Hudson Pacific Properties - Earnings Call - Q2 2016
August 4, 2016
Transcript
Speaker 0
Greetings, and welcome to the Hudson Pacific Properties Second Quarter twenty sixteen Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Ms.
Kay Tindwell, Executive Vice President and General Counsel. Thank you. You may begin.
Speaker 1
Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Hudson Pacific Properties Second Quarter twenty sixteen Earnings Conference Call. With us today are the company's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Victor Coleman and Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer, Mark Wammoth. Before I hand the call over to them, please note that on this call, certain information presented contains forward looking statements. These statements are based on management's current expectations and are subject to risks, uncertainties and assumptions.
Potential risks and uncertainties that could cause the company's business and financial results to differ materially from these forward looking statements are described in the company's periodic reports filed with the SEC from time to time. All information discussed on this call is as of today, 08/04/2016, and Hudson Pacific does not intend and undertakes no duty to update future events or circumstances. In addition, certain of the financial information presented in this call represents non GAAP financial measures. The company's earnings release, which was released this morning and is available on the company's website, presents reconciliations to the appropriate GAAP measure and an explanation of why the company believes such non GAAP financial measures are useful to investors. And now I'd like to turn the call over to Victor Coleman, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Hudson Pacific.
Victor?
Speaker 2
Thanks, Gay. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our second quarter call. We had an excellent second quarter, so I'm going to dive right in. And once again, we outperformed on the leasing front, exceeding even our first quarter results by executing over 970,000 square feet of new and renewal deals, bringing our year to date total to an impressive 1,800,000 square feet. GAAP and cash rent spreads in the second quarter deals on the second quarter deals, the majority of which were in the Bay Area, were 5849%, respectively.
And with respect to leasing, I'm going to touch on a couple of this quarter's highlights all in the Bay Area that represent nice wins for our portfolio. First, I'll remind everyone that our Qualcomm renewed their lease for 365,000 square feet at our Skyport Plaza in North San Jose through 2022. Our team did what they do best on this renewal, which is address our largest 2017 expiration sixteen months ahead of schedule at favorable terms, and we're delighted that Qualcomm, an industry leader, well capitalized public technology company, will remain one of our largest tenants. We also signed a new lease, 37,000 square feet, with a company called BrightEdge Technologies for the entire floor at 989 Hillsdale Avenue, part of our Metro Center complex at Foster City. You may recall that Metro Center, currently 66% leased, is one of our high priority leased up assets.
Under the EOP Blackstone ownership, Sony vacated over 300,000 square feet of space in the two low rise buildings flanking the well known tower, an early success with activity, marketing and repositioning underway, which includes a major lobby upgrade, exterior re landscaping and common area improvements has generated additional activity of just over 100,000 square feet of requirements. We expect to have additional good news on Metro Center in the coming months. Our team continues to find creative ways to accelerate lease up on our Peninsula and Silicon Valley assets. At our Investor Day in May, we highlighted our Vacant Space Prep or VSP program, which leverages forward tenant improvements spend to capture demand for fast moving tenants, in turn reducing downtime on smaller vacancies in those markets. The first phase of the VSP spaces came to market in the third quarter of twenty fifteen.
And since that, we can attribute roughly 76,000 square feet of deals, either leased or in leases to that program. And in turn, we reduced downtime on each of these spaces by five to six months. The program has been so successful, we recently approved a second phase, another 260,000 square feet at our high priority leased up assets, which will be ready for occupancy in the third quarter of this year. In the San Francisco CBD, one of our largest tenants' sales force took down an additional 24,000 square feet at RingCon Center to backfill the entire space formerly occupied by Intrax. We're delighted that Salesforce continues to grow within our portfolio and view this transaction as a reaffirmation of their continued need for space at Rincon.
Our CBD portfolio remains stabilized at 95.8% leased, up 120 basis points for the quarter, and we have just 40,000 square feet expiring in the remainder of 2016, all of which is around 40% below market. And we expect to see continued strong demand from larger public and private tech companies for significant blocks of space in the CBD. Amazon's recently announced lease for 185,000 square feet in one of the city's under construction development projects at $62 per square foot triple net rents underscores this point. Now turning to L. A.
The city's economic expansion continues across all sectors, with unemployment reaching a new low at 4.3% in the quarter. Every Los Angeles County submarket had positive net absorption in the quarter and supply, particularly in the core markets, remains very tight. In Hollywood and West Los Angeles, we're seeing single digit vacancy for comparable product. With 1,900,000 square feet under construction, roughly 25% of its pre leased and nearly 850,000 square feet of positive net absorption year to date, we expect the current demandsupply imbalance to continue. We're in dialogue with several tenants at our Fourth And Traction in Q project for 50,000 square foot plus requirements.
And I'll remind everyone that these are unique offerings. Q on Sunset Bronson, Studio Lot and Fourth And Traction are one of very few premier office buildings in the Emerging Arts District. Therefore, we expect demand only to increase as we progress with construction, which is typical for Los Angeles, by the way. We continue to evaluate all our options and interests. In Seattle, there's all the right ingredients currently today for a long term growth, deep talent pool, strong population growth and lower cost of living.
And office fundamentals continue to improve. Large tech companies already in the market like Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon are rapidly absorbing big blocks of space, while those with major San FranciscoSilicon Valley presence are increasingly looking to establish a Seattle hub. Vacancy in the Pioneer Square area, where software company Avalara signed Seattle's largest lease this quarter dropped 130 basis points to 7.1%. Class A rents jumped over 3% in the quarter to $36 per foot. And we have interest in several high quality tech and non tech tenants for the multi floor leases on the balance of the Fourth Of The Alaska Way, which is 55% pre leased prior to breaking ground just two months ago.
We expect supply in downtown to remain tight as the 8,000,000 square feet of office currently under construction is north of 70% pre leased. I want to emphasize that the demand pipeline throughout our entire portfolio, including the Bay Area, remains robust with no quarter over quarter shift in terms of tenant requirements. And let me take you through a breakdown of our leasing in the 2016 to underscore the quality and diversity of this activity. Fully 56% of all leasing activity completed in the first half of this year was with fire and other non tech tenants, including many stand on companies like Saltchuk and Lockheed Martin. Tech companies, largely in the Bay Area, accounted for the remaining 44% year to date activity, and nearly 70% of that activity was with public companies or private companies that have been in existence for at least ten years.
Of the 30% executed with private tech companies in existence for less than ten years, one fifth was comprised of Uber's 50,000 square foot expansion in the first quarter of this year. And excluding that lease, less than 11% of our year to date leasing activity is represented by private tech companies in existence for less than ten years. And as so many of our newer tech companies in our portfolio are, many are extremely well funded and growing. We remain very bullish on tech, which is the world's leading economic engine, as a key driver for long term growth across our markets. Google, Amazon, Facebook all posted stellar second quarter earnings last week.
Five of the top seven largest publicly traded companies in The United States, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon and Facebook, are tech. Financing is shifting and slowing, but companies tech and non tech alike are flushed with cash and taking advantage of lower valuations to pursue growth through acquisitions of later stage and highly complementary businesses. Verizon's purchase of Yahoo! Layaco's purchase of VIZIO, Oracle's acquisition of NetSuite, Tesla buying SolarCity and Salesforce buying Quip are perfect examples. In the last thirty days, we've seen more than $20,000,000,000 of tech and media related M and A deals announced, with very little of it pointing to the contraction in terms of space.
And I've said before, there are going to be winners and losers, but these acquisitions are an indicator of these sectors' overall health and will provide balance to short term capital driven correction. A final note on capital recycling. We sold two former Blackstone portfolio assets in the quarter: 1 Bay Plaza in Burlingame and Patrick Henry Drive in Santa Clara, which yielded total gross proceeds of $72,400,000 Macro conditions, coupled with significant demand for large public tech companies, continue to put upward pressure on asset pricing in the Peninsula and Silicon Valley, and both properties sold at premiums to our purchase prices. We view them as nonstrategic to our portfolio, One Day because of its Burlington location and Patrick Henry because of its R and D use. And right now, we're extremely focused on unlocking embedded value in our existing portfolio and only very selectively evaluating opportunities to recycle capital into higher yield, more strategic assets and almost exclusively in the Los Angeles and the Seattle markets.
The July purchase of our 83 percent leased corporate headquarters building 11601 Boulevard for $311,000,000 or about $620 a foot is a good example of that strategy. Our purchase price of $11,601 represents a notable discount to comparable trade in the market on a per square foot basis. The reserve and our 12655 Jefferson asset, both in Playa Vista sold for $845 and $795 per square foot, respectively. Colorado Center and Santa Monica just recently sold for $865 per square foot. With that, I'm going turn the call over to Mark, who's going to touch on some of our second quarter financial highlights.
Thanks, Victor. Funds from operations or FFO excluding specified items for the three months ended June 3036 totaled $62,900,000 or $0.43 per diluted share compared to FFO excluding specified items of $68,400,000 or $0.47 per share a year ago. Specified items for the 2016 consisted of acquisition related expense of $100,000 or $00 per diluted share. Specified items for the 2015 consisted of acquisition related expense of $37,500,000 or $0.26 per diluted share. FFO including specified items for the three months ended June 3036 totaled $62,900,000 or $0.43 per diluted share compared to $30,900,000 or $0.21 per diluted share a year ago.
As of June 3036, our stabilized and in service office portfolio was ninety six point five percent and ninety one point one percent leased respectively, up from 95.890.7% at the end of the first quarter and 94.788.8% a year ago. The trailing twelve month occupancy for our media and entertainment properties increased to 85.3% from 76.5% for the same period a year ago. As many of you know, April 1 marked the one year anniversary of our acquisition of the EOP Northern California portfolio. On account of that milestone, our financial statements now reflect a more comparable portfolio for quarterly year over year comparison purposes. Moreover, effective in this earnings period, we have adjusted our same store reporting to provide a quarterly comparison of all properties owned and included in our stabilized office portfolio as of 04/01/2015, and still owned and included in the stabilized office portfolio as of the end of the quarter.
As a result, you will find that our quarterly same store comparison now includes 30 office properties, while the year to date comparison continues to include 21 office properties. With that said, net operating income with respect to our 30 same store office properties for the second quarter increased 15.5% on a cash basis and 6.6% on a GAAP basis. Net operating income at our same store media and entertainment properties increased 26.2 on a cash basis and 13.6% on a GAAP basis. During the quarter, we continue to proactively manage our balance sheet, further improving our debt maturity schedule and access to capital for future requirements. On May 3, we drew all 175,000,000 of the five year and $125,000,000 of the seven year unsecured term loan credit facilities entered into in November.
We used loan proceeds to repay floating rate indebtedness, including the $30,000,000 loan secured by nine zero one Market Street, dollars 60,000,000 of outstanding balance under our revolving credit facility, 110,000,000 of the outstanding balance under our loan secured by Sunset Bronson and $100,000,000 of our unhedged existing five year term loan. On June 6, we fully refinanced project level financing associated with Pinnacle two and Burbank with a ten year $87,000,000 loan bearing interest at 4.3% per annum. The refinancing successfully replaced the loan previously secured by Pinnacle two, which was bearing interest of 6.31% per annum, fully 200 basis points higher than the replacement financing. With the repayment of the loan secured by 901 Market Street and refinancing of the loan secured by Pinnacle two, we addressed our only loan maturities for this year and next. Indeed, we have only one loan maturity of approximately $100,000,000 at our Rincon Center property all the way through calendar year 2018.
On July 6, we completed a $200,000,000 private placement. We applied $150,000,000 of three point nine eight percent ten year senior guarantee notes to fund the 11601 Wilshire Boulevard acquisition and expect to access the remaining $50,000,000 consisting of three point six six percent seven year senior guaranteed notes on or before September 1536 to repay amounts under our unsecured revolving credit facility or for general corporate purposes. All of this successful financing activity has furthered our efforts to significantly lower our cost of funds, extend our loan maturities and provide the company with ample capital to fund projected 2016 and 2017 leasing, development and redevelopment opportunities our expenditures, sorry. Turning to guidance. We are increasing our full year 2016 FFO guidance from the previously announced range of $1.68 to $1.76 per diluted share excluding specified items to a revised range of $1.71 to $1.77 per diluted share excluding specified items.
This reflects our second quarter FFO of $0.43 per diluted share excluding specified items as well as the transactions mentioned in our press release and on this call, including the previously announced sale of 12,655 Jefferson in the fourth quarter and the anticipated funding of $50,000,000 of 3.66% senior guaranteed notes on or before September 1536 to repay amounts outstanding under our unsecured revolving credit facility or for general corporate purposes. This guidance also reflects the elimination of the ineffective portion of the interest rate swaps relating to $650,000,000 of our five and seven year term loans due April 2020 and 2022 respectively through an increase in the underlying fixed rate by a weighted average of 12 basis points per annum. This guidance assumes full year 2016 weighted average fully diluted common stock in units of $146,415,000 As always, the full year 2016 FFO estimate reflects management's view of current and future market conditions, including assumptions with respect to rental rates, occupancy levels and the earnings impact of events referenced in our press release and on this call, but otherwise excludes any impact from future unannounced or speculative acquisitions, dispositions, debt financings or repayments, recapitalizations, capital market activity or similar matters.
With that, I'll turn the call back over to Victor. Thank you, Mark. Just a reminder, for those less familiar with our story or those of you who missed our Investor Day in May, the webcast and presentation are available on our website for reference. You'll find great information therein about our company's unique positioning and the stock's embedded value. And you should reference Mark's section, in particular, which outlines our ability to achieve a 12% annualized NOI growth in both 2016 and 2017.
And also feel free to reach out to our Head of IR, Laura Campbell, if any questions. As always, I'd like to thank the entire Hudson Pacific team, our talented senior management for their great work for this quarter and the quarters behind us and going forward. And to everyone on this call, we appreciate your continued support for Hudson Pacific Properties and look forward to updating you next quarter. Operator, with that, I'm going to turn the call over to you for questions.
Speaker 0
Thank you. At this time, we'll be conducting a question and answer Our first question comes from the line of Nick Yulico with UBS. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 3
Thanks. Couple of questions. One on the over 15% cash same store NOI growth in the quarter. If I look, average occupancy was down for the same store year over year. So it seems like a lot of this was driven by the burn off of free rent for leases.
Could we get some perspective on that?
Speaker 2
Yes. You're right. We had a the contributor to the difference between the ending lease percentage and the lower average occupancy were basically two leases that had commenced, but were I'm sorry, were lease space, but not yet commenced. One was NFL at 10,950 for 30,000 feet backfilling old SDI space and Salesforce for 24,000 feet backfilling Intrac. So that's where the difference lies between the lease percentage and the occupancy.
In terms of the drivers, one of the two items is a difference between cash and GAAP, namely at Element LA, the free rent associated with Riot Games in the first in the second quarter of last year burned off and full cash rents commenced by obviously before then, but certainly by second quarter of this year. So that's one of the contributors. The other big contributor is not a cash gap difference. It's just Uber's expansion at $14.55 dollars contributed another 1,500,000.0 That's a big driver of the cash pickup, but not a difference between the cash and GAAP. The next one down, that's a difference for both gas gap and cash is at Foothill I'm sorry.
For just gap differences at Foothill Research, namely, the free rent associated with the Google lease went from gap to full cash paying, and that was about a million 8 contributor to to cash as opposed to GAAP. Those are the three main ones, Nick.
Speaker 3
Okay. That's helpful. And then
Speaker 2
One other thing, Nick, if I could just I wanted to clarify. In your earlier note this morning, you had mentioned the notion that maybe the same store improvement was sort of artificially high because of uncommenced leases. There's some veracity to that insofar as not so much a matter of commencement work, but rather cash versus GAAP rents insofar as we ran on a couple of the leases. But you attributed it to the EOP Northern California portfolio, but in truth, at least two of the three biggest contributors to the same store improvement on a cash basis were actually not EOP assets at all. They were legacy assets.
So that was one thing I just wanted to sort of clarify. The other thing probably worth clarifying is, just to make sure people are following, the real lease up opportunity in the Northern California portfolio tends to be on the lease up assets, not on the stabilized assets, whereas the same store comparison is only picking up assets that were already stabilized back in April. So not a lot not much of the pickup is really happening on the lease up front, if you will, on Northern California portfolio.
Speaker 3
Okay. That's helpful. Thanks. Then just going to the Silicon Valley and the old EOP portfolio. Can you talk about the activity that you're getting on leasing?
How much of that is tenants expanding? Why do you think your assets are being competitive in the market? And then maybe you can talk a little bit about how much pricing power you really think you have or if you're just sort of benefiting from filling up vacant space at market rents and maybe just remind us where you've seen sort of market rents for that portfolio in the last year? Sure.
Speaker 2
I'll start and then I'll let Art jump in. So the overall portfolio has a lot of legs in it in that I think Mark just commented on it. The stabilized portfolio is stabilized, and we have allocated our time and resources to specific assets that have lease up that aren't even part of the same store. And that's sort of equating to where we see the market right now. I think a couple of things are apparent.
First and foremost, our rolling mark to market on those assets in that portfolio are still in the high teens to low 20s across the board. And what we're finding is consistently, we are seeing a flow of activity on virtually all the space. So our inflow of inbound tenants that are looking for space in the Valley is still very consistent, and Art can sort of jump in and talk about that a little bit. But for the most part, we're seeing that. So I don't think it's unique to us in terms of where the market is.
The market is strong. We keep telling people that we see it strong. We still see a number of requests, and we're negotiating deals at numbers that are exceeding what our initial underwriting and our modified underwriting is. In terms of the differentiator between these assets and others, I don't think there really is. I can't sort of point to saying, other than we have some available space in markets that don't have it, there is nothing pertaining to that marketplace today that is unique to our assets versus the marketplace.
And the returns on those assets, think, are exactly what we thought they would be. Mean, Arjun, do want to jump in? Yes. So I mean, the demand the first part of your question was organic growth. Yes, we're seeing a fair amount of organic growth, obviously.
But I think where we're making the difference is, there's still there's we're taking advantage of the demand and the velocity in the market. There's a lot of space in there that, you know, was really not desirable at all. We've gone in and we spent the money. It's speed to market, right? So we're taking advantage of the speed to market, getting tenants through the space, getting in faster, and that's where we're making up the difference.
Speaker 3
Okay. That's helpful. I guess just to follow-up is sort of rent growth for that portfolio, you think, for the market in the last year, where do you think it's been?
Speaker 2
Yes. Mean, listen, '16 and 2017 is like between 2025% basically. That's our current mark to market. Rent growth is obviously going to vary. There's five different submarkets within that Northern California portfolio.
So each one of them is going to has its own individual assumption. But I think it's fair to say we see every one of our submarkets experiencing rental growth, some probably approaching high single digits, some a little bit more moderated kind of in the lower single digit range.
Speaker 3
Thanks, everyone.
Speaker 2
Thank you.
Speaker 0
Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Feldman with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 4
Great, thank you. I want to go back to the comment, Victor, you made and obviously something we've all been seeing in the press on tech M and A. Can you give us some color on what you're seeing on the ground in terms of some of these deals we're hearing about and what that might mean for the acquired companies office space and whether we're going to see sublease come back to market? I know it's deal by deal, but it seems like we've seen several of them, several big ones already.
Speaker 2
Okay. So so yeah. Yeah. Jamie, let me let me of give you a little bit of broad brush. I mean, I I in my prepared remarks, you know, I referenced six deals.
The Verizon, Leica, Oracle, Salesforce, and and Tesla and then the other Verizon deal that they do with FleetMatics. So and those are all since really the July 25. Subsequent to that and so I wanna comment on that. As soon as we heard about these deals, our leasing team in the Directive Markets went out and said, What impact does that have? And specific to those deals, we're finding obviously, it's a little early to see what SolarCity and Tesla are going to do, so we don't really have a clue there.
Are SolarCity is in the market today for a couple 100,000 feet in the peninsula, so it's going to be a positive absorption or flat. Obviously, the Lilleko Verizon is part and parcel of them expanding Allego, so that's a positive. Salesforce and Quip, we don't know, but these cloud based deals typically have been positive and enhancing. There's no loss of employees on that side. I can't really comment on the Verizon Yahoo deal because they haven't made any comments, so we don't have any exposure.
But overall, it would impact everybody the Yahoo side. But it looks like, from what our guys on the ground are saying, that that seems to be a push and maybe maybe some space coming back. The one that's concerning to us, obviously, is the NetSuite deal with Oracle. Typically, every deal that Oracle has done, they've kept the space. And I think I think as a as a result that that, you know, we're we're pretty comfortable since the majority of our space doesn't expire until, I think, '22.
But but we we think that that's gonna be in intact throughout on Oracle side. But if you go back, Jamie, you look at the bigger deals, you know, the the Dell EMC deal, GM and and Cruise Automation deal, the Salesforce Demandware deal, the, obviously, Symantec BlueCode deal, zero impact on the large those large deals. The the one that I think people are waiting on, and nobody seems to have any bearing yet, is the Microsoft LinkedIn deal and what happens there given that Microsoft is in the Pacific Northwest and LinkedIn is not. So with the larger deals that have been, say, from the first quarter through June, we're getting some indication that that there seems to be no movement at all and and no space coming back. The newest ones, I think we're pretty comfortable with all of them with the exception of of maybe the Oracle NetSuite because we just don't know what's happening there, but everything else is positive on that basis.
So it gives you sort of a a little bit of a smattering as to where we see. The the last point is the point I've made to you and others along the way. You know, we're gonna see this, and this just shows the strength of the marketplace. The interesting thing is we've not seen m and a's and the banter around businesses going out of state. The M and As are on the West Coast right now.
Another one that we didn't mention down in LA is Starz being acquired by Lionsgate, and Lionsgate is increasing their space to accommodate Starz growth, and that's here in L. A. So we're seeing it as a positive to flat at best.
Speaker 4
Okay. And you said LinkedIn, Microsoft is still too early to tell?
Speaker 2
Yeah. We haven't I mean, Art, do you want to comment on that? I mean, we haven't seen anything. No. Yeah.
We haven't seen any results on the LinkedIn Microsoft. So I think our guys are on top of it, but we just haven't seen any direction.
Speaker 4
Okay. And as you look at where it looks like you're getting kind of cluster hubs here for tech in these markets. Are there certain submarkets within the Bay Area that you think are winners versus losers? Or were more and more of these larger companies want to be clustered?
Speaker 2
Hey, listen, I think they're all winners right now, right? Between San Jose and San Francisco, the amount of transactional business that the, you know, the the the big four are are taking down and looking at right now is just is just insurmountable. What we're finding is there seems to be clusters around the Googles, the Apples, and the Facebooks today. You just see that there's just not enough space nearby where they are, so they're going to wherever they can find space.
Speaker 4
All right. That's helpful. Turning to expiration. So you took care of Qualcomm. Can you just remind us for the rest of 2016 and the rest is and 2017 your next largest expirations?
Did I hear you speaking correctly, 20% to 25% mark to market?
Speaker 2
Yes. Well, 2016, 17 expirations are average out to be well, in Northern California, in the EOP, it's like 22%. But if you want the across the board mark to market on the whole portfolio, it's about 40%. That includes 2017 expirations in San Francisco, which is contributing a lot to that higher mark to market. That's a weighted average for what's remaining in 2016 and 2017.
In terms of giving you an idea of the actual bigger expirations that are coming that are on the horizon over the next two years, Jamie, rather than try to point you to specific expirations, I would point you to Page 29 of the supplemental. What you'll see there is any submarket that has more than 100,000 feet expiring in any quarter, we've identified specifically the three largest contributors to that square footage. And so you can easily trace to the larger expirations. Suffice to say, there are a couple of decent sized expirations on the horizon in 'seventeen, really nothing significant in 2016. There's AIG in 2017 and then at the very end of 2017, we've got some expiration with B of A, as you know, at $14.55, very low rents, the pain space.
There are some other smaller expirations that are of decent size, and you can see it all summarized in the footnotes starting on Page 29.
Speaker 4
Okay. And then just last, I was surprised not that there wasn't any leasing progress in the development pipeline. So maybe if you could tell us what's happening at ICON two.
Speaker 2
So I was surprised at your comment on that. So we're both surprised. You know, we we we just broke ground three weeks ago at 450 Alaska Way, and we're 55% pre leased there. And we've got activity and probably, my guess is, you know, some somewhere around 300 to 400,000 feet of deals that we're working on. And q just broke ground, like, sixty days ago.
We we haven't even got that out of the ground yet, and we're we're building out just started building out July 1 TIs for for Netflix. And so I know what's the expectation on that basis, Jamie, but those are the only two deals that we have, our development deals right now. And I think we basically told you exactly what's going on with Q. I mean, the demand is over 500,000 feet for 90,000 feet of development.
Speaker 4
Okay. So there's no change in the demand pipeline?
Speaker 2
No, not at all. Our
Speaker 0
next question comes from the line of Craig Mailman with KeyBanc.
Speaker 5
Hey, guys. Was just hoping you could give us an update on the leasing pipeline. Obviously, you've blown through the 1,000,000 point dollars you talked about two quarters ago. Just curious how big it is now and maybe where you move the goalpost to on the goal for the year?
Speaker 2
So listen, we've done about 1.8 now for the halfway through. I think we didn't give a guidance as to where we thought we would be at the end of the year. Clearly, the renewal basis, we've exceeded our expectations. And the backfill basis, we did see our expectations. On the new leases, I think we're right online.
I think as I just mentioned to Jamie, the velocity is as strong as it's been ever for us. And so we can't say that we're not seeing in trading paper. We're also negotiating deals to get the best possible rate, and it's proved out that our mark to market and where we're rolling, Craig, on that basis. Now I think Art
Speaker 1
and his team are looking at
Speaker 2
another million plus feet maybe for the rest of the year. It seems like a number that would obviously well exceed our expectations, but I think he's probably comfortable with that. You want to speak to that, Art? No. I mean, we've as we've rolled and we've done deals, we've got some new renewals and new deals.
The pipeline still remains right about where it was. It ebbs and flows a little bit, but kind of in the 1,300,000 range is where we sit now after doing $1,000,000 for SAP of the year.
Speaker 5
Great. And then NerdWallet, any update on them? I've heard they're looking for space in the market.
Speaker 2
So yes. So NerdWallet occupies 50,000 feet at our nine zero one market, and and the space is the best space in that building. I think they're roughly around $60 a foot. Market rents there, looking at it, is about close to $70.70 plus. It's a great story.
Right? This is a tenant that's now in Texas building their portfolio, and they're looking for as much as 200,000 feet. We can't accommodate them. So I think, you know, it's it's it's an opportunity for us to, either keep them in place and have them go sublease the space or take it back if there's a user. It's early in the phase, but that's what we're seeing right now.
And I think we're very comfortable with that space.
Speaker 5
That's helpful. And then, Mark, on the Qualcomm lease, I think you had mentioned last quarter something about the free rent periods being a little bit weird. Can you just give us an update on how that free rent trended in the second Yes.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Again, this is satisfying because we've anticipated that question. If you look in our supplemental, you can see the detail on our on 15 oh, sorry. On the upfront abatement page of the supplemental, which I'm just trying to give you the exact page. Think it's '28 or '27 maybe.
You'll see, sorry, '27. No. K. Where is it? Well, we've outlined in the supplemental exactly when the free rent periods are for under that lease.
It's in in the, you know, the page where we give you what the uncommenced there it is. It's on page 27. So look in the footnote there, and you'll see exactly when the free rent applies under the Qualcomm lease.
Speaker 5
Gotcha. Footnote three. Alright. I see it.
Speaker 2
Got it?
Speaker 5
That's helpful. Yep. And then just lastly on the the Laco mortgage loan, can you kinda let us know where that's priced? And if you can't get that just relative to the 11% you're losing on the Downtown L. A?
Speaker 2
Losing? We won. You mean replacing? Yes. It's it's you know, the Lienco land loan that we did is right around 10%.
So it's I I I obviously can't walk through the specific details of it, but it's right around 10%.
Speaker 5
Okay. So did you say that was a contributor on the guidance bump? Or did you guys already have that in the numbers?
Speaker 2
No. That's a third quarter transaction. Well, no, but it's in the guidance. Yes. It is part of our full year projection.
Speaker 5
Okay. So it was a bit of a bump for you relative to last guidance range?
Speaker 2
Yes. It's contributing. I mean, there's ins and outs, Craig, but suffice to say, it's fully reflected in the number.
Speaker 5
Our
Speaker 0
next question comes from the line of Alex Goldfarb with Sandler O'Neill. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 6
Good morning out there. Victor, appreciate your comments on the leasing and the breakdown of the tenants in the market that you went through. But just sort of curious, as you guys look at the price setters and as obviously, we react to various news headlines, are the price setters as far as rent goes in the market more driven by the big users? Or is it the sort of smaller users on the incremental side as far as rent direction goes?
Speaker 2
Yes. It's a great question. And I don't have a specific answer to lean one way or the other. Clearly, think, Alex, at the end of the day, the large guys are in much higher need or I would use the phrase, they're not just, say, desperate, but there are so few chances and opportunities for them to find space that the leading indicator for them is clearly going to be space. And so the market leading indicator for rent and the growth of rent is going to be secondary.
I've mentioned this before. We still haven't seen in this cycle a pushback on rate. And so that's not how we're winning or losing deals or we're making or not making deals. It's not based on rate. We're making and losing deals based on the ability to get in, the time frame by which you can occupy the space and the layout by which we can deliver it.
So at the end of the day, clearly, the smaller guys are going be a lot more rate sensitive than the bigger guys because the smaller guys are going to have many more options.
Speaker 6
Right. But as you hear chatter from the different brokers, they their view is that, hey, as long as the big guys are out there, even if it's just renewal volume, that's enough to hold rate? Or you really need to see expansion volume and or growth from the younger start up companies to really drive rate?
Speaker 2
You want to comment? I mean, I I it's probably I mean, the expansion volume by which these guys are are, you know, looking at it and and they're looking at it from a, you know, a short term window, not a long term window. People are taking, like like as as you we talked about before, people are taking space that they need, not that they think they need. And so that's that's why they're paying, you know, the current rates by which are out there versus future.
Speaker 6
Okay. And then the second question is on the land loan, I I think you guys just you had one that you just that just paid off. You made a new one. Is this something of sort of a one off business? Or is this something where, as the market gets tighter, we may see you guys involved in more of these?
Speaker 2
Listen, I think I wouldn't project this as a core business for us. There have been opportunities with, you know, our Broadway deal Downtown Los Angeles and now with the Sileko deal. It's gotta be the right type of real estate. It's gotta be the right in in the right market for us, and the yield has to be good. We're looking at double digit returns on short term holds.
And so far, these two look pretty good, the basis is very important for us. On the Leaguil deal, I think you know, the basis there is is at, you know, 50% of of value. And so, we feel pretty good about about that. And then when they just turned around and made their announcement just recently on Vizio, I think that even enhanced it for us. I wouldn't read into us deploying a lot of dollars one way or the other on that.
I think as deals come up, we'll evaluate them. If they're appropriate, we'll execute.
Speaker 6
Okay. And just final question. Mark, on the same store, did you say that now it's 30 properties versus 21 previously? But obviously, you guys bought more than just 10 properties in EOP. So what's the delta between the total EOP and the same store as of April 1?
Speaker 2
Yeah. So if under the same store definition of properties have to be stabilized to even qualify for same store, the adjustment we made was rather than only including assets that were owned as of the beginning of 2015, which is what is running through the year to date same store portfolio, namely there's 21 assets that were stabilized and owned as of 01/01/2015 and still owned as of June 3036. For quarterly reporting purposes, we included any stabilized office asset that was owned as of 04/01/2015. So nine additional office assets were added to the 21 that we're running through the year to date portfolio, if you will. That leaves out a good nine or so assets that are in the in service portfolio, that is to say, that are lease up assets that are not running through the same store portfolio.
And the reason why they're not included is because they haven't stabilized yet.
Speaker 6
Okay. So and then for changing the same store pool, are you going to do it quarterly or we'll wait again until next year?
Speaker 2
No. We'll continue with the methodology on a quarterly basis. That is to say, if an asset was stabilized at the beginning of the prior year's quarter, so for example, next quarter, if an asset became a stabilized asset as of July 1, then it will be in the new same store portfolio for the third quarter of this year, if you follow me.
Speaker 6
Okay. That makes sense. Thank you, Mark.
Speaker 0
Our next question comes from the line of Rich Anderson with Mizuho Securities. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 7
Thanks and good morning out there. Mark, was good call. And just want to confirm, on a same store basis, your definition is owned and stabilized in both periods?
Speaker 2
That's right.
Speaker 7
Okay. In terms of the word velocity was used to describe what's going on in The Peninsula and Silicon Valley. And I'm curious, does that word velocity also apply to the pace by which you're spending CapEx? And I'm wondering if that $250,000,000 bogey number is burning off faster than you thought.
Speaker 2
Well, Rich, to try to keep people kind of on the same page relative to spend, we really are no longer attempting to reconcile back to that $250,000,000 The portfolio that, that three year projection, which was an all inclusive spend number, was originally attributed to is so markedly different than it was a year ago when we first pointed to that number. So as it relates to the spend, I can tell you the pace building spend, the non TI and commission spend amount was fully updated at our Investor Day, and that amount as of Investor Day was about $63,000,000 with the all in spend for the three year initial three year hold period of the Northern California portfolio. The update on that is it's basically the same amount. We managed to eke out a little bit of savings there. It's now about $62,000,000 of which we've spent $16,000,000 a little bit in 2015 and $2,000,000 in 2015 and about $14,000,000 so far in 2016, and we've committed another $32,000,000 So it's against the 62,000,000 three year budget on the Northern California portfolio, we've either spent or committed about 77% of it.
And one, we're right on pace, I would say, from a timing point of view. Two, we're we continue to find incremental savings within that budget as we adjust from time to time either for lease up of assets that may have had an earlier spend or other ways of finding savings. That's where we are in the base billing spend. As it relates to TI and commission, again, as we've said in the past, it follows entirely from leasing. And if we're ahead of schedule on leasing, then the TIs and commissions will naturally be ahead of schedule, too.
And so far, we've been pacing ahead of schedule over that three year period.
Speaker 7
Okay. Good stuff. And then second question. We talked about some of the M and A activity in the tech world. And I'm just curious if you guys so far, that's penciling out as as a neutral to positive, I guess, or maybe more positive from your perspective as it relates to your business.
But do you guys take cues from other corners of the business world out there, whether it's tech, M and A, or even other asset classes like lodging or apartments or anything like that that that you try to, you know, help your your your strategy and maybe change your strategy if you things see things kind of moving in the wrong direction, maybe not in office, but, you know, in other parts of of the economy. And I'm and I'm curious if that has happened at all and if it's caused you to be a little bit faster to get things done? Or maybe nothing has changed at all? I'm just curious how much you have your antennas up around you outside of specifically leasing office space.
Speaker 2
So Rich, thanks for the question. I think it's important to sort of know that, like any operating business, we're going to look at not just what's core around us, but parameters that may be corollary or effective in terms of our day to day decisions. I don't think anything has changed in terms of our velocity in terms of getting deals done or rushing to getting deals done based on that. But clearly, the external factors that are things that we would look at on an obvious basis is job growth and employment on the first level and then and then absorption on multifamily, right, and and and where that sits. And and, you know, I I do think that, we're very astute as to what's happening in our core markets.
And for the most part, we've got a couple of areas that we're we are consistently monitoring, the city of San Francisco and rental rate movements there and and absorption there and where where it sits. And, you know, there seems to be a lot more banter around it than there are facts, but we're we're very cognizant of of, where those numbers are and and where they may go to from a vacancy factor. And then secondarily would be Downtown LA with the amount of units that are coming online and the absorption versus the return how quickly those are going to get absorbed or not, which will indicate where the job growth is going to be. So those are factors that we're obviously always looking at. I think any prudent office company would have to do that in the CVEs that they're in.
Speaker 7
Of course. And then lastly, is there any change not so much in your guidance, of course, but just generally how you feel about dispositions? Or you still basically feel the same way opportunistically here and there but no elevated need to be selling assets?
Speaker 2
No. I think we're pretty consistent. If it's not core to the holding of the portfolio, we're going to look to alternatives by which we can dispose those assets. Or if we feel that there's an asset in the portfolio that's maxed its potential under the Hudson ownership, we'll do the same. But we don't have a specific guideline based on the economic conditions that we have to dispose of X number of assets.
Speaker 7
Do you have reverse inquiries coming in for certain assets that you've been turning down?
Speaker 2
Obviously, yes. Our
Speaker 0
final question comes from the line of Blaine Heck with Wells Fargo.
Speaker 8
Victor, can you talk a little bit about the future development pipeline and just maybe how would you handicap that list as far as which ones you would expect to start earlier than others? And then is there any color you can give on kind of those earlier developments, potential investment you guys would be looking at?
Speaker 2
The potential investment what?
Speaker 8
You guys would be looking at for kind of total investment in the ones that might start earlier than the others?
Speaker 2
Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Sure, sure. Of course. So I mean, the two major other than the two that Jamie mentioned in terms of where we sit that are coming out of the ground now, the two major developments for us would be our $59.00 1 asset, which we're newly going to market a name, EPIC.
And it's going be a 305,000 square foot office building on Sunset Boulevard across from Sunset Bronson. It will be a very unique outdoorindoor office facility that we are in final planning stages on and improvements and entitlements on our final design. I think that would be we've had a number of people interested in that asset on a pre leasing basis. So we will launch that building and break ground on that building, depending on what kind of finalized activity we have. But, you know, I'm I'm sort of thinking sometime in spring of next year would be sort of a logical time frame given pre leasing and the likes of that.
The second asset that we have on a ground up development, It's a smaller asset in Culver City for 160,000 feet that we're evaluating right now, which will also be a pre leased asset that we could potentially break ground sometime last quarter of this year. And then the last would be our redevelopment projects, which is our 405 Vallejo and Fourth And Traction. We've announced the Fourth and Traction should be completed by year end of 'sixteen, and we're just starting our full marketing there. And 405 at Tayo will be completed year end 'seventeen, and we are just launching our marketing this fall. Hey, Blaine.
On that Culver City asset, just in case there's any confusion, we don't we've had it under contract for quite a long time, and it's very, very far along in terms of our ability to begin to break ground. But we don't technically own it yet, and then so you won't find it listed in the development pipeline. It's fully entitled. All the design on it is is done. And like I so as Victor's saying, it's a it's a near term start.
It's just not in our pipeline because we don't technically only add in probably why it's on our part to add it there and so people can at least track this potential future development.
Speaker 8
That's helpful. I was looking for it. So I guess, Victor, what amount of pre leasing would you guys target to kind of start some of these projects?
Speaker 2
I think we're probably now in the range of a 30 to 50% sort of pre leasing. I think 30 is sort of a comfortable number that with the activity. And it would depend also, Blaine, on the pipeline, the interest level. You know, fifty nine zero one is a big project. Our our EPIC building is a big project, and the amount of activity we have in Hollywood right now would probably enable us to achieve that.
On September, the deal that Mark was referring to, it's a much smaller building. There's a fairly large component of retail. So I think a lease or two there would really get us going.
Speaker 8
Okay. And then just lastly on EPYC, it seems like a pretty similar deal to one of your competitors has down the road. Do you think there's, I guess, enough demand for kind of both major projects to go forward in that market?
Speaker 2
Yes. I mean, Hollywood is the hottest market right now in Los Angeles, and demand there is very high. I think the reverse increase that we're fielding from media and entertainment companies who need office slash studio space and and and production space is very high. You know, the biggest differentiator is is that we offer the the media studio space that our peers and competitors don't have. The access to pre and post production as well as the production sound stages, nobody has that access.
And this is literally across the street, almost from both of our studios. So opportunity and I think that's what sort of differentiated us. For large blocks of space that tenants are looking at, we really sort of fit the only void for that.
Speaker 8
Great. Thanks a lot, guys.
Speaker 0
There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to Mr. Victor Coleman for any closing remarks.
Speaker 2
Thank you so much for the participation. And again, thank you to the Hudson team in totality for another great quarter. We'll speak soon.
Speaker 0
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