Emera - Earnings Call - Q4 2024

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Operator (participant)

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Emera Inc. fourth quarter 2024 annual financial results conference call. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Dave Bezanson, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Dave Bezanson (VP of Investor Relations)

Thank you, Jenny, and thank you all for joining us this morning for Emera's fourth quarter 2024 conference call and live webcast. Emera's fourth quarter earnings release was distributed this morning via Newswire, and the financial statements, management's discussion and analysis, and the presentation being referenced on this call are available on our website at emera.com. Joining me for this morning's call are Scott Balfour, Emera's President and Chief Executive Officer, Greg Blunden, Emera's Chief Financial Officer, and other members of Emera's management team. Before we begin, I'd like to advise you that this morning's discussion will include forward-looking information, which is subject to the cautionary statement contained in the supporting slide. Today's discussion and presentation will also include references to non-GAAP financial measures. You should refer to the appendix for reconciliations of historical non-GAAP measures to the closest GAAP financial measure.

And now I will turn things over to Scott.

Scott Balfour (President and CEO)

Thank you, Dave, and good morning, everyone. You'll have to forgive me this morning, I am sporting the tail end of a cold, so voice isn't quite what it is, and I may have to take a break for a cough. This morning we reported adjusted annual adjusted earnings per share of CAD 2.94. This is in line with both our 2023 adjusted earnings per share of CAD 2.96 and the benchmark for adjusted EPS growth guidance we shared last year. Our 2024 results were bolstered by a strong fourth quarter, where higher contributions from regulated utilities and lower corporate costs drove a 33% increase in quarterly adjusted earnings per share. Our portfolio of premium utilities, located predominantly in Florida, continues to show strong growth.

Earnings contributions have been increasing as we continue to make rate-based investments to support the significant population and economic growth happening across our jurisdictions, as we continue to advance our reliability and resiliency efforts, and as we work to meet government-mandated decarbonization targets. Adjusted earnings contributions from our regulated utilities increased more than 24% quarter-over-quarter and 6% year-over-year, despite the impact of lost earnings from the sale of our equity interest in the Labrador Island Link. In 2024, it was a significant year of progress for Emera, and I'm proud of what we accomplished. We began the year with a strategic plan focused on driving long-term value for our shareholders, to strengthen our balance sheet and credit ratings in order to reduce our cost of capital as we continue to pursue and invest in compelling growth opportunities across our portfolio.

A key focus of this plan involved a disciplined asset sales process and an optimized approach to capital allocation, and we delivered. We achieved numerous milestones that advanced our plan. We began with a sale of our equity interest in the Labrador Island Link in June, and we followed with the announcement of the sale of New Mexico Gas in August, which we continue to expect will close later this year. We also securitized more than CAD 600 million of unrecovered fuel costs at Nova Scotia Power. With these transactions, we more than doubled the expected proceeds from our asset sale program. The strategic reallocation of capital announced in June, including adjusting our dividend growth rate to 1%-2%, allows us to direct more of our growing cash flow towards our robust capital investment opportunities.

This action, coupled with a strong catalyst for growth we continue to see across the business and the constructive rate case outcomes achieved in 2024, reinforces our continuing confidence in our 5%-7% average adjusted earnings per share growth through 2027. The constructive rate case outcomes we achieved in 2024 included New Mexico Gas reaching an unopposed settlement agreement in March, approving $30 million in new rates that went into effect on October 1st, and in December, the Florida Public Service Commission issued its final decision on the Tampa Electric rate application, approving more than 99% of Tampa Electric's capital and operating spend. This resulted in $185 million of new base rates for 2025, based on a 10.5% allowed ROE, an increase of 30 basis points from the previous settlement.

In addition, the Commission awarded subsequent year rate adjustments of $87 million in 2026 and an additional $9 million in 2027 in support of capital projects completed after the test year. The stability provided by a multi-year rate plan enables the business to prioritize operational efficiency, which is critical to effectively managing costs for customers. This was a fair, balanced decision, which reflects the Commission's confidence in Tampa Electric to make wise capital investment decisions and to prudently manage costs for customers. In turn, this gives us confidence to continue investing the significant capital needed to support the region's growth and to continue to improve reliability and generate overall better outcomes for customers. Key indicators continue to show that Florida's economy is strong. Florida has the fastest growing population in the country, with even stronger growth in Hillsborough County projected over the next 10 years.

In 2024, Florida was also the number one state for net migration, and its GDP grew to $1.7 trillion, a 4% increase over 2023. The growth in Florida, coupled with a growing desire for natural gas, has accelerated demand of Peoples Gas at a rate of more than double the population growth. As a result, Peoples Gas expects to invest nearly $800 million in capital over the next two years to serve its existing and growing customer base with high levels of service and reliability. To support the demand of capital investment at the utility, a few weeks ago, Peoples Gas notified the Public Service Commission of its intention to file for $90 million-$110 million of new rates to be effective January 1st of 2026. They anticipate filing in March.

I'm proud of what the teams have accomplished this year, safely deploying more than CAD 3.2 billion in capital investment in 2024. This was our largest annual capital investment ever, resulting in roughly 7% rate-based growth year-over-year. Our capital plan continues to be focused on enhancing and expanding our infrastructure to deliver on customer needs today and in the future. Last year, Tampa Electric invested almost CAD 2 billion of capital on behalf of its customers. More than 10% of that capital supported the storm protection plan, which is pretty consistent with our level of investment in the plan over the last few years. The value of these investments for customers was evident in the aftermath of the back-to-back hurricanes Helene and Milton, with less system damage and faster restoration timelines than what otherwise would have been experienced.

Tampa Electric was recognized by the Edison Electric Institute for its impressive storm response effort, and despite these major storms, Tampa Electric still delivered another year of strong reliability performance in 2024 for its customers. To better support reliability and help manage customer costs, Tampa Electric continued to expand its solar fleet, adding an additional 100 MW of solar in 2024. This brought total solar capacity to more than 1,300 MW, or 19% of its generated capacity, and in 2024, 10% of Tampa Electric's energy came from the sun. Since we began investing in solar at Tampa Electric in 2027, these investments have saved customers more than $320 million in avoided fuel costs. At Peoples Gas, the roughly $450 million spent on capital in 2024 helped support customer growth and enhance fuel resilience.

The resiliency was highlighted during the active 2024 hurricane season, where, notwithstanding the devastation of these storms, fewer than 0.3% of customers experienced a gas service interruption, once again demonstrating the important role natural gas plays in the energy mix in Florida. Peoples Gas installed more than 500 million miles of new main and service lines to service more than 18,000 new residential and commercial customers. That represents more than 4% customer growth. At Nova Scotia Power, capital investment has been laser-focused on improving reliability. Last year, the team at Nova Scotia Power completed more reliability projects and more tree trimming than ever before in the company's history. This included replacing roughly 3,000 poles and trimming more than 650 kilometers of trees. The value of this work for customers is clear. In 2024, Nova Scotia Power experienced its best reliability year in 30 years.

On a weather-normalized basis, power was on more than 99.9% of the time in 2024, better than most across Atlantic Canada, and in fact, better than most across the country. Looking forward, we see incremental catalysts for growth in 2025 and beyond. In addition to the very strong rate-based growth driven by the economic and population growth across our jurisdictions, several key trends are converging to shape a new future for regulated utilities. Accelerating demand and evolving grid, decarbonization, electrification, and the increasing need for resilience against weather-related events require unprecedented capital investment to deliver the reliable energy our customers expect. Our five-year plan reflects all of this, and we believe that the need for this kind of investment will continue to be necessary for the foreseeable future. We continue to manage the pace of capital investment, keeping affordability top of mind.

Beyond what's embedded in our capital plan, we're exploring ways our utilities can support data center development in our jurisdictions. With low rates, strong reliability, and a supportive business environment, Florida is seen as an increasingly attractive location for data center investment, which would mean opportunities for Tampa Electric to service the load, as well as for Peoples Gas to provide required fuel for backup generation. In 2025, it seems clear we can expect our business to benefit from a strengthening U.S. dollar. We're based on our current hedge position for the year. Every penny change drives a penny change in adjusted EPS. As a result of the favorable tailwinds we're seeing in our business, including foreign exchange, we expect our adjusted earnings per share growth over the three-year guidance period to be somewhat front-loaded.

While we remain comfortable with our average 5%-7% guidance over the three-year period, we'll be disappointed if we don't see adjusted EPS growth that exceeds that range in 2025. Before turning it over to Greg, I want to express my thanks to our team for their hard work and agility in 2024. We've unquestionably positioned Emera well for the future. We accomplished a lot in 2024, and I'm proud how the team continues to rise to the challenge and set a high bar to deliver for our customers and investors. Emera and its operating companies are well equipped to navigate the evolving landscape of the utility sector and to capitalize on emerging opportunities. And with that, I'll turn it over to Greg to take you through our financial results.

Greg Blunden (CFO)

Thank you, Scott, and thank you all for joining us.

This morning, we reported fourth quarter adjusted earnings of CAD 246 million and adjusted earnings per share of CAD 0.84. This compares to CAD 175 million and adjusted earnings per share of CAD 0.63 in the fourth quarter of 2023. For the year, adjusted earnings increased 5% to CAD 849 million from CAD 809 million in 2023, and adjusted earnings per share were relatively in line with the prior year at CAD 2.94 as compared to CAD 2.96 in 2023. Before turning to the drivers of our financial results, I want to briefly walk through some of the adjustments to reported earnings this quarter, which were largely driven by the recently enacted excessive interest and financing expenses or EIFEL legislation.

The implementation of EIFEL drove a tax recovery related to a specific financing structure and its windup, and an incremental tax recovery associated with the sale of our equity interest in Labrador Island Link, both of which are non-recurring in nature. Unrelated to EIFEL, during the quarter, we discontinued the operations of Block Energy and, as a result, recognized some windup costs related to that process. While a net positive to earnings, we have excluded all of the above items from adjusted earnings to best present the ongoing operations of our business. Turning to cash flow, our operating cash flow before changes in working capital was impacted by the storm cost deferral at Tampa Electric, as well as fuel deferrals at both Tampa Electric and Nova Scotia Power.

At the end of 2024, Tampa Electric filed an application with the FPSC for recovery of approximately $464 million in storm costs incurred primarily during hurricanes Milton and Helene, as well as to replenish the storm reserve. Earlier this month, the FPSC approved the recovery over a period of 18 months beginning on March 1st. While the typical recovery period for storm costs in Florida is 12 months, we are supportive of the Commission's decision to modestly extend the recovery period to manage the cost impact to our customers. When normalizing for fuel and storm regulatory deferrals, operating cash flow before changes in working capital increased 7% to $2 billion, primarily driven by new rates of Peoples Gas and New Mexico Gas and continued customer growth across our Florida utilities.

This was partially offset by transaction costs and lower contributions from the sale of our equity interest in Labrador Island Link, as well as lower contributions from Emera Energy. In 2024, we successfully executed on our strategic plan and, in doing so, improved our credit metrics by more than 100 basis points. Looking forward, I want to reiterate what I said at our investor day in December. There can be no question about our ability to achieve threshold credit metrics this year. With $185 million in new rates in effect at Tampa Electric, to expect a close of the New Mexico Gas transaction later this year, and other catalysts for growth, namely lower corporate costs. We were pleased to see that last month, S&P returned our outlook to stable in recognition of our successful efforts to deliver and reflecting confidence in our cash flow growth for 2025.

While we can't control the timing, we are confident that our actions today and the visible cash flow growth positions us well for Moody's and Fitch to also return our outlooks to stable sometime this year. Turning to our quarterly results, increased contributions from all of our regulated utilities and lower corporate costs drove a 33% increase in adjusted EPS this quarter. Robust performance from our gas utilities was a key driver of growth in the fourth quarter, with U.S. dollar contributions increasing by more than 40% or $18 million. This was driven by higher earnings at both Peoples Gas and New Mexico Gas as a result of new base rates. Favorable weather and customer growth increased contributions from our Caribbean utilities and Tampa Electric during the quarter. At Tampa Electric, the impact of new rates and customer growth was partially offset by lost load during Hurricane Milton.

Contributions from our Canadian utilities were positively impacted by an income tax recovery recognized at Nova Scotia Power. This was driven by the use of tax loss carryforwards to offset the taxable income that was created upon the reduction of a regulatory fuel deferral balance in the fourth quarter. While the impact was recognized in 2024, this would otherwise have been recognized over the forecast period as the outstanding fuel balance was recovered from customers. This was an expected recovery that was reflected within our outlook for Nova Scotia Power this year. The higher contributions from Nova Scotia Power were partially offset by the decreased contributions resulting from the sale of our equity interest in the Labrador Island Link. Quarter-over-quarter, corporate costs were favorably impacted by the recognition of a deferred tax asset.

The recently enacted EIFEL legislation created more taxable income in 2024 and allowed us to take advantage of tax loss carryforwards that were previously not recognized. Prior to the enactment of EIFEL, we were conservative in not recognizing the tax benefits related to all of our corporate costs and corporate interest expense. And with the changes, we are able to do so and expect reductions in our corporate tax expense of approximately $2 million-$4 million per quarter on an ongoing basis. For the quarter, this was offset by timing difference in the valuation of our long-term compensation and related hedges. And finally, less favorable market conditions and the recognition of investment tax credits at Bear Swamp in 2023 drove lower earnings from Emera Energy compared to Q4 2023.

Many of the drivers for the quarter are the same as they are for the year, but there are a few items I'd like to highlight. For the year, the strengthening U.S. dollar had a more meaningful impact on the earnings from our U.S. utilities, driving a CAD 0.05 increase in adjusted EPS compared to 2023, and as Scott mentioned, based on our current positions for 2025, every one-cent change in the Canadian-U.S. dollar foreign exchange rate will have a roughly one-cent impact on our adjusted earnings per share. Excluding the impact of foreign exchange, earnings from New Mexico Gas for the year decreased modestly due to lower AMA revenues when compared to a very strong 2023.

Contributions from our Canadian utilities decreased year-over-year due to the sale of our equity interest in the Labrador Island Link, which was more than offset by higher contributions from Nova Scotia Power, and lastly, I want to highlight that while the timing differences in the valuation of long-term compensation and related hedges created some volatility in our fourth quarter results, as expected, there was no impact on adjusted EPS year-over-year. We have made a modest technical change to our plans that will significantly reduce the quarterly volatility that we have recently experienced, and with that, I'll turn it back over to Scott.

Scott Balfour (President and CEO)

Thank you, Greg. As mentioned earlier, in 2024, we successfully executed on a strategic plan that strengthened our balance sheet and optimized our portfolio. We have a strong story, focused on Florida, with some of the best assets in the North American utility sector.

It's a pivotal time in our industry to invest in growing demand, resilience, and efficiency. We're ready to meet this moment and are focused on executing on the robust growth opportunities across our portfolio to deliver for customers and shareholders alike, and now we'd like to open the call for questions.

Operator (participant)

Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Should you have a question, please press the star followed by the one on your touch-tone phone. Questions will be taken in the order received. Should you wish to cancel your request, please press the star followed by the two. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. Once again, that is star one. Should you wish to ask a question? Your first question is from Robert Hope from Scotiabank. Caller, your line is open.

Robert Hope (Director, Equity Research)

Good morning, everyone.

The first question's on Nova Scotia. The budget's out there. You have received some regulatory approvals there. You are looking to see the allowed or the earned ROE to be below the band in 2025. How do you think about measures or the path forward to get earned ROEs in the band, and when could we expect new rates?

Peter Gregg (President and CEO)

Hi, Rob. It's Peter from Nova Scotia Power. Good morning. We know we do what we do need to be on a path to rates, but we also know that we need to balance that with what our customers expect, which is reliable and affordable power. And so we'll continue to look for the right approach to this, but working with stakeholders, which includes the provincial government, to make sure that we do have that focus on reliability and affordability going forward.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Your next, sorry, go ahead.

Scott Balfour (President and CEO)

No, I just wanted to make sure that we didn't lose everybody on the line. My apologies, Jenny.

Operator (participant)

All right. Your next question is from Maurice Choy from RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Maurice Choy (Equity Analyst)

Thanks, Jenny. Good morning, everyone. I just wanted to come back to a comment you had in the prepared remarks, and apologies if I misheard this, but I think you mentioned that due to the FX tailwinds, you'd be disappointed if the 2025 growth does not exceed the implied 5%-7% three-year CAGR. Assuming that's right, I just wanted to know if there are any headwinds that you may see or are watching out for. And just to be clear, when you make that comment, are you using the $2.94 EPS in 2024 as your base? Because obviously, that includes the two tax benefits at the Emera corporate.

Scott Balfour (President and CEO)

Yeah, Maurice, Scott again.

Yes, I mean, we've really benchmarked against 2.96, which was what we referenced in June, or 2.94 for 2024 was in pretty tight to that, but continue to stick with our 5%-7% guidance over through to the 2027 period. Yes, you heard correctly saying with the tailwinds that we're seeing, we would expect 2025 to be stronger than that 5%-7% range. We'll be disappointed if we're not exceeding that 5%-7% range. In terms of tailwinds, look, if FX goes the other way, if we have significantly unfavorable weather, it would be the sort of normal items that might impact things if there was a headwind. But right now, we're feeling pretty comfortable with the 5%-7% guidance over the three-year period.

We remain very comfortable with that and are encouraged at what we're seeing as it relates to our expectations for 2025.

Maurice Choy (Equity Analyst)

Thanks for that clarification. And just to finish off, you mentioned that Florida may be an attractive location for data center development. Just curious, within your five-year plan last year, how much, if any, data center-related investments do you have baked in there? And if not much, any thoughts on what the size of this option could be?

Peter Gregg (President and CEO)

Yeah, Maurice, it's Gregg. In our five-year capital plan, we don't have anything related to capital investments to support data centers. Our sense is if we see something from a data center perspective, it'll be more modest compared to what you see in some jurisdictions, but it would certainly be helpful a couple of years out from a load perspective, but certainly wouldn't necessarily drive any capital investment.

Maurice Choy (Equity Analyst)

Yes, sir. Thank you.

Peter Gregg (President and CEO)

You're welcome.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Your next question is from Mark Jarvi from CIBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Mark Jarvi (Equity Research Analyst)

Thanks, everyone. Just wanted to dig into the June 23rd hearing for New Mexico Gas approval. What would be the expectation on the timelines and the path and next steps beyond that for approval?

Peter Gregg (President and CEO)

Yeah, Mark, it's Gregg. Yeah, the schedule is starting to become clear, but irrespective of whether it goes through a fully litigated process in New Mexico or like many change of controls in the state that often get done through settlements, we still think it'll be probably towards the end of the third quarter before we have resolution. Both of those paths, the difference in timing would only be, I believe, a matter of weeks.

Mark Jarvi (Equity Research Analyst)

So there's no settlement discussions that are ongoing at this point now that you can table when it comes to the June hearings?

Peter Gregg (President and CEO)

Settlement discussions are part of the process there, but even if there was a settlement, the commission would still have to hear that settlement and opine on it. That might shorten the process by a few weeks, but it would be weeks, not months.

Mark Jarvi (Equity Research Analyst)

Understood. Then just want to dig into a couple of the outlook statements in the MD&A. One is that earnings for NSPI should be comparable to 2024. Just curious if that reflects the tax recovery that benefited the 2024 numbers, which I think for your numbers is CAD 160 million adjusted earnings. Then the other one would be that you'll be sort of at the bottom end of the ROE band of Peoples Gas.

Any risk you go below and then to stay at that level, is there sort of some plans on deferral of some OpEx or CapEx to manage the ROE earlier this year?

Peter Gregg (President and CEO)

Yeah. So Mark, first on Nova Scotia Power, the short answer is yes. That includes our adjusted earnings for this year, and that's what we're referring to when we say we expect it to be relatively consistent next year. On Peoples Gas, just the growth we're seeing and the capital investment we have to make, we don't really. There's not a lot of flexibility in that. We're investing this capital for the benefit of our customers and keeping pace with the customer growth that we're seeing. But we're pretty comfortable where we'll be from a range perspective. Obviously, again, weather can impact it a little bit.

The team down there, that's why they've had to file for rates, and the full application will be made in March. In the interim, we'll be doing everything they can to manage their cost profile, both from an operating capital perspective, to make sure we stay in our band in 2025.

Mark Jarvi (Equity Research Analyst)

Sounds good. Thanks, everyone.

Scott Balfour (President and CEO)

Thanks, Mark.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Once again, please press star one should you wish to ask a question. Your next question is from Ben Pham from BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Ben Pham (Managing Director, Pipelines, and Utilities Analyst)

Hi, good morning. I just want to touch base on the tax conversations. I just want to clarify on the corporate expense side. It sounds like all the tax losses that you've had, you've basically accelerated that, and on a go-forward basis, you get a benefit. Is there any other moving parts outside of that?

Scott Balfour (President and CEO)

No, that's effectively right.

I think we've taken a prudent but conservative approach in the past to the extent that if we had corporate costs that are tax-deductible, we haven't been recognizing the deferred tax asset on it because we didn't necessarily have the visibility on utilization of those. With the changes with EIFEL, we will now be able to tax-affect those items as you would traditionally expect. So that'll provide a little bit of a tailwind going forward, probably to the tune of CAD 2 million-CAD 4 million a quarter, Ben.

Ben Pham (Managing Director, Pipelines, and Utilities Analyst)

Okay. I got it. And then also in that segment, with Block Energy, maybe just give us an update on what happened there. Is that just simply just taking the loss out of future years then on a year-over-year basis?

Scott Balfour (President and CEO)

Really, it just depended on just a provision to reflect the wind down of that business.

We all along were optimistic about the technology and the opportunity within the market. The reality is that the external environment to Block Energy changed dramatically over the last 12-24 months, both as it relates to capital funding in that tech sector and, frankly, even as it relates to sort of the push around decarbonization in some markets and changing tax legislation. So we just made a very difficult decision against a business that we'd put a little bit of heart and soul into over the last few years and thought had some promise that its near-term viability was challenged. And our focus is on making sure that we're delivering on our earnings per share growth guidance and continuing to maximize returns and value for shareholders, and had to make the difficult decision that we'd move on from that business, and therefore we took the provision in.

Greg Blunden (CFO)

And Ben, if I could add, so as you're well aware, it has been a bit of a drag on EPS over the last couple of years. And so obviously, going forward, we won't have that same experience.

Ben Pham (Managing Director, Pipelines, and Utilities Analyst)

Okay. Got it. And maybe one last question on the credit rating side of things. You go through the conversations, you had the TEP rate case successful. And is it really just more of agencies getting some visibility on the New Mexico sale? That's a big triggering point for them on the decision.

Scott Balfour (President and CEO)

Yeah, I think that's probably the largest gating item for the last two agencies that haven't moved us back to stable yet, Ben. But so we're very confident we're not losing any sleep over whether or not New Mexico is going to close. We're very confident in that process.

But I think a combination is we continue to print much stronger credit metrics every quarter on a trailing 12 months. I think that'll also be helpful. But yeah, we believe the work has been done. That's why you can detect my extreme confidence that we'll get to where we need to be in 2025.

Ben Pham (Managing Director, Pipelines, and Utilities Analyst)

Okay. Got it. Thank you.

Scott Balfour (President and CEO)

Thanks, Ben.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Your next question is from Patrick Kenny from National Bank Financial. Your line is now open.

Patrick Kenny (Managing Director, Energy Infrastructure)

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Maybe just Greg on the FFO to debt ratio. Can you just clarify how you're normalizing for the mismatch in FX rates just in terms of the debt at year-end translated at $1.44, I believe, versus cash flows coming in at a lower rate?

How are you thinking about that going forward with respect to the 100 basis point decline or, sorry, improvement in ratio?

Greg Blunden (CFO)

Yeah. We talk about the improvement and our expectations for 2025, Patrick. We're normalizing for FX that whatever the average rate is for the year that we're translating our cash flows, that should be done for the debt as well. There's nothing particularly unique about the FX rate at December 31st for debt. None of our debt matures on December 31st, obviously. That is one reconciling item that we're still working through with the agencies on 2025 or, sorry, 2024. There's also the treatment of the fuel securitizations in Nova Scotia Power, storm costs at Tampa. There's a number of items in 2024 that we're still working through how the rating agencies are going to treat it.

But as we look forward and those things are all normalized, we're assuming that FX doesn't have any impact on our credit metrics.

Patrick Kenny (Managing Director, Energy Infrastructure)

Okay. Thanks for that. And then, Scott, maybe you mentioned the evolving fluid situation with how the grids are evolving over time. And obviously, a lot of opportunities ahead of you from different avenues. But given capital is somewhat finite here, could you perhaps just provide us with your prioritizing or ranking in terms of grid reliability, modernization versus decarbonization versus affordability type initiatives?

Scott Balfour (President and CEO)

Yeah. And it's a good question, Pat. Thank you for that because it's one that has had a lot of discussion and debate, as I'm sure you know, often referred to as the energy trilemma. How do you balance all three of those things? Investments required for reliability, investments required for decarbonization, and keeping rates affordable for customers.

Look, from a decarbonization perspective, the reality is we really are just executing government policy on decarbonization. We're not driving investments specifically to decarbonize. We will make investments that are the most cost-effective for customers while ensuring that we are meeting whatever climate policies are in place, either legislatively or by regulators. In terms of the priority, as you say, as we hear from our customers, the first priority would be reliability, and a very close second would be affordability. Those are the two most important. Within that, to the extent that we can make decarbonization investments that help with affordability, we will obviously do that. We'll also obviously make the decarbonization investments that we're required to in order to comply with government policy, which would largely be with Nova Scotia Power, where there'd be both federal and provincial requirements in terms of meeting decarbonization.

Patrick Kenny (Managing Director, Energy Infrastructure)

Okay. Great. Thanks for that. Last housekeeping item, just any update on the timing for the dual listing on the NYSE?

Scott Balfour (President and CEO)

Yeah. We're still working through it, Patrick, but it'll be in the spring.

Patrick Kenny (Managing Director, Energy Infrastructure)

Okay. Thank you. I'll leave it there.

Scott Balfour (President and CEO)

Okay. Thanks, Patrick.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to Dave for the closing remarks.

Dave Bezanson (VP of Investor Relations)

Thank you, Jenny. And thank you all for your interest in Emera. Please feel free to reach out to the investor relations team if you have any follow-up questions. Thank you all, and have a great day.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, the conference has now ended. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.