Fidus Investment - Q2 2023

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Operator (participant)

Good morning, and welcome to the Fidus second quarter 2023 earnings conference call. I will now turn the call over to Jody Burfening.

Jody Burfening (Managing Director)

Thank you, Savi, good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for Fidus Investment Corporation's second quarter 2023 earnings conference call. With me this morning are Ed Ross, Fidus Investment Corporation's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Shelby Sherard, Chief Financial Officer. Fidus Investment Corporation issued a press release yesterday afternoon with the details of the company's quarterly financial results. A copy of the press release is available on the Investor Relations page of the company's website at fidus.com. I'd also like to call your attention to the customary safe harbor disclosure regarding forward-looking information included on today's call. The conference call today will contain forward-looking statements, including statements regarding the goals, strategies, beliefs, future potential operating results, cash flows of Fidus Investment Corporation.

Although management believes these statements are reasonable based on, as of today, August 4, 2023, these statements are not guarantees of future performance. Time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate at the time of any telephonic or webcast replay. Actual results may differ materially as a result of risks, uncertainties, and other factors, including but not limited to, the factors set forth in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Fidus undertakes no obligation to update any, any of these forward-looking statements. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Ed. Good morning, Ed.

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Good morning, Jody. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to our second quarter 2023 earnings conference call. On today's call, I'll start with a review of our second quarter performance and our portfolio at quarter end, then share with you our outlook for the second half of 2023. Shelby will cover the second quarter financial results and our liquidity position. After we have completed our prepared remarks, we'll be happy to take your questions. For the second quarter, we continued to enhance the earnings power of our healthy and high-performing portfolio by further building our portfolio of income-producing assets and benefiting from a widened spread. We grew our total portfolio to $928.7 million on a fair value basis at quarter end, putting a fair amount of capital to work in a reasonably active second quarter.

Although deal activity is still spotty, our relationships with deal sponsors, experience, and industry knowledge continue to enable us to invest selectively in companies with predictable revenues, strong cash flow generation, and positive long-term outlooks that meet our strict underwriting standards. In addition, we continue to generate adjusted net investment income well in excess of the base dividend for the quarter. Adjusted net investment income, which we define as net investment income, excluding any capital gain incentive fee attributable to realized and unrealized gains and losses, increased 50.1% to $15.6 million or $0.62 per share, compared to $10.4 million or $0.43 per share last year. Interest income increased due to growth in our debt portfolio and a debt yield that expanded 260 basis points to 14.5% compared to the second quarter last year.

We paid dividends totaling $0.70 per share, consisting of a base dividend of $0.41 per share, a supplemental dividend of $0.19 per share, and a special cash dividend of $0.10 per share. As a reminder, we are distributing a special cash dividend of $0.10 per share each quarter this year to satisfy RIC requirements and to bring our spillover income in line with our target level.

For the third quarter, on July 31, 2023, the Board of Directors declared dividends totaling $0.72 per share, consisting of a base dividend of $0.41 per share, a supplemental dividend of $0.21 per share, equal to 100% of the surplus in adjusted NII over the base dividend from the prior quarter, and a special cash dividend of $0.10 per share, which will be payable on September 27, 2023, to stockholders of record as of September 20, 2023. Net asset value is $483.3 million or $19.13 per share as of June 30. Originations for the quarter totaled $95.8 million, about two-thirds of which, or $64.6 million, was invested in five new portfolio companies that were added to the portfolio through M&A financing.

Drilling down further, we invested a total of $47.2 million in first lien investments in four of the five new portfolio companies. The remaining portion of originations was invested in add-ons in support of our existing portfolio companies. We continued to build our portfolio of debt securities that generate recurring interest income and co-invested in equity securities as a means of adding a margin of safety and creating the opportunity to enhance returns. We received proceeds totaling $60.6 million, primarily from the exit of four companies, including $7.6 million in proceeds from equity sales, resulting in net originations of $35.2 million for the quarter. Our portfolio of debt investments on a fair value basis grew to $808.3 million, or 87%, or 87% of the total portfolio at quarter end.

First lien investments continue to account for the largest piece of the debt portfolio at 65%, including the fair value of our equity portfolio of $120.4 million. The fair value of the total portfolio at quarter end stood at $928.7 million, equal to 103.7% of cost, and representing a 3.5% increase compared to the end of the first quarter. We ended the second quarter with 79 active portfolio companies and two companies that have sold their underlying operations. Subsequent to quarter end, we invested $19 million in first lien debt, subordinate debt, and equity in a new portfolio company. Overall, our portfolio remains healthy from a credit perspective, and for the most part, our portfolio companies continue to perform well.

As always, there are some puts and takes that you would expect for a portfolio of our size. A few portfolio companies have been struggling, while others have seen improved performance and outlooks. To that end, we removed Allredi from nonaccrual during the quarter and placed Vertex on nonaccrual. Allredi is performing materially better and has a positive outlook, while Vertex has had a few hiccups, but we expect performance to improve in both the near and medium term. In addition, we wrote off our investment in EbLens and recognized an $11.5 million loss. As of June 30th, nonaccruals represented 1.5% of the total portfolio on a fair value basis.

Looking ahead to the second half of 2023, we continue to see ample opportunities in the lower middle market to invest in high-quality companies that possess defensive characteristics, strong cash flow generating business models, and positive long-term outlooks, further building our debt portfolio and co-investing in equity investments. With a healthy and growing portfolio of debt investments generating strong recurring income, we remain positioned to generate adjusted NII growth well in excess of base dividends. As always, we intend to adhere to our proven investment strategy and to remain focused on our long-term goals of growing our net asset value over time, preserving capital, and generating attractive risk-adjusted returns for our shareholders. Now I'll turn the call over to Shelby to provide some details on our financial and operating results. Shelby?

Shelby Sherard (CFO)

Thank you, Ed. Good morning, everyone. I'll review our second quarter results in more detail and close with comments on our liquidity position. Please note, I will be providing comparative commentary versus the prior quarter, Q1 2023. Total investment income was $30.6 million for the three months ended June 30th, a $1.5 million increase from Q1, primarily due to a $0.8 million increase in interest income, including PIK, and a $0.8 million increase in fee income, given higher originations and a $0.4 million prepayment fee, slightly offset by a $0.1 million decrease in dividend income. The increase in interest income was driven by an increase in average debt investment balances outstanding, as well as an increase in the yield on our debt investments, given increase in interest rates on variable rate loans.

Total expenses, including income tax provision, were $13.8 million for the second quarter, $0.6 million lower than Q1, driven primarily by a $1.3 million decrease in the accrued capital gains incentive fee, offset by a $0.4 million increase in interest expenses related to incremental debt outstanding, both SBA debentures and borrowings under our line of credit, and a $0.4 million increase in the base management and income incentive fees. We ended the quarter with $478.6 million of debt outstanding, comprised of $182 million of SBA debentures, $250 million of unsecured notes, $30 million outstanding on our line of credit, and $16.6 million of secured borrowings. Our debt-to-equity ratio as of June 30th was 0.99x, or 0.6x statutory leverage, excluding exempt SBA debentures.

The weighted average interest rate on our outstanding debt was 4.5% as of June 30th, 2023. Net investment income, or NII, for the three months ended June 30th, was $0.67 per share versus $0.59 per share in Q1. Adjusted NII, which excludes any capital gains incentive fee accruals or reversals attributable to realized and unrealized gains and losses on investments, was $0.62 per share in Q2 versus $0.60 per share in Q1. Turning now to portfolio statistics as of June 30th. Our total investment portfolio had a fair value of $928.7 million. Our average portfolio company investment on a cost basis was $11.3 million, which excludes investments in two portfolio companies that sold their operations or are in the process of winding down.

We have equity investments in approximately 75.3% of our portfolio companies, with average fully diluted equity ownership of 3.2%. Weighted average effective yield on debt investments was 14.5% as of June 30th versus 14.3% at March 31st. The weighted average yield is computed using effective interest rates for debt investments at cost, including the accretion of original issue discounts and loan origination fees, but excluding investments on nonaccrual, if any. Now I'd like to briefly discuss our available liquidity. As of June 30th, our liquidity and capital resources included cash of $38 million, $8 million of available SBA debentures, and $70 million of availability on our line of credit, resulting in total liquidity of approximately $116 million. Now I'll turn the call back to Ed for concluding comments.

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Thanks, Shelby. As always, I'd like to thank our team and the Board of Directors at Fidus for their dedication and hard work, and our shareholders for their continued support. I will now turn the call over to Savi for Q&A. Savi?

Operator (participant)

It is now time for the Q&A session. The floor is open. To ask a question at this time, please press star one on your telephone keypad. If at any point you would like to withdraw from the queue, please press star one again. Our first question comes from Robert Dodd with Raymond James.

Robert Dodd (Director of Specialty Finance)

Congratulations on another good quarter. Kind of the market environment, are you, at the smaller end of the market, your core market, it does seem there's more activity still than there is in the larger company end? Are you seeing any shift in competitors, maybe looking at, you know, hey, deals are still happening at smaller companies and more people coming into it?

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Yeah, great question, Robert. I think, yeah, just to talk about the market for a second. You know, we, I think we commented on this, on our call last quarter, but, you know, deal flow did pick up, call it, you know, late spring, if you will. You know, it was a, you know, what I would say a decent quarter or, or pretty good deal flow, but the, the quality was hit or miss. You know, that trend somewhat continues. There are ebbs and flows. The summer is a little slower. You know, our current expectation is for, you know, post Labor Day to pick up a little bit from a seasonal perspective. I'd say overall, in our market, deal flow is decent. There are, you know, plenty of folks that do want to consider selling or transacting.

Then there's also a fair number as well that are saying, "Okay, you know, valuations are a little lower, inflation's gotten in the way, interest, total interest expense or interest rates have gotten in the way of, you know, peak valuations, and I'm gonna wait." So there's a little bit of both going on, but in our market, there continues to be what I would say, ample or decent flow, and there are transactions to pursue. So we are trying to find the best ones and the highest quality ones to do that with. So that's how I think about that. From a competitor perspective, I do think there's a little inching down by some of the larger providers of debt capital, but we're not, it's not really impacting us.

We haven't lost a deal to someone that's a surprise, for instance, but I, I am aware of some inching down, you know, both on the private equity groups as well. There's some private equity groups that are inching down into smaller companies than they usually would. It's an interesting market, but I do think the lower middle market is more active than the big market, for sure. Hopefully, that's helpful.

Robert Dodd (Director of Specialty Finance)

Got it. That, yeah, that is very helpful. Thank you. Then just on, on the, you, you had the new nonaccrual. I, I didn't write down the name, sorry, but you said expect near medium-term improvement. How, maybe not specifically that, where there's some incremental relative underperformance by the company, how are the interactions with sponsors going on that right now? I mean, are they willing to step up promptly and make changes or put in more capital or whatever? Are they holding their ground a little bit more?

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Sure. Another great question. You know, what I would say, you know, when I look at our nonaccruals, just to hit it because you asked about it, you know, we have two operating companies on nonaccrual. One is, you know, Suited Connector, which was on last quarter as well. Just to hit it, it's a digital lead generation platform focused on the mortgage, the home services, and the insurance verticals. Consumers looking to comparison shop, provide information via company-owned websites. You know, the company's owned by a sponsor. The sponsor is very active and has been active from a capital perspective as well. Look, that's a tough, tough market, if you think about the mortgage market right now, and probably caught all of us a little by surprise.

Robert Dodd (Director of Specialty Finance)

Yeah.

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

The goal of all the capital structure constituents, including the, the financial sponsors, is to get to the other side. That is what, you know, they're doing, and it's what we're doing as well. In that case, yes, we've got a supportive sponsor. Do they love, you know, providing incremental capital? No. It's, it's somewhat, you know, if there's a reason to play for the long term, what we find is a almost all situation sponsors, you know, play for the long term. Then Vertex is a bit of a one-off situation as well. That's the new nonaccrual. You know, it's a manufacturing company that's focused on applications in the defense space and, and different government platforms. So it's a, it's electronics manufacturing. Good, good end markets.

It's a company of size and owned by a sponsor, and the sponsor is supportive there as well. Did have some hiccups, but we believe in the, the near and the medium-term outlook. You know, we think those are positive, is what I would say.

Robert Dodd (Director of Specialty Finance)

Got it. Thank you.

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Good talking to you, Robert.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Mickey Schleien with Ladenburg.

Mickey Schleien (Managing Director of Equity Research)

Yes, good morning, everyone. Ed, are you seeing any incremental opportunities for Fidus from the pullback of regional banks? You know, how is that impacting, you know, the sort of structures of deals that are, you know, your sweet spot currently and the terms that you can get on those deals?

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Sure. Great question, Mickey. We are seeing incremental opportunity, you know, just to, to provide capital where banks may have done so previously. That has been an opportunity. You know, we're not seeing a flood of them, but it's definitely a part of the market at this point. What I'd say with regard to our first out, last out product, where we do work with banks, it is, you know, still an active market, but the aggressiveness of the banks has greatly reduced, is what I would say. It's not getting in the way of our business, but, you know, what I would say is they are less active from a leverage perspective.

Pricing's similar, but they, as you might imagine, they're interested in, in good companies, and they're interested in companies that have deposits. There's, there's interesting pieces of the, of the puzzle, but we are finding ways to continue to pursue, pursue those structures, and we'll plan to continue to do so as we move forward. It is a bit of a sea change. Not a huge change, but somewhat of a change from their aggressiveness.

Mickey Schleien (Managing Director of Equity Research)

Okay, I, I understand. That's helpful, Ed. Ed, given the, you know, to follow up on, on Robert's question, you know, spreads have been generally hanging in there despite the rise in LIBOR and so forth. I'm just curious whether you're seeing that attract some sort of irrational private capital at the margin. You know, we've seen that before, and whether those folks are, you know, starting to show up and, you know, cause some dislocation.

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

When you say irrational, private, I just want to make sure I'm following the question. You mean people in our capital structures of our investments, or?

Mickey Schleien (Managing Director of Equity Research)

No. Competitors that might be offering deal terms that you, you don't think are appropriate risk-adjusted returns for the borrowers.

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

I gotcha. Yeah, generally speaking, the answer to that is no. I think what we are seeing primarily is, is, is pretty good discipline across the board. You know, I think banks obviously are looking for more yield. The, the Fincos, the CLO finance businesses, are, are being quite disciplined relative to previous periods. I think they have less capital. They're being less aggressive as well, by a long shot, some of them being almost out of the market. You know, I think BDCs are, are, are being very rational from our perspective.

Then SBICs, down in the very low end of the market, we don't compete a lot against them, but a little bit, and sometimes you find them doing things that, that they'll accept yields that are lower than you might think they would, you know, for an equity investment if, if you will. There's a little bit, but it's not the norm, and it's not really greatly impacting our, our business by any stretch of the imagination.

Mickey Schleien (Managing Director of Equity Research)

Well, thank you for that. My last question, Ed, you, you mentioned CLOs and, and, you know, the more, broadly syndicated market. We're sort of seeing, you know, bifurcation in those markets where, you know, you have half of the portfolios doing well in terms of revenues and EBITDA and margins being sustainable, and the other half not so well. Are, are, are you seeing sort of the same bifurcation in the middle market and lower middle market? You know, how concerned are you with those trends, in relation to your own portfolio?

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Sure. Great, great question. You know, from, from our perspective, what we're seeing is, is kind of slow growth or even still seeing pretty good growth in the portfolio. If I were to look at EBITDA this quarter, as a portfolio, and this is absent the ARR loans and the, and the, the large company that skew the analysis. Our EBITDA grew about 2% this quarter. On an annualized basis, that'd be eight. We're still seeing overall, you know, pretty good performance. You know, I'd say, you know, slow, slow growth is, is generally the, the theme. We are obviously paying very close attention to the portfolio. Interest expense is higher, right?

You've got to pay attention and make sure cash flows are, are where they need to be. Not every company is doing great. Don't, don't get me wrong. I think 55% of our companies grew EBITDA this quarter. Most were very stable. I mean, our leverage, if you look at that metric, went down from 4.04x to 3.9x. EBITDA for the portfolio grew, I, I really feel like there's pretty good stability out there. You know, where the, the issues are, and it's always the case, there's one or two companies that have had some events happen that, that you've got to manage through. Those are the tougher situations which we, we spend a lot of time on, obviously. Thankfully, that's a very small number in our portfolio and, and something that we believe is manageable as well.

Mickey Schleien (Managing Director of Equity Research)

I appreciate that. Those are all my questions this morning. Thanks for your time, as always.

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Yeah, thank you, Mickey. Good talking to you.

Mickey Schleien (Managing Director of Equity Research)

Likewise.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Bryce Rowe with B. Riley.

Bryce Rowe (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Thanks. Good morning, Ed and Shelby.

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Good morning, Bryce.

Bryce Rowe (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Let's see. Wanted to maybe start on capital structure. Shelby, you might be able to cover these, but just curious, you know, how you're thinking about capital structure at this point. You all typically don't use the credit facility all that regularly, and obviously you have some outstanding now. You know, that's kind of question number one, is just how you're thinking about kind of max usage of the credit facility. In relation to that, you know, you drew another $8, 8 million of SBA debentures subsequent to quarter end. What is the ultimate capacity from an SBA perspective at this point, beyond the eight?

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Shelby, you wanna take that?

Shelby Sherard (CFO)

Well, let me just... Sure. Let me... Great question. On the SBIC capacity, we have an incremental $25 million. As you know, they're kind of intermittent capital applications that you have to apply for to have access to that, that money. We have now received SBA approval to be able to access that $25 million. Between the eight we had at quarter end that we've drawn, now we have an incremental $25 million. The goal would be to, you know, kind of find SBIC-eligible deals, which we do have plenty in the pipeline, and utilize the $25 million. Then, you know, kind of have anything else go to the RIC or FIC and utilizing the line of credit.

I mean, unlike, you know, kind of, call it a one year or two ago, when we had a lot of repayments and excess cash on the, on the books, you know, we've got a lot more money put to work, and so we are starting to more actively use our, our line. We do have plenty of capacity remaining to be able to do so.

Bryce Rowe (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Got it. Okay. That's helpful. Another, another quarter here of activity on, on the ATM. You know, assume that there's still appetite there, to draw equity off of the ATM, especially considering kind of that, that, I guess, capital structure backdrop we just, we just talked about?

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Sure.

Shelby Sherard (CFO)

Yes, yes.

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Yeah, I'll, I'll jump in there. I think, you know, Bryce, we're, we're pleased with where the stock price is. It's kind of holding its own now, and, so we're also very pleased with the overall performance of the business. As you just commented, we turned on the ATM program last in Q4 of last year, and then we've raised $5 million of capital in each of the last two quarters, so in Q1 and Q2 of this year. You know, we would expect to keep that open this quarter. You know, if the markets are attractive, then that makes good sense for us from our perspective. It's an accretive way to raise capital, and, you know, that's what we're looking to do in the long term. Whether it's debt or equity, we're looking to enhance the shareholders' position. Hopefully, that's helpful.

Bryce Rowe (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Yep, that, that is. Maybe, maybe one last one from me, just on kind of portfolio stats. I think in the past, Ed, you've talked about, you know, loan-to-values being relatively low for, for your, debt, debt securities. If, if you could update us on kind of what, what that's looking like today, whether it be weighted average, average, median, whatever, whatever is the, the most appropriate metric.

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Sure. It's the loan-to-value for the portfolio is 40% at the moment. I think that's in line with last quarter. 60% equity cushions overall. You know, typically, when we're structuring new deals, 40% equity cushion is somewhat of a minimum. What I would say, over the last three to five years, it's been 50%-60% to even 70% and 80% in some cases, some of the ARR-type situations. You know, we feel very good about the, the, the enterprise value cushions, if you will, for the portfolio.

Bryce Rowe (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Yep. Awesome. Appreciate your time, and, appreciate the, appreciate the answers. Thanks.

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Absolutely. Good talking to you, Bryce.

Bryce Rowe (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Yep.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Paul Johnson with KBW.

Paul Johnson (VP of Equity Research)

Yeah, good morning, guys. Congrats on a good quarter. Only one or two for me. Just kind of broadly on, you know, just kind of getting your thoughts on inflation for, you know, companies in your portfolio, companies in general, sort of the lower middle market. Obviously, those businesses are smaller, just a little bit, you know, less stability to kind of combat inflation, you know, given the smaller size of, you know, the company. Is that still an issue these days, or at this point, you know, has that pretty much subsided, and it's really no longer a part of, conversations with your sponsors?

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Sure. Great question, Paul. No, I, I, I wouldn't say it's totally subsided, but what I would say, you know, not every company, but almost all companies have, have found ways to really deal or adjust to the new normal, if you will. In most cases, you know, that's raising prices to offset, you know, cost increases, whether it's labor, whether it's input costs, what have you. So investing in companies that have pricing power is an important element of, of, you know, of being able to deal with this risk. You know, one of the things we like to do is invest in, you know, value-added businesses, high free cash flow businesses, that typically have that kind of pricing power when they need to. So less commodity-oriented, if you will.

No, I, I do think it's slowed down quite a bit. I mean, there's a lot of costs that have, have declined. You know, think about freight, for instance. A lot of input costs are there. They're, they're, you know, somewhat to stay. Again, I think most companies have adjusted to this new normal. You know, so it, it's a discussion, but it's not, you know, a, a terrible thing at this point. Maybe that's the right way to think about it.

Paul Johnson (VP of Equity Research)

Got it. Appreciate that. Just kinda lastly, I mean, you know, this, this has not been as central to your investment, you know, strategy, you know, obviously, in the more recent years here, but I'm just curious if subordinated or any sort of mezzanine capital opportunities have, you know, been cropping up? If that's something that you've, you've found interesting, or at this point, you know, spreads are just too good and that, you know, unitranche first lien part of the capital structure, that is just, you know, not really on your guys' radar.

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Sure. Great question. No, we are continuing to see opportunities there and probably an increase in opportunities. What I would say is, you know, a large, large majority of our originations, just like this quarter, four of the five were, were first lien investments. You know, we're, we're gonna focus on more of the first lien category, but there are plenty of situations from our perspective, where a junior debt security makes a lot of sense and is, and is highly attractive. So we expect, you know, the junior debt portfolio to continue to be a minority portion of the portfolio, probably expect senior debt to, to increase from here, but it, it will be a piece of the puzzle for us as we move forward.

For us, we're looking at, you know, we're looking for great companies with great outlooks and, you know, high free cash flow type situations where we have, you know, we have a strong view, we have a good understanding and a strong view. In those cases, I think we can get attractive returns, especially in this market, but in all markets, with that type of security. It's, it's not the, the primary focus, but it, it clearly is a piece of the puzzle from our perspective.

Paul Johnson (VP of Equity Research)

Got it. Okay, great. Thanks, thanks for the helpful color, as always. It's all great.

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Yeah, absolutely. Good talking to you, Paul.

Operator (participant)

All right, our last question is from Erik Zwick with Hovde Group.

Erik Zwick (Director of Equity Research)

Thank you. Good morning, Ed and Shelby. Wanted to first just start with, with the pipeline. Curious if you could quantify either in dollar terms or maybe just directionally, you know, where it stands today relative to 30 days ago. Secondly, are there any particular industries or, or market segments that are, you know, more prominent there in the pipeline at, at present?

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Sure. Great question, Erik. You know, I think, you know, the pipeline for us, it's funny, kind of ebbs and flows. There was a little bit of a lull, but it's picked up here recently. You know, for us, it's they're not all awarded. We're working hard on things, trying to get those awards and obviously had to do documentation in some cases. What I would say is activity's picked up here over the last several weeks. You know, we think it'll continue to be a pretty decent market, not robust by any stretch, you know, as we move towards, you know, the fourth quarter. From an industry perspective, it's a little bit across the board.

You know, we have some software, more tech-enabled type situations for sure, but then at the same time, distributors, industrial businesses, and healthcare are all, you know, pieces of the pipeline that we're, we're seeing right now. Hopefully, that answers your question, but that's the... You know, it's pretty broad-based, if you will.

Erik Zwick (Director of Equity Research)

Yeah, that's, that's great color. Thank you. Then the only other one from me is, could you provide a quick update just on the two companies that remain in the portfolio that have sold their underlying operations, just kind of the status of those and what the outlook is? Are they gonna stay around for a while, or I just can't recall?

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Sure. They're, they're kind of-- I mean, those companies have been sold, and, in one case, we're trying to get to a resolution. It's kind of an escrow type situation. There is value there, but it's, you know, I think we, we, we probably want to get to a resolution, so we'll see how it ends up. We're more interested in a resolution than, than waiting five years for the ultimate outcome. There's, there's some work being done on that. The other one is more of a, we're keeping it in place now. That's the Greenfiber loan. That it's, it's in a loss situation, it's-- and I've articulated that before, so it's not like that's gonna come back.

We expect that to stay in, in that place, in that realm, if you will. It, you know, I don't know if that'll come off in the next year or not. That's unclear, but it's I think the expectation is that's a loss, and it's at, I think, a zero right now. There is some cash in an account, but beyond that, it's, it's a zero. Hopefully, that's helpful.

Erik Zwick (Director of Equity Research)

Great, thank you for... Yeah, that was. Thank you for taking my questions today.

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Absolutely. Good talking to you.

Operator (participant)

All right. It appears that there are no other questions, so the Q&A is now closed. I will direct the call back to Ed Ross.

Ed Ross (Chairman and CEO)

Thank you, Savi, and thank you everyone for joining us this morning. We look forward to speaking with you on our 3rd quarter call in early November. Have a great day and a great weekend.

Operator (participant)

This concludes the meeting. You may now disconnect.