Independent Bank - Q2 2023

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Operator (participant)

Good morning, and welcome to the INDV Independent Bank Corp. Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your touchtone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Before proceeding, please note that during this call, we will be making forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from these statements due to a number of factors, including those described in our earnings release and other SEC filings.

We undertake no obligation to publicly update any such statements. Some of our discussion today may include references to certain non-GAAP financial measures. Information about these non-GAAP measures, including reconciliation to GAAP measures, may be found in our earnings release and other SEC filings. These SEC filings can be accessed via the Investor Relations section of our website. Finally, please also note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jeff Tengel, CEO. Please go ahead.

Jeff Tengel (CEO)

Good morning. Thanks for joining us today. I'm joined this morning by CFO and Head of Consumer Lending, Mark Ruggiero. Our second quarter performance was a solid one, marked by healthy new loan volumes with moderating attrition, stable deposit levels, higher fee income, contained expenses, and ample liquidity and capital. While the current rate environment continues to pressure earnings in the banking industry, we are continuing to act on our longstanding strategies and are well-positioned when things begin to turn. Mark will take you through the quarter. I'd first like to offer some observations following my first full quarter as CEO. Beyond addressing the current industry dynamics, my efforts have been focused on continuing to personally engage with all of my Rockland Trust colleagues, deepening my understanding of individual business units, and sizing up additional growth opportunities for future consideration.

In a nutshell, I came away even more impressed and excited about our franchise and the opportunities in front of us. Rockland Trust has a solid foundation and a number of attributes that position us for future success. We operate in markets with highly attractive demographics that has guided our thoughtful acquisition and organic growth initiatives over the years. It's a market with household income levels and projected growth that are above national averages, with multiple growth industries and a deep labor pool arising out of the many universities in the region. We have a business mix and a full suite of commercial and consumer product offerings, which meets the increasingly sophisticated needs of our client base. That is complemented by a large and scalable investment management business and an extensive retail branch network.

Our footprint now extends from Greater Boston, west to Worcester, and down through Cape Cod and the Islands, with number one share in key local markets, while the number of households served continue to reach record levels. I've been very impressed by the caliber of both customer-facing and support staff and the depth and quality of the senior manager ranks, many of whom have decades of experience at Rockland Trust. We have a passion for service excellence and have the highest Net Promoter Score in our market, evidencing our culture where each relationship matters. We have a disciplined operating philosophy that has guided Rockland Trust over its 100 plus years. Our risk management culture is deeply embedded throughout all levels of the company. This discipline has allowed us to emphasize those businesses where we have a competitive advantage and to avoid pursuing activities where we can't add value.

When you put all that together, Rockland Trust has consistently demonstrated solid profitability with an EPS compound annual growth rate of 10% over the past 10 years. We have a track record of strong performance on ROA, ROTCE, efficiency ratio, credit costs, and cost of deposits. This has led to consistent growth in tangible book value per share through multiple cycles and despite multiple acquisitions. At the same time, we've been investing in our technology. We leverage best-in-class applications like Salesforce and nCino. We're rolling out a new online account opening application. We've invested in other customer experience-driven technologies, including applications geared towards guiding our customers through their financial journey with personalized insights, advice, and automated money management.

We are continuing to use RPA to help increase our productivity in repetitive tasks. Finally, we're upgrading our core platform that will modernize and improve the front-end user experience and advance day-to-day operational efficiencies. Before turning it over to Mark, I want to publicly thank Chris Oddleifson, our now retired CEO, who has provided invaluable advice and insights during my onboarding. Chris has been extremely helpful in accelerating my learning curve, and he is a ready source of ongoing counsel should the need arise. On that note, I'll turn it over to Mark.

Mark Ruggiero (EVP and CFO)

Thank you, Jeff. I will now take us through the earnings presentation deck that was included in our 8-K filing and is available on our website in today's investor portal. As Jeff hit upon many of the themes noted on Slide two, I will move to Slide three of the deck, which summarizes our second quarter results and key drivers. 2023 second quarter GAAP net income grew to $62.6 million in diluted EPS of $1.42, which reflected modestly higher loan balances, stable deposit levels, competitively higher funding costs, and higher fee income, along with the full quarter benefit of our first quarter buyback activity. These results produced a 1.29% return on assets, an 8.78% return on average common equity, and a 13.54% return on tangible common equity.

Despite additional other comprehensive losses, tangible book value grew $0.57, or 1.4% in the second quarter. I will now discuss the primary drivers behind the second quarter results, as highlighted on this slide. As we move to Slide four, we will focus first on deposit activity, which remains top of mind. Total deposits declined minimally by $24.1 million, or 0.2%, to $15.25 billion when compared to last quarter. While the cost of deposits increased from 59 basis points in Q1 to 85 basis points in Q2, driven primarily by a continued shift to a more normal overall funding profile, the modest balance change for the quarter reflects a meaningful stabilization of our overall deposit balances.

Our long-standing focus on core relationship accounts drove a healthy 1.1% increase, or 4.4% annualized, in total households for the quarter, as we are really starting to see our award-winning customer service and market reputation really resonate with both existing and new customers amidst the market disruption in our footprint. Continuing to focus on the strength of our deposit base, Slide five provides updated information regarding uninsured deposit balances, also reflecting stable levels when compared to the prior quarter. Turning now to Slide six, we provide additional information regarding the company's overall liquidity position, including details around the measuring and monitoring of both on and off-balance sheet metrics. The Q2 activity reflected in our interest earning cash position includes a couple of items worth highlighting.

In response to the stabilizing deposit environment we just talked about, we reduced the amount of proactive borrowings from $300 million to $100 million during the quarter. You can see the rest of the quarterly cash activity is primarily a function of our core operating business and balance sheet changes for the quarter. Regarding our off-balance sheet borrowing capacity, we pledged additional securities during the second quarter to increase our overall borrowing capacity at the Federal Home Loan Bank of Boston. We continue to track and monitor deposit activity to ensure appropriate risk mitigation, as evidenced by our strong uninsured coverage metrics noted on this slide.

Another important element of both our interest rate and capital risk management, Slide seven summarizes key information related to our securities portfolio, which totaled $3 billion at quarter end, with an unrealized loss position on the AFS portfolio of $160 million, or 10.4% of the portfolio. Not included in the reported balances is another $180 million of unrealized losses on the held to maturity portfolio, or 11.1% of those balances. The average life of the entire portfolio was approximately 4.5 years, with details of expected principal repayments over the next three years included on this slide. In terms of the portfolio impact on capital, we highlight that the tangible capital ratio remains very strong at 9.4%, even when factoring in the held to maturity portfolio unrealized losses net of tax.

Moving to Slide eight, total loans increased 1.4% or 5.5% annualized to $14.1 billion for the quarter, driven primarily by disciplined growth in our residential real estate and overall commercial portfolios, which are also benefiting from lower attrition levels. While we remain cautious in our approach to new loan opportunities, we are optimistic over second half deal flow. Our approved commercial pipeline at quarter end sits at a healthy $239 million and is anchored in our core relationship-based lending that has served us well over many years. On the consumer portfolios, we are prioritizing saleable or variable rate portfolio products on the residential lending side, in addition to a stable home equity pipeline.

While Slide nine provides an overall snapshot of the makeup of the various loan portfolios, we will dive a bit deeper into overall asset quality and non-owner occupied commercial real estate exposure. Regarding the latter, we move to Slide 10, which provides a number of details over that portfolio. As indicated, while we disclose owner-occupied and mixed-use balances in the top chart, our enhanced disclosure and credit risk monitoring is primarily focused on the approximately $1.07 billion of non-owner occupied office portfolio. Big picture, the current quarter migration of a $14.2 million loan into non-performing is driving the majority of the additional reserve allocation provided for in the quarter, while we continue to closely monitor the remaining exposure for any further degradation.

as we work through that enhanced monitoring, we remain cautious, yet comforted in the current status, noting that within our top 20 largest office balances, there is 0 non-performing and 0 delinquent loans within that group. Noted on slide 11, the story embedded in the graphs presented here are fairly straightforward. As I mentioned, during the second quarter, we fully charged off the $23 million C&I loan that had already been fully reserved for as of last quarter, accounting for the vast majority of charge-offs in the quarter. Regarding that loan, we are still working through remediation efforts, and any possible loss recovery is unknown at this point. As I noted on the previous slide, the provision for loan loss in the quarter was driven primarily by one office CRE loan that moved to non-performing status, and all other asset quality metrics remained stable.

Turning to slide 12 and the net interest margin. The full quarter of increased wholesale borrowings and higher deposit costs resulted in a 25 basis point reduction in the reported net interest margin to 3.54% for the quarter. When excluding non-core items, the core net interest margin decreased 26 basis points for the quarter. As noted in the charts below, we now peg the cumulative beta impact on both the loan and deposit portfolios at 28% and 16%, respectively. Though deposit rate pressures will persist, on a positive note, the relative stability of the deposit balances experienced in the second quarter, along with asset repricing and hedge maturities benefit, should provide a path to future margin stability in the second half of the year.

Noted on slide 13, fee income increased nicely in the quarter, fueled by increased wealth management fees, loan level derivative swap income, and other miscellaneous items. Another solid quarter of new money inflows in our wealth business, along with market appreciation, drove an overall increase in assets under administration to a record $6.3 billion on June 30th, a $159 million, or 2.6% increase over the prior quarter. As evidence, excuse me, as further evidence of our focus on operating leverage, total expenses noted on slide 14 decreased by $3.1 million, or 3.1%, when compared to the prior quarter, as we continue to ensure there is an appropriate balance of near-term expense discipline while not sacrificing investment in the company's future value initiatives.

Lastly, as summarized on slide 15, we provide an updated set of guidance focused primarily on general trends over near-term expectations. Though deposit balances are stabilizing, we further expect remixing of non-interest-bearing deposits into term deposits, which will continue to pressure the net interest margin in the near future. Using the forward curve assumptions, we expect the margin to stabilize in the 3.35%-3.40% range during the second half of the year, likely in the fourth quarter. Similar to the first half of the year, we expect changes in our borrowings levels will primarily be a direct reflection of loan and deposit changes.

With the level of uncertainty still impacting all loan portfolios, we anticipate provision for loan loss will be driven primarily by the near-term performance of our investment commercial real estate portfolio and the office exposure in particular. Regarding fee income, we anticipate flat to low single digit % increases when compared to Q2 results. For non-interest expense, we also expect relatively flat to slightly increased levels as compared to Q2. That concludes my comments, and I'll now turn it back to Jeff.

Jeff Tengel (CEO)

Take questions.

Mark Ruggiero (EVP and CFO)

Oh, I'm sorry. We're actually going to take questions now. Sorry.

Operator (participant)

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your touchtone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question comes from Mark Fitzgibbon with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director)

Hey, guys. Good morning.

Mark Ruggiero (EVP and CFO)

Good morning, Mark.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director)

First question I had for you is on that $14 million, credit that went non-accrual this quarter. You know, I'm curious, is it a loan in Boston? I was also curious what the LTV looks like on it and whether you have had it reappraised yet?

Mark Ruggiero (EVP and CFO)

It's actually, it's not in downtown Boston, which is why you don't see it in kind of our financial bay, sorry, our financial district, Back Bay exposure. It's a suburb of Boston. It's a little bit of a unique story, Mark. It's actually, we're still in the process of negotiating with the borrower. It was set to mature back in May, I believe. It's only 60 days past due, we thought, given kind of the process of working out with the customer now, that we put it on discretionary nonaccrual

As we do not have any sort of formal forbearance or modification execute at this point. We're in discussions with the borrower. There's, you know, a level of vacancy in the facility that has challenged operating cash flows, but we're continuing to work with that borrower in hopes of getting it to a more stabilized condition. We just thought at this point, we'd take a conservative approach and put it in non-accrual, but we're continuing to work with that borrower.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director)

Do you have a sense for what the rough LTV on that is, Mark?

Mark Ruggiero (EVP and CFO)

Yeah. Our most recent appraisal, also, you know, helped us make that decision that we felt there was a deficit in terms of, the appraised value compared to what it's on the books at. We've actually set up a specific reserve to the tune of about $4 million at the end of the second quarter, based upon the recent appraisal.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director)

Okay, great. Secondly, on page 10 of your slide deck, which was super helpful, thank you. Am I reading it right, that about 40% of the office book will mature or reprice within the next two years?

Mark Ruggiero (EVP and CFO)

Yeah, we have about 22% of that will actually mature within the next two years. We have adjustable rate loans, that we're looking at, will come up for a new rate reset within the next two years. That's another 19% or so.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director)

Okay. Any thoughts about maybe trying to sell some office notes, you know, shrinking exposure, given where we are in the cycle with this stuff?

Jeff Tengel (CEO)

I don't think so. Not at this point. We still feel pretty good, actually, about our underlying portfolio and the underwriting historically, that we've done on that. I think we're gonna, we're gonna hang in there. I think a lot of our customers are gonna work with us. We've seen some of that already as we've been, proactively reaching out to them. There is a practical reality that I don't think there's a lot of buyers, at least not at the, you know, at the levels that we'd be comfortable with.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director)

Okay. Then I saw your comments on provisioning, being somewhat dependent on, you know, office portfolio trends. Should we take that to mean that there could be some more, you know, sort of swings in the provision, larger swings than maybe we're accustomed to seeing on provisioning levels?

Mark Ruggiero (EVP and CFO)

Not necessarily, Mark. You know, what I was trying to get at there is, you know, I think what you've seen over the last few quarters for us, the provisioning has really been tied to the movement of one or two large credits. As we sit here today, with the one loan we were just talking about that moved into non-performing, right now, we have no other non-performing or delinquencies within that office pool, which is where we see the most risk. I think we're feeling good about credit. You know, we're continuing to monitor. Obviously, the subset of the portfolio you referenced in terms of what's coming due, is where we're spending a lot of our efforts. Right now, looking out on the horizon, things are looking pretty good. I think barring any movement into non-performings, we should see some stabilization on provision.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director)

Okay. Lastly, what do you think the cumulative deposit beta looks like, you know, when we sort of fully get through the cycle, the rising rate cycle? I think to date, the cumulative deposit beta is, like, 16%. Where do you think that settles out?

Mark Ruggiero (EVP and CFO)

It's a great question. How I think about it, embedded in that margin guidance we've provided in terms of how we're thinking about, you know, where the level would stabilize. That would suggest our cumulative deposit beta probably gets to about 20% or so, maybe slightly higher than that. I think that's, as I said, you know, all through this cycle, that's right in the range that we've always talked about and think about the performance of our deposit franchise. It's consistent with how we do a lot of our ALCO modeling. It's been comforting to see that through the cycle, betas will probably get to the point that we've always thought about.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director)

Thank you.

Mark Ruggiero (EVP and CFO)

Thank you.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Steve Moss with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Steve Moss (Equity Research Analyst)

Good morning.

Mark Ruggiero (EVP and CFO)

Good morning, Steve.

Steve Moss (Equity Research Analyst)

Maybe just following up on the deposit beta there. Just you mentioned total deposit beta, Mark. Just curious, like, in terms of the level of remixing, you're assuming there is maybe just a little bit more non-interest bearing to interest-bearing remix. Is that fair?

Mark Ruggiero (EVP and CFO)

Yeah, I think that's.

Steve Moss (Equity Research Analyst)

Okay.

Mark Ruggiero (EVP and CFO)

Yeah, tough to pinpoint an exact number there, but it does. You know, certainly I think the pace at which you've seen the migration over the last couple of quarters will slow. I think there's still probably a bit more to go. You know, when I look at our, you know, where we've been historically in terms of non-interest-bearing demand deposits, you know, I look at pre-COVID, we were around 29% of our total deposits being non-interest-bearing. You know, right now, we're sitting at about 32%. I'd like to think we can stay hopefully in that 30% range. Maybe we get back down to low 20s. I think there's a very positive path there going forward.

Steve Moss (Equity Research Analyst)

Okay. appreciate that color. In terms of just on loan pricing here, curious to see where, you know, where new loans are coming on the books. You know, you mentioned you had a pretty healthy pipeline, just kind of what you're expecting to come on, later this year for yields.

Mark Ruggiero (EVP and CFO)

Sure. You know, new originations, it's, you know, I talk about it. It's really the story of the fixed and variable dichotomy right now. As you can imagine, in terms of at least what we closed in the second quarter on the fixed rate side, a lot of that was in the resi portfolio. On the commercial side, you know, the fixed rate pricing is still pretty competitive when you're looking at the middle part of the curve. A lot of what we put on the books was around 6%. I'd say that's shifting more towards mid-six when you think about true fixed rate exposure.

On the flip side, you know, anything priced variable, whether it's off of SOFR, where we're continuing to still see decent credit spreads or prime-based lending. You know, a lot of what we closed in the second quarter was mid to high 7s, and that'll continue to trend upwards, probably into the high 7s and even 8% in a lot of deals. If you look at the mix, you know, being probably pretty equal or, you know, certainly prioritizing and looking to do a bit more variable rate lending going forward, I'd imagine the all-in rate on new originations would be around 7% going forward.

Steve Moss (Equity Research Analyst)

Okay. That's helpful. In terms of just, in terms of the pipeline, you know, your guidance is for relatively stable for the second half of the year. You guys sound a little bit upbeat about the potential for maybe some growth given your pipeline. Just kind of curious to maybe tie that out a little further.

Jeff Tengel (CEO)

Yeah, the flatness that we're thinking about over the second half of the year really, it comes about because of the, you know, the ongoing amortization in the portfolio and then, you know, a little bit of attrition. We do feel good about the, you know, the value proposition that we have in the marketplace and the stability of the franchise. We've continued to support our existing customers and are, you know, actively prospecting for new customers, and some of that prospecting is starting to pay off in the form of new business. We feel like we have a pretty engaged and active sales force and expect to be able to take a little bit of market share in the second half.

Steve Moss (Equity Research Analyst)

Okay, great. Appreciate all the color. Thank you very much.

Jeff Tengel (CEO)

Thank you.

Operator (participant)

If you have a question, please press star, then one. Our next question comes from Chris O'Connell with KBW. Please go ahead.

Chris O'Connell (Director)

Morning. Just wanted to circle back on the office portfolio, and see if you guys had a total reserve for the entirety of the portfolio, not just the one credit that migrated this quarter?

Mark Ruggiero (EVP and CFO)

Yeah, it's pretty consistent with the total overall allowance, Chris, in terms of specific allocation to that portfolio.

Chris O'Connell (Director)

Okay, got it. Then just wanted to get a sense of, you know, from a strategic standpoint, you know, there's been a lot of disruption in your markets. You know, have you guys been looking at a lot more hiring opportunities? If so, you know, what types of, you know, teams or personnel, are you guys, you know, most looking to add, on a go-forward basis?

Jeff Tengel (CEO)

We continue to be real opportunistic in that regard. You know, I've always been a believer that you win with the best people, so when good people become available, we tend to be pretty active and responsive to that. I think we have a good story to tell in terms of attracting good people. We find that we're most successful getting people that are coming from some of the larger banks in the region that find the idea of working for Rockland Trust is a compelling position because we have a lot of the same capabilities that the larger banks have, but we're much more nimble, and we're able to react a lot quicker.

The thing that we like about hiring people from that pool is they typically come to us with good credit skills and pretty savvy bankers, and they fit well with what we're trying to get accomplished. We'll continue to. We've had some success in the first half of the year. We've hired four or five new people from that pool I just described, and I would expect that we'll continue to be opportunistic over the second half of the year.

Chris O'Connell (Director)

Okay, great. Does that, you know, Do those hiring opportunities, does that, you know, put any pressure onto the overall expense base, you know, headed into 2024? Do you guys have the ability to kind of offset in different areas? You know, maybe if you could just go into a little bit more detail on the core platform enhancement that you mentioned in the prepared comments?

Mark Ruggiero (EVP and CFO)

Yeah, I think to answer the first question, Chris, I wouldn't anticipate that to have a meaningful impact on the expense run rate going forward. I think, as you mentioned, we're obviously staying very focused on where there's levers to offset, where we think it's prudent to continue to make investments in the future. I think we're finding, you know, doing a good job of finding that balance to keep, you know, any sort of expense increase in check. I think we'll certainly be able to continue to do that, you know, despite looking to be aggressive on hiring in areas where Jeff mentioned makes sense. In terms of the technology spend, yeah, we're really upgrading our core provider. Primarily, it, you know, a lot of the functionality will drive further efficiency here internally.

There's a much better user interface for the internal folks. You know, much better kind of risk and governance system settings, et cetera. You know, there's a little bit of a one-time spend as we're working with some consultants to help us kind of think about how best to not only put that technology in place, but to use that to really think about our processes as well, and make sure we have the right efficient process that'll take advantage of the technology upgrade. You know, there's some commitment from an expense standpoint in that sense, but the technology spend is, I believe, all in about a million and a half dollars. That'll be a bit over time. Again, it won't create a big impact, I think, in any sort of quarter or run rate to the expenses in total.

Chris O'Connell (Director)

Okay, got it. I know that, you know, after the big slug of repurchases in the first quarter, you know, you guys were looking to take, you know, a little bit of a pause, just given the overall, you know, economic environment that we've had since then. Obviously, I mean, capital levels are really strong all around TCE is now at 10%, and, you know, the guidance does implies, you know, pretty minimal balance sheet growth here for the next couple of quarters. Have you guys, you know, thought about, you know, whether there'll be additional repurchases at some point in the back half of the year, or into 2024? I, and I guess, you know, if not, you know, what would trigger that decision?

Mark Ruggiero (EVP and CFO)

Yeah, I think your question hit on a lot of the things that we're constantly talking about and considering in that decision, Chris. You know, certainly absolute levels of capital remain very strong, and we certainly think there's opportunity to look to deploy capital in that sense and right-size capital a bit. We will obviously and continue to be very cautious around just ensuring the stability of the franchise as a whole. A couple of things that are certainly pointing in the right direction. We talked about the deposit stabilization in the second quarter. I think that's a really strong indication of things getting back to normal heading into the second half.

Then certainly from a credit standpoint, you know, we're monitoring some of these individual credits that we've been highlighting in the materials, but, you know, all in all, we still feel very good about credit. I think a lot of the things we've been weighing and thinking about in terms of that decision, are becoming more clear. I'd like to think there's a stronger opportunity for buyback here in the second half. We haven't made a final decision on that yet, but I do think it's certainly reasonable for us to get to a point where we think that makes sense and we'd be comfortable with it.

Chris O'Connell (Director)

Okay, got it. Just last one for me. You know, outside of the office portfolio here, you know, I mean, obviously, you kind of talked about general CRE, but, I mean, is there any other pockets of stress that you're seeing, you know, either within your portfolio, in your markets or, you know, areas where competitors are being, you know, aggressive on either, you know, pricing or structure, where, you know, you might just be kind of pulling back on or, you know, having additional caution on, you know, at this point in the cycle?

Jeff Tengel (CEO)

Well, in the first part of your question, we're not really seeing any particular stress in any other parts of the portfolio or feel like we're, you know, we're seeing signs that are giving us pause or that we're pulling back per se. We feel again, really good about the historical underwriting our company has done, which kind of leads into the second question, which is, we've always been very disciplined around, both, you know, the pricing of our loans and the credit quality of our loans, and that hasn't changed. We typically aren't going to chase stuff, you know, as the market heats up. I think to some extent, is certainly in some sectors, it feels like it's coming back to us in term.

You know, other competitors are starting to get more conservative, and they're moving to a place where we've always been. We feel pretty good about, you know, the messaging that we have out in the market and our ability to compete. We historically haven't competed on rate and structure, and we're not about to. I think, again, that just speaks to the historical credit quality and operating performance of our company and the type of customer that we've had over the years.

Chris O'Connell (Director)

Yep, okay. That's, appreciate the color there. That's all I have for now. Thank you.

Mark Ruggiero (EVP and CFO)

Thank you.

Operator (participant)

Our next question will be a follow-up from Mark Fitzgibbon with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director)

Hey, guys. Just to clarify one of the responses to Chris's questions. Did I hear correctly, Mark, you said the reserve on the office book is consistent with the rest of the portfolio, I think the office book is $1.1 billion, so roughly 1% reserve on total loans. You have about $11 million of reserves against the office book. Is that correct?

Mark Ruggiero (EVP and CFO)

Yeah, I don't have the exact number, but we don't have necessarily a meaningfully noted elevated reserve against it. You know, we have qualitative factors that kind of look at commercial real estate as a whole. You know, we've certainly ticked up a bit there because of the office exposure. Just keep in mind, we have the specific reserve on the one that is in non-performing. We have a general, call it one, maybe slightly higher than that, allocation over and above that specific reserve as well.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director)

Gotcha. Thank you very much.

Operator (participant)

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Jeff Tengel for any closing remarks.

Jeff Tengel (CEO)

Thank you. We are fully cognizant that there's no shortage of uncertainty regarding the current macro environment and its impact on near-term earnings. In that context, I would close by underscoring that we are well situated to absorb its challenges while positioning ourselves to take advantage of opportunities when the environment shifts. That confidence emanates from our excess capital position, combined with strong internal capital generation, scalability of our franchise, stable core deposit base, attractiveness of our brand and community banking model, a track record as a proven operator and acquirer, and a conservative balance sheet providing downside protection. Thank you for your continued interest in Independent Bank.