Grupo Financiero Galicia - Q3 2024

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Operator (participant)

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Grupo Financiero Galicia Third Quarter 2024 earnings call. This conference is being recorded, and the replay will be available at the company's website at gfgsa.com. We would like to inform that all attendees will only be listening to the conference during the presentation, and then we will start the question-and-answer session when further instructions will be provided. Some of the statements made during this conference call will be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the safe harbor provisions of the U.S. federal securities laws and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed. Investors should be aware of events related to the macroeconomic scenario, the financial industry, and other factors that could cause results to differ materially from those expressed in their respective forward-looking statements. Now, I will turn the conference over to Mr.

Pablo Firvida, Head of Investor Relations. You may begin your conference.

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

Thank you, Sophie. Good afternoon and welcome to this conference call. According to the monthly economic activity indicator, Argentina's economy contracted by 3.8% year over year in August. On a year-to-date basis, the economic contraction reached 3.1%. On the third quarter, the primary surplus stood at 0.5% of GDP, compared to a 0.4% primary deficit in the third quarter of 2023. This result was driven by a 204.6% year-over-year increase in revenues, while primary spending rose 153.8%. The overall fiscal result was close to 0% of GDP. The National Consumer Price Index reached 101.6% in the first nine months of 2024, while monthly inflation decelerated from 25.5% in December last year to 3.5% in September this year. The central bank devalued the exchange rate 54.2% on December 13, 2023, and since January of this year, a 2% monthly crawling peg has been maintained to date.

In September 2024, the exchange rate averaged 961.8 pesos per dollar, recording a 63.3% year-over-year devaluation. Throughout most of 2024, the overnight repo rate served as the benchmark monetary policy interest rate, having replaced the Leliq rate in December 2023 until July 22nd, when fiscal liquidity bills, or LEFIs, issued by the Treasury were introduced as new liquidity regulation tools. Since the change in administration, the Central Bank has reduced the monetary policy interest rate seven times, from 133% to its current 35%. In September 2024, the average interest rate on peso-denominated private sector time deposits of up to 59 days was 39.3%, 74.8 percentage points below the average rate in September 2023. Private sector deposits in pesos averaged 61.4 trillion Pesos in September, up 16.6% in the quarter and 125.4% year-over-year.

Time deposits in pesos rose 23.7% over the quarter and 105.1% annually, while peso-denominated transactional deposits increased 11% in the third quarter and 146.5% in annual terms. Private sector dollar-denominated deposits averaged $23.5 billion in September, reflecting a quarterly increase of 32.5% and a year-over-year rise of 56.1%. Peso-denominated loans to the private sector averaged 38.6 trillion pesos in September, increasing 50.4% quarterly and 229% year-over-year. Private sector dollar-denominated loans amounted to $7.2 billion, recording a 13.1% quarterly growth and an 87.6% annual increase. Turning now to the result for the quarter, net income attributable to Grupo Financiero Galicia amounted to 168 billion Pesos, 0.5% higher from the year-ago quarter, mainly due to profits from Banco Galicia for 84 billion Pesos, from Naranja X for 69 billion Pesos, and from Galicia Asset Management for 17 billion Pesos, offset by a 0.9 billion loss from Galicia Seguros.

This profit represented a 3.14% annualized return on average assets and a 15.26% return on average shareholder's equity. Going to Banco Galicia, net income for the quarter was 47% lower than in the year-ago quarter, primarily due to a 50% decrease of the operating income. Net operating income decreased 39%, primarily due to a 37% lower net interest income and an 84% decrease in the results from gold and foreign currency quotation differences, partially offset by a 47% increase in net results from financial instruments. Average interest-earning assets reached 10.1 trillion pesos, 15% lower than in the same quarter of 2023, primarily due to a 22% decrease of the portfolio of government securities in pesos and a 43% reduction in the average balance of other interest-earning assets in pesos. In the same period, its yield decreased 42 percentage points, reaching 45.92%.

Interest-bearing liabilities decreased 10% from September 2023, amounting to 8.6 trillion Pesos, primarily due to a 50% decrease in time deposits in Pesos, offset by the increase of the average balance of saving accounts and other deposits in foreign currency. During this period, its costs decreased 47 percentage points to 21.35%. Net interest income decreased 37% when compared to the third quarter of 2023. This was the result of a 60% decrease in interest income because of a 66% lower interest on government securities and a 41% lower interest on loans and other financing, together with a 72% decrease in interest expenses due to a 79% lower interest on time deposits. Net fee income decreased 9% from September 2023 due to a 27% lower profit from fees on bundles of products and a 31% decrease in fees on utility bills collection services.

Net income from financial instruments increased 47% due to higher results from government securities and derivative financial instruments, offset by a lower result from private sector securities. Gains from gold and FX quotation differences were 84% lower from the year-ago quarter, including the results from foreign currency trading. Other operating income decreased 52% in the quarter, while provisions for loan losses increased 77% because of the growth of the loan portfolio. Personnel expenses were 6% lower than in the third quarter of 2023, while administrative expenses increased 14% due to higher expenses for fees and compensation for services, for maintenance and repair of goods and IT, and for hired administrative services. Other operating expenses decreased 39% due to a 63% lower turnover tax related to financial operations.

The bank's financing to the private sector reached 7.4 trillion Pesos at the end of the quarter, up 18% in the last 12 months, with Peso financing increasing 6% and dollar-denominated financing growing 104%, while by trade line, promissory notes increased 19% and personal loans 52%. Net exposure to the public sector decreased 39% year-over-year due to a reduction in exposure to the central bank, which at the end of the quarter was close to zero, partially offset by an increase of government securities in Pesos at fair value. This exposure represented 24% of total assets as of the end of the quarter, compared to 40% of the year before. Deposits reached 13.2 trillion Pesos, 14% higher than a year before, mainly due to a 295% increase in savings accounts in foreign currency, partially offset by a 37% decrease in time deposits in Pesos.

The bank's estimated market share of loans to the private sector was 11.9%, 40 basis points higher than at the end of a year-ago quarter, and the market share of deposits from the private sector was 10%, 56 basis points higher than in the same quarter of 2023. The bank's liquid assets represented 76.4% of transactional deposits and 55.5% of total deposits, compared to 123.3% and 61.7%, respectively, from a year before. As regards asset quality, the ratio of non-performing loans to total financing ended the quarter at 1.84%, recording a 62 basis points improvement as compared to the 2.46% of the third quarter of the prior year. At the same time, the coverage with allowances reached 184.4% from the 133.7% recorded a year ago.

As of the end of September 2024, the bank's total regulatory capital ratio reached 26.4%, increasing 135 basis points from the end of the same quarter of 2023. In summary, in a challenging and volatile political and macro environment, Grupo Financiero Galicia was able to keep asset quality, liquidity, solvency, and profitability metrics at very healthy levels. We are now ready to answer the questions that you may have. Thank you.

Operator (participant)

We are going to start the question and answer session for investors and analysts. If you wish to ask a question, please click on "Raise Hand." If your question has already been answered, you can leave the queue by clicking on "Put Hand Down." Our first question comes from Ernesto Gabilondo with Bank of America. You can open your microphone.

Ernesto Gabilondo (BBVA Financial Equity Analyst)

Thank you. Hi, good afternoon, Pablo. Thanks for the opportunity to ask questions.

My first question will be on your expectations for longer-term for this and next year, and what would be the macro assumptions behind it in terms of GDP, inflation, and interest rates. And then my second question will be on your HSBC acquisition. So from what I have been looking into your press releases, I think you can issue at most 162 million shares to acquire HSBC, which is roughly 11% of the total shares outstanding. But how much net income would HSBC be adding to Galicia's operation? And when do you think you can communicate some pro forma details on the transaction? Do you think this could be more known December or maybe until the next quarter? Any color on this will be very helpful. And then my last question is on your ROE expectations.

Just wondering if you continue to see ROE levels between 25%-30% this year, and how much ROE can we expect for next year? And maybe adding to the second question is, if there is kind of visibility on how much additional basis points could add the HSBC acquisition to the consolidated ROE of Galicia. Thank you.

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

Okay. Thank you, Ernesto. Well, first, going to the loan book evolution, you have seen an important real growth in the third quarter. And actually, if you consider the end of December and the end of December last year and end of September this year, the accumulated real growth was around 35%, so a significant growth. If the fourth quarter finishes as it is today, we could be ending the year with a loan growth of roughly 55% in real terms.

Despite the macroeconomic situation, as you said, this year, GDP would be contracting. In the first or in the previous quarter, we were forecasting a 3.8% GDP contraction. These days, most of the economists are saying that the contraction would be lower than that, so perhaps 3.4 or so. Most of the economists are forecasting a 5% GDP recovery for next year. That gives us a good base to think that next year, loans could be growing in the area of 50% in real terms. Of course, it's harder to grow this type of percentages after the rebound we saw, but we are comfortable with that, with a lower inflation and therefore lower interest rates and GDP recovering, loan demand will keep on growing at these very high levels.

To give you an idea, with the monthly inflation of 3% in October or around, loans are growing in real terms almost 8%. So the growth is already in the system. Next year, inflation, I didn't mention, we are forecasting right now around 37%. That is a moving target, but likely it is going down. And also, interest rates are going down. The monetary policy rate was reduced last week, last Friday, from 40% to 35%, and therefore all the interest rates in the system are going down, not only time deposits, but also the interest rates we charge on loans. There is a lag, so in terms of NIM, it's better for us. So we are more liability sensitive in that respect. Perhaps we can jump to the third question, ROE, and then speak a little bit more about HSBC.

In the first nine months, the accumulated ROE stands at 30%. So with a good fourth quarter that is likely to be better than the third one, we could be in the area that you mentioned between 25% and 30% annual real ROE. And for next year, I would say without taking into consideration HSBC and also speaking about the fourth quarter, so Banco Galicia and Grupo Financiero Galicia standing alone without the effects of the acquisition, we could be thinking in a 15 to higher teens level. Now, we must go to the issue of HSBC. To make some history, we announced the deal, the agreement with HSBC back in April this year. We got the approval from the Central Bank in mid-September, and we think we are going to have the closing in early December this year.

So, there we will see the effects in the accounting, all the numbers. There are many considerations. First, the bank will be the one that will be purchasing 58% of the shares, while the group, the holding company, will be purchasing 42%. Also, the group will be buying a subordinated debt. issued by HSBC Bank, and that is currently in the hands of some vehicle in the U.K. And therefore, for the Grupo Financiero Galicia portion, this 42% of the shares plus the subordinated debt, they are going to issue or Grupo will be issuing shares in the order of 114 million shares, so 11.4 million ADRs. The shareholders' meeting approved up to 115. And that will take place also in early December. Once we do the closing, HSBC will receive these ADRs, and the bank will pay in cash $275 million.

That basically will be coming, or the origin is the bond that we issued with Banco Galicia at the beginning of October. We issued $325 million. Going to the accounting impacts, we need to see from a third-party independent consultant, which is the fair value of what we purchased, and compare it with the price. And therefore, we will have a one-off positive effect. We could also be having some, I would say, two parts, one-off. It sounds not very rational, but perhaps part of the positive effect is also in the first quarter of next year, as we are going to have some price adjustment, and that will happen in January or even February. And we also have to see if we provision some expenses due to the restructuring process in terms of certain executives or also some gain of synergies with branches and so on.

So still, we are not prepared to speak about the net accounting results, but remember that we paid 40% of book value. So definitely, it will be positive. If we think in HSBC ROE, I would say that in the last couple of years, most of the banks were making high levels or high level of ROEs. And in absolute terms, HSBC is roughly 30% of the size of Banco Galicia, not Grupo, of the bank. So you can assume that net income of HSBC could be roughly 30% of the bank's net income. Then there will come the synergies. That is something that we didn't include in the price we offered when we got the approval or the agreement, more than the approval, in April this year. What else?

So the fourth quarter numbers will show a lot of these impacts, and that the next quarter results should be issued in late February or early March. So we still need three more months to see in more detail the positive impacts.

Ernesto Gabilondo (BBVA Financial Equity Analyst)

No, this is super, super helpful, very detailed. Just to follow up in terms of Galicia's ROE for next year, so you said it could be around 20%?

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

I said without considering any extraordinary effect from HSBC, around 15% would be high teens, so let's say between 15% and 18%.

Ernesto Gabilondo (BBVA Financial Equity Analyst)

Okay. And this is conservative considering that the loan book is taking off, and you should also have lower losses in the net monetary position. So do you think this assumption could be kind of conservative?

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

Well, it could be seen as conservative because, as you said, loan book is going to grow a lot.

Any NIM compression, in my opinion, will be much softer than the one we saw in this third quarter. And also, depending on some changes in regulation, we could be having additional income, for example, in what we call foreign trade, foreign, sorry, foreign exchange, basically selling and purchasing dollars from our clients. Also, foreign trade due to more exports and imports, but basically another fee-related revenues or services. But again, as we are or we will be in the middle of adding an equity participation at lower price than the fair value and having extraordinary one-off gains and provisions and adding two different banks, it will be hard to really see if this will materialize. This is, again, standing alone.

Ernesto Gabilondo (BBVA Financial Equity Analyst)

Okay. No, excellent. Excellent. Thank you very much, Pablo.

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

You're welcome, Ernesto.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Brian Flores with Citi. You can open your microphone.

Brian Flores (VP of Equity Research)

Hi, Pablo and Tim. Thank you for the opportunity. I have two questions. The first one is on capital, right? You have been consuming capital very strongly. Also, funding is increasing, which in theory is helpful, but I know that the main driver of this growth is USD deposits, which are restricted, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe this has changed, and if it has, please let me know. But I think, let's say, the multiplier that is embedded on these deposits that are USD-denominated is not as large as peso-denominated ones. And we also have, as you mentioned, the acquisition of HSBC. Naturally, this should bring also some capital, right, in the acquisition and the consolidation. But you're consuming capital very fast, right, because you are growing in, let's say, very dense in terms of risk assets, right?

You're growing in SME, you're growing in credit cards, which is obviously where you are very strong. So I think this is natural. So just can you, the first question is, can you guide us through capital consumption? If at any point in 2025, you're already thinking about maybe raising capital, how can we think about this? Because from what we can see, capital consumption is going to be very strong. And then I'll make my second question. Thank you.

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

Okay. Hi, Brian. Well, first, some comments on dollar-denominated deposits. We are about to finish a tax amnesty program organized by the government. It was due at the beginning, at the end of September. Then it was postponed till the end of October, and now till the end of this week.

You can see that back at the end of June, roughly our dollar-denominated deposits were $2.8 billion, and at the end of September, around $6.5 billion. So that growth was for all the system, but our market share in dollar-denominated deposits is even higher. One thing that is important to have in mind is that this tax amnesty plan, main objective is to foster the economy. Basically, once people declare their dollars, they can or are able to purchase an apartment or a car or even a corporate bond. So the idea is not to increase tax revenues, but on the other hand, to move the economy to foster the economy. So these deposits in dollars gradually will be converting to Pesos in the economy, and the banks will be increasing this multiplier factor.

You are right that dollar-denominated deposits, if they stay in dollars, they can just be lent to exporters. We increase the loan book too, but the NIMs are much lower. The cost is zero, but the yield we charge, the yields or interest rates we charge are also very low, and therefore, NIMs are low because loan-to-deposit ratio in dollars is about, I don't know, 20%, 18%-20%. There is a lot of supply of dollars and lack of demand. That's one thing. The other thing is the capital ratio. We grew significantly in the third quarter, but we also built capital with positive results, and the total capital ratio stands at 26.4%. With the positive effects due to the purchase of HSBC, this will increase.

With the assumption or what we think loan book evolution will, or how the loan book will evolve next year, we could be thinking in a capital ratio at the end of 2025 of 19%-20%. This is the order of magnitude we are having today. We are not at all thinking in any capital increase next year. Even if you ask me twice, I would say not even in 2026. Yes, definitely, as we are reducing our government bonds book and increasing the private sector lending, the capital ratio will be going down. Again, from very, very high levels to high levels.

Brian Flores (VP of Equity Research)

Super clear, Pablo. My other question was on just confirming what you mentioned to Ernesto's question on loan growth, right?

Because I understood that for this year, sorry, 2025, you reiterated maybe 50%, but I didn't understand if 2024 was actually revised upwards. I think you were mentioning in the second quarter conference call between 35 and 40 in real terms. Are you seeing a slight pickup for 2024?

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

Yes. Well, actually, what I said is that if you consider, of course, in homogeneous currency, the end of September loan book of the bank and the end of December last year, the growth was around 35%. So we could be ending this year with numbers between 50% and 55% real loan growth because in the fourth quarter of last year, there was a reduction in real terms of loans. So yes, 2024 would be a growth, or the final number would be higher than we expected three months ago.

Brian Flores (VP of Equity Research)

Perfect.

And Pablo, just a very final follow-up on what you mentioned on capital, right? I think the last time there was capital raises across Argentine banks was 2017, 2018. I don't know if you could just remind us at what level did you decide in terms of Core Equity Tier 1 to raise capital to seize these beneficial market conditions back then?

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

Yes. In 2017, we raised $630 million. And at that moment, the capital ratio was around, sorry if I'm not very precise in this number, it was around 12.5% or so, and we were seeing strong loan demand. And at that time, I remember that all our peers with listed shares also raised capital. And then, well, in 2018, the macroeconomic conditions changed, and then the political scenario changed, so there was no need for this capital.

And actually, then the central bank didn't allow banks to pay dividends, and that's why we built most of the banks these high capital ratios. But that was the core capital ratio back in September 2017.

Brian Flores (VP of Equity Research)

Super clear. Thank you.

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

You're welcome.

Operator (participant)

Next question from Rui Fernandes with JP Morgan. You can open your microphone.

Rui Fernandes (Managing Director)

Thank you and good afternoon. I would like to explore a little bit the loan yields. When we go to your margins, it has been coming down, and again, I guess there is no surprise. But when we go to the interest income coming from loans, we see some decrease. So Pablo, if you can explain what to expect, you mentioned in a previous answer saying something like this could be the weakest quarter, maybe the loan yields may recover.

So whatever you can provide on different product dynamics, how to think about the yields. And on deposits, just to follow up on the previous questions from Brian, your deposits are growing fine, right? Like 40% quarter over quarter, this is above loans. But as Brian said, this is mostly coming from foreign deposits, right? The local peso-denominated deposits are up 6% quarter over quarter. So how to attract deposits? Because capital is part of the equation, but liability is also necessary. So how to bring more deposits for the bank? Thank you.

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

Hi, Rui. Well, first, on yields, it's of course very different. The interest rate we have in Pesos and in Dollars, and therefore NIMs.

If you look at one specific chart in our press release, let me go very quickly, you will see that in the third quarter, the average yield on loans was in Pesos 48.5%, while in Dollars was 6%. And the same happens with the interest-bearing liabilities. And therefore, if you look at the NIM in Pesos, it's around 31%, in Dollars, around 4%. I'm speaking just about the Banco, including Naranja. We can say something about Naranja later. We saw in November or early November a reduction in interest rate, the monetary policy rate from 40% to 35%. That helps us at the beginning, at least, in the sense that the liabilities go lower quicker than the assets. So for NIMs, it's good. Also, as interest rates go down, and that is mainly because the Central Bank sees the monthly inflation going down.

Also, many government bonds are or have been rising their prices. So it's good for our results. So we are seeing good yields for the fourth quarter in Pesos. In Dollars, there is less upside in that respect because of such a big amount of dollar-denominated deposits. And of course, we want to foster or have more intermediation in Pesos than in Dollars. As I said, part of these Dollars will be in some way converting to Pesos once the economy begins to grow. Actually, it has already begun to grow. And we not only depend on deposits in order to satisfy the loan demand, we also are reducing short-term government bonds in order to satisfy that. And one more idea, in order to have more deposits, and mainly transactional deposits, you have to have many clients and very good payment and collection capabilities.

So we are very good at that. And I think that the economy of scale with HSBC will also help to have more deposits and more raw material to grow.

Rui Fernandes (Managing Director)

So super clear, Pablo. I remember in the past, you mentioned NIMs expectations going to mid-20s, like 25. Is this still a good proxy for the near term? Anything you can share on total NIMs?

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

Considering Pesos?

Rui Fernandes (Managing Director)

Pesos and Dollars. I think it was 2020.

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

We have to see how this breakdown between Pesos and Dollars gradually changes because, in my opinion, this third quarter is the peak between Pesos and Dollars, meaning that Dollars, and mainly looking at deposits, are like 50-50, and it used to be 80-20 not many quarters ago. So I think Dollars should be converting to Pesos in a way.

Also, some Dollars are going back to the typical savings account in Dollars, not the, because for this tax amnesty plan, the clients had to open a new special account. What we are seeing is some kind of move from these special accounts to the typical savings accounts. And also, some people are taking out some Dollars in order to sell them and spend the money in Pesos. So we think that will gradually change. But 25% could be a good mid-term point. And if inflation keeps on going down, perhaps we can get to 20% level in, I don't know, one year and a half or so. Many times, if we look at the 2017 or 2018 numbers, could be where we could be getting in a couple of years. This is a kind of a pendulum.

Also, when we look at the breakdown of assets and liabilities, if we look at the 2017 or 2018 numbers, we can have a kind of idea where the trends could be going. Basically, when we look at loans to total assets, it used to be 65%-70%. Right now, we are below 40%. So that would be much higher than the previous quarter. So this should be the type of numbers we will see in the coming quarters.

Rui Fernandes (Managing Director)

Thank you very much, Pablo.

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

You're welcome, Rui.

Operator (participant)

Next question from Walter Chiaversio with Santander. You can open your microphone.

Walter Chiarvesio (Head of Equity Research)

Yes, hi. Thank you for answering the question. Most of the questions that I have been already answered, but I would like to ask you two questions.

One is related to the inflation-adjusted loss that as a percentage of the operating result was quite higher than the previous quarter, despite that inflation was actually lower. So is there a way that you can think that we should use to estimate that looking forward or why that happened in this quarter? That is one question. And secondly, the book value of Grupo increased quite more than what the results of the quarter suggest, even despite that you distributed some dividend during the quarter. And I don't find a reason for that within some other assets and liability. If you could give a hint or any idea of why the equity of Grupo increased more than what the results suggest during the quarter, those are my two questions. Thank you.

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

Hi, Walter. Well, the first one is hard to project.

It's something that depends not only on the quarterly inflation, but how it plays each month, and also what we call the liquid net worth. But what is definitely better for any bank's balance sheet is the lower the inflation, the lower this monetary loss. But in order to project it, I share with you the difficulty, and it's a result we get each quarter. And luckily, I cannot help you much with that. Regarding the increase in Grupo's book value, I think it's the result of the other comprehensive, basically, the bonds that are, or the results that are within other comprehensive income more than the pure net income. And as you said, there were payments of dividends, but they were mostly in the second quarter.

We can see perhaps in detail later if you want to specifically send me the numbers if this answer doesn't match your numbers.

Walter Chiarvesio (Head of Equity Research)

Yes, I would appreciate that. So you think it comes from some accounting related to the bonds, the reason why the equity increased more than what the results have suggested? Is that right?

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

Yes. Yes.

Walter Chiarvesio (Head of Equity Research)

All right. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much, Pablo.

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

You're welcome.

Operator (participant)

Next question from Marina Mertens with Latin Securities. You can open your microphone.

Marina Mertens (Head of Corporate Debt Research)

Hi. Hi. Good afternoon. I have a question about the securities portfolio composition. So how do you see it evolving moving forward? And also, with the recent rally in the caps, do you expect this to be a relevant contributor to the fourth quarter results?

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

Hi, Marina. Well, the securities portfolio is very dynamic. Typically, we have a portion that is at fair value or mark to market.

Then we have another portion or percentage that is at cost plus yield that basically in the past was made by all the CPI linkers, the bonds that adjust by inflation that were in our books in order to hedge against inflation. That portfolio should gradually change because we are now in a scenario of positive interest rates in real terms. In the past, when we had negative interest rates in real terms, we had to protect basically our net worth, our liquid net worth, and then we have the caps, very short-term instrument for our liquidity, and yes, there was a rally, and well, we should wait till the end of December to see if the prices stay at this level, but if I had to say today, yes, definitely they will have or they have a positive impact.

Marina Mertens (Head of Corporate Debt Research)

Okay. Thank you.

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

You're welcome, Marina.

Operator (participant)

Next question from Nicolas Riva with Bank of America. You can open your microphone.

Nicolas Riva (Director)

Thanks very much, Pablo, for the chance to ask questions. You mentioned that after the end of the quarter, you issued the 2028, the senior bond, the dollars to be used to pay for the acquisition of HSBC Argentina. But you also have the 2026 tier twos. And I know that you didn't exercise the call option back in 2021. I don't think you would be able to fully redeem at par now those bonds. But given they only count $50 million as tier two capital, then my question would be if there's any restrictions for you to do a tender offer on these bonds and at the same time to issue new tier twos, so as to use the Dollars raised with the new tier twos to do a tender offer on the 2026s. Thanks.

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

Hi, Nicolas. Well, if you ask me what is in our minds today, it's to wait till July 2026 and pay back the bond, the $250 million subordinated bond once they come due. The call was just one day, as you said, in 2021, and we didn't exercise it. At that moment, the bond has or had a full capacity in terms of tier two. Now it's a 20% portion, so it's not very relevant. And we are not really considering issuing another tier two bond. So after the issuance of this senior bond, the $325 million, really, we don't see the need to raise more money. And this bond really is yielding very the yield is very low. So really replacing it with another bond, perhaps it doesn't make sense. So no, really, the answer would be no.

And the most likely scenario will be to pay it in July 2026.

Nicolas Riva (Director)

Okay. Thanks very much, Pablo.

Pablo Firvida (Head of Investor Relations)

You're welcome, Nicolas. Well, I don't see anybody else on the queue. If that is all, well, I will close, of course, saying thank you all for attending this call. And of course, if you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Good afternoon. Thank you.