Kinetik - Q2 2023

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Operator (participant)

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Kinetik Second Quarter 2023 Results. My name is Chach, and I'll be coordinating your call today. During the presentation, you can register to ask your question by pressing star one on your telephone keypad, and if you change your mind, please press star followed by two to remove your question. I'd now like to hand you over to Maddie Wagner to begin. Maddie, please go ahead.

Maddie Wagner (Director of Investor Relations)

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to Kinetik's second quarter 2023 earnings conference call. Here with me is our President and Chief Executive Officer, Jamie Welch, as well as Matt Wall, our Chief Operating Officer, Steve Stellato, our Chief Accounting and Administrative Officer, Anne Psencik, our Chief Strategy Officer, Trevor Howard, our VP of Finance, and Chris Kendrick and Tyler Milam, our VPs of Commercial. The press release we issued yesterday, the slide presentation, and access to the webcast for today's call are available at www.kinetik.com. Before we begin, I would like to remind all listeners that our remarks, including the question and answer section, will provide forward-looking statements, and actual results could differ from what is described in these statements. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve a number of risks and assumptions.

We may also provide certain performance measures that do not conform to U.S. GAAP. We've provided schedules that reconcile these non-GAAP measures as part of our earnings press release. After our prepared remarks, we will open the call to Q&A. With that, I will turn the call over to Jamie.

Jamie Welch (President and CEO)

Thank you, Maddie. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our call today. Yesterday, we reported our second quarter 2023 results in line with our internal budget and slightly better than consensus estimates. The results further build off the momentum of our first quarter. Following record processed gas volumes in April, we continued to experience volume strength during the quarter, processing an average of 1.48 billion cu ft per day and setting a new company record for quarterly processed gas volumes. This represents approximately 10% growth quarter-over-quarter and is attributed to the elevated development activity that typically occurs throughout the second and third quarters, combined with encouraging producer well results. During May and June, our processed gas volumes were impacted by record high temperatures experienced in West Texas.

The extreme heat affected producers, utilities, and service providers alike as they worked tirelessly to maintain their mechanical equipment run times and overall production. In fact, this past June in West Texas was the hottest in over 10 years, with temperatures consistently exceeding 100 degrees for half the month. Our operations team has gone above and beyond battling the summer heat while endeavoring to ensure smooth and reliable service for our customers. Therefore, despite the weather-related challenges, we still had a record quarter, thanks to our operations team. We remain on track to meet or exceed our 2023 exit rate guidance of 1.6 billion cu ft per day. This is predicated on our constantly growing customer base, step ups in contractual volume commitments occurring this summer, and the commencement of new contracts later this year.

As we enter the second half of 2023, adjusted EBITDA continues to trend towards the high end of our guidance range of $800 million-$860 million. We forecast sustained growth quarter-over-quarter, primarily driven by Midstream Logistics volume growth and the commercial in-service of Delaware Link and the PHP expansion in the fourth quarter. By year-end, our annualized adjusted EBITDA should be well over $900 million. Our operations team has continued to lead by example, and as a result, our unit operating expenses are expected to decline throughout the remainder of the year and come in below budget. Additionally, current commodity pricing forecasts indicate an improved outlook in the second half of the year as compared to the first.

Our 2023 capital expenditures are expected to be at the top end of our guidance range, largely driven by incremental capital spend on PHP. It is worth noting our Midstream Logistics and Delaware Link capital spend is tracking at the low end of our guidance. Our 2024 free cash flow outlook remains robust as we anticipate significant adjusted EBITDA growth year-over-year, coupled with capital expenditures below $150 million. Moving to our growth projects, Delaware Link is ahead of schedule. Construction is progressing well, and we are now targeting mechanical completion in September and commercial in-service on October 1st. Once in service, Delaware Link will directly connect three of our processing facilities to Waha, providing enhanced system reliability and flow assurance to our customers.

Progress continues on the PHP expansion. The project remains on track for an expected in-service of December 2023. Our New Mexico gathering system expansion into Lea County is on schedule and is expected to be mechanically complete in January, with a gathering and processing agreement now underpinning that project commencing at the beginning of April. During the second quarter, we executed a gas gathering and processing agreement with a new customer in Lea County, supported by a multi-year minimum volume commitment. The contract is expected to commence following the in-service of the pipeline in early 2024. We continue to have constructive commercial discussions with several New Mexico producers, both existing relationships and several new to Kinetik. We're excited about the opportunities to grow our business in the Northern Delaware.

Following the in-service of Delaware Link, the PHP expansion, and the New Mexico gathering expansion, we will be able to provide a highly competitive, integrated wellhead to Gulf Coast solution to New Mexico producers for residue gas and natural gas liquids. Moving to the Texas side of the Delaware Basin, we identified a handful of commercial opportunities, particularly with private producers. In the second quarter, we executed several gas gathering and processing agreements with new customers that have plans to bring on incremental production later this year and additional development next year. Our commercial team has done a terrific job building partnerships with new customers and meanwhile growing our existing relationships. We have grown our customer base by over 25% following our merger last year, and today our Midstream Logistics customer count stands at over 35.

We also want to congratulate Chevron on the closing of its PDC acquisition and look forward to working more closely with them as a major customer within our Midstream Logistics Segment. Finally, we released our 2022 sustainability report last week. Our company has made meaningful progress advancing our sustainability initiatives over the past year. I highly encourage you to take a look at the report if you've not yet done so. I'm proud of the progress that we made in 2022 and look forward to our continued improvement and achievements. With that, I'd like to now hand the call over to Trevor Howard, our VP of Finance.

Trevor Howard (VP of Finance)

Thanks, Jamie. We reported adjusted EBITDA of $208 million in the second quarter of 2023. Looking at our segment results, our Midstream Logistics Segment generated an adjusted EBITDA of $138 million in the quarter, up 15% quarter-over-quarter. This was largely attributed to strong processed gas volume growth in the quarter. Regarding the segment's fee-based revenue growth, the second quarter of 2023 was up 10% versus the second quarter of 2022. As Jamie mentioned earlier, operations and the rest of the Kinetik team have done a tremendous job managing costs despite difficult operating conditions and inflationary pressures. The second quarter Midstream Logistics OpEx came in 3% below budget, and we expect these lower realized costs to carry through in the third and fourth quarters.

By the end of 2023, we anticipate unit costs per Mcf to decrease by approximately $0.02 from the second quarter as OpEx is effectively flat and volumes continue to increase. Together, we estimate unit cost decrease 8% year-over-year. Shifting to our Pipeline Transportation Segment, we generated an adjusted EBITDA of $75 million, up approximately 6% year-over-year. Growth within the segment was driven by volumes and margin expansion at the Shin Oak and EPIC crude pipelines. We remain highly focused on de-risking our future earnings potential and our balance sheet. During the second quarter, we reduced our remaining 2023 commodity-linked gross profit to 5%, and we will continue to opportunistically hedge our remaining 2023 exposure. We have also shifted our focus to de-risking 2024 and beyond.

To date, we have hedged over 20% of our 2024 commodity-linked gross profit exposure, much of which took place in July as the market rallied and we were selling into strength. It is worth noting that in 2024, we expect Kinetik's commodity-linked gross profit as a percent of total gross profit to decrease by approximately 10% to 9%, as our new growth projects, which primarily carry, carry minimum volume commitments, are placed into service later this year and early next. On floating interest rates, we have approximately 90% of our total debt capital either fixed or swapped at fixed rates to at least June of 2025. While we continue to opportunistically de-risk our balance sheet, we are currently comfortable with our fixed-to-floating rate mix. Next, from a capital investment standpoint, total capital expenditures for the quarter were $195 million.

$65 million was within our Midstream Logistics Segment, and $130 million was at the Pipeline Transportation Segment. We have seen tremendous capital cost control in the Midstream Logistics Segment, which offsets some of the cost increases on our non-operated pipeline side. For the quarter, we generated an adjusted distributable cash flow of $144 million. Turning to the balance sheet, Kinetik exited the quarter with a 4.1x leverage ratio. On July 20th, we declared a $0.75 per share quarterly dividend to be paid on August 16th. During the quarter, we opportunistically repurchased approximately 112,000 shares for $3.3 million under the previously announced $100 million repurchase program.

... Year-to-date, we have repurchased approximately 194,000 shares for $5.8 million, leaving $94 million of remaining authorized capacity for share repurchase. The repurchased KNTK Class A shares partially offset share issuances under the second quarter DRIP in August. With that, I would like to open the lines for Q&A.

Operator (participant)

Thank you, Trevor. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad now. As a courtesy to others on the call, we ask that you limit your question to one question and one follow-up, and then return to the call queue if you have additional questions. Our first question comes from Spiro Dounis from Citi. Please go ahead.

Spiro Dounis (Director)

Thanks, Operator. Morning, everybody. First question, maybe just to start with, with growth and some of your available capacity going forward. Sounds like a lot of commercial momentum. I know in the past you've alluded to the potential to expand on the processing side. Sounds like that was further away. Just want to get an update on, on where that stands now, and when you think further downstream from there, do you have enough downstream capacity right now to facilitate all this commercial momentum?

Jamie Welch (President and CEO)

Spiro, good morning. Thank you for... look, as far as on the processing side, I still think as we look at our processing stack going forward, that a decision in the second half of 2024 is the prudent decision point for a new processing facility that would then put it in service, most likely towards at the end, the earliest, at the end of 2025. Obviously, depending upon supply chain, logistics, and everything else in the world at that point in time, or, you know, maybe at the latest, it would be the very beginning of 2026. We have, we have enough capacity as it relates to NGLs and the latitude and flexibility that we have, as well as obviously with, capacity on, with our capacity on PHP.

I think we feel pretty both comfortable and confident of what we see right now as far as on the customer side going forward. I think, you know, that's not going to change two things. It's not going to change how we think about CapEx for next year, because even within that $150 million, we've made the assumption that we'll have at least a deposit and probably one milestone payment for a box, and that would still keep us at or under the $150 million level. I think, you know, as far as the rate of pace of growth that we see, look, if it, if it continues to accelerate, we can obviously revisit. We'll obviously try to get everything possible, whatever out of our existing footprint.

As you know, yeah, we were successful expanding Diamond Cryo by 120. I think, you know, the guys will, Matt and his team will try to get everything possible out of Toyah, Pecos, Pecos Bend, that, that they're able to do, and still maintain high levels of recoveries and obviously tremendous customer service.

Spiro Dounis (Director)

Got it. Helpful color. Thanks, Jamie. Second one, maybe just going to, to GCX. Looks like you are still exploring the sale there, and I think a lot of us sort of expected, maybe a potential deal to close by now. I know since that, that last discussion, it sounds like KMI is now exploring an expansion of that pipeline, which was not originally in the plan, I suppose. Curious how much of that is sort of impacting the sales process now?

Jamie Welch (President and CEO)

It's a good, really good question, Spiro, as it relates to GCX. Yes, we're in the second round. We have a number of parties that are moving through the process. You're right, as evidenced by Kinder Morgan's discussion on their most recent conference call, where they resumed the topic of an expansion of GCX. I think in part, that comes with following the successful FID of Nextdecade LNG, and the, I think the absolute certain realization that you're going to have almost 12.5 BCF a day going to Agua Dulce, and you've only got, you know, 6 BCF a day or 6.5 BCF a day of capacity to get there. The incremental need is, I think, quite high. The likelihood this get gets done, I think, is also pretty high.

As an owner and as a responsible owner of GCX and a owner, and responsible to our shareholders, it's our job to try to get the highest price, including the value for the expansion, because we believe, much like Kinder Morgan, that it is highly likely to eventuate in the near term.

Spiro Dounis (Director)

Got it. Helpful color as always. Thanks for the time, everybody.

Jamie Welch (President and CEO)

Thanks.

Operator (participant)

The next question on the line is from Neel Mitra from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Neel Mitra (Senior Analyst)

Hi, thanks for taking my question. I wanted to touch on capital allocation going forward. I know the goal is to ultimately get to investment grade as, as well as turn off the DRIP. Just wanted to understand kind of the, the order of events here. It sounds like GCX is still very much on the table. There's likely going to be some sort of expansion, and, you know, that's probably holding up some things. After that, do we look to turn off the DRIP first, or do we look to keep the DRIP to get to investment grade, then turn off the DRIP? I'm just trying to understand which one is the, the priority first, getting to investment grade or turning off the equity issuances.

Jamie Welch (President and CEO)

Well, and, and Neil, that's a really good question, and it's, and it's something we discuss a lot internally. Obviously, the, the element, obviously, is GCX, maximizing the value, particularly with the likelihood of the expansion of that particular pipeline. We intend to reduce to at least the minimum level, if not terminate the DRIP for the remainder of its existing term, which would be two quarters, third quarter and fourth quarter of this year. I think our viewpoint is that the business remains even more robust than we expected, and we do not see a need to continue to have the worrying about the dividend reinvestment plan in order to achieve our 3.5x leverage target, which we think is a controllable outcome.

Investment grade is somewhat out of our control because we are reliant on three, you know, two or three other parties to obviously make determinations on our overall credit, from a credit standpoint. We, within our control, we know what we need to do, and I think, you know, it will be. As we think about the business right now, it is stronger than we anticipated, both for 2023, you know, being at that high end of guidance, and 2024 being a significant step change as far as EBITDA is concerned. I think that we get a lot of conviction that the dividend reinvestment plan will no longer be required. I think, Trevor, if I'm not mistaken, we get through this third quarter, we're cash flow positive all the way through from there on out.

Trevor Howard (VP of Finance)

Yeah, that's exactly right. As Jamie mentioned, turning off the DRIP or reducing the DRIP meaningfully or turning it off for the third and fourth quarter dividend payments, is, is the plan. We, we intend to delever with excess free cash flow beginning in the fourth quarter of this year in 2024, until we hit that 3.5x leverage target. Then thereafter, it'll be a mix of repurchase and dividend growth.

Neel Mitra (Senior Analyst)

Okay, great. Thank you. Maybe a broader macro question. It sounds like on the crude side, that there were some just basin-wide processing constraints because of the heat, and we've heard some commentary that some oil producers delayed completions or even shut in some wells during the second quarter, due to midstream constraints because of the heat we've had here in Texas. Did you see any of that with your producers or your underlying growth such that there's a spike in the second half of the year, assuming that we get some relief in heat here in the third quarter?

Jamie Welch (President and CEO)

Trev, you want to take that?

Trevor Howard (VP of Finance)

Yeah, absolutely. We definitely saw, you know, our business was not immune to the, to the higher temperatures that we experienced in June and then also in July. What I would say is, is that as we think about where we were, when we last spoke with our first quarter earnings in May, as we think about the second half of this year, we don't really anticipate any changes to our overall volumes for the full year. While it wasn't included in our press release or our slides, I would like to reiterate that we still are expecting to be tracking towards 1.6 BCF a day of excess processed gas or of exit processed gas volumes in 2023.

No change to the business, that we see at this point in time.

Neel Mitra (Senior Analyst)

Okay, thank you.

Operator (participant)

Our next question is from Robert Mosca from Mizuho. Your line is now open.

Robert Mosca (VP of Equity Research)

Hi, good morning, everyone. I wanted to ask around your CapEx expectation for next year, and I understand that Shin Oak isn't included in that or expansion of Shin Oak, but is that estimate more of like a bare bones estimate without include any prospective growth projects? I guess I'm just trying to tease out how you can step down to that level and, and what's currently budgeted.

Jamie Welch (President and CEO)

Robert, it's Jamie. Good question. I think, if you go break down, obviously, our overall guidance, right? For this year in Midstream Logistics, it was $235 million-$265 million The lion's share of that $235 million-$265 million on top of what we considered to be regular growth. To us, maintenance growth, will be done with, obviously, with most of our integration CapEx. Maybe there's a, there's a very, very small amount for the balance of the PB treating that's got to happen in the, in the very, very beginning of 2024.

That $235 million-$265 million, which was our guidance, a lot of it related to New Mexico, that will be done as far as the capital is concerned, or as I would say, you know, 90% of it would be done. We don't have another Delaware Link on our, on our, on our chart, on our right now on our, on our game board. We don't have another PHP expansion. That, that of itself was $255 million-$275 million. Robert, when we look at it, we say it's not bare bones. We just had a lot of one-off, very large one-off items. PHP expansion was one-off, Delaware Link, a New Mexico expansion, taking us all the way up into the interior of Lea County. They are not things that we anticipate every year.

When we think about our overall step up in forecast, that obviously, we don't have anything, right, other than what we've got right now. We obviously have the East Toyah treating that's already online. We got PB coming on the very beginning of next year. That's the remainder, I think, of the integration CapEx that we identified as part of the merger. $150 million, as I, as I mentioned, $150 million actually has this decent-sized growth-. Yeah, obviously there's, there's a component of it related to Apache and one-- and that second, and literally sort of the June onwards, when we expect that the Alpine High DUCs will basically be turned in line. There's some incremental capital there. We also can afford a deposit, sort of a milestone payment, in the context of a new cryo.

The $150 million, we think, has more than enough room, in the context of our continued growth.

Robert Mosca (VP of Equity Research)

That's really helpful, Jamie. Maybe also a follow-up on that capital return outlook. I think it's sounding like that 3.5x leverage is kind of a precondition, before you can introduce more buybacks and dividend growth. Is that the right way to think about it? How early should we expect that to happen? It sounds like the majority of those GCX proceeds will be used to address the DRIP.

Jamie Welch (President and CEO)

I think our viewpoint is that in 2024, we will certainly. Our expectation is to meet the 3.5x leverage target some point during the year, whether it's at the year-end or whether it's sort of 12 months from now. Let's just continue to, to in fact, count the precincts as we look at the overall forecast for the year. As I said, the forecast day by day gets stronger. You know, Anne Psencik and the has done a great job on the, on the hedging side. As you could see, you know, we've really tried to get ahead of that, and we've got over 20% of our total exposures hedged out through 2024. I think, yeah, it's going to be in 2024.

Just can't, with exact precision, tell you exactly what's the date that we're actually going to hit that milestone.

Robert Mosca (VP of Equity Research)

Got it. Thanks for the time, everyone.

Jamie Welch (President and CEO)

No problem.

Operator (participant)

Our next question is from Tristan Richardson from Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Tristan Richardson (Managing Director)

Hi, good morning, guys. Just looking at your slides, can you talk a little bit about your EBITDA target of $1 billion? Maybe some of the things that need to happen to achieve that target, does that on the asset base you have today with Delaware Link, PHP, and New Mexico, and or does it presume additional infrastructure like a processing plant you've been talking about?

Jamie Welch (President and CEO)

short answer is, Tristan, it assumes same-store sales, so it's taking what you have, and obviously in the context of our existing asset footprint, and actually seeing that be able to maximize the overall cash flow profile that we can actually harvest off that footprint. It doesn't involve an incremental processing train. That would obviously just be over and above that target. This is sort of the target that we've got out there that we wanna think about in the context of 2024. I mean, we see where consensus is, sort of in the $950 million range, or sort of there at $940 million, $950 million, I think, as it is for EBITDA. Obviously, we realize there are some things. I think Matt and the operations team have done a great job.

As I said, the commercial team is done, doing a great job. There's a really good prospect with some solid fundamentals that we can achieve our target. That's our goal, and that's how we think about it. It doesn't involve anything necessarily further.

Tristan Richardson (Managing Director)

Appreciate it. Maybe just, can you talk a little bit about the contracting environment in New Mexico? You, you noted that there's some early discussions with potential new relationships. Maybe just, you know, the landscape from a, the standpoint of, you know, Eddy and Lee being buttoned up, or there are large packages still to be had, maybe just what you're seeing in New Mexico?

Jamie Welch (President and CEO)

Sure. Chris, Tyler, do you guys wanna jump on in?

Chris Kendrick (VP of Commercial)

Yeah, Tristan, this is Chris Kendrick. Thanks for the question. I'll Tyler chime in. We see New Mexico as a great growth opportunity. You know, rig count up there exceeds what we're seeing in Texas. We've been successful filling up the 20-inch line and see some growth out there, both with new and existing customers. It kind of reminds us of the Texas-Delaware circuit five or six years ago. There's still a lot of opportunity, surprisingly, and the reason we got up there in the first place, there were some constraints, and we feel optimistic about the continued growth, and we'll continue to pursue those opportunities. Tyler, anything to add on your side?

Tyler Milam (VP of Commercial)

Yeah, Tristan, thanks for the question as well. Yes, this is Tyler. The only thing I'd add is, is just evidenced through what we announced this quarter, with some additional success. The pipeline isn't even in service yet, and we are seeing the need, and customers are kind of putting their pin where their mouth is, for being able to execute on those. Stay tuned. We're excited about the area for sure.

Tristan Richardson (Managing Director)

Great. Thank you, guys, very much.

Jamie Welch (President and CEO)

No problem, Tristan. Thanks.

Operator (participant)

Our next question is from Keith Stanley, from Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Keith Stanley (Director)

Hi, good morning. First, just a quick follow-up. When you, you say the GCX sale, you'd look to turn off the DRIP or go to the minimum level for Q3 and Q4, can you just remind us what the minimum level of the DRIP is?

Jamie Welch (President and CEO)

20%, Keith.

Keith Stanley (Director)

20%. Okay.

Jamie Welch (President and CEO)

Yeah

Keith Stanley (Director)

The second follow-up on New Mexico. Is there, is there any way or any, any disclosure you can give on a sense of how much volume you've either contracted on that New Mexico pipeline at this point, or any rough sense or way to think about how much incremental volume you expect on the system from that line coming on, next year and then through 2025?

Jamie Welch (President and CEO)

Really good question. Let me, we might have to just think about how to do that, given within our disclosures. We've not talked about the, the, you know, If you recall, Keith, I think in some of our previous interactions, we've talked about, it was, you know, $80 million, $90 million and, you know, like a 4x, less than a 4x build. That gave you a sense. That was the original wonder, right? Obviously it has now got better. The new MVC that we have is about 20% of the, of the size of the one that obviously underpinned with the anchor. That's a, still a decent size, and but we know that the anchor was, you know, critical to, to, expansion.

We'll think about how to get that disclosure out there so that you guys get a better sense, because I do understand that obviously from our standpoint, we're pretty excited about it, and we want to make sure that we can communicate it effectively.

Trevor Howard (VP of Finance)

Got it. Thank you.

Operator (participant)

The next question is from Jeremy Tonet, from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Jeremy Tonet (Research Analyst and Managing Director)

Hi, good morning.

Jamie Welch (President and CEO)

Hey, Jeremy.

Jeremy Tonet (Research Analyst and Managing Director)

Just wanted to come back, I guess, to the EBITDA trajectory outlook here. Again, as you talked about December 2023, you know, over $900 million there, then I think you've referenced $950 million, Street consensus, for 2024. Just wanted to see, you know, how should we be thinking about that? Is that kind of like a stair steps into $900 million run rate and the slight growth over there in the $950 million, 2024 for The Street, consensus make sense? Just want to make sure I understood correctly there.

Jamie Welch (President and CEO)

Well, I think, you know, what we've said is, yes, it's well over $900 million, right? Let's just start with that. Then I referenced the $940 million, $950 million, I think is where consensus is. Consensus, I suppose, the easiest way to say it, it doesn't trouble us.

Trevor Howard (VP of Finance)

Jeremy, just jumping in there with respect to cadence. Regarding cadence, unlike 2023, where you saw-- where we had, you know, trough quarter was 1Q, and then we stairstep to a run rate. By the time that we get to the fourth quarter, I'd say, it's-- as we think about 2024, it, it's pretty flattish from there. So, you know, there are some puts and takes when you look at the commodity price curves and whatnot, but I'd say by and large, it's not like what we saw in 2023, where you had this stairstep, quarter-over-quarter sequentially.

Jeremy Tonet (Research Analyst and Managing Director)

Got it. That's helpful. Thank you. Just wanted to turn to the business for a second here, and if you could discuss some of your larger third-party NGL pipeline and frac commitments and when some of those might start to expire. Once they expire, would you seek to build your own frac or look for other ways to maximize the value of that long NGL position?

Jamie Welch (President and CEO)

Yeah, sure. We have, we have, let's see, shorter-term arrangements on the NGL side with Lone Star. They are plant dedications for East Toyah and for Pecos Bend. They roll off in 2026. As it relates to Tiger, it's a longer-dated contract out into the, into the early 2030s, and I think, thereabout a sort of similar timeframe, I think, for the Enterprise relationship that we have on Shin Oak. It's clear to me that, you know, we'll think about what, what to do on how to, to maximize the value for our producers, because at the end of the day, it's obviously all, our, our business is keyed off the attractiveness of the net back to our-- for our customers.

In the near term, you know, the only thing to, to play for in the next several years will be sort of that, Lone Star roll-off, and then we'll sort of work out, you know, Annie will then work out what, what makes sense. As far as investment opportunities, I think our viewpoint is, look, we've got a, we've got enough on our plate to get through now. You know, we can worry about that at a later point. Obviously, we wait for further updates on exactly what is or what will not happen with Shin Oak. We've got enough capacity on Shin Oak that makes it, that we're comfortable as far as what we've got moving on the, from an NGL standpoint, both now and going forward. I think we are open to outcomes. We'll see what happens, see what comes our way.

If it's particularly attractive and compelling, then, you know, we'll think about it. For now, you know, it's not built into our base plan at all.

Jeremy Tonet (Research Analyst and Managing Director)

Got it. Thank you kindly.

Operator (participant)

We have no further questions on the question queue, so we'll now conclude today's conference. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect your lines and enjoy the rest of your day.