Graham - Q2 2024
November 6, 2023
Transcript
Operator (participant)
Greetings. Welcome to Graham Corporation's second quarter 2024 financial results. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the phone presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Deborah Pawlowski, Investor Relations for Graham Corporation. You may begin.
Deborah Pawlowski (Chairman and CEO)
Thank you, Shamali, and good morning, everyone. We certainly appreciate your time today and your interest in Graham Corporation. Here with me on the call are Dan Thoren, our President and CEO, and Chris Thome, our Chief Financial Officer. You should have a copy of the second quarter fiscal 2024 financial results that were released earlier this morning. If not, you can find that release along with slides and supplemental sales orders and backlog information on our website at ir.grahamcorp.com. We will reference the slides during our presentation today. Dan and Chris are going to provide their formal remarks, after which we will open the line for questions. So if you will turn to slide two, I will review the safe harbor statement. You should be aware that we may make some forward-looking statements during the formal discussion as well as during the Q&A session.
These statements apply to future events that are subject to risks and uncertainties, as well as other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from what is stated here today. These risks and uncertainties and other factors are provided in the earnings release, as well as with other documents filed by the company with the Securities and Exchange Commission. You can find those documents on our website or at sec.gov. During today's call, we will also discuss some non-GAAP financial measures. We believe these will be useful in evaluating our performance. However, you should not consider the presentation of this additional information in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP. We have provided reconciliation of non-GAAP measures with comparable GAAP measures in the tables that accompany today's release and slides.
We also use key performance indicators to help gauge the progress and performance of the company. These key performance metrics are orders, backlog, and book-to-bill. They are operational measures, and the company's methodology for calculating these numbers does not meet the definition of a non-GAAP measure, as that term is defined by the SEC. So as a result, a quantitative reconciliation of each of these is not required or provided. But you can find the disclaimer regarding our use of performance metrics at the back of our deck in the supplemental slides. So with that, if you would please advance to slide three, I'll turn it over to Dan to begin. Dan?
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Thanks, Debbie, and good morning, everyone. We continue to make solid progress, winning more business, improving processes, and executing better. During the quarter, we shipped the last of the first article units related to the Naval Nuclear Propulsion Program for both the Columbia-class submarine and the Ford-class carrier. We learned a lot building these units and expect to carry those learnings forward as we work on the next units for these programs. I'll remind you that we do want more first article work. That is the first step in getting more content on the ships. Any new content wins, though, will not be of the magnitude our first efforts were, so our learning curve will not be as painful to margins. Our new credit agreement provides us with greater financial flexibility through greater borrowing capacity to fund our growth. Chris will talk more about this later.
Speaking of growth, we had a record level of monthly orders in October at approximately $110 million. A large part of the total included follow-on orders to supply more heat exchangers for a strategic Navy program. As we continue to steadily progress towards our fiscal 2027 goals, we are also identifying new opportunities for growth and margin expansion. There's lots of exciting things happening at Graham. Slide four highlights our strengthening financial results that reflect the effectiveness of our strategy. Revenue grew 18% year-over-year to $45 million, while gross margin expanded 220 basis points. Our improvements are translating to the bottom line. We had net income of $411,000 and earnings per diluted share of $0.04. Adjusted EBITDA was $2.7 million and 6% of sales.
Our book-to-bill for the quarter is somewhat misleading. Given the size of our defense orders and the timing of their release causes a lumpy flow for our business. As I noted earlier, October orders more than made up for what we received in orders during the second quarter. With that, let me turn it over to Chris for the financial details. Chris?
Chris Thome (CFO)
Thank you, Dan, and good morning, everyone. As expected, our results for the second quarter normalized compared to the better-than-expected first quarter, but were still strong and consistent with our plan. On slide five, you can see that our strategy is working. We had strong sales growth for our second quarter of fiscal 2024, with sales of $45.1 million. This was up 18% over the prior year period. During the quarter, defense revenue increased $10.3 million or 69%, reflecting more direct labor, better execution, the timing of material receipts, and improved pricing. Additionally, commercial aftermarket sales to the refining and petrochemical markets continued to be strong and were $10.8 million, up $4.6 million, or 74% over the second quarter last year.
Strong sales in the commercial aftermarket helped to offset the soft environment for capital projects in the refining and petrochemical industries. Declines in the space market reflect timing of projects and the loss of a customer in April 2023 due to their bankruptcy. U.S. sales for the quarter were 86% of total revenue, up 27% year-over-year, and reflect the size and growth of our defense business. I should also note that included in defense in the quarter were certain aerospace defense applications that have become more meaningful. Compared with the prior year period, the 36% increase in gross profit and 220 basis point expansion of gross margin reflected higher volume and the related improved absorption, a healthy mix of higher-margin commercial aftermarket sales, better execution, and better pricing on our defense contracts.
Touching on SG&A, excluding amortization, it was $6.1 million, or 14% of sales, up $1.1 million. Approximately $800,000 of the increase was attributable to the supplemental performance bonus for Barber-Nichols employees in connection with the 2021 acquisition. Other increases included inflation of personnel costs, as well as increased professional fees of approximately $200,000, driven by increasing complexity in our business associated with growth and our international operations. Turning to slide six, you can see the net result was that we had net income in the quarter of $400,000 or $0.04 per diluted share.
On a non-GAAP basis, adjusted net income and adjusted net income per diluted share were $1.4 million and $0.13 per share, respectively, compared with adjusted net income and adjusted net income per diluted share of $300,000 and $0.03 per share during the same period a year ago. This represents a greater than 300% increase for both metrics. Adjusted EBITDA grew 76% to $2.7 million, or 6% of sales, also reflecting the improvements in our business. This compares with last year's second quarter adjusted EBITDA of $1.5 million, or 4% of sales. Turning to slide seven, you can see how we are strengthening our balance sheet. Cash and cash equivalents as of September 30th, 2023, increased 41% to $25.8 million, compared with the end of the fourth quarter.
Cash generated from operations in the second quarter was $3.3 million, and $11.9 million for the first six months of fiscal 2024. Capital expenditures for the second quarter totaled $1.8 million and $3.3 million for the first six months of fiscal 2024. For the year, we continue to expect capital expenditures to be between $12 million and $13.5 million as we continue to invest in growth and productivity improvement initiatives. This includes expenditures in connection with the $13.5 million strategic investment from one of our larger defense customers to expand and enhance production capabilities at our Batavia facility that we announced in August. Debt during the quarter was down $900,000-$10.9 million.
However, following the close of the quarter, we refinanced all of our outstanding debt with a new, lower-cost, $50 million revolving credit facility that matures in 2028. $35 million of the facility is available immediately. The remaining $15 million will be available to us once we have trailing 12-month EBITDA, as defined in the credit agreement, of $15 million for three consecutive quarters. We used this new facility and cash on hand to pay down our outstanding debt, and as of today, we have no debt outstanding. The new revolver provides the flexibility to support our growth, working capital, and capital expenditure requirements, and lowers our borrowing costs. If you'll now turn to slide eight, I'll review our orders for the quarter.
During the quarter, we had orders of $36.5 million, which were down 60% over the prior year and resulted in a book-to-bill ratio of 0.8x. Last year's second quarter reflected the $70 million in repeat orders for critical U.S. Navy programs. As Dan discussed, orders in October were a record $110 million, which were primarily related to similar repeat orders to the defense industry. This order level raised our backlog to over $400 million. Turning to slide nine, you'll see that we have a strong backlog that provides us several years visibility, given the long lead times of some of our defense business. As I mentioned, backlog is now up over $400 million. Approximately 50% of our backlog is expected to be converted to sales in the next 12 months.
And another 25%-30% is expected to convert to sales over the next one to two years. The majority of orders expected to convert beyond 24 months are for the defense industry, specifically the U.S. Navy. Turning to slide 10, we can review our guidance for fiscal 2024, which is consistent with the raised guidance from last quarter. Fiscal 2024, for fiscal 2024, we continue to expect revenue to be between $170 million-$180 million, which suggests top-line growth over fiscal 2023 of 11% at the midpoint of that range. From a margin perspective, our gross margin guidance is 18%-19%.
Additionally, our expectation is for SG&A, including amortization, to be between 15%-16% of sales, and includes costs associated with the supplemental performance bonus for Barber-Nichols employees in connection with the 2021 acquisition, as well as ERP implementation costs at our Batavia facility, which began this month. Our expectation is that adjusted EBITDA will be between $11.5 million-$13.5 million, which suggests an adjusted EBITDA margin of about 7% at the midpoint of that range. I should point out that our adjusted EBITDA guidance excludes approximately $2.5 million-$4 million related to the Barber-Nichols performance bonus and ERP conversion costs, as well as approximately $700,000 of debt extinguishment charges in connection with our refinance.
While our guidance for the year suggests a softer second half, it is a reflection of the significant overperformance in Q1, the seasonally softer Q3 due to the holidays, and a timing and mix of projects. Nevertheless, as we start work on our better price contracts, employing our much improved processes, we expect margins to improve steadily each year in order to achieve our low- to mid-teen adjusted EBITDA margin goal in 2027. With that, I will pass the call back to Dan.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Thanks, Chris. As I noted earlier, we are making solid progress as an organization, but we still have lots of work to do. Our team is fully committed to our strategy for continual improvement and growth, and I greatly appreciate their dedication, enthusiasm, and hard work. We have good visibility with our backlog that has a much better margin profile now, and we have many opportunities in front of us that we expect to help to advance our growth and earnings power. With that, Shamali, we can open the call for questions.
Operator (participant)
Sure. At this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question comes from the line of Theodore O'Neill with Litchfield Hills Research. Please proceed with your question.
Theodore O'Neill (CEO)
Thank you very much, and congratulations on the good quarter.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Thanks, Theo.
Theodore O'Neill (CEO)
Yeah. So, Chris, with this new revolver and having paid off the debt, do you have the flexibility to take on new debt, like for an acquisition or similar, if you want to?
Chris Thome (CFO)
Yeah, absolutely. That's, that's the nice thing about this new credit facility, is that it is an all-revolver strategy, so we can borrow and repay as, as we need. As I mentioned in my comments today, we do the facility automatically increases to $50 million once we hit a $15 million EBITDA run rate, as defined in the agreement. So, yeah, the structure that we put in place is what I've typically seen at my past companies, where, you know, we were, we, we are very acquisitive in nature, and it allows for much flexibility. And, you know, we'll also use it for the increased level of CapEx spend that we've been talking about for several quarters here.
Theodore O'Neill (CEO)
Okay. And, so looking at your order book and how it... where it is right now, are you taking share from somebody else, or is this a reflection of just a, a vast array of products you have to offer into the marketplace?
Chris Thome (CFO)
Yes.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Yeah, I-
Chris Thome (CFO)
Go ahead, Dan.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Yeah, Theo, I would say that it's basically confidence from our customers that say, "Gosh, you've been doing a great job for us, and here's more work." As we've heard, you know, in the media, the U.S. Navy is really trying to ramp up shipbuilding, and, you know, the sooner that they can get orders in the supply chain's hands, the faster we can start to execute it. So, it's definitely, you know, confidence in us as a supplier and an attribute to the good work that all of our folks are doing.
Theodore O'Neill (CEO)
A follow-up on the Navy. I did a quick search looking at what other companies have been saying about the Ford-class program. The only thing I see, I see everybody saying it's all fine, except that BWX Technologies is just saying, as they said on the first, that there is a lull in the cadence of Ford-class orders right now. Are you seeing any, anything, any hiccups in the cadence of the Ford-class business?
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
No, we're not, we're not seeing any hiccups. They are kind of long between orders, so they go kind of four to five years between orders, and so, you know, it does feel like a long time between orders, but we're not hearing anything.
Theodore O'Neill (CEO)
Okay. All right. Thanks very much.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Our next question comes from the line of Dick Ryan with Oak Ridge Financial. Please proceed with your question.
Dick Ryan (VP and Senior Research Analyst)
Thank you. Congratulations on the continued strong performance, guys.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Thanks, Dick.
Dick Ryan (VP and Senior Research Analyst)
So, you know, you've gotten through the first articles. Obviously, some of that, you know, was quite the learning curve a couple of years back. I think you alluded to that you'd be interested in other first article business. Are there such projects in the pipeline, and is there... could you kind of handicap the timing if there are?
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Yeah, there are more opportunities out there. You know, again, the Navy has said, "We want to go faster." The Navy has passed within their defense budget supplier money that they can invest in suppliers to increase capacity and accelerate the building of these ships and submarines. So yeah, we continue to talk to our customers, who are the primes, and looking for additional work. And they're very interested in keeping us full, fully engaged and all the way up to 100% capacity. They don't want to overload us, though, because that can be a challenge also if we get behind. And so yes, there's more opportunities.
I would say, I can't really handicap timing right now, but we're in continual conversation with our customers about taking on more work.
Dick Ryan (VP and Senior Research Analyst)
Okay. And the investment from the customer, $13.5 million, where is that? When will that start coming into play, and what are you going to be using it for?
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Yeah, so we've already started that. So we have placed long lead equipment on order that means CNC machining equipment as well as automated welders. We're looking at facility expansion, and we've started the planning process around facility expansion also. So we think that we're still, you know, a year and a half to two years away from having a facility that's up and in production that enables us to accelerate the production. Certainly, our current facilities can continue to push through at the rate that we already are committed to. But this additional investment really allows for acceleration and getting product through faster to support the accelerated ship building schedule.
Dick Ryan (VP and Senior Research Analyst)
Okay. And the defense, or I, yeah, I think you had a release not too long ago about Barber-Nichols getting some hydrogen business. What's going on on their side of the ledger? Is any of that defense orders or the defense orders that came in, the 110, is any of that for BN or is that all Batavia?
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
The majority of it was Batavia, but BN continues to get their share of big defense orders. The hydrogen economy is pretty interesting. There's a lot going on right now. I think you probably saw the announcements from the federal government that they had funded seven hydrogen hubs around the country. That's basically trying to put the infrastructure in place to enable use of hydrogen for mostly for mobility, so for transportation related things. So that's pretty exciting. We obviously continue to work with several different customers in helping them put together the pieces of the hydrogen infrastructure, and so both companies are pretty involved in all of that.
Too early to say, I would say, at this point in time, but kind of exciting things happening. Slower probably than anybody wants, you know, as most new efforts are, but we see steady progress in the hydrogen economy.
Dick Ryan (VP and Senior Research Analyst)
Okay, great. Thank you.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Thanks, Dick.
Operator (participant)
Our next question comes from the line of Gary Schwab with Valley Forge Capital Management. Please proceed with your question.
Gary Schwab (President and Research Analyst)
Yeah. Hi, guys. Going back to that press release on October 19th about Universal Hydrogen. I had... That wasn't actually a hydrogen product, that was an antifreeze pump you were making. Could you explain a little bit more about that?
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Yeah. In that particular case, you're exactly right, Gary. It was a water glycol pump that was used for cooling on that aircraft. But in addition to that, that technology demonstrator, we're involved in other hydrogen transferring pumps in different applications. That you'll be able to see here in the future, but can't talk about those quite yet.
Gary Schwab (President and Research Analyst)
Okay. And then again, going back to that Universal Hydrogen, I took a look at them. They're an interesting company, and they make hydrogen modules that have to be filled with liquid hydrogen at their base, at the source, at their base, wherever they produce that hydrogen, and that has to go into the modules. Is Barber-Nichols doing anything with that part? Because that's where their cryogenic systems work.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Right. So I guess I could say, you know, in very broad terms, that a lot of the industrial gas companies are very interested in the hydrogen economy. They're looking at that area as another market to sell their product. And each one of those companies is looking at, you know, their involvement in these hydrogen hubs, where you know, the liquid hydrogen can be produced from and then distributed from. And so Barber-Nichols in its cryogenic pump capability is working with several different folks in that area. But again, we're under NDA and can't talk too much about that.
Gary Schwab (President and Research Analyst)
Okay. Just one last small one. On the LD Micro conference, Matt Malone happened to talk about you guys developing some kind of critical rotating machinery for small modular nuclear units that would fill up the size of a small tractor-trailer.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Yep.
Gary Schwab (President and Research Analyst)
Can you talk about that at all?
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Very little, actually, again, because we're under NDA. But, you know, Barber-Nichols makes some very specialty turbomachinery. These are pumps and turbines and compressors, and they can be used to transfer the working fluid through the nuclear power plant. And those working fluids, you know, from different companies are pretty unique types of working fluid. And so they require kind of the specialty pumps and turbines. BN could be involved in the circulation of those fluids. They could also be involved in the power production, so using turbines to produce the power that comes from the heat in those small modular nuclear type devices.
So again, yeah, think of it as very specialty types of equipment that we're using for technology demonstration at this point. And as those continue to progress and mature, we're hopeful that we're on the right horse in this race to be able to supply those in quantity in the future. But it's still quite a ways to go.
Gary Schwab (President and Research Analyst)
Okay, great. And, good quarter. Thanks. Thanks, Dan.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Our next question comes from the line of John Bair with Ascend Wealth Advisors. Please proceed with your question.
John Bair (President and Head of Equity Research)
Thank you. Good morning, Dan and Chris.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Hey, John.
Chris Thome (CFO)
Hey, John.
John Bair (President and Head of Equity Research)
Great progress. Great progress. Very pleased to see it. One quick question on the new credit facility. Wondering what you're thinking, if anything, about reinstating a dividend now that you're getting better. Is that further off in the distance?
Chris Thome (CFO)
Yeah, thanks, John. You know, as we have been talking for a few quarters now, we have a lot of organic growth opportunities in front of us. You know, as the guidance was laid out on the call today, you know, we have a significant amount of CapEx spend, you know, $12 million-$13.5 million this year. You know, I would expect a similar level next year. So we have a lot of inorganic growth opportunities in front of us, as well as, you know, potential M&A down the line. So once those initiatives are exhausted, then we would look to, you know, returning it to shareholders in the form of a dividend or a buyback.
John Bair (President and Head of Equity Research)
Okay. And I had a lot of questions there have been discussed about the green hydrogen, so that kind of covers that. My other question in general: can you speak to what you're seeing with regards to space-related business? Is it holding steady? Are the... You know, what's your outlook there?
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Yeah, I would say, John, that on the space side, steady for us and with the potential of growth. You know, we've talked and been able to talk publicly about some of the oxygen blowers and water circulating pumps that are used on these backpacks for astronauts. And so we continue to see that going strong. You know, thus far, essentially what we've done is we've built development units for our customers to test. But we see, you know, eventually some orders coming for production versions of those. We're also seeing some good strength in thermal management systems for satellites.
So these are communication satellites that they're trying to put more and more volume through, and so the electronics need to be cooled, and that's what our equipment is doing. We're seeing some opportunities also for some of the lunar initiatives that are going on. Again, not high volume, it pretty interesting types of activities there, though. And so I would say that it won't be a huge growth area for us, but steady to slower growth is kind of what we're seeing at this point in time.
John Bair (President and Head of Equity Research)
Okay, great. And my last question, you noted in the press release about a strength in the short order, petro refining markets. Is that predominantly domestic, or how is that spread out?
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Yeah, we're seeing it mostly domestically. So, the aftermarket orders have been very, very strong as, you know, we're running refineries pretty hard in this country. And so we're seeing lots of spare parts to keep them running. We're starting to see a little bit of an uptick on the capital side within our pipeline, but nothing like in the past where we went through these big build out types of situations. So, you know, we're pretty happy with where the domestic market is on the aftermarket side. That's where our bigger margins are.
As these oil companies start to say, "You know, we need to expand, or revamp, or just replace some of this capital equipment that's, you know, been neglected for quite a while," we expect that we'll see some of the capital orders increasing.
John Bair (President and Head of Equity Research)
Great. Are there any new regulations in that area that might drive some of that need to spend capital by these companies?
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Not that I've seen, John.
John Bair (President and Head of Equity Research)
Yeah.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
You know, the thing that I have seen is, you know, some of these companies basically coming out and saying: Look, we, we've got to have, you know, these refineries running for, you know, decades more. I mean, the transition to clean energy isn't gonna be as fast as everybody's saying, and so we've got to keep these plants running. And the cost of some of the alternative energy isn't low enough for us to make a wholesale transition to, and frankly, the infrastructure isn't in place. So,
John Bair (President and Head of Equity Research)
Right.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
So, we're just starting to hear, and I think you're probably starting to hear that also, that people are walking back, you know, their projections for when they're carbon neutral. So, we're just kind of following along and figuring out how to support both the existing, you know, oil and gas business as well as the new energy business and transitioning as it makes sense to transition.
John Bair (President and Head of Equity Research)
Very good. Thanks.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Thanks, John.
John Bair (President and Head of Equity Research)
Thanks for taking my questions.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Thanks, John.
John Bair (President and Head of Equity Research)
Have a good holiday.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
You, too.
Operator (participant)
Our next question comes from the line of Bill Baldwin with Baldwin Anthony Securities. Please proceed with your question.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Yeah. Good morning, Dan and Chris.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Hey, Bill. Morning.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Chris, can you update us on the implementation timeframe on ERP and what the projected cost of that implementation will be?
Chris Thome (CFO)
Sure. So we've said it's gonna be about a 12- to 18-month process. We're taking our time and being very diligent about the way we're going through implementation. Quite frankly, you know, I've been through a number of implementations at several companies, and we are being very thoughtful in the fact that we're bringing on an extra consultant to kind of help us through and make sure that we stay on track and project manage, and to make sure that we really design the ERP system to optimize and get the most benefit from it. So we think it's about a 12- to 18-month project, which, you know, we're just kind of getting started here.
We think in total it's gonna cost about $3 million, $2 million of which will be CapEx, and then about $1 million in expense, which will be over this current fiscal year and next fiscal year.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Sounds like you got your arms around that one pretty good, and that's good. That's good. Remind me, Chris, of what's the total liability, if you will, of the company on the performance bonuses to the BN, BN folks?
Chris Thome (CFO)
Sure. So-
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Based on, you know, based on that deal you made with them.
Chris Thome (CFO)
Yep.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Three years, right? Okay.
Chris Thome (CFO)
So it's a three-year program, a potential of $2 million-$4 million per year, and that starts with fiscal year 2024. So we're gonna be... You know, we're gonna have this for fiscal year 2024, 2025, and 2026. And each year, it could be anywhere from a $2 million-$4 million payout.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Right.
Chris Thome (CFO)
So anywhere from $6 million-$12 million, which is lower than the original earn-out that was signed when the deal was made, of $7 million-$14 million. And it has-
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Right
Chris Thome (CFO)
certain, certain EBITDA targets that have to get hit... in order to achieve the $2 million-$4 million per year, and it progressively gets higher and higher, right? So for this year, it's $8.75 million of EBITDA. For next year, $9.5 million of EBITDA, and then the following year, $10.5 million of EBITDA. So significant growth to go along with those payments.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Is that adjusted EBITDA that you're using there, or just regular EBITDA?
Chris Thome (CFO)
So certainly, we would adjust out certain, you know, one-time things or things like that.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Right.
Chris Thome (CFO)
But for the most part, that's straight EBITDA. For all intents and purposes, it's straight EBITDA.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Okay. Okay. So we'll be seeing these bonus payments in pretty much quarterly, is that correct, throughout the next two and a half fiscal years?
Chris Thome (CFO)
Correct.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Okay.
Chris Thome (CFO)
Yep. Mm-hmm.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
What kind of visibility do you have on your aftermarket business with the refining companies, you know, refining petrochemicals? Do you have some fairly decent visibility there, or is that pretty short-term?
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
It's actually very short-term, Bill. So, you know, that's pretty quick to fill. So we're looking, you know, two to four months typically for filling those orders. And so we don't have a lot of visibility,
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Okay
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
for what it will be in six months, for instance.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Right. Have the orders held up pretty good so far then, as we, you know, get into Q3?
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Yeah.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
They're holding up nice and strong.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Yeah.
Chris Thome (CFO)
Which is the nice thing, Bill, about our defense business now, 'cause if we should happen to see a lull in some of these orders, right, we can just shift our resources to the defense. As you know, we, you know, with over $400 million of backlog now, we have quite a bit of runway.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
That's a good option to have there. Fantastic.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
It is.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. And, I guess lastly, I'll just ask, on the proverbial labor issues, labor question is, is labor availability, and training pretty much going as planned, or ahead of plan, or behind plan? How's that progressing in your shop there, your factory labor?
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Chris, you want to take that one?
Chris Thome (CFO)
Sure. You know, so I'd say, you know, again, as I've said on the last couple of calls, our, our HR team does a great job. From the second quarter of last year to now, our workforce is up 9%, and that's 13%. It's up 13%, 18% in direct labor at Batavia and Barber-Nichols, respectively. So they're doing a great job growing the labor force. I would even venture to say that we've seen a slight softening, as of late, in the labor market. So, you know, we've had a lot more applications and for welders and other machinists and things like that. But the team has also gotten very creative. As you know, we have the Arc + Flame welding program. We have apprenticeship programs that we've started.
So the team has really done a great job finding the talent that we need, you know, to support our growth. You know, we've kind of said that we want to see 8%-10% revenue growth per year, but as you know, we're a direct labor business, so without the direct labor, we're not gonna have that growth.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Thome (CFO)
So essentially, we're gonna need to grow our, our workforce just as much. But we've, they've done a great job to date.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Thome (CFO)
And I'd, I'd venture to say that we've, you know, we've seen a soft lightening, a soft-
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Mm-hmm
Chris Thome (CFO)
a slight softening as of late.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Well, when you get your factory capacity additions completed here in the next year, year and a half, I mean, can you quantify how much increase that gives you in your production capacity at the company? I mean, is that a doubling of capacity or a 50% increase?
Chris Thome (CFO)
Yeah, we have. It's not a doubling, but I would say it's consistent with our 8%-10% revenue growth per year that we're, you know, that we've guided to.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
So that'll take you out through the end of your strategic period, out through the end of 2027, then fiscal 2027.
Chris Thome (CFO)
Right. And then getting us to that low to mid-teen adjusted EBITDA margin as well.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Right. Right. So I guess you got to keep your labor force expanding here, so you'll have them ready when the new capacity comes on.
Chris Thome (CFO)
Exactly.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Yeah, we're typically very-
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
That's gonna be a timing issue there, isn't it?
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
It really is, Bill. I mean, we're basically projecting out into the future and saying, "Okay, we need this, and we need this, and we need this.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Right.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
So it's, you know, we're, we're keeping several different initiatives, from facilities, to tools, to systems, to people, all pushing forward-
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Oh, boy
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
to enable this steady growth. So, it's actually a ton of fun.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Well, I know you'd be intrigued by it, Dan and Chris. I mean, that, that's what keeps your blood flowing, that kind of stuff.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Exactly.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
At least one of the things. Lastly, is that capacity addition at both Batavia and BN, or is it mostly, mostly in Batavia?
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
So this more recent one is in Batavia, so the investment from the Navy customer that really is in Batavia. But we just finished a pretty significant expansion in Barber-Nichols-
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Uh-huh
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
you know, early this year.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Right.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
And we're continuing to look at, you know, what additional facilities do we need to, to continue with,
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Mm-hmm
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
to support this growth. So you'll see growth in facilities in both locations going forward.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
As I recall, you got the land to further expand your under-roof square footage there at BN, don't you, in Colorado?
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
In BN, it's a little tougher.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Is it?
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
In Batavia, in Batavia, we've got quite a bit of land, yes.
Bill Baldwin (Partner)
Okay. Well, thank you so much for your time. Best to you.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Thanks, Bill.
Chris Thome (CFO)
Thanks, Bill.
Operator (participant)
We have reached the end of the question and answer session, and I'll now turn the call back over to Dan Thoren for closing remarks.
Dan Thoren (President and CEO)
Thank you, Shamali. Thank you all for joining us today. I hope you can sense the excitement we have here at Graham about our future. We're delivering continuous improvement and expect to steadily progress towards our fiscal 2027 goals. We look forward to updating you further.