industry.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
It would be fair to say, you know, if there was any kind of negative perception around the loss of that $20 million two years ago, and the opportunity here.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Listen to me as well.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
You mentioned that replacing that side of the deal, but it sounds like this could be a multiple of that in a normalized situation.
Doug Recker (CEO)
That's exactly right.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
Okay.
Doug Recker (CEO)
That's why we brought it on.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
For the past two years.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Nico, just real quick about that division. Remember, the main reason we brought that division on is in the marketplace right now, everybody knows to build a megawatt, it's anywhere from $10 million-$13 million, right? To build a megawatt. Why they're looking at us is I can build a megawatt for $6.5 million. Why, how do we do that? It's because that infrastructure group has direct to the manufacturer now. I'm not buying through a Wesco or a Graybar. 20%-30% comes off the line because I buy direct.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
Can you explain the 20%? You are offering, something that can be set up substantially quicker than like a traditional, you know, football field-sized data center and at a lower cost, is what it sounds like.
Doug Recker (CEO)
That's right.
Yep.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
Go with the shorter timeline and go for a better margin profile.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Right. Well, we could deploy quicker. Remember that. The CapEx isn't as intensive. You're deploying 5 MW at $25 million. It's a big difference.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
A lot of what I have are just clarification questions. Obviously, there's a lot of moving parts with this second-
Doug Recker (CEO)
Yep.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
To the extent of, you know, what was the company. You had the AMA, the equity-
Doug Recker (CEO)
Oh, thank you.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
The you know, data software. Then, you know, it's going towards this modular data center, you know, school, hospital, anchor tenants. You know, the metrics around that were very black and white, like cost, what the revenue opportunity is. Then, you know, it seems like we're kind of pivoting again.
I just wanna make sense of all of these moving parts and maybe the. It would be helpful if we could clarify the deck that you have available on your website from February, I think it is. Is this, like, good information? There's just some differences in metrics from what's on this slide versus, like, what was reported and, like, just have some clarification questions. I'm just curious, like, how set in stone the numbers were off of that specific presentation.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Yeah. We're actually after obviously after the call, we're gonna update because now we've recognized and told some information. We're gonna update that. But just remember there's two. And I don't wanna make it confusing. That's why I'm trying to change the model here a little bit. There's two pieces to our business.
One is the edge data center business, and the one is the infrastructure. The edge data center business, the GPU business falls under the edge data center business. Remember, it's the same pod, it's the same concept. It's just on building them bigger. Just look at the GPU as a different type of customer. I'm just bringing in different types of customers. It's the same model, and the revenue is a lot higher, obviously, because they're taking power.
We make money off of power, space, and cross-connect, right? The more power we sell, the more money we make. Obviously the CapEx goes up and the pod cost. The model, you know, and we, I'm pretty sure we shared that. The model on the GPU-
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
Mm-hmm.
Doug Recker (CEO)
... is a big difference. Prime example, remember our pod model at 15 cabinets is $350,000-$400,000 a year. That's the goal, right? Out of that if you compare it to the GPU model, you know, 1 MW, you're at $1 million a year. So at 4.8 MW, you're now at almost $1 million a month. So why not build the pod bigger and take the customers that need that power? When all it is for us is at the factory, we just put bigger panels in. We-
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
When you say the same model-
Doug Recker (CEO)
Mm-hmm.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
You know, you've talked about, you know, the original, the founded version of this model going on kind of like two to three markets with little areas with it and like 500 mi of the data center.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Hey, Nico, you're cutting out. It's hard to hear you.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
Yeah.
Doug Recker (CEO)
You there?
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
I think I'm having a service here. I just wanna get like, do you have? It sounds like it totally depends on which unit to what the metrics are, or it looks much more standardized with the other version, original model.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Thank you.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
Um, and then-
Doug Recker (CEO)
I hear you.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
When you say the same model, are they going in the same locations where instead of it being a colocation where you still have the hospital and the school board?
Doug Recker (CEO)
Yeah.
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
It's in a little area, and you're just having it left available to be leased out eventually by maybe other businesses in that town. Now is it now that it-
Doug Recker (CEO)
Yeah. Yep. You're exactly right, Nico. That's exactly right. Our core customers are our anchor customers, which are education, healthcare, and then enterprise in that market, right? The carriers coming in to take space so they can peer and cross-connect to each other. You there?
Nico Sacchetti (Investment Advisor and Financial Planner)
Yeah.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Someone's cross-talking. I'm sorry about that. Yeah, Nico, if you can hear me, that's the original model, and that's why we're sticking with that model. We're just adding more capacity to bring those customers in that need higher density. We're always servicing that market, and that's what helps us get into those Tier 3 and Tier 4 markets, especially with permitting and everything, because we're low on the radar.
We're not 10 MW, 20 MW, 30 MW, 40 MW that they have to build out that's draining the community. We're going after power that's already there, that's in excess that the utility wants to make money on. In return, it helps the local community as well in tax dollars. They're actually welcoming us.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Carl Weiss with ForeFront. Please proceed.
Carl Weiss (VP)
Hey, Doug. How you doing?
Doug Recker (CEO)
Good, sir. How are you? Long time no see.
Carl Weiss (VP)
Yeah. I was wondering if, you know, you can kinda talk to, you know, at scale, you know, as you go into the second half. You know, what does the, you know, the model look like from a gross margin perspective? Then with all of the, you know, winding or selling the rail business and winding down the management contract, what kind of OpEx should we expect, you know, on a go-forward basis?
Doug Recker (CEO)
We'll talk real quick. Let me take over the rail. The rail business we're hoping to offload or, you know, decommission that biz, offload it in the next 60 days. That's the goal on that. There's no burn on that business for us right now, so hopefully we'll exit that. It frees up a lot of SG&A, so we'll obviously not carry that load of employees and all the other expense. That's a good thing. That should happen in the next 60 days. But that-
Leah Brown (CFO)
And-
Doug Recker (CEO)
I'll turn it over to Leah on your numbers there.
Leah Brown (CFO)
Sure. Carl, good afternoon. We should expect to see our gross margin improve the second half of the year. Just a reminder with the revenue recognition for some of our business lines, you are going to see that revenue recognized in the second half of the year. We're looking at gross margin, you know, around 7%-6%.
Carl Weiss (VP)
Growth margin, shouldn't it? Well, you know, the data centers themselves are what 70%-80% type growth margins?
Doug Recker (CEO)
Yeah.
Leah Brown (CFO)
Yes, exactly. We should see around, for gross margin, you're about $7 million, $6 million.
Carl Weiss (VP)
Oh, got it. Okay.
Leah Brown (CFO)
Towards the end of the year. Yeah, exactly. Just, you know, when we report here in May, you'll see our Q1. But you'll be able to see that revenue picking up in Q3 and Q4.
Carl Weiss (VP)
OpEx should actually be coming down at the same time.
Doug Recker (CEO)
The OpEx? Yes.
Leah Brown (CFO)
Yes.
Carl Weiss (VP)
Yeah. Okay. Just, Doug, as you sit here today, you know, how long do you think this demand environment, you know, will last?
Doug Recker (CEO)
I think the high demand, like what we're seeing now, like when I go to GTC and there's 21 people trying to talk to me to sign contracts, I think that is gonna be strong for the next three to four years. What's critical about our business is the main data centers that are out there, and I think we might have talked about this before, the main data centers that are out there are gonna look to us as a hub and spoke because they're gonna wanna capture those markets that we're in, like Dumas, like Corpus Christi, Lubbock. These Tier 3 markets that we're going in, they need to have compute out there. So does the mobile operators. When we go to, you know, 6G, we're at 5G, we're going to 6G now.
They need to compute out at the, what we call the eyeballs. All that data is gonna take a lot of fiber to get back, a lot of network, right? They want to be able to own that network and they wanna own that customer. The best way to do that is obviously buy these mini data centers everywhere, bring them back to the core, because to be honest with you, they're all going back to a core anyway. It makes complete sense. I think, you know, the growth is gonna be very strong and extremely strong in the 3 MW-10 MW range, because right now, and I just did this exercise for another potential client, he needed 2 MW worth of power. 2 MW, which doesn't sound like a lot nowadays, but it's a lot.
I couldn't find it throughout the country in one data center. I'm talking about a legacy data center. The market is looking past the need of the 10 MW-15 MW data centers. Prime example, like Johnson & Johnson, they keep their stuff at a local data center. They go to like a QTS. They go to a Flexential. That's where they house. They don't go to a hyperscaler. They don't go to these big ones they're building. We're losing sight that the demand is there and they're still growing. I think you're gonna see the market for the next five to 10 years focusing on that 10 MW-15 MW range. We have a long haul, but we do have to build quickly.
Carl Weiss (VP)
Thank you.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Yes, sir. Okay. Tell the operator one more question and that's it. Thanks.
Operator (participant)
Our next question comes from the line of Tom Leonard with River Bay Investments. Please proceed.
Tom Leonard (CEO)
Hey, Doug. Tom calling.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Sir, how are you?
Tom Leonard (CEO)
Doing great. You provided a lot of color on the GPU as a service, the economics, the revenues of that. I'm trying to think about the revenue exit run rate this year. Could you put more color on the high density EDC, how total megawatts and what's the revenue value per megawatt for that high density colocation customer versus the, you know, mission end GPUs that you purchased?
Doug Recker (CEO)
Sure. On the GPU model, let me back up. The goal for this year is to deploy 25 MW. Now that can be through, you know, 300 kW pod that we deployed. Right now we have 15 of them on the ground at 300 kW. But the total megawatts, 'cause that's what we're being judged by right now. Everybody's being judged by megawatts, not by kilowatts or cabinets. The plan is 25 MW. When we look at the GPU model, for every megawatt, we're looking at $2 million a year in revenue. That's right on the head. That's what they're billing, that's what the industry shows, and that's what we're building to. It obviously is a very strong model to house GPU for customers.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. With that concludes today's question and answer session. I'd like to pass the call back over to Doug for any closing remarks.
Doug Recker (CEO)
Well, I'd like to thank everybody for joining today and we look forward to speaking with you in Q1 earnings. Thank you so much for your time.
Operator (participant)
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