Entergy - Earnings Call - Q2 2025
July 30, 2025
Transcript
Speaker 4
Good morning, my name is Greg and I will be your conference operator today. At this time I would like to welcome everyone to Entergy's second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question during this time, simply press Star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. Once again, Star one. If you'd like to withdraw your question, press Star one again.
Speaker 1
Thank you.
Speaker 4
I will now turn the call over to Liz Hunter, Vice President of Investor Relations for Entergy Corporation.
Speaker 1
Liz, good morning.
Speaker 0
Thank you, Greg, and thanks to everyone for joining this morning. We will begin today with comments from Entergy's Chair and CEO Drew Marsh. Kimberly Fontan, our CFO, will review results in today's call. Management will make certain forward-looking statements. Actual results could differ materially from these forward-looking statements due to a number of factors which are set forth in our earnings release, our slide presentation, and our SEC filings. Entergy does not assume any obligation to update these forward-looking statements. Management will also discuss non-GAAP financial information. Reconciliations to the applicable GAAP measures are included in today's press release and slide presentation, both of which can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website. Now I will turn the call over to Drew.
Speaker 2
Thank you, Liz. Good morning, everyone. Today we are reporting second quarter adjusted earnings per share of $1. Our progress through the first half of the year keeps us firmly on track to achieve 2025 results. In line with our guidance, we are raising our outlooks driven by our higher capital plan to meet customer expectations. We aspire to be the premier utility and to create sustainable value for each of our key stakeholders, our customers, employees, communities, and owners. Our customers are listed first, so I'll start there. We have over 3 million customers and most of them are residential. For the first time since we began tracking Net Promoter Score, we achieved a result that ranks in the first quartile for utility residential service over the past 12 months across our enterprise and using J.D. Power data. We're not first quartile in every jurisdiction or in every category.
Still, we are excited about our progress and we are energized by the opportunity ahead to further improve our service to our customers. Our industrial growth opportunities remain robust. We continue to work with state and local leaders to attract businesses to our service area with our economic development model driven by our vertically integrated customer-focused electric company with welcoming communities and the economic advantages of the Gulf South. We provide one-stop shop technical solutions while we bring key parties together to rapidly meet the needs of new customers. At the same time, we ensure strong protections for our existing 3 million customers and maintain our credit. Today we are pleased to announce that we have secured significant new growth in Arkansas that will bring benefits to existing customers as well as communities in the state itself.
With this addition, we expect our four-year industrial sales growth rate to be approximately 13%, consistent with our practice. We aren't commenting further on specifics or customers, although we anticipate making regulatory filings soon which will include additional details. We are updating our four-year capital plan to $40 billion, which will enable us to reserve increased load and grow our renewable portfolio across our jurisdictions. As a point of reference, we have signed roughly 8 gigawatts of electric service agreements since the beginning of last year. As a result, our four year capital plan includes significant investment for customer driven generation, including approximately 3 gigawatts of solar, 1.4 gigawatts of battery storage, and 8 gigawatts of highly efficient gas units. Some of these resources are planned to come online beyond our four year plan period.
During the last quarter, we disclosed that we entered into an exclusivity agreement for Power island equipment including 15 combined cycle combustion turbines and two simple cycle combustion turbines as an addition to the Orange County Delta Blues Legend projects. Collectively, these turbines provide 15 gigawatts of capacity. That leaves 7 gigawatts for future customer growth needs with deliveries for commercial operations between 2029 and 2031. Our strategy to use standardized equipment and designs helps us effectively manage cost and schedule for our customers. Our customer pipeline continues to be robust, including our data center pipeline which remains in the 5-10 gigawatt range, and significant interest remains in our traditional industrial segments as well. Our economic development model attracts large new customers that contribute to our communities, growing jobs and tax base. They also share in costs that would otherwise be covered by existing customers.
The economic impact of these projects on our communities is substantial and yet another sign to existing customers and potential customers that great things are happening in Entergy's service area. While we've made progress on our customer service, storms create moments that matter. We spoke to you at our Analyst Day last summer about our plans to better manage storms. One year removed from that conversation and in the heart of storm season, take a moment to review our progress. To start, we are executing phase one of our accelerated resilience program. We have more than $2 billion approved, mostly in Entergy Louisiana.
To date, we've invested roughly $400 million, and that includes energizing nine new substations designed to sustain both flooding and hurricane force winds, installing over 8,000 hardened poles while another 10,000 pole upgrades are in process, which is on top of the average annual run rate of 75,000 poles replaced system wide. In the coastal region of Texas, we've rebuilt two short transmission lines to hardened standards. Earlier this month, Entergy Texas submitted its application for the Texas Energy fund to support $200 million of resilience projects. We expect to complete about 30% of our phase one projects by year end. As a reminder, we prioritize projects with the highest benefits, so these earlier projects will have a relatively higher impact. We plan to file later this year for the next phase of accelerated resilience to support continued progress.
In addition to our accelerated resilience program, new transmission investments built to today's more stringent standards also improve the resilience of our grid. For example, we have several large 500 kV transmission projects in front of regulators in Louisiana and Texas that will provide resilience benefits while also supporting growth. The Mount Olive to Sarepta line in North Louisiana, a line along the West Bank of the Mississippi River in Louisiana through a growing industrial corridor, the Southeast Texas Area reliability project or CTEx, and the Cypress to Legend line will support strong growth in the Port Arthur area. These projects and the Babel to Weber line in Louisiana to be filed later this year, total 460 mi and will represent about 20% of our 500 kV system.
Once completed, these projects will also loop existing transmission lines such that if an event occurs at any point in the loop, power will be automatically diverted in another direction, avoiding customer outages. Altogether, we are planning $8 billion of transmission investment in our four year capital plan, including $5.6 billion reviewed through MISO's MTEP process. In addition to system improvements, we ensure that we are prepared for storms through planning drills and vegetation maintenance. Technology is also part of the journey and we've been experimenting with cameras and information systems on planes and drones, and soon helicopters that fly power lines to gather data with a plan to ultimately feed AI, more quickly assess damage, and optimize the productivity of our teams on the ground. Capital deployment is critical, but it takes more than that to be premier.
To that end, our Power Delivery team is launching PD Strong, short for Power Delivery Strong, to transform our Power Delivery team. This includes everything from work management and capability building to behaviors and culture, all with an eye towards better serving our customers. Every day but especially in moments that matter, like storms. Our regulators are also supporting our storm response improvement efforts. In addition to approving resilience investment, Louisiana and Texas implemented new processes to expedite storm securitization, allowing operating companies to request recovery based on estimated storm costs and accelerated commission timelines for decisions. Those commissions, of course, retain their authority to determine the prudence of utility storm costs and estimated costs would be trued up to actual costs once available.
Louisiana's expedited process for 2025 storm costs includes a commitment to review the storm cost related financing order request at the subsequent commission meeting after the utility filing. Accelerating storm cost recovery reduces carrying costs for our customers and supports the operating company's credit, which also keeps the cost for capital lower for our customers. This new process also gives confidence to vendors and mutual assistance partners that support storm recovery. Finally, as we deploy our capital plan throughout our service area, a smaller and smaller percentage of our infrastructure is exposed to storms along the coast, reducing our relative financial risk which benefits our customers as well as our owners. These actions continue to build on our improved balance sheet and strong liquidity.
We have made good progress over the last year reducing storm risk through accelerated resilience, hardening of our grid, financial readiness and regulatory changes to improve outcomes for customers, and we have more plans for improvement still ahead. Meanwhile, we stand ready to respond for anything that comes our way. We have some other operational achievements I'd like to also highlight. On July 1, we completed the sale of our gas LDC businesses to Delta Utilities. The transition for customers was smooth because of the hard work and planning by many employees, including those who have moved to Delta Utilities. We are extremely grateful for their efforts. The sale of that business allows us to focus on our core electric business. Safe and effective nuclear operations also remain a cornerstone for all stakeholders. This year, Waterford 3 and Grand Gulf are proudly celebrating 40 years of operations.
The Waterford 3 refueling outage wrapped up in June on time and on budget. Work included replacement of all three low pressure turbines which will improve reliability and pave the way to increase the capacity of the unit by an estimated 40 megawatts in the fall of 2026. We've already filed the upgrade request with the LPSC. Additionally, planned turbine rotor replacements in ANO1 in the fall of this year will set us up for future upgrades there. We continue to engage with customers, regulators, vendors, and others regarding new nuclear, though we do not have any updates to report at this time. Turning to regulatory, we are making progress on important matters to meet customers' growing needs and drive improved customer outcomes.
In early July, we reached a stipulated settlement with the Louisiana Public Service Commission staff and a number of parties recommending approval of our request to invest in assets to support adding Meta's transformational Hyperion Data Center to our system. The hearing was held in mid July. We presented extensive evidence of the significant benefits to our customers and communities from making these investments as well as through bringing Meta online as a customer. These benefits are in addition to the transformative benefits that Meta will create through its billions of dollars of investment in Louisiana and the high-paying, good quality jobs it will provide. The procedural schedule supports Commission decision no later than October of this year.
Speaker 1
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Speaker 2
Mississippi Public Service Commission approved Entergy Mississippi for the rate plan settlement which did not result in a rate change. Also, Entergy Louisiana and Entergy New Orleans filed their annual formula rate plans and new rates are expected in September, Entergy Arkansas filed its annual Formula 8 plan with new rates expected to be in place at the beginning of next year. This is the 10th and final projected year in the current cycle and in February 26th we will file a base rate case which will include a proposal for a new formula rate plan tariff. At the federal level, FERC approved MISO's expedited resource addition Study or ARAS proposal last week. We appreciate FERC's work to temporarily facilitate customer growth across MISO while we all work together to improve MISO's existing queue processes.
Last quarter we covered Arkansas legislation that allows for a rider to support investment for economic development. This quarter, the Texas Legislature passed and the Governor signed three bills that provide benefits to our customers and communities. One accelerates storm securitization, which I mentioned earlier. Another allows rider recovery of MISO related capacity costs that are currently included in base rates. The rider may be filed annually beginning in 2026. The third is a wildfire bill that provides a potential path to improve wildfire liability. While our likelihood of experiencing wildfires is lower than in other parts of the state, we take the risk seriously and intend to use the new tools that are available. Finally, our communities are a key stakeholder and actively supporting them beyond economic development is an important part of our strategy.
Entergy has once again been named a top 50 most community minded company and the leader in the utility sector by the Civic50, an initiative of Points of Light. In 2024, our employees and retirees contributed more than 122,000 volunteer hours across our service area valued at over $4 million. Before I wrap up, I'd like to highlight that Lewis Roth has been elected to our Board of Directors. A Louisiana native, Lewis brings extensive investment experience from his years of work at Barrow Hanley. Historically one of our largest active investors at Barrow Hanley, he worked as their Lead Equity Portfolio Manager and also served on the Executive committee. Combined with his prior work experience, Lewis has tremendous familiarity with utilities as well as industrial companies, many of which are part of our customer base. We are very excited to have Lewis join our board.
It's been an exciting quarter. We continue to make progress on creating value for our customers, communities, employees and owners. Our teams are working very hard to foster community and economic growth and customer growth in our states while also delivering on commitments made to improve resilience and reliability. I'll now turn the call over to Kimberly who will review our financial results for the quarter.
Speaker 1
Thank you, Drew. Good morning everyone. Today I will review our financial results for the quarter, our capital plan update, and our guidance and outlooks. I will also cover effects from the final budget reconciliation bill, starting with earnings. Our adjusted EPS for the quarter was $1.05. This result keeps us firmly on track for our guidance for the year. Adjusted EPS is shown on slide 5. Primary drivers were the net effect of investments made for our customers, higher retail sales volume, and higher other income. These increases were partially offset by higher other O and M, consistent with the estimate we provided last quarter, and higher MISO capacity costs at Entergy Texas, which are currently recovered in base rates. New legislation allows those costs to be recovered through a rider beginning in 2026.
Earnings contribution from retail sales volume was positive despite weather being milder than the second quarter of last year. Weather adjusted retail sales growth for the quarter was very strong at 4.5%. Industrial sales were the largest contributor with close to 12% growth, primarily from new and expansion customers that continue to ramp up their operations. Slide 6 summarizes our credit ratings and affirms that our credit metric outlooks remain better than agency thresholds. Over the past several years, we have strengthened our balance sheet to support our operations and the growth opportunity before us. Our liquidity as of June 30 is very strong, including $2.3 billion of unsettled equity forwards which are available if needed. Turning to tax credits, with the passage of the most recent budget reconciliation bill, we now have better clarity on renewable tax credits and we have adjusted our cash flow forecast.
Our forecast includes updates to the timing of monetization of investment tax credits associated with projects that we expect to safe harbor. The changes include shifting our expected tax credits out one year. We now have approximately $175 million of cash benefit in 2028 and additional cash benefits beyond our outlook period. We continue to monitor for treasury guidance that could affect these cash flows. As you may recall, we previously had not included the cash benefits from nuclear PTCs in our forecast. However, based on our current analysis in the quarter, we recorded nuclear tax credits of approximately $570 million across our five nuclear units. We treated the recognition of these credits as an uncertain tax position. Pending either guidance from the Treasury Department on the calculation or final determination on audit. We expect to monetize the nuclear PTCs and receive the cash benefit later this year.
We are working with our regulators on how and over what time period we provide this benefit to customers. As you can see from the chart on slide 7, the nuclear PTCs are highly dependent on the average revenue per megawatt hour, which includes both capacity and energy revenues and therefore we are not counting on these credits for future years in our outlooks. Our credit outlooks provided include these changes and our estimated Moody's metric continues to grow to 15% over the forecast period. As Drew noted and as shown on slide 8, we are increasing our four year capital plan by $3 billion including new renewables and battery storage to meet customer needs. We're also providing updates on retail sales, growth rate, base credit metrics and operating cash flow as well as operating company capital plans in the appendix of our presentation.
As you can see on slide 9, our equity needs are unchanged despite the higher capital investment. Higher operating cash flow, including monetization of nuclear PTCs and utilization of Arkansas's new infrastructure rider allows us to maintain our financial metrics and current equity needs. As a reminder, we've contracted approximately two-thirds of our equity needs through 2028. In the second quarter we settled approximately $800 million of equity forwards or about 15.6 million shares and we used those funds to continue to invest for our customers. As shown on slide 10, we are affirming our adjusted EPS guidance and updating our longer term outlooks for 2025. We're firmly on track. Positive year to date results allow us to flex other O&M to manage the business.
Looking ahead to the third quarter, we expect other O&M to be roughly $0.05 higher than the third quarter of last year partly due to the timing of vegetation maintenance and non-nuclear plant outages and we expect Entergy Texas to have higher MISO capacity costs in July and August totaling approximately $0.06. We remain confident that we will deliver on our 2025 guidance. Looking past 2025 at our longer term outlooks, we continue to see growth as evidenced by our higher capital plan, our adjusted EPS for 2026 remains unchanged and we are increasing 2027 by $0.05 and 2028 by $0.10 while maintaining strong credit metrics throughout the forecast period. Our results in the first half of this year have been solid and we are once again raising our capital plan to support our growing customer needs.
We still have significant opportunities before us and we remain well positioned to execute and deliver successful outcomes. The Entergy team is available for questions.
Speaker 4
Thanks, Kimberly. Again at this time I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Once again, star one. In the interest of time we ask that you please limit your questions to one primary and one follow up question.
Speaker 2
Thanks in advance.
Speaker 4
We'll pause just a moment to compile the Q and A roster. All right, it looks like our first question today comes from the line of Jeremy Tonet with JPMorgan. Jeremy, please go ahead.
Speaker 2
Hi, good morning.
Exciting update. There is a lot of interest in this new Arkansas customer and appreciate somewhat limited in what you can say at this point, but just wondering if there's any color you could share with regards to the industry of the customer or even the ramp. It seems like not a lot of change to sales growth through 2028. Just curious, any shades of color you could provide in the post-2028 ramp, what that might look like?
Yeah, I think, I do not think we can talk specifically about the customer or any customers. I guess consistent with where we have been, Jeremy, and our previous announcements, we are sticking with the filings and the filings should be out in the next two to three weeks is where we are aiming and that will have a lot of the kind of detail I think that you would be looking for with that question.
Got it. Makes sense there. I just wanted to pivot, I guess, to the gas generation, you know, picture that you have there, and I think you referenced 7 gigawatts of gas generation available for new load. Is this after the Arkansas project, or would some of this be dedicated to Arkansas? Just trying to understand how that falls out.
That is related to projects that we have not announced to date or that you are not aware of. You know, if you think about the projects that are out there, we have three projects in Texas, two in Arkansas, three in Louisiana, two in Mississippi, and then I think there is one more that is in our capital plan that is not publicly announced. The 7 gigawatts would be other projects beyond those that are not in our capital plan but are out there and available for us to serve new customer growth that we anticipate will be an opportunity for us going forward, given our strong pipeline.
Got it. Makes sense. We'll wait for more details. Thank you very much.
Thanks, Jeremy.
Speaker 4
Thank you, Jeremy. Our next question comes from the line of Nick Campanella with Barclays. Nick, please go ahead.
Hey, good morning. Thanks for all the updates.
Speaker 2
A lot of stuff here.
So.
Yeah, just wanted to ask, just you talked about Meta a little bit in the prepared remarks. Have you already started the regulatory approval process for the upsizing of Hyperion to the five gigs like they've been talking about, or is that still on the come?
We haven't started any process and we couldn't comment on that anyway. You'd have to ask Meta on their exact plans. You know, the filings that we have are related to the, to the previous announcements that we've already made starting last fall. That's where we sit. Overall, today we are excited that Meta is talking publicly about the potential for expansion at that Hyperion site. That's one of the reasons why they chose that site. We're excited to hear. Not just us, I'm sure Richland Parish is excited to hear that. State of Louisiana is excited to hear that. You know, we don't have anything else to say about the potential for expansion today.
Okay.
No, I appreciate that.
Thank you.
Just on the new nuclear side, just outside of the up rates, you know, I know you said no major updates, but just has the conversation pulled back a little? Where would you kind of put that now or frame that now if you had to kind of mark to market it? What is the ideal framework in your mind if you were to kind of move forward with this? Are you expecting a hyperscaler or a large load customer to take on construction risks before this could be transferred to rate base? How do you kind of think about the ability to grow this generation while keeping the risk profile acceptable to the various constituents?
Thanks, that's a great question, Nick. I mean, the way that we're thinking about it is that our operating companies aren't big enough to take on the kind of risk that, you know, may occur during construction of the nuclear units. And so we are looking for ways to manage that risk. It could be in part from the customers, but the customers don't want to take on a whole lot of uncertainty either. So we're working through that. You know, there's the potential for state or vendor or federal support to help with the risk profile there. There's even some conversations that we've been a part of about sovereign funds and others, you know, picking up some of those risks. But that's, you know, you get the idea that you need a really large balance sheet in order to make that happen.
And there are people that are thinking about it. And so we're working through those conversations, but it's taken a while to put it all together.
Understood. Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Speaker 4
Thanks, Nick. Our next question comes from the line of Julian Dumoulin Smith. Julian, please go ahead.
Hey, thank you, Robert. Thank you, team. Nicely done. Again, maybe to follow up on the earlier question Jeremy was kind of posing to you. I mean, it seems like you have these 15 combined cycles and two CTs secured with deposits, it seems, versus what's in the plan, maybe to press a little bit further. There's upside outside of the plan that you're alluding to, but it seems like you guys have made tangible actions. If you can elaborate maybe as best you understand and see it from your customers, the timing and magnitude of some of these opportunities, it does seem as if you're certainly advanced. I appreciate you would be advanced considering the commercial needs of your customers to act decisively, but I'd love to hear how you think about this coming together, if you will.
Speaker 2
I mean, the timing of that would be such that we would have plants online with that additional. I mean, the 8 gigawatts of the 15 is very clear. That is in our capital plan. You can see that the additional 7 gigawatts would be for COD between 2029 and 2030. That is consistent with the disclosures that we had previously made. The turbine deliveries themselves would be a little bit before that and then the plants would come online, you know, nine to 12 months after the turbine deliveries. That sort of gives you a framework for what we are talking about so you could see incremental capital should all this stuff come together as we are aiming for, near the back end of our forecast period.
Excellent. Just to reconcile, I know you guys are updating here on the nuclear PTC benefits and that seems to go hand in glove with some of the updates you're providing here. How do you think about that fitting into the financing plan, if you can speak to it, not just in terms of what you're recognizing here with the $570, but writ large across the opportunity of the PTCs, how that fits into, you know, the pie charts that you show about equity needs.
Speaker 1
Good morning, Julene, it's Kimberly. As you know, we have worked to use a variety of ways in order to manage the equity that we need. As we add capital, we would look to do the same thing. We have done that through incrementing cash flows through mechanisms that, for example, throw cash out during construction that actually save costs for customers over the longer run, but also support our credit in that period. We have done that with customer service support as they ramp up. There are a variety of ways that we have done that. We will continue to look to do that and manage our equity needs. We will evaluate each of the finances as we add capital and see what we need to do there.
Our plan does continue for what we have here to target that same 10-15% run rate that we have had for the last couple of years.
Speaker 2
Got it?
Yep, understood. All right, I'll leave it there. Nicely done. Congrats again.
Incredible.
Looking forward to more.
Excellent. Thanks, Julian.
Speaker 4
Yes, thank you, Julian. Our next question comes from the line of Bill Abler with UBS. Bill, please go ahead.
Speaker 2
Hi, good morning. Just following up on that equity needs question. I mean, as we think through the update today and the CapEx increase with no additional equity, I mean, how much additional headroom would you say you have before you would need to contemplate issuing equity in terms of the CapEx upside?
Speaker 1
Yeah, good morning, Bill. Again, I would. We have assumed in the base plan that run rate that I referenced about 10-15% and any additional capital that we would increment, we would look at what that means relative to the cash flows that it's throwing off, any other mechanisms, and then what that equity need is. I think about it less as, you know, what specific room and more about that's the framework and how we think about our equity, and we'll continue to think about it that way.
Speaker 4
Okay.
Speaker 2
On the tariff structure in Arkansas for the new large load customer, maybe you could speak to that, the structure of that relative to other customers. The tariffs work in Louisiana, maybe just any color there in terms of, you know, you spoke to the favorable mechanisms in Arkansas.
Speaker 1
Yeah, we won't speak specifically to customers, but as it relates to the infrastructure rider, that may be what you're asking about. The Arkansas legislation did issue legislation around a new infrastructure rider that provides for timely recovery of large transmission and generation. It provides for good credit support during the period. It also enables Arkansas to continue to grow from an economic development perspective beyond its 4% cap. Really nice mechanism there for all parties as we think about how to use that.
Speaker 2
Okay, great. And then just on the mentioned nuclear, but specific to the UP rates, just remind us if there's anything in the plan for that and what would be the magnitude in terms of megawatts or CapEx opportunity associated with the upgrades?
Speaker 1
Yeah, the Waterford UP rate is not significant capital dollars, and those capital are, you can assume those are in the forecast.
Okay.
Speaker 2
Anything in terms of beyond that, what is sort of the opportunity set that's out there?
Speaker 1
Yeah. As we said, each of those upgrades needs to stand alone from a business case perspective. To the extent that they are, some are more expensive than others, and to the extent that there are significant capital investments, if the decision is made to move forward, there could be some incremental capital there.
Speaker 2
Yeah. I'll add to that, Bill, that we are talking with potential customers about those upgrades and so we would be looking for customer support for them as we go forward at the same time.
All right, great.
Thanks very much. Thank you.
Speaker 4
Thank you, Bill. Our next question comes from the line of David Arcaro from Morgan Stanley. David, please go ahead.
Hey, thanks so much. Good morning. I was wondering if you could elaborate on what boosted the cash flow, the operating cash flow outlook cumulatively through 2028. Was that all the Arkansas Rider and the Nuclear PTC, one year of that?
Speaker 1
Yes, David, those are the primary drivers is riders or mechanisms that enable good credit support during the construction period. Obviously the large nuclear credits that were earned in 2024 and we expect to monetize this year, those are the two primary drivers.
Okay, great, thanks. And then maybe just looking ahead a.
Speaker 2
Little bit in Arkansas, as you think.
About the next rate case filing, would you anticipate major changes at this point?
In terms of what you'd be requesting.
For the next kind of iteration of formula rate plans? Any reflection on the current plan and how it's worked and if anything major.
Needs to be changed?
Looking ahead.
Thanks. Yeah, so we are, you know, we are starting to gear up for that. I do not think we are in a spot to start talking about it just yet. The teams are thinking through, you know, what our needs are going to be moving forward. I will say, you know, generally the formula rate plan that we have in Arkansas has been pretty successful and so we have been. These latest legislative changes that support economic growth have really helped us out in ways that were not really contemplated in the original order. I think those are probably the starting points for us. A pretty good mechanism to begin with that is forward looking. The component that we have recently added through legislation to support economic development within the state, but more to come on that one.
Okay, understood.
Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 4
Thanks, David. Our next question comes from the line of Ross Fowler with Bank of America. Ross, please go ahead.
Morning, Drew. Morning, Kim. Drew, you highlighted a lot of transmission CapEx that's been the plan and that's moving through that MISO MTEP process. Can you remind us what the next phase of that process is and when we get updates on that, kind of some color around what the CapEx upside could be there?
Speaker 2
The next submittal will be this fall and so we probably have some updates on what we put in at that point. I think there's probably an approval coming up, but I don't have that timing off the top of my head from previous filings. Our next submittal would probably be this fall.
Okay, perfect. And then following on to Nick's earlier question a little bit, you know the Meta approval process in Louisiana, you're expecting that decision to come in October as we look to, not necessarily Hyperion, although that would be great if that's out there. As you look to other large load opportunities in the state, can you kind of just contextualize, give us some color around what were, from your perspective, the main intervener concerns through that process?
The main intervener concerns are the traditional ones.
Speaker 4
Right.
Speaker 2
What are the impacts on customer bills and are there going to be reliability impacts or resilience impacts associated with that? When we look at the Meta project and I made these comments in my earlier remarks, we see strong benefits for existing customers that come from a number of different places. First of all, just from a cost perspective, these are standard tariffs, so they're picking up a big chunk of costs that our existing customers would already otherwise pick up. Costs associated with storms, costs associated with some of the MTEP transmission that I was talking about, costs associated with overheads. Those things are going to be helpful for our existing customers. The other thing that I wanted to make sure that we were pointing out was the resilience benefits that come from the building of these new assets.
You know, particularly, you know, we talked about the CTEX and the Babel to Weber lines. That's a 500 kV system that basically is going to come from the north side of Baton Rouge across Louisiana into Texas and then basically down into the north side of Houston, the Conroe area. That is a big line, 500 kV. It could carry a lot of capacity and it could be built to modern standards. It's going to loop all the transmission that's along the coast that's traditionally been pretty exposed to hurricanes and will give. It'll create a very robust grid for our customers along the Gulf Coast. We're excited to get that and it's a really big benefit for our existing customers. Those are the kinds of questions that our customers have been asking in the regulatory processes pretty much across the board.
Okay, thanks, Drew, for that, very much. Appreciate it.
One other thing, one more thing to that, Ross. You know, in our various regulatory approval processes, no one is disputing the need for new capacity or really the need for new transmission in the transmission space. You know, the conversation or it's not even a risk. The conversation is around what's the best route to pick. That's what most of the conversation has been about. In the generation space, it's about who is actually picking up the cost and what are the benefits associated with that investment. So there is strong agreement that these assets are needed. It's more of a question around how are we going to manage them, where they're going to go. Those are the primary questions, more about.
The how and the where than the what we need.
Yes.
Thank you very much.
Appreciate it.
Speaker 4
All right, thank you, Ross. Our next question comes from the line of Steve Fleishman with Wolfe Research. Steve, please go ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 2
Hey, good morning. Thanks for the updates. Could you, Drew, you went quickly through the changes on the storm recovery, I guess, particularly the Louisiana.
Could you just kind of go through?
That again quick and also just is it something that the rating agencies have said anything on in terms of kind?
Of further risk reduction?
I'll defer the question about rating agencies to Kimberly, but in terms of the things in Louisiana, I think it was maybe late onto the month before there was an order from the bench that did not go through a regular process. We have a request out there for regular, through sort of regular order to consider a long term solution for more rapid securitization. From the bench to get it in front of 2025, they created a mechanism that would allow us to recover our securitization costs more quickly. The mechanism will allow us to submit estimated costs for securitization in prior to or in a meeting, make a filing, and then the filing would be considered by the commission at the subsequent meeting. Very fast turnaround is what the expectation is.
The point of that is to create benefits for customers because that reduces the carrying costs for our customers because the full weighted average cost of capital would not be the carrying cost anymore. It would be the securitization rate, which of course is a triple A rate, which is going to be a much lower rate. The other benefits that I mentioned were the potential for a lower cost of capital because the agencies should see that as very positive. Lastly, we have a lot of vendors, particularly for a large storm, that may be concerned about the credit worthiness of the company. This should give them a lot of confidence that the company is going to be able to stand behind whatever the storm costs are. I'll turn it over to Kimberly. She can comment about the credit piece.
Speaker 0
Yeah.
Speaker 1
As we talk to the rating agencies about the improvements in the financial space regarding storms, they view that as very positive in the ability to return that cash quicker, much quicker than what we have had previously. Positive outlook there.
Speaker 2
That should also help us with our credit metrics too, because, you know, as you know, Steve, historically when we've had a very long time between the time of the storm and the time of the securitization, you know, our credit metrics will dip and this should shorten that quite a bit. Great. And then one other question, just on the gas build, I mean, you're probably going to be the largest builder of new gas plants late this decade. So just aside, in addition to the turbines that you've locked up, how are you feeling about the EPC and just overall ability to get all these projects done on time and budget? Yeah, that's a great, that's a great question, Steve. We've been working hard to be prepared for that. A couple of things that we've done.
Certainly we have strong relationships with EPCs and we have a lot of actual working experience with them given the building that we've done recently with the J. Wayne Leonard plant, Lake Charles plant and Montgomery County plant. Of course, the Orange County project is under construction right now, expected to be online hopefully next spring, certainly before next summer. We have a lot of good existing relationships. We have a lot of working experience on getting this stuff built and online. We're leveraging that. We are also utilizing a simpler standard design. We're building two on one stations. We simplified it to one on one. We're using Mitsubishi's larger turbines, which allows us to do that. There are probably more projects, but they're easier to build.
We expect to, as we go through, we expect to learn more and pick up speed and find ways to lower cost at the same time. The last piece I'll mention is, you know, we are working hard through the supply chain so we have access to other critical equipment, you know, things like transformers, large high voltage breakers and other pieces of equipment that are critical for us to maintain our timelines. We have line of sight on all of that. The things that we don't have 100% locked up generally are available to us in many different ways. We have confidence that we'll be able to get that done. Those are just a few of the things that we're thinking about. But you know, we have confidence that we can manage through making all this happen. Great, thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 4
Thank you, Steve. Our next question comes from the line of Sophie Karp with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Sophie, please go ahead.
Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. Congrats on a great update here. My question is about, I guess, how storms and data center customers are going to coexist in your territory. Clearly that does not seem to be a huge concern for them because customers are willing to come into your territory. Is there an incremental opportunity for you to address here? Presumably they would need very reliable power. Are they interruptible? Maybe. How do you think about it? How do your customers think about that? It is an incremental opportunity for storm hardening or some backup generation that you might be providing for them.
Speaker 2
Thanks. Thanks, Sophie. And good morning to you as well. Yeah, that's a great question. I think the customers themselves start by locating further away from the coast. Where these data center customers are showing up, and we have two examples at this point, Meta and Amazon in Mississippi. They're further away from the coast. The Meta project is in northeast Louisiana and the Amazon project is on the north side of Jackson, Mississippi in two locations. They are further away from the coast. Of course, we're building generation to support them, which is further away from the coast as well, along with some of these 500 kV lines that we're talking about, which are further away from the coast. I gave you the example of the Sea Tex and the Babel to Weber line. Those are further away from the coast. That's really the strategy right now.
It's to use modern, more, I guess, modernized equipment that is built to the more stringent standards that we have for storms and wind loadings and things like that, and to build it just simply further away from the coast where the risk is going to be reduced.
Got it.
Speaker 0
Thank you.
That's all for me.
Speaker 2
Thank you.
All right.
Speaker 4
Thank you, Sophie. Our next question comes from the line of Anthony Crowdell with Mizuho. Anthony, please go ahead.
Hey, good morning, Drew. I just have a follow up from Nick's question. Probably very easy. I think Nick had asked about, like, a new nuclear deal, and you mentioned the importance of a bigger balance sheet. You threw out maybe a state solution, a federal solution, or maybe the hyperscale or even sovereign wealth. If you had a pick of those options or the options you spoke about, which one's in the lead or which one do you think is more likely to go ahead with a new nuclear deal? Like what builds the next nuclear plant in your jurisdictions?
Speaker 2
You know, I wish I knew I could give you a good answer for that. We are talking with all of the above on that stuff, but I do not have one that I would lean on at this point. We're looking for one of them to come through for us is basically the conversations that we're having. We're stretching the boundaries in order to see if we can find somebody that can step up to help us with that particular risk by bringing in other kinds of folks that have the kind of balance sheet that we would need to make sure that this happens. We haven't cracked the nut yet. I don't have a good answer for you, Anthony. We're still working on it.
Speaker 4
Great.
That's all I had. Nice quarter. Thanks for taking my question.
Speaker 2
Thank you.
Speaker 4
Yes, thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Angie Storozynski from Seaport Research Partners. Angie, please go ahead.
Thank you. So I have two questions.
Speaker 1
One about.
Residential sales being weak, weather normalized residential sales being weak this quarter and basically flattish year to date despite some uptick in the customer account count. I'm just wondering if, you know, we're seeing this from other companies as well. You know, the residential sales typically have a higher margin. I'm just asking, you know, is it a weakening economy? Do you incorporate that in your, you know, future earnings trajectory? Secondly, just wondering, you know, we're seeing this inflation in the cost of new build for gas plants. You know, you have this, you know, basically, you know, framework of an agreement for the equipment supplier. With the equipment supplier. I'm just wondering how you're managing the cost and its reflection in any future data center deals.
Thank you.
Good morning, Angie. I'll start with your residential sales question. You may recall in the first quarter our residential sales were really strong. When we saw that, we looked at how those came out over the course of the year and what you've seen is a little bit of that coming back a little softer in the second quarter. Over the full year we're about flat. I think you're just seeing some volatility in the data, not a real pattern, nothing that we have baked in or expect to see over the long time. You're just seeing some variances month over month that isn't an indicator of an overall weakness. As it relates to inflation on the cost of new build, we certainly have continued to work to manage the cost of increases related to all of our investments.
We have a lot of continuous improvement efforts both on the capital and on the O and M side to try to manage those costs. We have mechanisms within various contracts that enable us to manage those costs. It depends by customer, but obviously we are very focused on affordability for our customers and working to manage the overall cost. We continue to be quite competitive on our new build cost relative to what you're seeing as sort of the industry estimates.
Great. Just one quick follow up. I'm just looking at the RE rating of your stock and how it should have impacted your dilution math in your growth rate. I'm just wondering if you've already captured it in this updated plan for the EPS growth. The fact that you're basically issuing equity at a, at a much higher price than likely initially anticipated.
Angie, as you know, we've sold forward into 2027, so we've got what we, what our forward contracts are assumed and then what we need in 2027 and 2028, we have a price assumption, but certainly to the extent that the price moves in a positive direction, that's helpful relative to dilution on an ongoing basis. Great, thank you.
Speaker 4
All right, thank you, Angie. Our final question today comes from the line of Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Paul, please go ahead.
Hey, good morning.
Speaker 2
Just following up on your comments about safe harboring and the way the bill is currently constructed and just on the July 7 executive order.
Have you guys had any sense as?
To what we might see coming out of that? If you have, could you share it with us? Also, how do you think about any potential changes that the executive order might cause? How are you guys managing that or how are you thinking about that in terms of going forward and your activities?
Speaker 1
We're certainly engaged, Paul, with our industry partners and other companies around understanding what could come out, but I don't have any specific insights that I can share on that. As far as safe harboring, we have worked within the existing rules to do what we need on the projects in order to safe harbor those. If the executive order and the outcome of that changes that, we'll obviously need to make adjustments, but we'll have to see what those are specifically. We've been working for the last couple of months to make sure that we could meet as much of our renewables could be safe harbored as possible under the rules that we have. We continue to watch for what else may change there and we'll adjust as we need to.
Speaker 2
Okay, great. Thanks a lot. Thank you.
Speaker 4
Thank you, Paul. That does conclude our Q and A session today. At this time I will turn the call back over to Liz.
Speaker 0
Thank you, Greg, and thanks to everyone for participating this morning. Our quarterly report on Form 10Q is due to the SEC on August 11 and provides more details and disclosures about our financial statements. Events that occur prior to the date of our 10Q filing that provide additional evidence of conditions that existed at the date of the balance sheet would be reflected in our financial statements in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles. Also, as a reminder, we maintain a webpage as part of Entergy's investor relations website called Regulatory and Other Information, which provides key updates of regulatory proceedings and important milestones on our strategic execution. While some of this information may be considered material information, you should not rely exclusively on this page for all relevant company information. This concludes our call. Thank you very much.
Speaker 4
Thanks, Liz. Again, this concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.