Interactive Brokers Group - Earnings Call - Q3 2020
October 20, 2020
Transcript
Speaker 0
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Interactive Broker Group Third Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. And now I'd like to introduce your host for today's program, Nancy Stuebe, Director of Investor Relations.
Speaker 1
Please go ahead.
Speaker 2
Good afternoon and thank you for joining us for our third quarter twenty twenty earnings conference call. Thomas will handle the beginning of the call and the Q and A, but ask me to present the rest of his comments. As a reminder, today's call may include forward looking statements, which represent the company's belief regarding future events, which by their nature are not certain and are outside of the company's control. Our actual results and financial condition may differ possibly materially from what is indicated in these forward looking statements. We ask that you refer to the disclaimers in our press release.
You should also review a description of risk factors contained in our financial reports filed with the SEC. Thomas, please go ahead.
Speaker 3
Good afternoon. Early last year I spoke about what is going to happen to my Interactive Brokers shares. As I said at that time and repeat now, I'm a firm believer in the long term success of this company and I'm a reluctant seller but must recognize the two issues I'm frequently asked about. One is the small float that scares away large would be purchasers of the stock and second is the taxes on debt that could force liquidation. In order to show some movement to deal with these two issues but also to keep holding on to most of my stock.
I will start a selling program that would dispose of the shares gradually over the next sixty years. I will implement the trading program that sells 20,000 shares on each business day. As our average daily volume is roughly 600,000 shares, these sales are not expected to have much of an impact on the price. I will start the daily sales of 20,000 shares every business day trying to achieve the daily diva. I have been approached by several potential investors and brokers who offered to buy a block of stock but my answer is always the same and it will remain the same.
If you want the stock, you need to buy it in the open market. Second is Brexit. As a global broker, we operate in legal and regulatory environments of many localities, countries and regions. On this ever shifting landscape, we find we must adapt our operations including our corporate structure and operating licenses to continue servicing our existing and new clients at high levels. This is in particular focus in Europe in the context of Brexit.
UK and EU negotiations over Brexit have been ongoing for several years with more than a few changes in direction and postponements of the effective date. If the current withdrawal agreement is honored, Brexit will become effective on December 31. As we conduct our European business primarily through our UK broker and to a lesser extent through our Luxembourg broker, we have applied for additional licenses in Europe through our affiliates Interactive Brokers Ireland and Interactive Brokers Central Europe. While we have been at this effort for some time, our license applications are spending for both affiliates and we think it's quite possible that one or both will still be in progress on December 31. While the outcome depends on many factors including regulatory flexibility and interpretations, it is possible that we will be facing a temporary gap during which we could be unable to fulfill, to fully service some EU customers for a short period of time subsequent to the year end which could negatively impact our business in Europe.
We think that any delay in our ability to service affected EU clients or open new accounts would be limited and temporary. The third item is margins. Much has been made of our recently announced policy to slowly increase certain margin requirements in the run up to the election. Given the uncertainty over the market during this time, we believe this is the correct prudent step to take to protect our customers and ourselves. We have given more than sufficient notice of our intention and we are implementing the increase very gradually and do not see any major issues.
And now back to you Nancy.
Speaker 2
Thanks. In the third quarter, we continued to see strength in our business as more and more people in countries around the world chose to invest in the markets. Accounts rose 47% year on year to 09/1000 as we added 105,500 net new accounts in the quarter. Client equity grew by 49% to $233,000,000,000 as new and existing clients worldwide sought to take advantage of the market opportunities they saw. Growth came in all client segments and all geographic regions with areas outside The U.
S. Particularly strong once again. This international growth continues to result in a more even customer distribution among the countries and regions that we serve. Over the course of the quarter, clients grew more comfortable with putting money into the market and taking on leverage, with margin loans growing from $24,900,000,000 at June 30 to $30,000,000,000 at this quarter end. As clients traded more actively during this period of high market volatility, our total DARTs reached over $1,800,000 more than doubling from last year and cleared average DARTs per account rose 49% to four forty two.
Because our platform is highly automated, the marginal cost of adding an additional client diminishes as we reach higher account numbers. The limit to this diminishment in marginal cost is the expense of KYC and other compliance obligations we have, which are especially high with respect to customers in foreign jurisdictions. This expense we can regard as a fixed cost to add a new account. To the extent the profit derived from such a new account exceeds these fixed costs, we continue to focus on growing our new accounts. Automation also enables us to offer worldwide access to financial instruments ranging from equities, fixed income, funds, derivatives and FX among others, giving us the diversity of products to attract customers from all geographies.
Since the Federal Reserve lowered interest rates to near zero in March, our net interest income has been affected. Higher margin loans and influx of cash into new and existing customer accounts and a strong securities finance performance led to $195,000,000 of net interest income for the quarter despite our segregated cash and securities yielding only 13 basis points. We continue to invest our segregated cash in the safest short term securities as a flat yield curve with near zero interest rates means there is no advantage to buying long term securities or taking on the risks that non U. S. Treasury investments bring.
Finally, our total equity surpassed $8,500,000,000 in the third quarter, our highest to date. With no debt, our balance sheet remains solid. As we continue to grow, our strong equity capital helps us attract larger international institutional clients. Once again, we saw growth in all five of the client types that we service. I will now go over our five client segments.
Individual customers, which made up 56% of our accounts, 36% of our client equity and 54% of our commissions, continued to be our fastest growing segment, with twelve month account growth of 65%, client equity growth of 5442% growth in latest twelve month commissions. All geographic regions we serve saw account, client equity and commissions grow over 30%, with international growth from Europe and Asia outpacing The Americas for now. Global investor demand for a reliable platform with a wide choice of products in international markets continues as investors seek to maximize their investment opportunities. Proprietary trading firms are 2% of our accounts, 10% of client equity and 14% of commissions. For the quarter, this group grew 22% in accounts for the twelve month period, 35% in client equity and 29% in commissions.
Prop trading firms are sensitive to the direction of volatility and the quarter's high volatility offered them numerous opportunities. Prop traders also tend to have more active trading strategies, which benefit from our low cost platform that provides access to securities around the globe. But most importantly, proprietary traders depend on trading profits and execution quality is a major determinant of trading profits. This is what attracts most prop traders to our platform. Hedge fund accounts for the twelve months ended September 30 grew 2% in accounts, 27% in customer equity and 8% in commissions.
Hedge funds represent 1% of our accounts, 7% of our client equity and 8% of our commissions. We are pleased to see 27% growth in customer equity as the hedge fund industry's assets under management have been flat for about two years now, so our growth here indicates strong results in a flat industry. Growing word-of-mouth, a reputation for best price execution and low margin rates and the quality of our platform are behind this growth. Financial advisers are 12% of our accounts, 18% of our customer equity and 13% of our commissions. This group grew accounts by 14% for the twelve month period, while customer equity rose 17% and commissions 7%.
As advisors tend to be more conservative in their activity, their commission growth tends to grow more slowly in periods of high volatility. After quarter end, the back to back closings of two industry transactions meant fewer competitors in the space. We continue to see opportunity in this area. With fewer competitors, it is easier to get visibility when both new and existing FAs research their platform options, especially when they hear about new fees, learn about hidden fees and potentially find themselves competing against their broker. Our final segment is introducing brokers.
These represent 30% of our accounts, 29 of our client equity and 12% of our twelve month commissions. Our broker segment account growth was 38% for the latest twelve months with 86% client equity growth and 71% in commissions. We saw growth in this segment in all regions with Asia showing particular strength. Because we offer global markets and products along with seamless back office functionality, we can grow in regions where customers may not be large enough to draw the attention of bulge bracket banks or even if they did, would be charged extremely high prices for international access. In 2020, as more people worldwide sought to invest or to diversify their assets, they wanted the ability to access many markets and products in their search for returns and asset safety.
Turning to new products, offerings this quarter included our new Impact dashboard, which helps investors evaluate their portfolios so they can make adjustments and invest in companies whose ESG worldviews correspond with their own. As ESG investing grows in importance and in assets allocated, Impact Dashboard allows our clients to select the principles and practices most important to them and then see how each individual investment in their portfolio moves them closer to or farther from their goals. Our mutual fund marketplace has grown to over 34,000 no load mutual funds from over two eighty five fund families, making Interactive Brokers one of the largest, if not the largest, fund agnostic supermarkets. As always, we do not charge a custody fee and the funds can be accessed by our clients in over 200 countries and territories. We have been spending more on advertising and continue to see good response to our digital marketing efforts.
In fact, Google AdWords is using Interactive Brokers as a case study in successful digital marketing efforts. For years, ever since we started our electronic broker in 1993, our dream was 1,000,000 accounts. And sometime within the next week, we will welcome our one millionth client. Our goal now is to achieve 80,000,000 accounts or 1% of
Speaker 3
the global
Speaker 2
population. To do this in twenty years would be a 25% annual growth rate. To do this in ten years is the 55% growth rate. There is one country today where Interactive Brokers has a nearly 1% share of the population, clearly indicating that 1% or 80,000,000 worldwide is not an impossible dream. With that, I will turn the call over to our CFO, Paul Brody, who will go through the numbers for the quarter.
Paul?
Speaker 1
Thank you, Nancy. Thanks everybody for joining the call. As usual, I'll first review our operating results and non core items and my comments will follow the format of the earnings release after which we'll open up the call for questions. As a reminder starting this year we began reporting without separate business segments as our remaining market making activity is no longer material to our overall results. We also separated other fees and services from other income.
Other fees and services contains recurring items such as market data fees, account activity fees and FDIC bank sweep program income. And other income consists of items that are less predictable in nature like currency impact, U. S. Treasury marks to market, principal trading activities and other investment gains or losses. Looking at the operating data, high trading volumes and customer account openings continued as volatility still at elevated levels moderated from the second quarter.
The continued global impact of the coronavirus as well as uncertainty over the upcoming U. S. Election and Brexit were likely contributors to highly active markets worldwide. Volatility as measured by the average VIX rose 62% to 25.9 in the current quarter from 15.9 in the same quarter last year. However, while the VIX peaked at 34, the current quarter was less volatile than the 2020 when the VIX spiked to 82 for a short time in March and to 57 in April.
Quarterly total DARTs increased 113% to a record 1,800,000 compared to the 2019. And our customer trade volumes continued to rise dramatically in every product class led by increases of 65%, 9109% in options, futures and stocks respectively. FX dollar volumes were strong as well increasing over 30%. Total accounts reached 981,000 up 47% over the prior year with quarterly net new accounts adding at a pace once again about five times higher than last year's quarter. This contributed to client equity growth of 49% to $232,700,000,000 at quarter end.
Our overall average cleared commission per commissionable order fell 27% versus last year to $2.69 due to a product mix that featured smaller average trade sizes across all product classes. Smaller trade sizes are often seen in high volatility periods as traders choose to risk less per trade in fast moving markets. We also saw higher exchange rebates which we pass through to our clients in the form of lower commissions as our strong order volume led to our capturing incentives offered by exchanges on liquidity providing orders. Overall higher commission revenues show that the strong increase in trade volumes more than made up for the drop in commission per commissionable order. Moving to our net interest margin table, net interest margin narrowed from 1.77 in last year's quarter to 0.94%.
The Federal Reserve brought its benchmark target rate down to near zero in March and has kept it there. The average effective Fed funds rate which we use to price both margin loans and interest paid on customer cash fell from 2.19% in the third quarter of 'nineteen to 0.09% in the third quarter of 'twenty. While significantly lower rates reduce what we pay on our customer credit balances, they also reduce what we earn on segregated cash and margin loans. Nevertheless, our net interest margin narrowed just 83 basis points over this period supported by margin loans and strong securities lending. Despite the Fed lowering the overnight interest rate, the yield curve remains fairly flat as it has for several quarters.
We have kept the duration of our portfolio relatively short and recorded a mark to market loss of $2,000,000 on our holdings of U. S. Treasuries similar to last year's third quarter. As always, we plan to hold these securities to maturity so any gains and losses on our mark to market each quarter should trend towards zero over time. But as brokers unlike banks, GAAP rules require that we mark our portfolio to market in our financial reporting.
Outside The U. S, benchmark interest rates remained near or below zero for many currencies as central banks continue to attempt to soften the impact from COVID-nineteen on their economies. Despite a 28% increase over the year ago quarter in average customer credit balances, The reduction in interest expense paid on these balances was the largest contributor preventing our net interest margin from falling further. Not only are most credit balances paid zero interest, some balances in negative rate currencies produced revenue on the pass through to some customers. We continue to have success in asset gathering and our FDIC insured bank deposit sweep program held an average of $3,000,000,000 a year up $800,000,000 from last year.
Margin lending and securities lending were the largest contributors to our net interest margin. Average margin loan balances rose 9% from last year. However, due to significantly lower benchmark interest rates, margin loan interest income fell for 53%. Margin loans have shown a steady climb back ending the quarter at $30,300,000,000 up 17% versus last year and up 18% from the second quarter. Securities lending interest income was up 12% this year this quarter versus a strong year ago quarter as we continue to execute on hard to borrow names that investors were looking to short.
On segregated cash, despite a 48% increase in segregated cash balances, lower investment rates led to a 91% decline in interest income. Several factors caused the yields on our segregated cash to differ from the change in the Fed funds rate. First, a portion is held in other currencies. And second, given an average duration of investment in treasuries of about forty four days, reinvestments take place over time. So some of our investments with segregated cash would not be expected to follow Fed rate declines immediately.
We are approaching the tail end of our investments at higher rates and maturity of the small amount remaining will not have a material impact on our overall investment rate. The increase in segregated cash balances is primarily a function of credit balances growing at a faster rate than margin loans and net investment purchases. While investors continue to take on leverage this quarter, the steady consistent growth in our clients' cash outpaced the growth in both of these factors. Note too that the FDIC sweep program removes funds that would otherwise be included in our segregated cash balances from our balance sheet for accounting purposes. Now for our estimate of the impact for the next 25 basis point increase in rates, when calculating the impact of rate changes we understand that as the possibility of a future rate increase becomes more certain this expectation typically is already reflected in the yields of the instruments in which we invest.
Therefore we attempt to isolate the impact of an unexpected rise or fall in rates separate from the impact of rate hikes or cuts that have already been baked into the price of these instruments. With that assumption we would expect the next 25 basis point unanticipated rise in rates to produce an additional $94,000,000 in net interest income over the next four quarters and $103,000,000 as the yearly run rate based on our current balance sheet. These numbers are highly sensitive to benchmark rate changes due to the impact of low rates on the spread between what we earn on our segregated cash and what we pay our customers. As U. S.
Rates fell below 50 basis points, our spread compressed as we earned less when investing our segregated cash. However, the converse is also true that as rates move back up towards 50 basis points, our spread expands significantly. The run rate includes the reinvestment of all of our present holdings at the new assumed rate, but does not take into account any change in how we manage our segregated cash. If we are successful in continuing to grow our customer assets, higher cash and margin lending balances will provide some offset to the loss of net interest income from low benchmark rates should they persist. Turning to our income statement, as I mentioned earlier in 2020, we began reporting our consolidated numbers only and no longer report segments.
We define non core items as those not part of our fundamental operating results. Non core items included three items this quarter. First, our currency diversification strategy produced a gain of $27,000,000 versus a $47,000,000 loss last year. Second, a mark to market loss on U. S.
Government securities of $2,000,000 the same as the prior year. And third, a gain on our investments of $5,000,000 versus a loss of $10,000,000 last year. The net effect of these adjustments raised pretax income by $30,000,000 this quarter versus reducing it by $59,000,000 last year. Net revenues were a reported $548,000,000 for the quarter, up 18% versus last year's third quarter. Excluding non core items, net revenue was $518,000,000 down 1% versus last year.
Commission revenue rose 49% on significantly higher trade volumes in all product categories. Net interest income fell 33% to $195,000,000 though it was about even with the second quarter. The decline was largely due to the drop in the average effective Fed funds rate versus the year ago quarter. Other fees and services revenue rose 29% to $45,000,000 These include market data, exposure, account activity and FDIC bank sweep program fees as well as fees generated from facilitating customers' participation in IPO. Other income, includes gains and losses on our investments and currency strategy, as well as principal transaction, was $29,000,000 versus a $47,000,000 loss last year that was primarily due to currency effects on the global.
Ex non core items, other income decreased from a gain of $12,000,000 to a loss of 1,000,000 this quarter. This includes a $13,000,000 loss on our investment in the One Chicago Exchange which ceased operations in September. Non interest expenses were $214,000,000 for the quarter, up 16% from last year due primarily to higher execution and clearing costs in line with higher trade volume. Also higher employee compensation and benefits costs and $3,000,000 in customer bad debt versus a $2,000,000 recovery last year. At quarter end, our total headcount stood at nineteen twenty three, a 22% increase over last year.
Due to the COVID-nineteen pandemic, most of our employees worldwide have been working remotely. After a brief pause in the first quarter, we have been hiring again to keep up with the influx of new accounts and to strengthen client services, compliance and systems development for the future. Fixed expenses were $137,000,000 up 15% driven by higher compensation and benefits as well as some increase in occupancy. G and A expenses were up 23%, a substantial portion of which were expenses associated with the development of and consultants for our compliance program. While the increase in compliance staff has raised our compensation and benefits expenses, we believe most of the cost of outside consultants has been recognized and will not be recurring.
Customer bad debt expense was $3,000,000 well within the 0 to $5,000,000 we expect in any given quarter and well contained despite the increase in activity and volatility. Reported pre tax income was $334,000,000 up 19% despite a $96,000,000 drop in net interest income or a 61 percent margin. Excluding non core items, pretax income was $3.00 $4,000,000 down 11% for a 59% pretax margin. Diluted earnings per share were $0.58 for the quarter versus $0.45 for the same period in 2019. And ex non core items, diluted earnings per share were $0.53 versus $0.57 last year as adjusted.
To help investors better understand our earnings, taxes and the split between the public shareholders and the non controlling interest, third quarter numbers are as follows. Starting with our unadjusted pretax income of $334,000,000 we deduct $18,000,000 for income taxes paid by our operating companies which are mostly foreign taxes. This leaves $316,000,000 of which 81.2% or that $256,000,000 reported on our income statement is attributable to non controlling interest. The remaining 18.8% or $60,000,000 is available for public company shareholders. As this is a non GAAP measure, it is not reported on our income statement.
After we expense remaining taxes of $14,000,000 owed on that $60,000,000 the public company's net income available for common stockholders is the $46,000,000 you see reported on our income statement. The income tax expense line of $32,000,000 consists of this $14,000,000 plus the $18,000,000 of taxes paid by the operating company. Two additional notes on operating company's income tax. The current quarter tax includes about $5,000,000 in prior period adjustments that are not expected to be recurring. And second, the current rate is running about $1,000,000 per quarter higher than previously due to increased tax costs outside The U.
S. Turning to the balance sheet with $8,500,000,000 in consolidated equity, we're well capitalized from a regulatory standpoint. We deploy our strong capital base toward opportunities to grow our brokerage business worldwide as well as to emphasize the strength and depth of our balance sheet to current and prospective clients and partners. We continue to carry no long term debt. And at September 30, margin loans were $30,300,000,000 up $4,400,000,000 versus last year.
We continue to expect swings in margin lending balances reflecting both economic conditions and our success in attracting institutional customers who are more opportunistic in taking on leverage. We offer the lowest margin lending rates of our competitors and as we expand our customer base, we remain well positioned to satisfy our customers' risk appetite. Now I'll turn it over to the moderator and we will take questions.
Speaker 0
Certainly. Our first question comes from the line of Richard Petall from Piper Sandler. Your question please.
Speaker 4
Yes. Good evening, Thomas. Good evening, Paul. So first question, Thomas, is trying to put a sort of a quantity around or quantify the risk of the EU and not getting the broker approval. Is there any way you can talk about potentially how it could impact either revenue or DARTs if you didn't get certain brokers approved?
Speaker 3
I don't think that the impact would be noticeable. It would only I think it would be only noticeable to the extent of opening new accounts and they are trading. So I don't expect that it will make much of a noticeable impact in the numbers.
Speaker 4
Because I'm assuming because the other existing accounts could still continue to trade. That's right. Okay. Okay. Another question, the margin loans have dramatically increased since they bottomed in March, at a little bit over 30,000,000,000 and sort of roughly flat with sort of the higher quarters of last year.
But I guess my question, can you see the margin loan balances given that accounts have grown by 50 and the best of our ability, the account quality when it looks like client when you look at average client equity or average trading, it's still the same. So are you could you expect to see improvement in, you know, people starting to lever up more?
Speaker 3
I do expect that but you must consider the fact that number one many of the new accounts are less of the professional trader type that we originally had and more of the investor type so they tend to use less margin. And second, we have tightened up many of our requirements because of understandable reasons, right?
Speaker 4
Yes, yes. Expected volatility here. I guess my last question is Thomas, if I got the math down right, the selling at 20,000 per day is around 5 a little bit over 5,000,000 shares a year. I think over the sixty year period you'd be a young 130. So if you are doing this to manage a state and the other reasons you noted at the beginning of the call, would you ever at some point entertain selling All all of the
Speaker 3
I have to sell is enough to pay the tax, right, when I die, right? Between now and when I die, I have to sign up to pay the tax at that time, right?
Speaker 4
Okay, okay. That's the goal of this selling.
Speaker 3
That's right. Got
Speaker 4
it. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3
Thank you.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Craig Siegenthaler from Credit Suisse. Your question please.
Speaker 5
Hey, good evening, everyone. Thank you for taking the question. Could
Speaker 1
you provide
Speaker 5
us an update on your initiative to obtain a bank charter in The U. S? And also just remind us what products could come out of a bank charter besides, CashSweep?
Speaker 3
So the effort to get a bank charter got sidetracked at the time when we had the SEC, FINRA or CFTC findings against us. And so we have to digest that and really prove that we have taken all the necessary steps and the regulators should be very happy with everything we have done. And so that's probably going to take maybe two or three more quarters.
Speaker 5
Got it. And Thomas, I'm sorry if I missed it, but did you give us a start date for the 10b5?
Speaker 3
I think it's November 2.
Speaker 5
Got it. That's it for me. Thank you for taking my questions.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Will Nance Your question please.
Speaker 3
Hi, good
Speaker 6
afternoon. So you're on track, I guess, to increase the account base by about 50%. And I know you aren't encouraging us to assume that this kind of continues at this rate, but just taking this massive acceleration of growth of the franchise at face value, has this led to any evolution Yes, in your
Speaker 3
That would be wishful thinking. I don't actually think that it will continue at 50% but it will continue at a hopefully at a fairly high rate.
Speaker 6
Right, right, right. So even conservatively though, franchise has already rate. Expanded pretty considerably. So I guess when you think about the growth that you've already seen, has this changed any of your thoughts in terms of what types of products, customer facing features, geographies you need to be investing in? Or is it still kind of more of the same?
Speaker 3
So it's more of the same in the sense that we are investing heavily in automation more and more in automating customer engagement, watching, having automated facilities that watch our customers and interact with them watch what they are doing and interact with them and telling them about the various options we have that they find useful at the moment when they do whatever they are doing. That sort of automation We are certainly going to continue to increase our marketing, digital marketing expenditure around the world and so we do hope that we can continue to grow at a very hefty rate and we're going to invest whatever we can usefully spend in our view in further growth.
Speaker 6
Got it. That's helpful. And then just at a high level, activity rates are extremely high right now. And I guess your customer base is more engaged than they have been in recent years. And so I guess is there anything that's on your mind, I guess, other than the election that would make you think that maybe this comes to an end sooner than later?
Or maybe conversely, what could kind of prolong these levels of activity? Does it really just come down to volatility? Or is there are you seeing like kind of different types of behavior for Well, the customer in
Speaker 3
the last couple of weeks we do notice some moderation in activity and which would be expected in, you know, as we come up to the election And then of course I think it will pick up when the results come out especially if the Senate goes Democratic I expect that people will start taking their long term gains because of the expected 43% long term capital gains tax rate. And then of course we have you know looking further down the road you know more and more spending and that will result in asset inflation including higher and higher stock prices. That's not unique to Interactive Brokers, that's going to be just general. Financial services industries, we've had a fairly good time.
Speaker 6
Got it. That makes sense. And then just last question. I mean you have $70,000,000,000 of client cash with a negative yield, and I think there are a lot of financial institutions out there that would salivate it at having funding profile that looks like that. When I look at how it's being monetized today, only roughly half of it is being monetized kind of funding margin loans.
And there's still a fair amount that's earning 15%, recognizing it's very difficult to monetize anything in this kind of interest rate environment. Do you spend a lot of time thinking about how to kind of improve the economics on some of the client cash over time? And you know, do you ever reach a point where you feel like there's some you you need to kind of optimize that equation?
Speaker 3
Well, you know, we hope we keep trying to expand our margin lending but without being while we remain careful because we don't want to take undue risks. But so that's basically certainly a focus. We do not see and as you know we're restricted in how we can our money and we are certainly not looking at lower grade infrequent illiquid governments or long term governments. That's not for us.
Speaker 1
So let me just add to that if I could Thomas. Well you have to understand also that outside The U. S. It's not permitted regulatorily to use client credits to fund margin lending. They have to be kept separate.
You segregate all of the credits and you finance the margin lending. And, you know, about 24% of our customer credits are outside The US. So what may appear to be a lesser use of our client balances, you have to take that into account.
Speaker 6
Got it. That's helpful color. Thank you both and Thomas. Good luck with continuing the 50% account growth.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kyle Voigt from KBW. Your question please.
Speaker 7
Hi, good evening. I believe several years ago Interactive Brokers paid a special dividend ahead of potential changes to the capital gains tax rate. I'm just wondering if a special dividend will be on the table again both the presidency and the Senate go to Democrats as you mentioned earlier?
Speaker 3
I haven't thought of special dividends. Okay.
Speaker 7
Just in terms of maybe following up on the social dividend question, you still have over $6,000,000,000 of excess regulatory capital. And I know not all of that is pure excess. And you stated in the past that much of that is there to support your credit rating and the prime brokerage business as well and growth there. Just wondering if you could frame, I mean, how much of that is really access to the balance sheet? In other words, how much do you need to maintain the current credit rating and to continue to grow the prime brokerage business at these rates?
Speaker 3
Paul, this is a question
Speaker 1
Paul, for Sure, can respond. So maintaining the $6,000,000,000 or so in excess regulatory capital is good prudent management that really allows us to be flexible when the market gets extremely active or when institutional clients come to us for financing opportunities, it allows us to use that without bumping into regulatory constraints. Also though understand that a lot of our capital is in fact already devoted to supporting the client activity. You know, it's spread out across many different countries and sectors. It's some of it helps finance margin lending that takes place outside The U.
S. As I just alluded to before. So our access at any one time is really more like between 2,000,000,000 and $3,000,000,000 let's say to then take on new opportunities. And the new opportunities do come. You know, come with regularity enough that we don't want to cut down that number.
We actually make use of that capital.
Speaker 7
That's helpful. Thank you, Paul. Another question on just the large transaction that's happened in the space and closing the space recently. I guess I'm curious to hear more about potential opportunities that this presents you both in the RIA segment and the active trader segment. And I guess I'm wondering if you can comment on whether you've seen any kind of over the past since announcement to the deal close, if you've seen any influx in the in balance calls or account openings potentially tied to that transaction specifically?
Speaker 3
I'm sorry. You were breaking up. I couldn't hear what the question. Paul, did you hear?
Speaker 7
Sorry. So Thomas, I'm really asking about whether or not the AmeriCrade Schwab merger is creating opportunities for your RIA segment. Now are you getting more imbalanced customer calls?
Speaker 3
Oh, definitely. We definitely have lots of RIAs that come to kick the tires. They basically want to know that if they wanted to leave would this be a good place to come to. So for now it's a lot of work for us with not much business but maybe, maybe it will materialize. You never know.
So we spend a lot of time with these RIAs and then they go away and they say oh yeah, this is very, very good to know. Thank you very much. Maybe we'll come back and then just the loss you see them for a while.
Speaker 7
Are you seeing any of that on the active trader side, Thomas?
Speaker 3
I would not we wouldn't know that. We wouldn't no, don't think so. No. Okay. I think most sophisticated active traders are already with us, I would think.
Speaker 7
Okay. All right. Thanks, Thomas. I appreciate
Speaker 3
it. Yes.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Chris Harris from Wells Fargo. Your question please.
Speaker 8
Great. So first question relates to trading activity. We speak to investors about the space, about your business. There's really I guess two narratives that have kind of developed. One is that the trading activity you're seeing today is unsustainable and that volumes have to go down.
And the other argument says that, oh, no, we're in a new paradigm with 0 dollars with zero commissions and kind of a work from home environment and that this trading
Speaker 1
is sustainable. Do you have
Speaker 8
a thought on that, Thomas, one
Speaker 1
way or the other or whether maybe
Speaker 8
you disagree with both those things?
Speaker 3
I think it is not sustainable at these levels but it will certainly not go back to the levels of early in the year. So I think it will probably end up somewhere about halfway in between. That's what I would expect.
Speaker 8
Okay great. And noticed that is the AML issue resolved? I didn't see it called out in the press release so I'm assuming that means yes but just wondering
Speaker 3
if The that's the question. AML issue is certainly resolved. We have undertaken a lot of work that we currently have to get done and that we will get done by the end of the year which is much earlier than what we agreed to do. But so the answer is that the issue is resolved. The work is not finished yet but it will be by early next year.
Speaker 8
Okay. And what additional work still needs to be done? Is it just related to the infrastructure?
Speaker 3
Yeah. It's basically software and, you know, the consultants. We have a number of consultants who have imposed various would be nice to have ideas and some of which we have accepted and we're working on getting them done.
Speaker 1
Okay, got it. Thank you.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Chris Allen from Compass Point. Your question please.
Speaker 9
Good evening, guys. I wanted to circle back on margin lending. You had noted earlier that you were gradually increasing requirements as we head into the election and also the margin lending balances can fluctuate. So maybe if you could give us an update in terms of where they stand currently versus the quarter end number, which I think was 30,300,000,000.0
Speaker 3
So we are currently in the process of increasing margin rates and I think that we will and I think by the end of this week or is that correct? Do I, I think?
Speaker 1
Yes, I believe that is correct. But let's remember that by and large these increases do not impact stock margin rates. They are focused on derivatives margin rates were lower to begin with. So as a result since borrowing takes place against stocks I wouldn't see a major impact there at all.
Speaker 3
Right. Our margin loans are gradually increasing as we speak in spite of the increase in the margin requirements.
Speaker 9
Got it. Got it. Got it. And then just a quick one on so the outlook for net interest income, reinvestment pressures seems like it's over on the sec cash side and rates have mostly stabilized. So obviously, you just talked about margin lending.
Sec lending, how do you feel about that moving forward? Has the sec lending sec lending box continue to increase? Do you still feel good about the outlook there?
Speaker 1
Oh sure. I mean mainly and as I always say it's opportunity driven. You know our base expands as our customer holdings and shorts expand. But, you know, the bigger your base, the more we can take advantage of specials meaning stocks that get hot and in short supply and all of that when they happen. And we've developed a lot of software to recognize and try to optimize the rates at which we can capture those opportunities.
So you will see it go up and down perhaps because we're not in control of which stocks become special. But we do make the most of it when they exhibit that behavior.
Speaker 9
Got it. That's it for me guys. Thank you.
Speaker 0
Thank you. And we have a follow-up from the line of Kyle Voigt from KBW. Your question please.
Speaker 7
Sorry, just a follow-up for Paul, if I could, on the other fees and services. I think that's increased $5,000,000 sequentially and $10,000,000 year over year. I'm just wondering if there's anything one off to call out in there? Or is that just a result of just overall rapid growth in accounts? And is that sustainable I guess is the core of the question.
Speaker 1
It comes from a number of factors. One of the larger ones is market data which is, you know, very much in line with the expansion of the customer base because we contract for a lot of market data and pass it on at, you know, at a relatively small markup but that number does expand. And really the only other mentionable factor is as I talked about before we facilitate IPO participation by our customers and that has been on the increase lately. It has generated more fees than before. Got it.
Okay. Thank you.
Speaker 0
Thank you. And this does conclude the question and answer session of today's program. I'd like to hand the program back to Nancy Stuebe for any further remarks.
Speaker 2
Thank you everyone for participating today. As a reminder, this call will be available for replay on our website and we'll be putting up a clean version of our transcript on the site tomorrow. Thanks again and we'll talk to you next quarter end.
Speaker 0
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.