Fidelity National Information Services - Earnings Call - Q2 2025

Executive Summary

• Q2 2025 delivered 5% GAAP revenue growth to $2.616B and adjusted EBITDA of $1.041B with margin flat YoY at 39.8%; adjusted EPS was $1.36 while GAAP EPS was $(0.90) due to a $539M investor-level tax expense tied to the pending sale of the remaining Worldpay stake.
• Banking led outperformance: segment revenue +6% YoY to $1.808B on 7% recurring revenue growth; Capital Markets +6% GAAP/+5% adjusted to $765M; corporate revenue fell 25% to $43M.
• Management raised FY 2025 ranges: revenue to $10.520–$10.570B, adjusted EBITDA to $4.315–$4.335B, and adjusted EPS to $5.72–$5.80; introduced Q3 guidance with revenue $2.650–$2.665B and adjusted EPS $1.46–$1.50.
• Strategic and product catalysts: execution on Future Forward (commercial excellence, working capital), digital assets via Circle/USDC integration, and AI roadmap (Treasury GPT upgrades; Banker Assist by YE) reinforced multi-segment momentum.
• Capital returns and balance sheet: $246M buybacks and $212M dividends in Q2 (total $459M); reiterated $1.2B buyback goal and declared $0.40 quarterly dividend payable Sept 24, 2025; debt outstanding $12.9B at quarter-end.

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

• What Went Well

  • Banking momentum: “We delivered a strong quarter led by momentum in our banking business” and raised full-year outlook on segment strength.
  • Recurring revenue and implementation: 81% of total revenue was recurring; implementations drove growth with sequential margin improvement of ~200 bps.
  • Product and innovation pipeline: Money Movement Hub expansion to USDC via Circle; AI initiatives (Treasury GPT upgrades; Banker Assist targeted by YE) garnered strong client interest and pipeline validation.

• What Went Wrong

  • GAAP earnings hit by Worldpay tax: GAAP diluted EPS of $(0.90) driven by $539M investor-level tax expense from change in intent to sell remaining Worldpay interest.
  • Banking margin pressure: segment adjusted EBITDA margin contracted 70 bps YoY to 43.6% due to an ~$8M bad-debt charge and cost allocation noise; management expects margin expansion to resume in Q3/Q4.
  • Capital Markets softness: temporary slowdown in lending syndication activity weighed on recurring growth in Q2, though July/August volumes rebounded to Q1 levels.

Transcript

Speaker 0

Good day and welcome to the FIS second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, press star 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker, Mr. George Mihalos, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Sherene. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for the FIS second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. The call is being webcast. Today's news release, corresponding presentation, and webcast are all available on our website at fisglobal.com. Joining me on the call this morning are Stephanie Ferris, our CEO and President, and James Kehoe, CFO. Stephanie will lead the call with a strategic and operational update, followed by James, who will review our financial results. Turning to Slide 3. Today's remarks will contain forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties as described in the press release and other filings with the SEC. The company undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, except as required by law. Please refer to the safe harbor language.

Also, throughout this call we will be presenting non-GAAP information including adjusted EBITDA, adjusted net earnings, adjusted net earnings per share, and adjusted free cash flow. These are important financial performance measures for the company, but they are not financial measures as defined by GAAP. Reconciliation of our non-GAAP information to the GAAP financial information is presented in our earnings release. With that, I'll turn the call over to Stephanie.

Speaker 3

Thank you, George, and good morning, everyone. I'm excited to share our second quarter results, which highlight the benefits of transforming FIS into a stronger and highly focused company. Let me start with the headline. We delivered a strong quarter led by momentum in our banking business. We are executing on our future-forward strategy centered around client centricity, operational simplification, and innovation, creating greater value for both our shareholders and our clients. The numbers tell the story. We delivered strong 5% revenue growth, accelerating from 4% in the first quarter, fueled by our increasing momentum in banking. Second quarter adjusted EBITDA exceeded our outlook, with margins improving 200 basis points sequentially. An adjusted EPS of $1.36 met our expectations.

In April, we announced the strategic acquisition of Global Payments Issuer Business and the sale of our minority Worldpay stake, transactions that align with our operational simplification strategy while strengthening our financial profile and significantly improving our free cash flow generation. We returned $460 million to shareholders through share repurchases and dividends in the second quarter, and we remain on track to meet our $1.2 billion target for the year. Our strong first half results and implementation pipeline leave us increasingly confident in achieving our increased full year outlook. Now let's turn to slide 6 for a discussion on the momentum we are seeing in the market. Our strategic execution is translating into marketplace success across the complete money life cycle, with several prestigious new engagements, including competitive takeaways.

Beginning with Money at Rest, we secured a major consolidation win with two premier Northeast financial institutions coming together to form a $25 billion regional banking leader. They selected us as their core provider after highly competitive evaluation, further validating our position as the partner of choice for bank consolidation. Our digital solutions continued their strong sales momentum with double-digit ACV growth in the quarter. A top 20 U.S. bank selected our Digital One offering to assist in streamlining and enhancing its operations, and our Digital One commercial offering was selected by the U.S. subsidiary of a large Asian bank. Moving to Money in Motion, our Office of the CFO capabilities are resonating across a diverse range of clients in the second quarter. One of the world's leading energy technology companies selected our award-winning treasury solution for global cash and risk management needs.

Additionally, multiple European banks chose our risk and reporting solutions, including Balance Sheet Manager, for regulatory and compliance needs. Our payments capabilities are also in demand globally. For example, a leading South Asia-based bank selected us for its long-term debit processing needs. Lastly, in Money at Work, we expanded our relationship with a leading financial services technology company through a multi-year commitment on our private equity platform. Our capability in this domain continues to gain momentum across the trading and asset industry, where we are taking our SaaS go-to-market strategy and taking share. Now let's turn to Slide 7 for an update on the product innovation we are driving across FIS. Accelerating the product flywheel through our build, buy, partner strategy is strengthening our competitive position. We build what differentiates us and buy and partner what accelerates us, and our buy strategy is delivering.

The issuer acquisition and Worldpay sale received U.S. regulatory clearance, eliminating any prospect of a lengthy secondary request. We continue to work with international regulators, and the acquisition close remains on schedule. This transaction adds best-in-class credit issuing solutions to our end-to-end banking offerings, creating immediate cross-sell opportunities and complements our broad suite of best-in-class solutions, strengthening our position as the partner of choice with unmatched capabilities across both banking and payments. Additionally, we recently acquired Everlink, a leading provider of integrated payment solutions to Canadian financial institutions, further executing on our international expansion strategy. We have a robust pipeline of M&A opportunities across our key growth vectors, with additional acquisitions expected shortly. Our build and partner strategy is accelerating innovation.

In May, we launched our Money Movement Hub, our solution that simplifies payment acceptance and management for banks of all sizes through a universal API, allowing banks to seamlessly integrate with payment networks and manage multiple payment types. Last week we announced we're expanding Money Movement Hub capabilities to include digital assets through our partnership with Circle Internet Group, enabling banks to transact in USDC for both domestic and cross-border payments. This perfectly illustrates how our build and partner strategies align to enhance the entire money life cycle and position us to expand into digital currency. We are driving AI innovation throughout the enterprise. Building on the success of TreasuryGPT, we are on track to launch our Banker Assist solution by year end, the agentic AI platform for commercial banking that embeds intelligent voice-powered assistance directly into client interaction.

The response at our Emerald Conference was tremendous, with significant customer interest and pipeline validating this AI investment. In July we upgraded our TreasuryGPT offering with enhanced risk reporting and liquidity management tools. We now have multiple AI pilots across banking and capital markets with additional product announcements coming throughout the year. Our Build Buy Partner strategy is accelerating innovation, strengthening our market position, and expanding our capabilities across the complete money life cycle. In summary, our strategy is working and our clients are responding. We're confident in our ability to deliver sustained growth, enhanced profitability, and increasing shareholder return. James will now take you through our financials and increased outlook.

Speaker 1

James, thank you, Stephanie, and good morning. I'll begin on Slide 9 with an overview of our second quarter results. Revenue grew 5% to $2.6 billion, exceeding our outlook thanks to outperformance from our banking business. Adjusted EBITDA also grew 5% and exceeded the top end of our outlook range. EBITDA margin was flat year over year but improved sequentially by approximately 200 basis points. Adjusted EPS of $1.36 came in at the midpoint of our range as operational strength was partly offset by higher DNA. Free cash flow was $292 million with a cash conversion rate of 52%. Cash tax payments were much higher this year, resulting in a 23 point headwind. On a year-to-date basis, cash conversion is 61% compared to 53% in the prior year period, as our working capital improvement programs are starting to drive benefits.

As a reminder, cash flow is seasonally stronger in the second half of the year as first half cash flow includes outflows for bonus and higher tax payments. Importantly, we are reiterating our full year cash conversion target of 82% to 85%. Capital expenditures were $218 million in the quarter, 8% of revenue, and in line with our expectations. Leverage increased modestly quarter over quarter to three times.

Speaker 0

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Speaker 2

It.

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Speaker 2

Okay, guys, can you read Darrin Peller in?

Speaker 0

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Speaker 2

Okay, perfect.

Speaker 1

Okay, let me try again. Apologies for the technical issues. I think you last heard me finish on leverage, so I'll just start there. Leverage increased modestly quarter over quarter to 3 times. Excluding the impact of currency fluctuations, the leverage ratio was 2.9 times and we continue to target a long term ratio of 2.8 times. Lastly, we returned $460 million to shareholders, including $246 million of share repurchases. We're reaffirming our $1.2 billion annual target for share repurchases. Turning now to the segment results on slide 10. Adjusted revenue growth of 5% was driven by recurring revenue growth of 6% with recurring revenue at 81% of total revenue. Banking grew 6% in the quarter, coming in above the high end of our outlook range. The accelerated growth is primarily driven by an improvement in commercial excellence, including the implementation of previously signed deals and continued strong client retention.

The result also includes a 1 percentage point benefit from the shift of some EBIT revenue from the third quarter to the second. Recurring revenue growth continued to outpace adjusted revenue, posting a strong growth of 7%. Non-recurring revenue increased 5%, reflecting growth in license revenue. Banking EBITDA margin contracted by 70 basis points, primarily due to a bad debt charge in the quarter. We anticipate a return to margin expansion in the third quarter with further improvement in the fourth quarter, reflecting an easier comparison. Turning now to capital markets, adjusted revenue growth came in at 5%, slightly below our expectations with recurring revenue growth of 5%. Recurring revenue was negatively impacted by a temporary slowdown in our lending business as we faced lower loan syndication activity as a result of macroeconomic uncertainty.

The good news is that we have seen a rebound in July with lending activity returning more in line with the strong pace we experienced in the first quarter. Capital markets adjusted EBITDA margin contracted 50 basis points, primarily reflecting temporary margin dilution from a prior year acquisition. We are projecting a return to margin expansion in the third quarter. Moving now to our year to date results on slide 11, we are pleased with our first half financial results. Year to date we have delivered steady and consistent results with both adjusted revenue and recurring revenue growing 5%. Banking growth of 4% is in line with our full year expectation and we are confident in delivering accelerating revenue growth over the second half of the year.

In capital markets, we are pleased with the strong first half growth of 7% and anticipate a step up in recurring revenue growth to underpin the second half performance. Turning now to our full year outlook on slide 12, we are raising our full year outlook ranges for revenue, adjusted EBITDA, and adjusted EPS to reflect a strong second quarter, a recently closed acquisition, and the favorable impact of currencies. We are raising our revenue target by $75 million to $85 million, resulting in adjusted revenue growth of 4.8% to 5.3%. We now anticipate banking revenue growth of 4% to 4.5%, an increase from 3.7% to 4.4% previously. For capital markets, we are reaffirming our outlook of 6.5% to 7%, consistent with the performance we have seen in the first half of the year.

Moving on to adjusted EBITDA, we are raising the low end of our full year EBITDA outlook by $10 million to reflect the second quarter beat. We now expect full year margin expansion of approximately 20 basis points, reflecting the margin dilutive impact of updated currency assumptions. While currencies had a favorable impact on revenue of about $60 million, the EBITDA impact was neutral and this creates a margin headwind of 25 basis points. As such, on a constant currency basis, we are tracking in line with our prior margin expansion goal of 40 to 45 basis points while also absorbing some dilution from closed M&A. We are increasing the low end of our EPS range by $0.02 and this leads to double digit EPS growth of 10% to 11%, consistent with prior quarters. We have provided updated modeling assumptions in the Appendix.

One item of note is that we have updated our estimate for non-GAAP cash expenses. The increased outlook reflects $75 million of expense related to the issuer acquisition as well as an additional $45 million of severance expense as we advance rightsizing initiatives in anticipation of the deal close. Importantly, a higher non-GAAP cash expense will have no impact on our previously communicated capital return targets. Let's now discuss our third quarter expectations on slide 13. For the third quarter, we anticipate revenue growth of 3.8% to 4.4% with banking at 3% to 3.5% and capital markets at 5.5% to 6.5%. For banking, we are projecting moderating growth entirely due to the 100 basis point shift in revenue from the third quarter into the second. This implies a sequential acceleration in fourth quarter revenue growth.

You will recall that we are lapping 200 basis points of negative one-time items, and our commercial excellence initiatives continue to drive improved outcomes. For capital markets, we are projecting third quarter growth of 5.5% to 6.5%, with the high end reflecting current lending volumes and the lower end conservatively assuming a return to second quarter levels. We are projecting adjusted EBITDA margin expansion of 45 to 80 basis points, and this is fully underpinned by cost actions which have already been executed. This gives us a high level of confidence. Lastly, we anticipate adjusted EPS of $1.46 to $1.50, representing growth of 4% to 7%, driven entirely by EBITDA growth. I'll conclude on Slide 14. In summary, our second quarter results were ahead of expectations thanks to a strong operational performance from banking.

Looking forward, we are confident in our second half projections for revenue growth and margin expansion, and we have increased our total shareholder return goal to 12% to 13%. Capital returns were $460 million in the quarter, and we are on track to achieve our $2 billion annual target. Lastly, the acquisition of the Issuer Solutions business remains on track with that operator. Could you please open the line for questions?

Speaker 0

Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, press star 11. Again, due to time restraints, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow up question. Please stand by while we compile the Q and A roster and our first question will come from the line of Darrin Peller with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Speaker 2

Hey, thanks guys. Nice results. Putting aside just the slight pull forward, dynamic banking trends on the recurring side continue to look pretty strong. Maybe help us understand, number one, what the key drivers are and if you feel good about the core platforms right now showing sustainability, what's driving the growth and what's going to be an acceleration exiting the year beyond just comps. Maybe add on to that a little bit more around the tuck-in I think you mentioned. I don't know if there's anything you could help us with sizing and what it did for guidance, that would be helpful to understand as well. Really looking for the key drivers of what you're seeing underneath the business in the banking segment. Thanks guys.

Speaker 3

Yeah Darrin, thank you. I'll take both of them and then I'll have James add on to the specific dollar amount on the acquisition. You're right. We're very pleased with the recurring growth in banking and I think we've been consistent as we came into the fourth quarter and first quarter that 2025 was going to be the pivotal year where we saw a step up in the recurring banking growth. I would really attribute it to the focus in our commercial excellence pillar in our future forward strategy. Think about net new sales. We are selling more and we have been over the last couple of years and the quality of those sales is strong. We talked about a couple of years ago, you know, selling not just professional services and license but really focusing on selling higher margin products.

Think digital, think payments, think software that is recurring and that really focusing the business on those new sales and as a result seeing a mix out of PS and license into recurring and we're seeing the benefits of that new sales activity really land in 2025 and then will continue in 2026. That's one piece of net new sales. The other piece is really focused on retention and high, high levels of retention and making sure that our retention and our compression metrics all stay in line. I'm just extraordinarily pleased with how well that's going. You think about higher quality new sales into recurring and then doing a much better job in terms of focusing on high levels of client retention. You start to really see the momentum we are seeing in banking. As you know our sales cycles are fairly long.

We have a lot of visibility into the rest of the year and we're starting to have a high level visibility of the first half of 2026. We really like where recurring is going in banking. We're pleased with it. It's exactly where we expect it to be. I do think there was some pull forward in second quarter as James recommended. Broadly overall very happy with where recurring is going in terms of the tuck in. Maybe I'll just talk about the strategic value and James can give you the dollar amount. Again we remain very committed to our buy build partner strategy. It's executing very well for us both in terms of taking advantage of our global distribution and our marquee client set as we bring different products into the portfolio and lean into them to help us drive growth. Very pleased with the acquisition announcement of Everlink.

We think it fits very nicely into our payments portfolio. They're also very excited to be part of the FIS umbrella. We think we can really add distribution and scale for them in terms of the guidance and the numbers included there. I'll send it over to James.

Speaker 1

Yeah, Darrin. That's roughly a contribution full year of 20 to 25 bps. It's early days yet as we start integrating and we're staring closely at this. It's in around $20 million. To get back to what Stephanie said, we did guide at the beginning of the year. Commercial excellence was about 150 bps of contribution year on year. We did say roughly split between the contribution of new sales and the significant increase in retention exiting last year and continuing into this year. Both of those are very much on track with probably retention even slightly higher than our expectations.

Speaker 2

That's great to hear. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 0

Thank you. One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Tien-Tsin Huang with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Speaker 2

Thank you so much. Good morning. Stephanie, I was curious if in your client conversations, you're hearing any potential change in client decision making, given whether it be the macro or all this talk about stablecoin and AI. Are you seeing any shift in spend and spending behavior developing at all?

Speaker 3

Oh, yeah, great question. I think it's definitely a view. We view it as an opportunity. Our clients are very interested in it. I think everybody's looking in terms of the use cases, but certainly every single financial institution is looking at how they serve their clients and make it available. I would say demand is much higher, TBD in terms of which use cases take effect. For us, as we think about FIS, our job is to provide the capabilities out to our clients. That's why, for us, in terms of whether it's a digital currency or ACH or wire, real-time payments, all of that is good for us because we enable all of that.

I do see a lot of interest, and there's a focus in terms of making sure that financial institutions don't fall behind in terms of offerings large and small, TBD in terms of how much ultimate demand from the end businesses and consumers. No bank wants to be left behind in terms of not having a capability.

Speaker 2

Makes sense. Thank you.

Speaker 0

Thank you. One moment for our next question, and that will come from the line of Dan Dolev with Mizuho. Your line is open.

Speaker 2

Hey guys, great results as always. I have a quick question and then a quick follow-up. We noticed the slight or big acceleration in the Worldpay growth. I just want to make sure before we get over our skis here. Obviously, great execution by you guys. Can you make sure you have some comments on how much of it is organic? I have a quick follow-up. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yeah, thanks Dan. I appreciate it. On Worldpay, they were very pleased with their performance. A couple of things, if you think about their growth rates, they're growing over a fairly soft quarter in the second quarter, and I think it was 2%. Year over year, they had an easy comp. All hats off to them, quite frankly. They have a couple of things going on. One, there's a bit of seasonality in the business because they do some tax processing payments in the second quarter. I would say more meaningfully is really them boarding some pretty big e-comm clients that for them is driving some pretty significant growth. I think they're very pleased, we're very pleased with their outcomes. I do think it's a seasonally high quarter for them, but they are stepping up their expectations in terms of revenue, and I know we're very pleased with it.

Speaker 1

Great.

Speaker 2

It looks like a win-win on this deal. I'll skip my next question. We're good. This is.

Speaker 3

Thank you so much.

Speaker 0

Thank you. Thank you. One moment for our next question, and that will come from the line of Trevor Williams with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Speaker 2

Great.

Speaker 1

Thanks for taking the question.

Speaker 2

I wanted to go back to margins. James, I think the call out you'd made on banking this quarter, there was a bad debt charge. If you could quantify that, and then even with the lower full year guide, the 20 basis points, it still implies you need margins to be up just under 150 bps in Q4. Just how we bridge to that, the level of visibility there. I know you mentioned some one-time headwinds on the revenue side, but any more help there would be great, thanks.

Speaker 1

Yeah, the bad debt was, I think it was about $8 million, so maybe 45 bps out of the 70 bps year on year. There were a couple of allocation changes we didn't mention on the call. The actual good thing about the Banking in the second quarter is the actual. You recall in the first quarter we had an adverse mix because we were lapping licenses. The mix in Banking actually in the second quarter was positive and it was offset by some of these noisy items in OpEx. We're actually really pleased with the change in trajectory from Q1 to Q2 on Banking. Full steam ahead. As we look across the rest of the company, we said on the last call most of our, a large percentage of our cost reduction initiatives are in the second half.

We're actually accelerating some of our organizational streamlining as you saw from our comments on one-time expense. We have brilliant visibility looking forward on the cost program. We're really happy there. To get to your question, is the Q4? Yes. I think the implied margin build is, how much is it? 200 basis points roughly. You recall in the prior year there was a true-up of a termination charge plus some other item for a total of $33 million. We're lapping an easy comp in the fourth quarter and that accounts for 100 basis points up to 200 basis points. If you strip out the easy comp from last year, our implied margin in the fourth quarter is about 100 basis points. We have cost programs stacked up that will probably even over-deliver against that kind of 100 basis point run rate.

We have a large degree of flexibility in the second half here. I really want to hammer that home. We look very carefully at the implied Q4 guide on margins and we're incredibly comfortable with the cost reduction set up already.

Speaker 2

Okay, I appreciate that. Thank you.

Speaker 0

One moment for our next question.

Speaker 1

And.

Speaker 0

That will come from the line of Brian Bergin with TD Cowen. Your line is open.

Speaker 2

Hey guys, good morning. Thank you. Wanted to ask on capital markets, a little bit slower growth in the quarter but you mentioned, I think it was slower lending syndication and a recovery I guess in July. Just how much visibility do you have to the acceleration in the second half? Just talk about conviction in that re Excel what might preclude a reoccurrence in slower lending. I think I'm just trying to get a sense of the confidence there as you're forecasting the second half.

Speaker 1

Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yeah, thanks Brian. I'll take that. I think we were very pleased and continue to be very pleased with capital markets. That's why we shared the first half was very strong. If you look at it on a year to date basis, we have a little bit of ups and downs. First quarter, if you'll recall, we had a very significant license renewal that drove our non-recurring up, which was strong for us in the first quarter. With respect to the second quarter, we did see some softness, temporary softness in our lending business, largely tied to the slowdown in large financial institutions' loan syndication activity in the second quarter, specifically related to some macroeconomic uncertainty. We saw that slow down, as James mentioned, and that's really what drove the recurring slowdown from first quarter to second quarter.

The good news is in July and into August we've been seeing a very nice rebound in that syndication activity that's back in line with first quarter levels. We're also continuing to see strong new sales activity in our lending business. We did see, like I said, a downturn in the second quarter. We think it's related to macro, very much related to macro uncertainty. We're seeing that come back up. That gives us a lot of confidence as we move into Q3 and Q4 with respect to capital markets.

Speaker 2

All right, thank you. James, just a quick one on tax. Is there anything from the one big beautiful bill implications on taxes going forward?

Speaker 1

We're in the early stages of assessing it, but just to clarify, there's no impact whatsoever on the effective tax rate. This is the timing of the cash payments. There's probably some opportunity in the current year. I would highlight our prepared comments. Our overall tax payments in the current year are about $100 million higher than prior year. It might give some slight relief on that. I think as you look forward you could see some slight tax benefit this year, next year, but then it washes itself out of the system and by 2027 it's broadly neutral with no impact on effective tax rate. We're confirming the 12% rate that we guided to at the beginning of the year.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 0

One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Vasundhara Govil with KBW. Your line is open. Hi. Thank you for taking my question.

Speaker 3

First one for you, Stephanie.

Speaker 0

Just on the bank M&A.

Speaker 3

Activity that's obviously considered to be a.

Speaker 0

Positive for FIS and we're starting to.

Speaker 3

See some of that play out already.

Speaker 0

With recent bank mergers.

Speaker 3

Just curious, if this space of M.

Speaker 0

Activity continues, should we think.

Speaker 3

Of that as incremental to your medium term guide for the banking segment or was that already contemplated? It's a great question, Vasu. I will reiterate what you said and you know, it's been a thesis for FIS for a long time. We serve the larger financial institutions and by default they end up being the consolidators. In addition to that, you know, we have fantastic products and solutions that serve larger financial institutions. We definitely were thrilled with the announcements that have come through already. We continue to be very optimistic, and I think it continues to prove out the competitiveness of the product set that we have and the focus on clients.

In terms of whether it's incremental, I would say for the rest of the year it's whatever M&A activity has been completed and frankly a lot of it, we have a lot of view to it as we come into the year, is not incremental. However, you know, things continue to unfold and as you know, we learn of new things and solidify new things. We'll obviously put it in the guide, but we don't have incremental M&A sitting in this guide per se. We'll continue to keep you updated as things, if things move up or down on us. That's super helpful.

Speaker 0

Just one quick one on.

Speaker 3

Just the pricing backdrop in the industry. I know some of your peers have.

Speaker 0

Called out headwinds on the pricing front in core processing.

Speaker 3

Are you seeing a change in trend line through any color around that would be helpful? Yeah, I've been hearing that. Our pricing is very consistent. When you think about it in terms of either what we have to price on new wins or compression, I think what you're hearing from a lot of people is likely challenges in terms of quality of products and then corresponding pricing that they have to take. From an FIS standpoint, again we stand very large and scaled and we can get pretty price competitive if we need to. It is not impacting our overall revenue and in fact I would say we're winning more new business. I think it's a very competitive industry and it sounds like people are struggling with making sure that they're as competitive as they need to be with the products and the solutions they have.

Interesting dialog, not seeing it show up, but again I'm generally larger and have more scale so can absorb that. In combination with a very competitive product that tends to come in our favor.

Speaker 1

Just to give you the stats on that, both businesses had positive net pricing in the quarter. Banking was up slightly, and capital markets was similar to the historic trends of somewhere between 1% to 2% of net pricing after compression. We've seen no material change in the direction of travel on either of the businesses.

Speaker 3

Great. Thank you for the color.

Speaker 0

One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of James Faucette with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Speaker 2

Thank you so much. I want to follow up on Basu's question, particularly as it relates to pipeline, etc. Wondering if we're seeing banks kind of evolve their roadmap or what they're looking for from FIS. I think one of the things that's always striking about the banking industry is that for a variety of reasons we haven't seen the move to cloud and public cloud type solutions. Is that something your customers are beginning to talk to you about, and what are the hurdles that we could see or you think we can clear to start to evolve some of the product portfolio even faster on a go forward rate, especially given all the new changes and new technologies that people are bringing to market and talking about?

Speaker 3

Yeah, it's a great question. I would say it depends on the size of banks. Let's start with the smaller banks. From the smaller bank standpoint, I don't see roadmap evolution per se, meaning they're looking for FIS to provide them with their modernization journey. We've already put all of our clients generally in the cloud, so that's generally done for us. As we think about modernizing them, which modernization generally is about componentization of the core, pulling out different pieces of the core and hollowing it out is the way banks generally look at it. I think there's been a desire to do that for, you know, over the last seven, 10 years. I do think the market is moving whereby they don't want to do a big bang approach. This is more larger financial institutions.

In the larger financial institution standpoint, there is a desire to do more, componentize and come out with products and solutions and deliver value more quickly than a big bang core conversion. I do think that the large financial institution business is evolving even from five years ago where they wanted to move everything at once. They want to move things more in pieces and parts and deliver value out to their customer set in smaller chunks. I think that the buying pattern is changing with respect to FIS. As you know, we have a very significant large financial institution base, and we have the benefit of working with them very directly and understanding as they change their roadmaps from whether it's one single move to a componentization. Our job and where we feel really good about our core strategy is that it is overall driving our product roadmap.

We do have the ability to, and the majority of our clients on MVP have different capabilities on MVP, whether it's digital banking, whether it is a checking account, a money movement account, a CD account. We are seeing banks move in this direction, and our core capabilities have the ability to do that. It's obviously all cloud generated. I do think the new technology coming in is super interesting. I'm not sure that it's really interesting with respect to how these banks want to move, but more importantly maybe more around how they serve their clients with GenAI, thinking about digital banking, et cetera. That's probably a conversation for another day. Great question. I think the pipeline remains strong, like I said, which is really helping us drive the momentum in banking. I think the large financial institution base is taking a different approach.

I think our core modernization and banking modernization strategy is delivering on that and continues to give us a bunch of opportunity as we think about 2026 and 2027.

Speaker 2

Thanks so much for the comments, Stephanie. Have a good day.

Speaker 3

You bet.

Speaker 0

One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Ken Suchoski with Autonomous Research. Your line is open.

Speaker 3

Hey, good morning.

Speaker 2

Thanks for taking the question. Maybe just one on, I guess, capital markets. I heard the lower lending syndication activity, but it looks like the organic growth slowed. I think it was like 3% to 4%. Just curious how much of the slowdown was due to the lower loan activity versus other factors. It just seems like a pretty big driver there, a big business overall. If it was 3% to 4% of slowdown, and then just on the 200 basis points of one-time items, I think that was in banking revenue growth in the prior year. Just trying to understand what that was. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yeah. Maybe I'll start on capital markets and I'll let James lean in on the capital markets piece. If you go back and you look at the Q1 to Q2 growth and you really focus on recurring first, you know recurring had about 100 basis points slowdown and that's really related to the loan syndication activity we talked about which was macro. The good news is that that is coming back and you can expect to see that recurring growth return in the back half of the year. I think the rest of the difference is around just license activity through capital markets. The first quarter if you look at it had a very significant license renewal. There's just some timing around when license renewals happen each year.

You can see the revenue growth of capital markets in total was up significantly but it was on the back of a really large renewal for a license. I think, you know, as you think about the different pieces I think we feel really good about capital markets recurring which is again talking about the health of the business. There is clearly some lumpiness as we go throughout the year in terms of licenses based on renewals and sales. Even leaning into the back half of this year the expectations around the license and non professional services are right in line with where we've been historically. James. I don't know.

Speaker 1

Yeah. Remember what we said on the first quarter call when we did a 9 on capital markets, we said that wasn't a trend rate, and then two is it was fundamentally was coming from a 47% increase in the non-recurring, which essentially is the licensed business. You know, while we're inclined to, but maybe one way to look at this is the overall year to date on capital markets is up just, just, just south of 7%. That's probably a good way to look at the remainder of the year. You know, as you look at it, rest of your recurring will accelerate somewhat because you know we saw a dramatic rebound actually in July on the lending business. The business almost doubled versus prior year. We've recovered very, very strongly.

That will add a point in the successive quarter, and then licenses will continue to grow in the second half but at a slower pace. We're not going to be repeating the 47% because that had a lot of renewals in the quarter. Professional services will probably accelerate slightly. We've good line of sight to the implementation schedules. We're very comfortable with the full year outlook on capital markets.

Speaker 3

Ken, maybe repeat your banking.

Speaker 1

Your banking question then. What were these items that were lapping? This was fourth quarter, there were two items. There was a termination fee reversal and that was $20 million. The other one was an adjustment relating to customer contracts of $13 million, so a total of $33 million. As you look at the fourth quarter, it's a 200 basis point, call it tailwind on revenue, and it's 105 bps on margins. Both of these items are 100% margin. They're at 100% margin.

Speaker 2

Okay. All right, thank you very much.

Speaker 0

Thank you. One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Chris Kennedy with William Blair. Your line is open.

Speaker 2

Good morning.

Speaker 1

Thanks for taking the question.

Speaker 2

Stephanie, you mentioned the Everlink acquisition. Can you just give us an update on the international strategy?

Speaker 3

Sure, that's a great point. Everlink obviously is a natural extension for us in payments, right in line with what we do in Canada. I think as you think about our international strategy, there's really two things that are going to significantly continue to advance it. One is the Everlink acquisition, but then also as you think about the issuer acquisition from Global Payments, both are quite international and will advance our international footprint in specifically adding payments capabilities internationally. That's really good for us as we think about broadening out and building momentum in our payments business, both in terms of the U.S. but also rest of world, where we continue to see a lot of momentum, a lot of demand, and where we're not nearly as concentrated.

Both of these, again, are great products and solutions that can come in and really take advantage of our really scaled distribution channel. Very excited about both.

Speaker 2

Great, thanks for taking the question.

Speaker 0

Thank you. We do have time for one last question, and that will come from the line of Matt Coad with Truist. Your line is open.

Speaker 2

Hey guys, thanks for taking the question here. I just wanted to go back to the capital markets question a bit. In light of the weaker lending syndication activity impacting recurring revenue growth, could you guys remind us, right, of the revenue drivers there? Whether it's based on loan activity, whether it's SaaS related, and whether it's based on, say, level of AUM. Just a reminder of what's driving revenue growth would be helpful.

Speaker 3

Yeah, so there's nothing AUM related here at all. The majority of the revenue growth is really from net new sales. Think about new sales added each year, recurring revenue, and then net of any attrition, which is very low in capital markets. Incremental to that, you have net pricing, which James talked about has been very consistent, and then you have some license activity. Generally, there isn't a significant amount of what we would call transaction or organic growth activity here. It's been, you know, maybe around 100 basis points, whether it's from transactions or those types of things. It's not AUM. However, there was a very big swing given the macroeconomic uncertainty. You can kind of go back and look at the large financial institutions all mentioned it. Loan syndication just rose up. There is a bit of organic growth that we get from transactions.

It's not generally material. However, when it swings from, you know, generally positive to almost negative to zero, it can impact us, as James said. The good news is it's back. In July and August, we feel really good about recurring growth going back up to a, you know, a 6% range. Overall, this business does not have a significant amount. There's no AUM at all, and it doesn't have a significant amount of transaction activity. There is, you know, maybe 100 bps. James, you have anything you want to add?

Speaker 1

No. This business has been performing incredibly strongly. To give you some context, we were growing the business at a kind of low teens kind of number in the first quarter and it fell off to a 35% decline. Since then it's back closer to the, it's actually above the Q1 performance. There was a marked reduction in loan syndication activity in the quarter. We've now had, I think it's seven or eight weeks where it's up again versus prior year. It's one of the very few businesses within the capital markets portfolio that is exposed at times to these, the loan activity. It's a $6 million impact on our $3 billion business. That's what's pulled down our recurring in the quarter. It'll bounce back quite strongly in the second half.

Speaker 2

Really helpful, guys. Thank you.

Speaker 3

You bet.

Speaker 0

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