Inventrust Properties - Earnings Call - Q1 2025

Executive Summary

• Q1 2025 delivered resilient operations: Same Property NOI grew 6.1% YoY to $47.3M, NAREIT FFO per diluted share rose to $0.48, and Core FFO per diluted share reached $0.46, supported by strong Sun Belt demand and record small shop performance.
• Revenue modestly beat S&P Global consensus by ~$0.27M, while S&P “Primary EPS” was modestly below consensus; the company reported GAAP diluted EPS of $0.09, reflecting definitional differences between reported EPS and S&P “Primary EPS” tracking, and a larger share count after the 2024 equity raise. Values retrieved from S&P Global.*
• 2025 guidance reaffirmed (SP NOI growth 3.5–4.5%, NAREIT FFO $1.83–$1.89, Core FFO $1.79–$1.83), with a 75–100 bps bad debt assumption, signaling caution for the back half despite a solid start and zero net bad debt in Q1.
• Capital allocation remains a key catalyst: management reiterated plans to exit California and reinvest in higher-growth Sun Belt assets; post-quarter, IVT acquired Plaza Escondida (Trader Joe’s-anchored) and Carmel Village, and later announced a $306M California portfolio sale with proceeds earmarked for Sun Belt reinvestment.
• Dividend increased 5% for 2025 (annualized ~$0.95), supported by low leverage (Net Debt/Adj. EBITDA 4.1x), fixed-rate debt, and strong leasing momentum—potential near-term support for investor confidence.

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

What Went Well

• FFO momentum and NOI growth: NAREIT FFO/share up to $0.48 and Core FFO/share to $0.46; SP NOI up 6.1% YoY—driven by ~400 bps base rent growth and ~160 bps net expense reimbursement, with zero net bad debt in Q1.
• Record small shop performance and leasing spreads: Small shop leased occupancy at 93.4% (record), blended re-leasing spreads 9.6% (new ~20.3% for new and 8.7% renewals), 90% retention, and 3%+ escalators embedded in 90% of renewals.
• Strategic capital deployment narrative: Management reiterated confidence in capital recycling (exit California, redeploy to Southeast and other Sun Belt markets), citing a $1.5–$2B pipeline and low leverage that enables opportunistic growth in uncertainty. “Our approach continues to provide resilient performance… we remain committed to operational excellence and pursuing disciplined acquisitions that drive long-term cash flow”.

What Went Wrong

• Consensus “Primary EPS” miss versus S&P Global: S&P Primary EPS actual was below consensus despite reported GAAP diluted EPS of $0.09; the discrepancy likely reflects differences in definitions/normalization tracked by S&P versus GAAP reporting, and dilution from the 2024 equity issuance. Values retrieved from S&P Global.*
• Guidance implies deceleration: Reaffirmed SP NOI growth (3.5–4.5%) suggests slower growth after a strong Q1, with bad debt reserved at 75–100 bps for the year and lower percentage rent/expense reimbursement expected beyond Q1.
• Macro caution and tariffs: Management noted pending tariffs and broader uncertainty may pressure tenants/consumers later in 2025; while demand and pipeline remain healthy, the team is “cautiously optimistic” and flagged a softer back half risk related to bad debt.

Transcript

Operator (participant)

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to InvenTrust's first quarter 2025 [audio distortion] conference call. My name is Elliott, and I'll be your conference call operator today. Before we begin, I would like to remind our listeners that today's presentation is being recorded, and a replay will be available on the investors section of the company's website at inventrustproperties.com.

If you would like to register a question during today's event, please press star one on your telephone keypad. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Dan Lombardo, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Dan Lombardo (VP of Investor Relations)

Thank you, Operator. Good morning, everyone. Joining me from the InvenTrust team is D.J. Busch, President and Chief Executive Officer; Mike Phillips, Chief Financial Officer; Christy David, Chief Operating Officer; and Dave Heimberger, Chief Investment Officer.

Following the team's prepared remarks, the lines will be open for your questions. As a reminder, some of today's comments may contain forward-looking statements about the company's views on the future of our business and financial performance, including forward-looking earnings guidance and future market conditions. These are based on management's current beliefs and expectations and are subject to various risks and uncertainties.

Any forward-looking statements speak only as of today's date, and we assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements made on today's call or that are in the quarterly financial supplemental or press release. In addition, we will also reference certain non-GAAP financial measures. The comparable GAAP financial measures are included in this quarter's earnings materials, which are posted on our investor relations website. With that, I will turn the call over to D.J.

D.J. Busch (President and CEO)

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. I'll start today's call with some brief commentary regarding our initial performance, the overall operating environment, and how InvenTrust is positioned to grow cash flow in 2025 and beyond. Mike will discuss our financial results in greater detail, and Christy will conclude with additional color on the leasing and operational fronts.

We're pleased to report a strong start to 2025, driven by our strategic concentration of necessity-based open-air retail centers in Sunbelt markets. Our approach continues to provide resilient performance despite broader economic challenges. Same-property NOI grew 6.1% for the first quarter, reflecting robust demand and effective lease management. Core FFO per diluted share grew 4.5% compared to the same period last year. Our portfolio remains highly leased, with small shop lease occupancy achieving another record high.

Our simple and focused strategy continues to deliver. The Sunbelt region, where 97% of our net operating income is generated, continues to dominate among the list of top-performing retail markets. Extraordinary population and employment growth, business and tax-friendly policies, and favorable climate and quality of life are just some of the factors that have allowed Sunbelt retail fundamentals to remain on an impressive pace. This, coupled with the absence of competing new supply, is why we remain cautiously optimistic in an uncertain economic environment.

Although pending tariffs have dominated the headlines in 2025, it is still much too early to assess what the impact both direct and indirect will be on our consumers and, in turn, our tenants. Our focus on essential retail, including quick-service restaurants and health and wellness providers, positions us well to navigate these challenges. These businesses typically exhibit resilience during economic fluctuations, contributing to our portfolio's stability.

Importantly, our tenant health is still quite positive in the post-COVID era. Sales and profitability have been strong nearly across the board, and even with InvenTrust capturing solid rent growth over the same time period, occupancy cost ratios remain quite resilient. As we have done in the past, we will support our tenants as needed as they navigate these current challenges.

Moving to our capital allocation plan for the year, we remain extremely active on the transaction front. As we have discussed previously, we continue to evaluate asset sales and capital recycling as part of our ongoing portfolio optimization strategy, more specifically our planned exit from California. Our expectation is that we will fully or significantly reduce our investment in California in 2025, depending on timing.

Equally important, following the quarter, we have acquired two assets: Plaza Escondida and Carmel Village. Plaza Escondida, a 91,000 sq ft neighborhood center in Tucson, Arizona, is 99% occupied and anchored by Trader Joe's and Marshalls. Carmel Village, located in the heart of South Charlotte, boasts a strong tenant mix of restaurants and service providers. These acquisitions further expand our presence in Arizona and in the Charlotte market.

We are also currently in several negotiations to accretively redeploy pending sales proceeds into high-quality centers in markets such as Asheville, Charlotte, Charleston, San Antonio, and Orlando, to name a few. Our pipeline currently stands at $1.5 billion-$2 billion, encompassing both marketed and off-market opportunities.

While we prioritize grocery-anchored centers, we remain format agnostic. Our focus is on properties that will enhance our portfolio with high-quality and necessity-based tenants in high-growth Sunbelt markets, producing better risk-adjusted returns than the sector average. Our capital recycling endeavors are fully contemplated in our net investment activity guidance for the year.

Lastly, on the balance sheet front, InvenTrust remains one of, if not the lowest-leveraged strip center REITs in the public market. This allows us to be opportunistic during times of uncertainty and continue to appropriately and prudently grow our platform without relying on the capital markets.

Obviously, it's been a turbulent beginning of the year in the equity markets. That said, the operational platform at IVT remains sound. Internal growth opportunities are available, and with our low leverage and capital recycling efforts, there is much to be excited about on the external front as well. These factors give us confidence that we continue to deliver sustainable cash flow growth for our shareholders on a consistent and recurring basis. With that, I'm going to turn it over to Mike to discuss our financial results.

Mike Phillips (CFO)

Thanks, D.J. InvenTrust is off to a solid start in 2025, as demonstrated by our first quarter results. Same-property NOI for Q1 reached $47.3 million, representing 6.1% growth compared to Q1 of 2024. The year-over-year increase was primarily driven by approximately 400 basis points of growth in base rent, supported by embedded rent bumps, accounting for 150 basis points. Net expense reimbursements contributed approximately 160 basis points.

Nareit FFO for the quarter totaled $37.2 million, or $0.48 per diluted share, representing an increase of 6.7% compared to the same time period last year. Core FFO rose 4.5% year-over-year to $0.46 per share. This increase was fueled by internal growth and acquisitions, partially offset by a larger share count from our equity offering in September of last year.

From a balance sheet perspective, we continue to operate from a position of strength, providing the flexibility and capital to pursue our strategic initiatives. As of quarter end, our net leverage ratio was 23.4%, and net debt-to-adjusted EBITDA stood at 4.1x on a trailing 12-month basis.

Our weighted average interest rate was 4%, with a weighted average debt maturity of 3.1 years, and our entire debt portfolio remains 100% fixed. Finally, we declared an annualized dividend payment of $0.95 per share, a 5% increase over last year.

Turning to guidance, we are reaffirming our full year same-property NOI growth guidance range of 3.5%-4.5%, as well as maintaining our bad debt reserve at 75-100 basis points of total revenue. This reserve reflects both recent tenant bankruptcies and an estimate for potential fallout that may occur for the remainder of the year. While we experienced no bad debt impact during the first quarter, we do anticipate some effect on same-property NOI later in the year as the announced bankruptcies take effect.

For Nareit FFO, our full year guidance remains in the range of $1.83-$1.89 per share, which represents a 4.5% growth at the midpoint versus 2024. Core FFO guidance is $1.79-$1.83 per share, up 4.6% at the midpoint from last year.

Our net acquisition assumptions, as D.J. mentioned, remains at $100 million for the year, reflecting the potential acquisition and disposition activity for 2025. Further details on our guidance assumptions are available in our supplemental disclosure filed yesterday. With that, I'll turn the call over to Christy to discuss our portfolio activity. Christy?

Christy David (COO)

Thanks, Mike. During the quarter, we executed 256,000 sq ft of both new leases and renewals. We've completed 100% of our 2025 leasing and already secured roughly 80% of 2026, giving us clear visibility into near-term cash flows.

Our portfolio leased occupancy ended the quarter at 97.3%, a 100 basis point increase over last year. Anchor space leased occupancy ended the quarter at 99.5%. Small shop leased occupancy finished the quarter at 93.4%, 130 basis points over last year and a new all-time high for our portfolio. InvenTrust total portfolio ABR ended the first quarter at $20.21 per sq ft, reflecting an increase of 3.1% compared to Q1 2024.

For the quarter, we delivered blended comparable leasing spreads of 9.6%, with new lease spreads of 20.3% and renewals at 8.7%. Our retention rate stands at 90% for the quarter. Additionally, we have successfully embedded rent escalators of 3% or higher in 90% of our renewals, supporting long-term NOI growth.

As for tenant health, our exposure to recent retail bankruptcies has been minimal, limited to one Jo-Ann location with the lease was recently assumed, causing no revenue disruption to the center, and three Party City stores representing approximately 20 basis points of our bad debt reserve.

We continue to monitor sectors under pressure and the effects new economic policies may have on our tenants and the consumers. However, solid interest from high-performing concepts remains, and we remain confident in our ability to backfill spaces that may become available. With that, I'll turn the call back to the operator for questions.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star followed by two. When preparing to ask your question, please ensure your device is unmuted locally. First question comes from Dori Kesten with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Dori Kesten (Senior Lodging and Retail REIT Analyst)

Thanks. Good morning. With just over 6% same-store NOI growth in Q1, I'm just trying to figure out how are you getting to the 3.5%-4.5% for the year. Is there a particular quarter that stands out as being a little bit softer, or should Q2 through Q4 look rather comparable?

Mike Phillips (CFO)

Yeah. Hey, Dori, it's Mike. I can take that. Yeah, obviously, off to a good start in the first quarter, and there is some deceleration implied in our guidance, and really it comes from a few main areas. The first one is bad debt. For Q1, we really had zero net bad debt for the quarter. We do still maintain our guidance of 75-100 basis points for the full year. That's the main chunk of it quarter-to-quarter.

There are a few other things that were kind of unique to Q1 that happen most years. We had higher percentage rent from our grocers in Q1. Our expenses were a little lower in Q1 than they will be throughout the year. You'll kind of see that net expense reimbursement go down a little bit throughout the year too. Those are kind of the three main categories for the deceleration.

D.J. Busch (President and CEO)

Yeah. I think, good morning, Dori. The only thing that I would add, obviously, I think everyone got a little bit more cautious April 2nd and beyond. The first quarter finished extremely solid. I think, had it not been for some of those things, I think some of our peers had mentioned similar things. We probably feel a little bit more optimistic finishing the year.

The reality is we feel really good about where, our lease activity, it's effectively done for 2025, as Christy mentioned, and almost effectively done for 2026. Really, the only unknown in the business is on the bad debt side. While we feel like we're in a great spot, there's no big known distressed retailers, certainly within our portfolio. I think that's broadly speaking as well. We're trying to be a little bit more cautious as it relates to what could happen in the back half of this year.

Dori Kesten (Senior Lodging and Retail REIT Analyst)

Okay. With anchor occupancy almost at 100% and only six leases expiring this year with relatively low rents, it feels like your team would really be in the driver's seat on negotiating terms when selling those spaces. Can you give us a sense of where you think maybe those aggregate leasing spreads could be?

D.J. Busch (President and CEO)

You know, it's a good question. I think with the anchors, it's more or less it's on a case-by-case basis. We felt really good about the net effective spread that we've been able to accomplish over the last couple of years. We'll take a lower spread. The reality is we will take a little bit lower spread if there's a tenant. Certainly, there's core tenants or key tenants, I should say, that could really change the merchandise mix in a hugely positive way. We've done some of those deals as well.

I know Christy mentioned it. Many of the opportunities that we thought we were going to get back over the last 18-24 months, we haven't been able to because they've been assigned or bought out through auction. We do have a couple of opportunities over the next, call it 12-24 months, but many of those are options as well. There is quite a bit of roll in 2026 and 2027, but we feel really good about the opportunities set when we do get to negotiate because, like you mentioned, we have effectively one vacant box throughout the portfolio.

Dori Kesten (Senior Lodging and Retail REIT Analyst)

Right. Okay. Thank you.

Operator (participant)

We now turn to Andrew Reale with Bank of America. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Andrew Reale (Equity Research Analyst)

Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. For California assets that you're currently marketing, what has the reception and level of appetite been? And any color on potential pricing would be helpful too.

D.J. Busch (President and CEO)

Yeah, Andrew, good morning. It's a good question. What I didn't fully say in my prepared remarks is that all of our assets are in some form of they've been awarded, so they're going through the process, whether it be due diligence or finalizing contracts. Obviously, a really, really good outcome in a rather quick time period for a sale of that size and of that magnitude.

It really is because of the reception or response, both from all different pockets of capital, whether it be private equity, private, public. There were folks that took a look at it. Some were more interested than others. We feel really, really good about where potential pricing will fall out and our ability to redeploy those in the back half of this year.

I want to be a little bit careful and sensitive on cap rates and the like, but as we've mentioned, we fully expect to have great opportunities in the markets that I highlighted in my prepared remarks and do it on an accretive basis with some really, really high-quality centers in the Southeast.

Andrew Reale (Equity Research Analyst)

Okay. Thanks. Maybe just on leasing and maybe just thinking about shop tenants in particular, I know it's kind of early amid this macro uncertainty, but has anything been changing in your leasing conversations or what you're seeing from tenants and their behavior that's materialized kind of post April 2nd, as you mentioned?

Christy David (COO)

I'll take that. This is Christy. At this point in time, and as you said and D.J. said in his prepared remarks, it is very early, but our leasing demand has not changed, and our pipeline remains unchanged. It's very healthy. The conversations that we are having with tenants that we are negotiating with or existing tenants, for that matter, have not really changed at this point in time. I think as long as we continue to see the supply dynamics the way they are currently with the lack of new supply and given our high-quality real estate, we think that our leasing momentum should continue into the future.

D.J. Busch (President and CEO)

Yeah. I think the only thing that I would say, and I think some other folks have said it this earnings season, is the retailers that we are more or less dealing with aren't making decisions for the next 12 months. They're building businesses that should be able to survive and do well through multiple parts of the cycle. I mean, we're doing five- and 10-year leases. Something will happen, good or bad, over the next five or 10 years, and their business need to be built to withstand that.

I think rent negotiations are a small part of what they're kind of thinking about, certainly with the large national tenants. Because of that and because the fact, you can't really go on the sidelines and miss opportunities with your open-to-buys, expecting that there's going to be better opportunities in 18 months because it may not be there because of the demand-and-supply dynamic.

Andrew Reale (Equity Research Analyst)

Okay. Makes sense. Thank you.

Operator (participant)

We now turn to Floris van Dijkum with Compass Point. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Floris van Dijkum (Analyst)

Hey. Thanks, guys. D.J., I'd love to get your comments on the transaction markets and if you're seeing any changes, if you've had any of the bidders for your California assets potentially change tack or change pricing expectations. Also, just if you could just confirm that the capital recycling, which is presumably selling lower-cap-rate California assets or reinvesting into higher-yielding [audio distortion] all that, that is not contemplated in your existing guidance. Is that correct?

D.J. Busch (President and CEO)

No, it is. It's all about timing, Floris. Let me take a step back. The transaction market, as we see it, is still very healthy. Certainly, where we've been deploying capital for the last several years, there's no doubt about it. It's competitive. It ebbs and flows.

I think what we look for is the first thing that happens is the buyer pulls things out. That's good for us, and that's good for other large institutional buyers that buy through different parts of the cycle. If there's less competition, whether it be on an off-marketed or fully brokered deal, I think we like that environment, especially given where our capital is being recycled from and the fact that we're at less than 4x on a forward basis.

For a company like InvenTrust, at our size, we've kind of built our strategy around times of uncertainty to where we can lean in and perhaps get some growth faster than what we otherwise thought because of our leverage and our opportunity set as it relates to California and redeploying those proceeds.

Just to add a little bit more color, as it stands today, and I think this is the second part of your question, Floris, the $100 million net investment activity fully contemplates California asset sales and replacing that by the end of the year. Now, obviously, how those come in remains to be seen.

I think if you think about where our NOI is trending and where our core FFO is, obviously, the timing will impact that as well. We feel confident based on where the pipeline is today. I think we have about half on the acquisition side awarded and spoken for as it relates to what we're trying to accomplish for the year. Obviously, there's a lot to be still done there, but we feel really good about the pace of it thus far.

Floris van Dijkum (Analyst)

Thanks, D.J. Maybe if you could just dive into, you mentioned a couple of the markets that you're looking at. Are they all going to be or these are deals you're looking at. You mentioned, I think, Charlotte, Charleston. I can't remember the other markets off the top of my head. Will you be looking to expand in all of those, or is it just that is a portion of where you will be looking to deploy capital?

D.J. Busch (President and CEO)

It's a portion. Those are the ones where we've seen opportunities recently, Floris. Obviously, we just closed a nice little deal on the south side of Charlotte. We're still looking at other opportunities in Charlotte. Charlotte is a great market. I think one of the things that we can do is, because we have five assets in the Charlotte market, hopefully, to add maybe a couple more.

Then places like Asheville get more interesting. It's an ancillary, very complementary market, some very high-quality assets. Obviously, Asheville has gone through some turmoil, certainly, tragedy through the hurricane, but that market will rebuild, and it's been a very strong growing market for some time, and we can service that exceptionally well out of our Charlotte platform. We're looking for other opportunities like that. Think about Charleston. We have a foothold there now. We're hoping to add a little bit. We're looking a little bit south, in the Savannah market.

Once we get into those smaller markets, it's important, though, that the threshold of quality has to go up. It's no longer acceptable to have the fifth best market. That's fine in Charlotte because there's so many nice little pockets and sub-markets. The smaller the market gets, the higher the quality because we want to make sure that the demand is appropriate to fit within the portfolio so we can continue to grow.

Floris van Dijkum (Analyst)

Thank you, D.J. Appreciate it.

Operator (participant)

As another reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad now. We now turn to Michael Gorman with BTIG. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Michael Gorman (REIT Analyst)

Yeah. Thanks. Good morning. D.J., maybe just sticking with that last answer for a second. Given some of the markets that you're looking at where the quality threshold goes up a little bit, is there any risk, given the turbulence in the markets, that some of the capital recycling on putting the money to work could slip either later into the year or into next year? Would that create any situation with a special dividend, or is that not a risk?

D.J. Busch (President and CEO)

It's a great question. Obviously, when you're moving 10% in and out of the portfolio, 1031 is an important piece of that because of the potential gains. We've spent a ton of time making sure that we're mitigating that risk because it's absolutely something that we want to avoid if possible. Because of the pipeline as it sits today, I think we're in a great spot to make sure we're covered and executing on not only the portfolio strategy but the tax strategy that comes with it.

We expected, Mike, when we came out with our initial guidance this year, that most of the acquisition activity was going to be backloaded, call it certainly second and third quarter, maybe leaking into the fourth, but we still feel very confident in our guidance rates because, at the end of the day, it's just important for us to continue to move core FFO higher.

If we can do something this substantial on the capital recycling side while doing that and upgrading the portfolio for 2026 and beyond from a growth perspective, I think that's what we're trying to accomplish this year. We feel really good where we stand today.

Michael Gorman (REIT Analyst)

Great. That's helpful. Maybe if you could just spend an extra minute on Carmel Village. Obviously, Charlotte's a great market. It's a little bit of a different asset, it looks like. Maybe you can just kind of walk us through how you thought about adding it to the portfolio, its positioning in the market, and maybe any future opportunities at the site.

D.J. Busch (President and CEO)

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I'll just start high level, and then maybe Christy can talk a little bit about the leasing opportunities. I think that's one of the things that was attractive about it. I think, as I mentioned, most of our portfolio certainly caters to or is grocery-anchored centers. I think 60%, 65% is a true neighborhood or community center.

We do have a portion that's a little bit bigger in nature, power centers. Most of those do have a grocery component as well. We're looking to add grocers at the ones that aren't anchored by a grocery. We've had success, and we feel good about where that's going in the future as well. We think, unanchored centers, if they have a reasonable amount of scale, they fit the market nicely. We're already in the market, or we're looking to expand in the market. Those are all interesting to us.

Obviously, Carmel Village is an incredible part of the Charlotte market down in Carmel, high income and great population growth. It serves that smaller community really well. It's got good restaurants, services, some of those that we're going to be able to upgrade. Will you see us do 10 deals like Carmel Village in a row? Probably not, but it's a nice addition, and we're looking at similar opportunities like that in some of our other markets.

Christy David (COO)

I mean, as D.J. mentioned, I'll just add the tenancy there is actually basically all necessity-based, so it fits what we're trying to do at our portfolio. As we reviewed that asset for acquisition potential, we really saw that there was an ability to upgrade some of the merchants there, add additional service tenants to that neighborhood, and raise rents. That was key for us.

I mean, given the lack of an anchor, that means it's all small shop, where you have greater ability to turn those tenants and also drive the rents. I'd just note there's a fantastic new Publix that opened across the street from it that does not have any small shop. You could also look at this as if it feeds off of all of the foot traffic that the brand-new Publix is going to drive in that area. We were really excited by the opportunity and think it'll be very additive to our Charlotte portfolio.

Michael Gorman (REIT Analyst)

Thanks. That's really helpful color, actually. Maybe just one last one, Christy. Obviously, it's still very early, but just as you think about the last 30 days and having conversations with tenants in the portfolio, have you noticed a difference in the tenor or a difference in the kind of questions and conversations you're having between sort of the larger tenants in the portfolio, those north of 10,000 sq ft, and maybe some of the smaller local either service providers or retailers that you have in the portfolio? Any bifurcation in those conversations?

Christy David (COO)

Not yet. I mean, you'd think that given the 30 days in the news and the fact that that was the headlines of the economic uncertainty and how the population as a whole is reacting, you might see more of it. Our property management teams and our leasing teams regularly communicate in all times, good and uncertainty, with our tenants. To date, the people or the tenants that are showing concern are the ones that we've had our eye on along.

There hasn't been a new crop, and the conversation hasn't changed. I feel good that we're close to the ones where we think there could be some failures or closures, and we have already looked at backup opportunities for those. Again, it's early, but I'm hopeful that we're going to get through this and that our tenants will still do really well.

D.J. Busch (President and CEO)

Yeah. Mike, the only thing that I would add is, in full candidness, if we were going through this situation 18 months ago, I think it was, when we were working on five Bed Bath & Beyond deals at the same time with new tenants, I think we'd probably be a little bit more nervous only because when you're in active negotiations, that's when there can be a little bit more first training, if you will, as it relates to kind of both economic and non-economic incentives you may be getting or you may be giving up.

We're sitting at where our anchors are fully leased. We're holding one off at a redevelopment opportunity, and we have everything else is executed. It is a great time to be fully leased on the anchor side, and then it is a great time to have your high watermark on the small shop side because we are not having to have a tremendous amount of those conversations right now in a time where there is probably some uncertainty on the retailer side.

Michael Gorman (REIT Analyst)

Great. Thanks. Really appreciate all the context.

Operator (participant)

We have no further questions. I'll now hand back to D.J. Busch for any final remarks.

D.J. Busch (President and CEO)

Thank you, everyone, for taking the time and joining us this morning. We look forward to seeing many of you in what is going to be a pretty busy spring conference season. Until then, hope all is well, and see you soon.

Operator (participant)

Ladies and gentlemen, today's call has now concluded. We'd like to thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.