iHeartMedia - Earnings Call - Q4 2024

Executive Summary

• Q4 2024: Revenue $1.118B (+4.8% YoY; ex-political −1.8%), Adjusted EBITDA $246M (+18.2% YoY), GAAP operating income $105M (vs $80M LY). Results came in below company guidance for both revenue (“up high-single digits”) and Adjusted EBITDA (~$290M) due to lighter political spend and a pre-/post-election slowdown in non-political advertising.
• Balance sheet/cash: Completed ~$4.8B debt exchange (92% participation) extending maturities by ~3 years; net debt $4.52B; liquidity $686M. Q4 free cash flow was −$24M (fees and accelerated interest for exchange); adjusted FCF $111M.
• Segment performance: Digital Audio revenue $339M (+6.7%) with margin 35.1%; Multiplatform revenue $684M (flat) with margin 21.9%; Audio & Media Services revenue $97.8M (+44.7%) with margin 49.8%.
• Outlook: Q1 2025 revenue down low-single digits; Q1 Adjusted EBITDA $100–$110M. FY 2025 revenue ~flat; Adjusted EBITDA ~$770M; FCF ~$200M. Programmatic catalysts: broadcast inventory to be available via Yahoo DSP and Google DV360 in March, supporting medium-term monetization of radio reach.

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

What Went Well

• Digital Audio delivered record full-year performance and solid Q4: revenue $339M (+6.7%), Adjusted EBITDA $119M (+2.1%), margin 35.1%. Management reiterated #1 podcast publisher status and expects Q1 podcast revenue to grow high teens.
• Cost actions and capital structure: Completed debt exchange (maturities to 2029–2031) while keeping consolidated annual cash interest “essentially flat,” reducing total debt and achieving lowest net debt in company history (~$4.52B). Modernization program expected to net ~$150M annual savings in 2025.
• Segment margins expanded: Multiplatform margin up to 21.9% from 20.7% YoY; Audio & Media Services margin up to 49.8% from 30.5% YoY, supported by political and digital demand.

What Went Wrong

• Q4 missed internal guidance: Adjusted EBITDA $246M vs guided ~ $290M; revenue +4.8% vs guided “high-single digits,” driven by weaker-than-expected political spend and non-political ad pause around the election that did not re-express post-election as hoped.
• Cash flow optics: Reported FCF −$24M due to $89M debt exchange fees and $46M accelerated interest; while adjusted FCF was $111M, reported optics may concern investors near term.
• Digital Audio margin compression: Segment margin declined to 35.1% from 36.7% YoY due to higher variable content and third-party costs, even as revenue grew.

Transcript

Operator (participant)

Good afternoon and welcome to the iHeartMedia Q4 2024 earnings call. All participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's remarks, we'll have a question-and-answer session. To ask a question, please press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Mike McGuinness, Head of Investor Relations. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Mike McGuinness (Head of Investor Relations)

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for taking the time to join us on our fourth quarter 2024 earnings call. Joining me for today's discussion are Bob Pittman, our Chairman and CEO, and Rich Bressler, our President, COO, and CFO. At the conclusion of our prepared remarks, management will take your questions. In addition to our press release, we have an earnings presentation available on our website that you can use to follow along with our remarks. Please note that this call may include forward-looking statements regarding our financial performance and operating results. These statements are based on management's current expectations, and actual results could differ from what is stated as a result of certain factors identified on today's call and in the company's SEC filings, including our recent 8K filing. Additionally, during this call, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures.

Reconciliations between GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures are included in our earnings release, earnings presentation, and our SEC filings, which are available in the investor relations section of our website. I will now turn the call over to Bob.

Bob Pittman (Chairman and CEO)

Thanks, Mike, and good afternoon, everyone. Before I take you through the fourth quarter financial results, I want to share two key highlights from last year. We successfully completed the comprehensive exchange transaction that we discussed in our third quarter call. This exchange accomplished three things. One, it extended the majority of our debt maturities by three years. Two, it kept our current consolidated annual cash interest expense essentially flat. Three, it provided overall debt reduction. This improved capital structure provides the company with the flexibility it needs to remain focused on creating shareholder value. An important part of creating that value is to continue modernization of our company. In 2024, we took another significant step in that journey, flattening our organization, eliminating redundancies, and breaking down silos.

It'll be easier to do business with us and easier for us to get our business done, and will help to accelerate earnings growth as well. As we discussed last quarter, the actions we took over the course of 2024 will generate over $200 million of annual cost reductions. There will be some ordinary course add-backs of approximately $50 million to our expense base, which results in net savings of approximately $150 million. With that, I'll turn to our fourth quarter financial results. In the fourth quarter, we generated adjusted EBITDA of $246 million, up 18.2% versus prior year. Our consolidated revenues for the quarter were up 4.8% compared to the prior year quarter. Excluding the impact of political, our consolidated revenues were down 1.8%.

Turning to our individual operating segments, the digital audio group generated fourth quarter revenues of $339 million, up 6.7% versus prior year, which represents approximately 30% of the company's revenue. The digital audio group generated fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA of $119 million, up 2.1% versus prior year, and the digital audio group's adjusted EBITDA margins were 35%. I will also note that this was the digital audio group's best full-year performance on record, generating over $1.1 billion of revenue and approximately $380 million of adjusted EBITDA. Within the digital audio group, our podcast revenues grew 5.7% compared to prior year, and our non-podcast digital revenues grew 7.1% compared to prior year. Our podcasting financial discipline continues to fuel what we believe is the most profitable podcasting business in the United States. Additionally, our podcasting EBITDA margins remain accretive to our total company EBITDA margins.

As Rich will discuss later, our podcasting revenues in Q1 are expected to grow in the high teens. In January, iHeart was once again ranked the number one podcast publisher in the U.S. according to Podtrac, and iHeart is the number one sales network in podcasting as well, with approximately three times the downloads and monthly audience of the next largest U.S. sales network according to Podtrac, with a similar leadership position globally as well. To that end, this week, iHeart Podcasts served as the official podcast partner for the 2025 Web Summit, Qatar, where our marquee talent, including Malcolm Gladwell and Jay Shetty, led panel discussions. On Monday, we announced a groundbreaking multi-year partnership with the Government Communications Office of the State of Qatar to help create a thriving podcasting industry in the Middle East and North Africa.

We see this as further validation of the continued growth potential of the podcast industry and of our ability to expand our leadership position as the largest U.S. podcast publisher to the global market as well. In addition to our industry-leading podcast business, we also have the number one streaming digital radio service, which has five times the listening of our closest competitor. We have the largest social footprint of any audio service by a factor of five, and we operate 3,000 national and local websites with more than 140 million unique users in the United States each month. In the fourth quarter, we launched the next generation of our iHeartRadio app, which combines the key features of the car radio that listeners know and love with innovative technological enhancements.

We've had a strong positive response from our listeners, so if you've not done so already, I encourage everyone to check out the redesigned iHeartRadio app and see for yourselves. Turning now to the multi-platform group, which includes our broadcast radio networks and events businesses. In the fourth quarter, revenues were $684 million, flat versus prior year, and excluding the impact of political advertising, revenues were down 5%. The multi-platform group's adjusted EBITDA was $150 million, up 5.9% versus prior year. As we look at the multi-platform group, let me take a moment to focus on broadcast radio and tell you why we continue to believe it's a growth engine for our company, not a declining business. Broadcast radio has more listeners today than it did 20 years ago.

In an environment in which broadcast and cable TV audiences have dwindled and print audiences have disappeared, broadcast radio audiences have remained strong, and our broadcast radio is the undisputed leader in monthly audience reach, even when compared to Google and Facebook. As we look at our advertising growth opportunities for broadcast radio, the most important variable for advertising on any medium is what's happening to the audience. On that front, broadcast radio is not only healthy but robust. Additionally, when audio is added to a social media campaign, the response rate jumps by 83%. Powerful evidence that in addition to reaching more potential consumers for advertisers, we can also meaningfully improve the response rates for their other media as well.

This, combined with the ad tech innovations we're rolling out to inject our broadcast radio inventory into data-infused digital buying platforms, including programmatic, makes us more confident than ever in the growth of broadcast radio revenue. Turning to the audio and media services group, revenues were $98 million, up 44.7% year over year, and adjusted EBITDA was $49 million, up 136% from $21 million in the prior year. Excluding the impact of political, the audio and media services group's revenues were down 1.6%. As we look to the year ahead, we remain focused on supporting our high-growth businesses like podcasting, while, as I said before, finding new ways to unlock the power and value of our broadcast radio assets, including our ongoing work to integrate our broadcast radio inventory in the programmatic platforms.

As evidence of our progress, I'm excited to announce that in March of this year, our broadcast radio inventory will be available via the Yahoo DSP and Google's DV360 for digital buyers to purchase alongside other programmatic assets like CTV. This is a critical early step in aligning our broadcast assets with digital buying behavior, which will allow iHeart's broadcast radio assets to participate in the growing digital and programmatic TAMs. As we continue to innovate and grow, our operational efficiency is critical to our success, and we remain relentlessly focused on cost efficiencies and on our commitment to take advantage of new and evolving technologies like programmatic and AI to deliver both short and long-term results. Before I turn it over to Rich, I'd like to take a moment to briefly mention the devastating Los Angeles wildfires.

Serving our local communities is at the heart of everything we do, and I want to acknowledge the incredible work of our teams on the ground during that time of crisis. It's moments like this and the hurricanes last fall that the dramatic value of what we do becomes apparent. Now I'll turn it over to Rich.

Rich Bressler (President, COO and CFO)

Thank you, Bob, and good afternoon, everyone. Our Q4 2024 consolidated revenues were up 4.8% year over year, below the guidance we provided of up high single digits due primarily to lower political advertising revenue than we had originally expected both before and after the election. Additionally, we saw a slowdown in non-political advertising revenue just before the presidential election, which, as we said in our Q3 call, we had hoped would be re-expressed after the election. In the end, it was not. Our consolidated direct operating expenses increased 9.9% for the quarter. This increase was primarily driven by higher variable content costs related to the increase in digital revenues, as well as costs incurred in connection with cost savings initiatives implemented in the fourth quarter. Our consolidated SG&A expenses decreased 1.7% for the quarter.

The decrease was driven primarily by lower compensation expense and the timing of non-cash marketing expense due to the iHeartRadio Music Festival, partially offset by costs incurred in connection with cost savings initiatives implemented in the fourth quarter. We generated fourth quarter GAAP operating income of $104.5 million compared to income of $79.8 million in the prior year quarter. We generated fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA of $246 million, up 18.2% versus prior year, which was below the guidance of approximately $290 million due to the advertising impacts I just mentioned. Turning now to the performance of our operating segments, and as a reminder, there are slides in the earnings presentation on our segment performances. In the fourth quarter, the digital audio group's revenues were $339 million, up 6.7% year over year, and in line with our guidance of up high single digits.

The digital audio group's adjusted EBITDA was $119 million, up 2.1% year over year, and our Q4 margins were 35%. Within the digital audio group, our podcasting revenues of $140 million, which grew 6% year over year, and for the full year, our podcasting revenues were up 10% year over year. Our first quarter non-podcasting digital revenues grew 7% year over year to $199 million. As those of you that follow us know, our podcasting revenues typically have a higher margin than our non-podcasting digital revenues, and the flow-through we saw in Q4 reflected this revenue mix. We expect to turn our flow-through performance around in the first quarter, with our podcasting revenues up in the high teens, as Bob mentioned, and to comprise the majority of our digital revenue growth, which will help us to continue our year-over-year digital audio group margin expansion.

The multi-platform group's revenues were $684 million, flat compared to prior years, and below the guidance of mid-single digits. Excluding the impact of political revenues, our multi-platform group revenues were down 5%. Adjusted EBITDA was $150 million, up 5.9% from $142 million in the prior year quarter. Multi-platform group's adjusted EBITDA margins were 21.9% compared to 20.7% in the prior year quarter. Turning to the audio and media services group, revenues were $98 million, up 44.7% year over year, and adjusted EBITDA was $49 million, up 136% from $21 million in the prior year. Excluding the impact of political, the audio and media services group revenues were down 1.6%. At quarter end, we had the lowest net debt position in the history of the company, approximately $4.52 billion of net debt outstanding. Our total liquidity was $686 million at quarter end, which includes a cash balance of $260 million.

Our quarter-ending net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio was 6.4 times, and we expect to end the year at approximately 5.5 times and remain on track to attain our goal of achieving 3.2 times by the end of 2028. As Bob mentioned in his remarks, we have completed the comprehensive exchange transaction with a group of debt holders representing, on an aggregate basis, approximately 92% of the company's outstanding debt. To reiterate some of the key highlights, as a result of the exchange transaction, our new notes and term loans have maturities ranging from 2029 to 2031, with reduced total debt levels, and importantly, our annual cash interest expense remains essentially flat. Notably, none of the exchange transactions had any impact on the equity capitalization of the company. This transaction strengthens the company's financial flexibility while providing iHeart with ample runway to achieve our strategic growth initiatives.

In the fourth quarter, due to fees and the acceleration of certain interest payments related to the debt transaction, our free cash flow was negative $24 million. Our free cash flow would have been $111 million when adjusting for the debt transaction-related expenses. In addition to that, further impacting our fourth quarter free cash flow were costs associated with the modernization program. As a point of reference, we recorded $33.5 million of restructuring expenses in the fourth quarter, with a portion of those payments hitting Q4 and negatively impacting our Q4 free cash flow. As we look ahead to Q1 2025, although the year began with optimism, many companies are now focusing on how potential tariffs, inflation, and higher interest rates may impact their businesses, introducing an element of uncertainty.

An indication of that uncertainty, as I'm sure you've seen, is the Conference Board measure of consumer confidence, which reported that February saw the largest single monthly decline in consumer confidence since August 2021. We've done our best to incorporate the impact of this uncertainty into our guidance. Our first quarter results will also be impacted by the wildfires in Los Angeles. Not only is Los Angeles our largest revenue market, but our national major account sales team is based there as well, affecting revenue beyond just Los Angeles, all of which is compounded by the fact that Q1 is always our smallest revenue quarter for the year. With that in mind, we expect to generate consolidated first quarter adjusted EBITDA in the range of $100-$110 million compared to $105 million in the prior year quarter.

We expect our consolidated Q1 2025 revenues to be down low single digits compared to the prior year. As a reflection of the optimism the year began with, and then the uncertainty that rolled in later, our January revenues were up 5.5%, and our February pacing is down approximately 7%. Turning to the individual segments for Q1, we expect the digital audio group's revenues to be up low double digits, with podcasting revenues expected to grow in the high teens. We expect the multi-platform group's revenues to be down mid-single digits, and we expect the audio and media services group's revenue to be down approximately 15% due to the impact of political advertising spent in the prior year period. At this point, we remain optimistic about the year ahead, even with the uncertainty in the economy, and we want to reiterate our full year 2025 guidance.

We expect our full year 2025 revenues to be approximately flat compared to 2024. We expect to generate full year adjusted EBITDA of approximately $770 million, and we expect to generate free cash flow of approximately $200 million. The following assumptions are included in our free cash flow guidance. We expect our cash taxes to be approximately 10% of our adjusted EBITDA. We expect our full year capital expenditures to be approximately $90 million. We expect our cash restructuring expenses to be approximately $45 million. At year end 2025, we expect our net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio to be approximately 5.5 times, and we remain on track to achieve our goal of 3.2 times by the end of 2028. Now, I will turn it over to the operator to take your questions. Thank you.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star, followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw any questions, press star one again. Our first question comes from Jessica Reif Ehrlich from Bank of America. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Jessica Reif Ehrlich (Managing Director)

Thank you. I have a couple of questions, if that's okay. First, Bob and Rich, I know you've both consistently talked about the resilience of broadcast listening. Can you talk about how you're thinking about monetizing that going forward? Maybe in that context, I know, Bob, you mentioned both programmatic and AI. How much of a needle mover will programmatic be? What does the ramp look like? I have a follow-up. Thanks.

Bob Pittman (Chairman and CEO)

Sure. Look, I think that programmatic is an essential part of what we're doing. It's a growing part of the ad market. I think you're sort of implying the answer to the question, which is, how do we take this incredible amount of listening we've got, the strong relationships we've got with our consumers? Oh, by the way, when measured, broadcast radio has enormous performance in terms of performance marketers, in terms of delivering the metrics they need. Clearly, the issue for us in broadcast radio is we need to make this inventory fit the buying systems that are out there and the new way people are buying, which is very digital-centric. Programmatic is part of it. It's also automated buying.

It might be actually live conversations, but they can execute it through an automated platform and beginning to have it sit side by side with the other digital options. Our hope also, as people are putting these systems together, that algorithms versus human beings make the decisions about allocating the dollars to different media. We know there is certainly a bias against radio. It's considered old media. I think we've gotten tarred with a brush of TV or print that have really seen a substantial degradation in their audience. Here we are with this incredible audience, incredible performance. I think when the algorithm looks at the facts and makes choices about allocations, that's going to be very beneficial to broadcast radio as well. Programmatic, for us, we're, I think, making great progress on the automated platform.

We're making great progress on putting all of our inventory into a platform so it can be accessed from any seller, anywhere, any time, and can be accessed with the key data that's needed. We're all making progress. I think this year is, as we talked last year, this is probably the year in which we're rolling it out. We're beginning to get in DSPs, rolling out our platforms. We probably will learn a lot this year, and I think we should begin to see some revenue this year, but I think the impact probably is built next year and the following year.

Rich Bressler (President, COO and CFO)

Hey, Jessica, the only just thing I'd add, just quickly what Bob said is you talked about the ramp and everything, but the first step before you kind of get to the ramp and learn is to get into platforms. That's why Bob's point about the DV360 and the Yahoo, two very significant platforms, is significant for us.

Jessica Reif Ehrlich (Managing Director)

Right. Okay. Maybe just two more quick ones. Could you address the video podcasting opportunity? Spotify has been talking about that a bit, and you obviously have a really strong position in podcasting. Finally, on the overall market outlook, I mean, obviously, there's a lot of puts and takes, as you guys have outlined, but L.A. is your biggest market. Can you give us some color on what the impact was in Q4 and how it looks moving forward?

Bob Pittman (Chairman and CEO)

Sure. Why don't I hit first the video podcasting? Look, there's a lot of talk about video podcasting. Clearly, YouTube would love everything to be video podcasting. When you look at the research, though, it looks like about 10% of podcast users would prefer video. Others are willing to look at video, but most people, actually, the overwhelming majority, actually want it to be audio. They are using podcasting because it's a great experience for them because they don't want to use their eyes. They are cooking. They're driving. They're running. They're doing other activities where they can listen, but they can't watch. I think it's also with many of these hosts, and I know, Jessica, you listen to a lot of them. It is very conversational, very personal. It is not TV-style production.

As a matter of fact, unlike TV, which is very story and production-driven, podcasting is very host-driven. Often, the more just loving hands at home it sounds, and just the easygoing and casual is what people prefer. Podcasting like radio is a lot about companionship. It's who is that person I've chosen to hang out with, and I hang out with them regularly. Although there are opportunities, and by the way, there are opportunities for us. If we can make more money adding video to it, we will. Some of our podcasts do have video, and we're open to it. It's not terribly expensive. It's just what do you want to focus on? We just always start with the consumer. If the consumer really wants it, we'll figure out how to deliver it.

You're right, given that we're the number one podcast publisher, we've got by far the biggest stable to play with, and there's a lot we can do there.

Rich Bressler (President, COO and CFO)

Jess, just before Bob turns to your question on the advertising environment, just in terms of just looking at the facts, we're just coming off a year where we had double-digit revenue growth in podcasting. Again, we're going to continue to get to lower bigger numbers, double-digit revenue growth. The guidance we just gave is high teen growth in Q1. Yes, as Bob talked about, we're monitoring and looking at consumer usage, but just look at the facts and the runway we still have with the podcasting business we have today.

Bob Pittman (Chairman and CEO)

Look, also, there's a big delta between video and broadcast radio in terms of CPMs. There's not a big delta between podcasting and video. We don't really get a bump up in value if you add video to it. On the LA front, clearly, LA is a big market for us. It was disrupted by the fires. I think it's beginning to get back to normal. Not only was the market disrupted, but our direct-to-client sales group, which is a very important part of our company, national sales, is based there. We had disruption there. People lost houses. Employees sort of went through the struggle. Fortunately, we didn't in our company have any loss of life. It's just this property. I think, again, we think that was probably, in terms of the LA market, a little bit of a blip.

Probably the bigger impact in the LA market is that there's more people going back to office. Traffic is getting long again. I hate to sound cynical here, but traffic jams are our friend. We're a company that benefits from people with longer commutes and more time in the car. We actually think that probably has, ironically, a beneficial effect on the company.

Rich Bressler (President, COO and CFO)

Yeah. Just one of those, I think you also just touched upon in terms of the overall advertising market, and we laid out the puts and takes in our opening remarks. I think just looking at all the other companies and supported companies between yesterday and today that release, I think we're kind of all seeing the same trends out there in terms of the start of the year and the uncertainty, whether it's the tariffs. We also have the consumer confidence piece come out today, uncertainty in terms of inflation and interest rates. At the same time, as we look forward, and I think it's very important, we reiterated our confidence in the business for the rest of the year. Again, going back to what Bob said earlier about the strength of our assets, the economy will sort itself out, and we'll all work through this.

We continue to remain optimistic as we go forward.

Bob Pittman (Chairman and CEO)

Yeah. I think, look, what we're dealing with is, and it always happens this way, if there's change, people take a beat and adjust to the change. I mean, there's a big change between this administration and the last one. I think people are digesting, and I don't think the uncertainty is totally unexpected, and it's certainly understandable. We think going forward that that begins to steady up a lot, and we move back and continue to be optimistic about the year.

Jessica Reif Ehrlich (Managing Director)

Thank you.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Patrick Sholl from Barrington Research. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Patrick Sholl (Research Analyst)

Hi. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about the automated buying and how much that sort of contributes to the improving trend of the year to make up that difference in total advertising as a result of the political comp.

Bob Pittman (Chairman and CEO)

Yes. A really good question. I think it comes in, and it comes in in pieces. It's a gradual movement. First step is we did it with smart audio, which is we have a suite of data enhancements that go with our audiences and building out cohorts. I think it's pretty significant the number of advertisers today that use our data in some form or another. Sort of second phase of that is let's put hands on keyboards instead of phone calls and traditional ways to buy advertising. The third is that in addition to, but not replacing it, there's also the programmatic advertising, which is built on the automated systems. Probably we'll get into some of the real-time bidding stuff as well. We have some marketplaces already up.

We have the iHeart Audience Network up, which allows us to have a pretty broad array of options for advertisers in digital. We are adding the broadcast radio options to that, which is, for us, the great opportunity. I think that, again, I go back to probably the biggest upside we've got in terms of underappreciated asset or underutilized asset is broadcast radio inventory. I mean, it's got audience that no one else has, and it has impact for advertisers. Again, that's pretty remarkable.

Rich Bressler (President, COO and CFO)

Just to be fair, one point, we're not assuming anything to Bob's point, as we've gotten into the systems and learning, we're not assuming any significant contribution this year from that. Obviously, we're incredibly excited about the TAMs that it'll enable us to take advantage of.

Patrick Sholl (Research Analyst)

Okay. You talked about January advertising being up, and I realize that was short-lived. What were some of the drivers of that turnaround from kind of maybe a slower-than-expected close to the year to at least the positive start?

Bob Pittman (Chairman and CEO)

You know what's interesting? We talked about that pause in advertising we saw before the election. We had thought and hoped it would be re-expressed in December. It wasn't. I think there's an argument that it was re-expressed in January, that it was a little longer sales cycle than that, and you saw that sort of rush of optimism turn into buying. I think as reality set in in January, February, and saying, "Wait a minute, what are the tariffs? Inflation's not completely gone?" and other issues, I think people take a little bit of a step back and look, keeping in mind that if there's ever a quarter in which advertisers feel confident and comfortable stepping back a little bit, it's first quarter. It's probably all four quarters. It's the one that there's least pressure to advertise. Most people don't. It's the lowest advertising quarter of the year.

Not totally unexpected, but hopefully, what we're seeing is a return to some comfort and stability and absorption and digestion of all the change.

Patrick Sholl (Research Analyst)

Okay. Thank you.

Operator (participant)

Our last question comes from Steven Laszczyk from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Stephen Laszczyk (VP)

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Two, if I could. Maybe first on podcasting for Bob and Rich. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about your expected drivers of growth in the podcasting business this year, perhaps between adding new content to the platform, improving engagement, monetization. What do you see as the main drivers or the largest drivers of that expected growth in podcasting revenue? Second, maybe just on political, I think it came in a little bit below what we had expected in the 2024 cycle. Just curious if you could talk a little bit about why that might have been the case and what do you think that means, if anything, for the next few rounds of political spending as we come up on the midterms and the next presidential cycle. Thank you.

Bob Pittman (Chairman and CEO)

Sure. The drivers of podcasting are all of them. I mean, we're in that fortunate phase of podcasting in which everything is growing. We're expanding the product on our platform. We're expanding the audience. We're expanding the value and the pricing. There's expanding demand. People are beginning to say, "I've got to have podcasting. It's sort of a must-buy." All of those are drivers now. For us, I think probably we see that at least continuing through this year and hopefully beyond that as well. On political, I think, again, looking at—I will let Rich talk to the specifics. I think in political, I think the lesson here this year is that the political campaigns want a lot of data, and it's probably more data-driven than it's ever been.

When you say, "What do we learn from this that we take forward to the midterm and to the presidential year?" it is that we have to up our game just like we are in Programmatic and Automated with the political sector as well. It may surprise you to know we are actually working on it right now, even though the midterms do not begin for a while, to be ready for that and to absorb the lessons we learn.

Rich Bressler (President, COO and CFO)

Yeah. By the way, the one thing I might just add is, too, we did talk about in Q3 the pause that happened with the changing of candidates and everything on the Democratic side. Again, we covered that and knew that at that time, but we thought there might be some more money coming in post the election, which did not materialize. At the same time, while we did not quite get to the number that we thought, if you look at the performance of MPG in Q4, we did have overall 8% dividend growth in Q4 on relatively flat revenue. It just—the absolute performance was terrific.

Stephen Laszczyk (VP)

Got it. That's great. Thank you both.

Rich Bressler (President, COO and CFO)

Operator, if there are no other questions, we, again, appreciate everybody taking the time to listen, to spend the time to focus on the iHeart story. The team is available, starting with Bob, myself, and Mike for any follow-ups. Thank you again.

Operator (participant)

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.