Kura Sushi USA - Q4 2023

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Operator (participant)

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Kura Sushi USA Inc. Fiscal Fourth Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode, and the lines will be open for your questions following the presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press Star and then zero on your telephone keypad. Please note that this call is being recorded. On the call today, we have Hajime "Jimmy" Uba, the President and Chief Executive Officer, Jeff Uttz, the Chief Financial Officer, and Benjamin Porten, SVP, Investor Relations and System Development. And now I'd like to turn the call over to Mr. Porten. Thank you, and you may proceed, sir.

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

Thank you, Operator. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you all for joining. By now, everyone should have access to our fiscal fourth quarter 2023 earnings release. It can be found at www.kurasushi.com in the Investor Relations section. A copy of the earnings release has also been included in the 8-K we submitted to the SEC. Before we begin our formal remarks, I need to remind everyone that part of our discussions today will include forward-looking statements as defined under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and therefore you should not put undue reliance on them. These statements are also subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from what we expect.

We refer all of you to our SEC filings for a more detailed discussion of the risks that could impact our future operating results and financial condition. Also, during today's call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe can be useful in evaluating our performance. The presentation of this additional information should not be considered in isolation, nor as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP, and the reconciliation to comparable GAAP measures are available in our earnings release. With that out of the way, I would like to turn the call over to Jimmy.

Hajime Jimmy Uba (Chairman, President, and CEO)

Thanks, Ben, and thank you to everyone for joining us today. I'm very pleased to announce that we've closed another record-breaking year with a great fiscal fourth quarter. Before we dive into discussing our most recent quarter, I would like to have a quick recap of what we have achieved over the full fiscal year. At the beginning of the year, we mentioned three major goals for fiscal 2023: maintaining excellent operations, continuing to rapidly grow our restaurant base, and leveraging our G&A against our increasingly large restaurant base. I'm proud to report our success on all of these fronts, as demonstrated by our full-year restaurant level operating profit margins, improving 70 basis points year-over-year to 21.9%. A record of 10 new unit openings and full-year G&A leveraging of 80 basis points over the prior year.

Our AUVs have grown from $3.8 million in fiscal 2022 to $4.3 million in fiscal 2023, reflecting the incredible round of new unit openings we've had in recent years. These successes have directly translated to improvements in profitability. Our adjusted EBITDA grew from $9.3 million in fiscal 2022 to $14.3 million in fiscal 2023, representing a growth rate of over 56% in a single year. Total sales for the fiscal fourth quarter were $54.9 million, representing comparable sales growth of 6.5%, with traffic growth being responsible for 5.6% of our total comp. In spite of ongoing concerns over deteriorating macro environment, more guests are coming to Kura Sushi than ever before. Our traffic is actually outperforming pre-pandemic levels.

We continue to be pleased with our sales performance as we've entered the new fiscal year with blended comps for September and October of 2.7%. Total revenue of approximately $34.3 million and positive traffic in both months. Commodity costs have continued to improve. Our cost of goods sold as a percentage of sales of 29.5% is a 120 basis point improvement over the prior-year quarter and a 50 basis point sequential improvement over the prior quarter. Labor costs as a percentage of sales have held steady at 28.8%, confirming the expectations we had shared during the previous earnings call. Restaurant level operating profit margins reached an all-time high of 24.4%, representing a 50 basis point improvement over the prior-year quarter.

During our fiscal fourth quarter, we opened 4 new restaurants, Long Island, New York, San Jose, California, and Framingham and Dorchester in Massachusetts, for a total of 10 unit openings in fiscal 2023. Our momentum on the development front is better than ever. Since entering the new fiscal year, we've already opened 4 units, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Flushing, New York, Tampa, Florida, and Naperville, Illinois, with another 7 units currently under construction. It's been wonderful to see Kura continue to resonate in new markets as we expand across the country. Turning to new initiatives.... I'm very happy to announce that we launched our new rewards program app in mid-October, and the guest response to our, to the new app has been uniformly positive. While our previous rewards app had been very effective in growing traffic by encouraging repeat visits, the visual presentations app and its usability was lacking.

In comparison, our new app is very highly rated on the App Store and the Google Play Store, with many users commenting on the significant improvement the new app has delivered. The response from existing users has been nothing short of great, but what's truly exciting is that since launching our new app, the number of weekly new user registrations has more than doubled. To be clear, these are not existing users that are migrating their accounts, but completely new guests that are joining our rewards program due to the improvements that we have made. I would encourage everyone on this call to download our new app, as you'll be able to immediately see the leap in quality.

On top of the improvements to the guest experience, our new rewards platform has unlocked completely new opportunities for our marketing team, such as customer segmentation, targeted marketing, and new ways of rewarding and engaging with our guests. I'm extremely excited for its potential and expect this to be a meaningful sales driver for us as we learn to unlock its potential. Development of the robotic dishwashers will continue to progress, with the first industrial implementation in Japan expected in spring of 2024. Following this pilot, we'll be able to begin the certification process for implementing the robotic dishwashers in the U.S.

While we do expect the dishwasher robots to have a meaningful impact on our labor model in future years, as we have stated in past earnings calls, we do not expect implementation during this fiscal year, and we expect its impact to slowly ramp as these dishwasher robots will be limited to newly opened restaurants. Our current Jujutsu Kaisen IP collaboration has had a great guest response, and our upcoming pipeline of brand collaborations is our strongest one yet. I'm so excited to see what we can achieve in fiscal 2024, and I'm deeply grateful for the continuous hard work by our team members at our restaurants and at our corporate support center for setting us up for another amazing year. With that, I'll turn it over to Jeff to discuss our financial results and liquidity. Jeff?

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

Thank you, Jimmy. For the fourth quarter, total sales were $54.9 million, as compared to $42 million in the prior-year-period. Comparable restaurant sales performance as compared to the prior year period was positive 6.5%, with regional comps of 12.1% in California and 3.3% in Texas. Turning now to costs. Food and beverage costs as a percentage of sales were 29.5%, as compared to 30.7% in the prior year quarter, largely due to pricing and the stabilization of commodity inflation. Labor and related costs as a percentage of sales decreased to 28.8% from 28.9% in the prior-year-quarter.

This decrease is due to incremental efficiencies created by the implementation of technological initiatives and sales leveraging from increased traffic and pricing, which was largely offset by wage increases. Occupancy and related expenses as a percentage of sales were 6.6%, compared to the prior-year-quarter's 6.5%. Other costs as a percentage of sales increased to 13.8% compared to 12.4% in the prior-year-quarter, due to costs associated with a greater number of store openings, as well as an increase in marketing costs and general cost inflation. General and administrative expenses as a percentage of sales decreased to 13.2%, as compared to 13.3% in the prior year quarter.

On a full-year comparison, G&A expenses as a percentage of sales decreased to 15%, as compared to the prior year's 15.8%. This represents an increase of G&A dollars of 25.8% for fiscal year 2023, as compared to sales growth of 32.8% over the same period. With the leveraging of G&A being one of our key goals for fiscal 2023, we are very pleased with these results and expect to achieve further leverage in the coming fiscal years. Operating income was $2.2 million, as compared to operating income of $1.9 million in the prior-year-quarter. Income tax expense was $167,000, compared to $61,000 in the prior year quarter.

Net income was $2.9 million, or $0.25 per diluted share, compared to net income of $1.9 million, or $0.19 per diluted share in the prior-year-quarter. Restaurant-Level Operating Profit as a percentage of sales was 24.4%, compared to 23.9% in the prior year quarter. Adjusted EBITDA was $6.3 million, compared to $4.8 million in the prior year quarter.

Turning now to our cash and liquidity. At the end of the fiscal fourth quarter, we had $69.7 million in cash and cash equivalents and no debt. And lastly, I'd like to provide the following guidance for fiscal year 2024. We expect total sales to be between $238 million and $243 million. We expect to open between 11 and 13 units, with average net capital expenditures per unit of approximately $2.5 million. And we expect general and administrative expenses as a percentage of sales to be approximately 14.5%. In addition, as we have communicated over the last year, beginning with our next earnings call, we will no longer quantify quarter-to-date performance. And with that, I'd like to turn the call back over to Jimmy.

Hajime Jimmy Uba (Chairman, President, and CEO)

Thanks, Jeff. This concludes our prepared remarks. We are now happy to answer any questions you have. Operator, please open the line for questions. As a reminder, during the Q&A session, I may answer in Japanese before my response is translated into English. Thank you for your attention.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. At this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star and then one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star and then two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. Please limit your questions to two questions, and if you have any further questions, you are welcome to rejoin the queue to ask further questions. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary for you to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. The first question comes from Joshua Long from Stephens. Please proceed with your question, Joshua. Joshua, you may proceed with your question.

If your line is muted, please unmute your line so that you can pose your question.

Joshua Long (Managing Director)

Great. Thank you for taking my question. Curious if we could talk through the trends that you saw through your fiscal fourth quarter. I know we had previously talked about June and kind of the almost 15% range, but curious how that trended in July and August. And then as you think about kind of the early trends here in 1Q 2024, can you remind us kind of what we're lapping over and/or how you think about some of the brand awareness initiatives that you've been working on in terms of a traffic driving tool? Thanks so much.

Hajime Jimmy Uba (Chairman, President, and CEO)

Sure. Thank you, Josh, for your first question. Please allow me to answer in Japanese, then you can translate [Foreign language].

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

Hi, Josh, this is Ben. Regarding the June comps, we were very pleased that as we mentioned in the prior earnings call, July and August were among the most difficult comparisons, if not the most difficult comparison, that we've been up against since going public. We were, you know, we had the Demon Slayer campaign. We had the benefit of the full rollout of the three initiatives for the first time in Q4. And we also had, you know, different operating conditions in 2022, which made or I'm sorry, 2021, making the comparison to 2022 a little easier. And so the comps, you know, for Q4 of 2022 were 28%.

For us to have hit, you know, 6.5% and, in fact, to have comped 5.6% in positive traffic over that 14% or so positive traffic from last year, we think is a, you know, quite an achievement. And so we're very pleased with these results. Josh, did you have... Did we answer your whole question or were there any anything that I didn't address?

Joshua Long (Managing Director)

I appreciate that. And then just thinking forward, I mean, you've done a great job in terms of broadening the awareness of the brand with some of your brand partner collaborations. Curious how those are performing and kind of any sort of early read or additional context you could offer for 2024?

Hajime Jimmy Uba (Chairman, President, and CEO)

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Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

So as, as you mentioned before, for us to have lapped that 28%, comps with positive traffic, we're very pleased. And certainly, the IP collaborations that we've been working with has been a big part of it. In the last earnings call, we mentioned just how strong We Bare Bears was, and that was certainly a lift for a traffic perspective. Right now our current collaboration is with Jujutsu Kaisen, which is a very popular anime that's going very well. And while I can't disclose the full pipeline for the remainder of the year, we do have the, I, I would say, the, the most exciting brands ever to have collaborated with Kura coming up, and so I'm extremely excited to give you updates on that as we get further into the quarter, or I'm sorry, into the fiscal year.

Joshua Long (Managing Director)

Thank you.

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

Thanks, Josh.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. The next question comes from Jeffrey Bernstein from Barclays. Please proceed with your question, Jeffrey.

Jeffrey Bernstein (Equity Research Analyst)

... Great. Thank you very much. Two questions. First, just wanted to follow up on the comp trend. Totally appreciate lapping a 28% comp is extremely difficult, but in order to flush out the comparisons that I think you said got more difficult as the quarter went along, perhaps you can share on a 2- or 3-year basis, however you look at it. Because it does seem like, right, the comp, if you're running close to 15% in the first 5 weeks and you did a 6% and change for the full quarter, that it was pretty flattish in the back 9 weeks. I'm just trying to gauge whether you think it was a sequential slowdown at all, or whether on a multi-year basis, it was actually fairly stable. Just trying to get a sense for the trend throughout the quarter, flushing out the comparisons.

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

Yeah, on a multi-year basis, I would say that it's stable. Last year was really exceptional. July and August, in particular, had the Demon Slayer collaboration, which really brought unprecedented traffic, for us.

Jeffrey Bernstein (Equity Research Analyst)

Do you share them? Just to be able to figure out kind of how that was in terms of 2- and 3-year, can you share the monthly numbers last year so we can kind of gauge?

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

I don't have them in front of me, but I believe if you go to our past earnings calls, you'll be able to see them in the archives.

Jeffrey Bernstein (Equity Research Analyst)

Okay. And then my second question was, looking forward from a restaurant margin perspective. Appreciate that you gave top-line guidance in terms of revenues and units and whatnot, but as we think about the margins and the flows that are earnings, any thoughts you can give in terms of fiscal 2024? I mean, the commodity and labor basket inflation, I presume, just wondering what you're thinking for each of those, and whether you have an ability or a desire to hold the margins flat, maybe how much pricing you're anticipating in fiscal 2024. Any color on the key line items and the pricing to offset, ultimately leading to restaurant margin would be great.

Hajime Jimmy Uba (Chairman, President, and CEO)

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Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

So we'll let Jeff handle commodity, but just to discuss labor, in past earnings call, we've been mentioning that we've been seeing about double-digit year-over-year labor inflation. We're very pleased to be able to say that that's moderated down to mid-single digits, which really is sort of reflected in our pricing decision that we made in July. As you know, we lapped 7%. We only took 2% to offset that, and the relatively modest price increase really reflects the bullishness that we have on the overall labor environment. As we've mentioned in past earnings calls, you know, anything above 20% is an exceptional restaurant level operating profit margin. We're very pleased to, you know, actually grow that substantially this year with 80 basis points year-over-year.

But anything over 20% is something that we're very pleased with.

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

Yeah, and Jeff, it's Jeff. I'll just add to what Jimmy and Ben said as well. When we think about restaurant level operating profit, the 20% number is great. We've never historically taken price to chase margin. What we've done is we've taken price in response to minimum wage increases and other outside forces that are increasing the cost of us doing business. And that's what we're gonna continue to do going forward. In terms of what we've seen on the COGS line, it has been really very encouraging. In the last two or three calls, I've said we've seen the really high increases slow down and even out. And I'm really happy to report that in this past quarter, we saw not only sequential quarter-to-quarter, but also year-over-year, very slight deflation in our basket.

Not a huge number, but it's a red number now, not a number going up, so we're happy. And I'm confident that that trend is going to continue. We've made some promotions in our supply chain department, some really good people, and the negotiating has gone really well, and we're continuing pushing forward on that. So I'm very bullish on what we're gonna see on our COGS line as we move forward through this fiscal year.

Jeffrey Bernstein (Equity Research Analyst)

Got it. And just lastly, if I could just clarify from a unit opening perspective, I know you're talking about 11-13 units. I'm just wondering if you can share maybe the openings. Well, you did four already in the first quarter, but your openings by quarter and how you think about those in new versus existing markets.

Hajime Jimmy Uba (Chairman, President, and CEO)

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Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

So in terms of the opening cadence, this isn't something that we typically discuss and, you know, give the Q4 earnings calls. But just, you know, given that we've already opened four stores, I, you know, we, we sort of need to comment on it. We don't expect further openings for Q, for in Q1. The 7 units we have under construction, the majority are, you know, in the early stages of construction. So I think you can sort of back out the cadence from that, relative to our guidance. In terms of the, new versus existing, about 20-25% of our units, from fiscal 2024's pipeline are slotted for new markets, and the remainder will be in existing markets. This represents a shift from the historical 50/50 split.

Just given that we're, you know, in 15 states now, there are fewer new markets for us to enter.

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

One further thing about opening more stores up in existing markets is, it's really gonna help us even further on the G&A line and our regional G&A, make it much more efficient for our area managers not having to travel so far and have restaurants that are in geographical areas where they're not on the road as much and not spending as much money doing that. So we're excited to be able to see some potential leverage on the regional G&A side of things versus the corporate G&A side as well.

Hajime Jimmy Uba (Chairman, President, and CEO)

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[Foreign language]あと、もう一つ、今回のこの、えーと、ユニットグロースガイダンスでちょっと最後に付け加えたいのが、この11から13っていうのは、まあ今、4店舗とかからすると、あの、ちょっともう少しアップできるんじゃないかと思うかもしれませんけど、この1年ぐらいに、やっぱりあのコンストラクションの最後のところで、少しやっぱりアンエクスペクテッドだったり、まあアンコントロールなものが、あのディレイが出て いるんですで、まあ今年1年これも続くことを想定してるんですで、もしすべて順調に行ったらね、あのもちろん当然これを少しアップで出していく可能性は十分にあります。はい、

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

Just to close out the unit growth discussion.

Relative, you might have been surprised by our guidance being 11-13 units when we've already opened four. We've got seven under construction. You might— you know, people on the call might be wondering, why aren't we being more aggressive with our growth? And really, this is just a reflection of the operating environment that we've been in the last 12 years. The construction itself, the construction period is very stable, but we've seen, you know, unexpected hurdles pop up in the last, you know, the, the final stages, which have delayed openings from anywhere from, you know, weeks to months. And so the 11-13 reflects, you know, just uncertainty in terms of, you know, especially permitting.

We do believe that should things be smoother, there's ample opportunity for upside, and we're very excited to, you know, hopefully provide updates and upgrades in subsequent earnings calls.

Jeffrey Bernstein (Equity Research Analyst)

Thank you.

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

Thank you, Jeff.

Hajime Jimmy Uba (Chairman, President, and CEO)

Thank you, Jeff.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. The next question comes from Jon Tower from Citigroup. Please proceed with your questions, Jon.

Jon Tower (Equity Research Analyst)

Great. Thanks. First, a clarification and then a question. Just curious, I think, Jimmy, you'd mentioned September, October, running comps in a plus 2.7% range. Maybe I misheard that, but wanted to clarify. And if so, you know, I'm curious to gain your perspectives on the slowdown on a 1-year basis that you're experiencing, and you know, I think on a multi-year basis, that would also be a bit of a slowdown as well?

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

Yeah. Jon, good to talk to you. This is Jeff. In terms of the comps that we've seen, what we're really most excited about, what we want to focus on is the traffic. And what, what we believe is that getting people in the door and getting traffic to increase is a huge part of the battle when it comes to comps, and we feel we're winning that battle. And you and, and all of us have all listened to the conference calls from other companies that have been going on over the last several weeks, and we're proud of the fact that we're one, one of the few concepts that is showing a positive traffic number. We can't control certain things like somebody maybe not ordering a soda or ordering a tea or having a side item, which you might expect in an economy like we're having.

But what we, what we do expect is that the people will continue to keep coming back, and they do. People, when they go out, are choosing Kura, and we believe that's going to continue, and we're going to continue to push other people come in that door. If they do make some changes to their dining habits, hopefully, and we believe that will be offset by having more people come through the door. So that's what we're going to continue to push, is that traffic number.

Jon Tower (Equity Research Analyst)

Got it. So it is you are seeing a little bit of check management from, you know, consumers that are coming back, albeit more frequently than before, but the check management is, is occurring in the business right now.

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

A little bit, and it's like small add-on things. So our sushi plates for guests is not changing dramatically. So like I said, somebody may have a water instead of a Coke or not have a tea, or maybe they won't have, you know, a small dessert at the end of their meal or something like that, which, like I said, is to be expected in an economy like we're in. But people are still coming through the door. We're happy, we're happy with that.

Jon Tower (Equity Research Analyst)

Got it. Cool. And then just talking about the development side again, I know that there's been some discussion, not with you yet, but, others in the industry about having some problems on the development side. I know you hit on kind of slower permitting timelines than what you'd historically seen, but are you actually seeing any problems with developers not actually opening units, and if so, you know, how—can you give us maybe an idea of how much of your portfolio is kind of exposed or potentially exposed to those developers that, you know, are at risk of potentially cutting new locations short and therefore potentially putting some of your new stores at risk or potentially-

Hajime Jimmy Uba (Chairman, President, and CEO)

[Foreign language]このプロジェクトでいくつかこう、開発者がこのインタレストレートでちょっとファンドが厳しくなっててというのは、まあいくつかありますけど、まあこの2024に関してはそんな影響は受けてないです。ただ、我々十分な買い手になるので、その影響というのは非常に少ないと思ってます。そこまでは。どちらかっていうと、今回直近のあれは最後のパーミティングのところなんで、これはちょっと後で。

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

Yeah. So, just to be clear, the uncertainty that we were referring to is really more on permitting as opposed to anything on the developer side. We're, you know, fortunate to be able to say that this really is, it's a problem that's entirely foreign to us. We've seen, you know, maybe one or two LOIs go sideways, because of interest rates and developers pulling out, but certainly nothing, you know, in our fiscal 2024 pipeline, certainly nothing under construction. And so, yeah, it really, it—this hasn't been an issue for us.

Hajime Jimmy Uba (Chairman, President, and CEO)

[Foreign language] で、まあ実際、我々がコンストラクション最後で起きてるっていうのは、プランがもう承認されてないんです。プラン通り我々やってるんですけど、まあ、インスペクターがね、最後にプラン通りやることをやめた、やり直すんです。それ側はもうマイナーなissueじゃないですけど、結構メジャーな、結構significantなところ、最後のラストミニッツでね、プラン、あの、プランを承認されたことにあって、それで結構その修正に何週間かかっている。まあ、そういうことがあちこちで起きて、我々だけだったらいいんだけど、遅延で起きてることで、ちょっと我々もどうしようもない。おそらく、やっぱり、あの、パンデミックのなかに、新しくレイオフされて新しく雇って、それに追い付きすぎる。まあ、そういったことが行われているので、もうしばらくそういうのは続くんじゃないかなと思っています。

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

Yeah, one odd kind of—

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

... wrinkle that we've been seeing is, you know, a new issue for us, is that very late in construction, we've had, you know, the permitting officials come by after they've approved, you know, the blueprints months in advance, saying, you know, after we've built the restaurant: "Actually, I've got a problem with the blueprint, and we need to make these major changes," which obviously, you know, adds many, you know, weeks to the openings. And so that's been frustrating. You think maybe it's part of, you know, unfortunate, just sort of turnover in the personnel that are managing this as a result of the pandemic. There were probably layoffs and new employees, and maybe they're still getting their sea legs. But, yeah, so that's the uncertainty that we've been seeing, not anything from the developers' end.

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

Oftentimes our approved plans, which are always to code, when they come in and want us to do additional things, things that are way above and beyond what code is, and things that we've never really seen before. So those are the... We're not sure why they're doing this, but we're running into that from time to time.

Hajime Jimmy Uba (Chairman, President, and CEO)

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Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

And the human element is sort of gone, where before these things could be talked through, whereas now we really have no recourse. Just online portals are, you know, really the only way to get in contact with people, and online portal is not open to discussion. And so, yeah, that's been a change. But like we said earlier, we do expect a very strong development year. Even the midpoint of the 11-13 is 24% unit growth. And, you know, we do very much hope to be able to give you updates and upgrades on that part.

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

Our pipeline is really strong, Jon. You know, Jimmy talked about the 7 under construction, and beyond that, we're not talking any further about that other than the guidance that we've given, the 11-13. The pipeline is very strong, and we have no concerns about being able to meet our guidance, and like Ben said, potentially, hopefully raise it in a future call if we can.

Jon Tower (Equity Research Analyst)

Got it. Thank you for all that, I appreciate it. And then just mechanically thinking through the rewards revamp, you know, are you anticipating... and I'm uncertain as to how this is gonna impact, but, in terms of redemption, you know, are you anticipating any bit of a comp headwind from the rewards revamp that you've added in mid-October?

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

No, it should not be a comp headwind. If anything, it'll be a comp tailwind. I mean, that's why we've been focused on it.

Jon Tower (Equity Research Analyst)

Cool. And then just the last piece, I know the robotic dishwasher, that's encouraging. Glad to hear that it's, it's gonna be, you know, making its way here at some point in 2024 into future windows. Can you maybe give us an idea of, like, what sort of incremental cost that might be, at least from a CapEx standpoint? And then perhaps if you could frame any sort of labor savings you're expecting from this over time?

Hajime Jimmy Uba (Chairman, President, and CEO)

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Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

So we're still... It's still the pilot model, and so there are probably gonna be material changes and changes in the materials. So the robots between the pilot, the pilot model versus the mass production model. But the ROI, I mean, they're an extremely low bar for us to clear. It's really gonna be a slam dunk, and we're really excited about it.

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

Two important things on to remember, though, on the robotic dishwashers is that we don't expect any labor impact this year because it won't be. It, it'll be fiscal 2025 or beyond. And then the second thing to take note is, it's gonna be started in the new units only, because our existing units, for the most part, are very efficient in terms of space in the kitchen. So these dishwashers will most likely not be able to be retrofitted into our existing kitchen. So we'll start doing new construction to start.

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

And, to provide additional color on the labor impact, right now, at most of our restaurants, we have two full-time employees working as dishwashers. This would reduce our labor needs to one full-time employee, and the burden for that employee would be lessened as well, which is helpful for retention. And so, all around, it's, it's very exciting. We've mentioned in past earnings calls that we think the overall impact is gonna be greater than those three initiatives that we rolled out in fiscal 2022 combined, and we, we still believe that.

Jon Tower (Equity Research Analyst)

Great, thanks. I'll pass it along.

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

Thanks, Jon.

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

Thank you.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. The next question comes from Jeremy Hamblin from Craig-Hallum. Please proceed with your questions, Jeremy.

Jeremy Hamblin (Senior Research Analyst)

Thank you, and congrats on a strong year. I wanna come back to the sales guidance for the year and just make sure I understood. In terms of that range that you provided, what's the implied same-store sales embedded within that? Is it kind of like in the 3%-5% range?

Hajime Jimmy Uba (Chairman, President, and CEO)

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Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

So we don't provide comp guidance, and so we can't really get into it right now. But that revenue guidance that we provide, you know, contemplates the 11-13 units as well as what our internal comp expectations are. And as we mentioned before, there's ample opportunity for the number of stores that we're opening to go beyond that 11-13 that we're saying, which would have a concurrent impact on our revenue guidance as well. And so we've got a lot of things to look forward to for this year. ... Just as a closing note, though, you know, the 9.5% full-year comps that we had for fiscal 2023, we aren't expecting the same thing for fiscal 2024.

Jeremy Hamblin (Senior Research Analyst)

Got it. And then, you know, wanted to ask a question here on, on margins. So you had pre-opening costs were over $700,000 in the August quarter. And, you know, in terms of, you know, one, I wanted to understand what kind of the average pre-opening cost per new location was. And then number two, do all those pre-opening costs fall in the other operating cost line item, or are they sprinkled, you know, in between, let's say, your, your labor occupancy and other operating costs?

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

Yeah, they, they are sprinkled between them. So for instance, we, we opened one store on August 31st, the very last day of our, our fiscal year, and so we've had employees training for that restaurant for a month or so, maybe longer, and that's a lot of that's, you know, that falls directly on the labor line. Otherwise, the majority of the cost would be non-cash rent that we start booking upon receipt of the premises. And so, you know, that's typically 150 days before, oh, sure, yeah, before opening. And so, yeah, the elevated pre-opening costs, that, that makes total sense. We opened four restaurants in Q4. We opened four restaurants in Q1, and so the pre-opening costs for Q1 are falling on Q4, et cetera.

We do expect to leverage those pre-opening costs, too, as we continue to open restaurants in areas where there's already other restaurants, then our new employees can drive over to, you know, the restaurant that's right there to be trained rather than having to travel further to be trained. And same with our, you know, the managers as well for their training, won't have to fly all over the country to have their training. They can do it locally.

Jeremy Hamblin (Senior Research Analyst)

Okay. Got it. Want to come back here to, you know, restaurant-level margins. In terms of what your expectations, it sounds like you feel, you know, pretty good about where your food costs are for the year. It sounds like you feel like labor is, you know, hourly wage rates are more under control, although your menu pricing is down, you know, pretty significantly from where it was in June. Is it something where you're expecting your restaurant-level margins-- Or let me ask the question a different way: What would your... What do you think that your comp needs to be for restaurant-level margins to be flat or up slightly in FY 2024?

Hajime Jimmy Uba (Chairman, President, and CEO)

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Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

So in terms of the comps, as we mentioned earlier, we can't really provide numerical guidance as to what our expectations are. But, you know, we've maintained this 20%, restaurant-level operating profit margins for years, and we're very, very happy to be able to grow that. In terms of maintaining or growing that further, pricing could be an element. Certainly, there's, you know, it's going to be a sensitive decision for us, given the ongoing macro environment and for us to, you know, potentially sacrifice the traffic advantage that we've had is, you know, maybe something that we'd have to very seriously think about. You know, for us to have such a significant traffic lead, I think, really sets us up for the next several years and not just on a quarter-to-quarter basis.

In terms of serious impacts to restaurant-level operating profit margins, we do. The dishwasher really does have the opportunity to move the needle, but as we mentioned before, that's gonna be, you know, not in fiscal 2024, and it's gonna be on a limited to the new stores basis. And so it's gonna be a slow ramp, but that's something that is very concrete that we're excited for. And also, as you know, you know, the prime costs are the biggest piece of restaurant-level margin. And the initiatives that we're putting in place, like the dishwashers, that will have impacts, but at the same time, also, we can't compromise food quality, and we can't compromise service quality.

Hajime Jimmy Uba (Chairman, President, and CEO)

[Foreign language] Yeah, so, Jeff makes a really good point. I mean, we could be very aggressive and try to achieve 25% restaurant-level operating profit margins, but certainly, that would have an impact on traffic. Our strategic preference is to grow traffic and use that to leverage our fixed costs and grow restaurant-level operating profit margin more organically.

Jeremy Hamblin (Senior Research Analyst)

... Got it. Thanks, thanks for taking the questions, guys. Best wishes this year.

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

Thank you, Jeremy.

Hajime Jimmy Uba (Chairman, President, and CEO)

Thank you, David.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. The next question comes from Sharon Zackfia from William Blair. Please proceed with your question, Sharon.

Sharon Zackfia (Group Head of Consumer Sector)

Hey, good afternoon. I'm just gonna beat the dead horse of the quarter-to-date comp. I do have in my notes that last year comps were, I think, up like 11.5% in September and 6.3% in October. And we've heard a lot of companies talk about kind of more normal seasonality, and I'm not sure you saw that in 2022. So I guess, you know, my question is, have you seen what others have seen, which was kind of slower traffic trends in September, followed by more of a rebound in October as we're comparing a little bit of an apple and an orange maybe year over year?

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

So as Jeff mentioned earlier, you know, and as everybody's seen in the restaurant industry, September and October is, you know, been deeply influenced by macro factors. And, you know, considering that, we're extremely pleased to have been able to grow traffic the way that we did. Yeah. So, there are a couple factors for October. One would just be that, you know, we had more weekend days, you know, the year prior, October versus 2023. But, you know, considering those, yeah, October was, is a little favorable relative to September.

Jeremy Hamblin (Senior Research Analyst)

Uh, [crosstalk]

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

I'm sorry. October was... Yeah, so we didn't really see the same thing that the others did. Our performance was not that different between September and October.

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Yeah, and then the timing of Halloween certainly didn't work in our favor. Didn't work in anybody's favor. But if you control for everything, yeah, it's pretty much flat or October is a little bit favorable, but not a big difference between the two months.

Sharon Zackfia (Group Head of Consumer Sector)

Okay. Thank you, thank you for that. And then it was good to hear about labor inflation moderating. But I'm, you know, highly aware of your concentration to some extent in California that remains, and I know you're not directly impacted by the FAST Act, but, you know, we've had some other full-service operators say that they still expect that to be an impact, you know, for wage rates in California, just more broadly outside of limited service. So curious what your perspective is on what you may or may not need to do next spring in California, and how, you know, if you need to raise wages, how you would approach pricing in that environment?

Hajime Jimmy Uba (Chairman, President, and CEO)

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Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

So thank you for asking this. We were hoping to have an opportunity to address this, but we really believe the impact from the FAST Act is gonna be minimal or in fact a tailwind for us. And so we'd love to go through the reasons why we're, you know, we think this is actually gonna be a benefit. So the first two factors would be that, you know, as you know, the FAST Act doesn't directly apply to us. And considering, you know, the comments that our peers have made about, you know, knock-on effects, even at a $20 minimum wage for California employees or, you know, they're making competitive wages relevant to that. And so it's, it's not like we're gonna have to raise wages to be $20.

So that's it. It's really not a consideration for us. Another thing is that we are very unique in that, you know, we're so tech-driven that we have these initiatives to reduce headcount, which is, you know, specific to Kura, not really something that anybody else could emulate. And so I think this makes us, you know, competitive. This is a competitive advantage for us. And lastly, as the QSRs need to catch up from $16 or so they're currently paying now to $20 minimum wage, they'll have to aggressively raise prices. And so as the price between a QSR meal and a Kura meal shrinks, the appeal and value of Kura only grows. And so we think this could ultimately be a traffic tailwind for us as well.

Sharon Zackfia (Group Head of Consumer Sector)

Okay. Thank you.

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

Thanks, Sharon.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, just a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star and then one. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star and then one. The next question comes from Mark Smith from Lake Street. Please proceed with your questions, Mark.

Alex Sturnieks (Equity Research Associate)

... Hi, guys. This is Alex Sturnieks on the line from Mark today. Just firstly, and you might have touched on it already, but, you know, could you walk us through the menu price increases that are built into the comp and, any new increases or increases that you anniversary this quarter?

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

Yeah. So, effective price was in, it was about 10.7% for Q4. As of July, 7% fell off, and we offset that by 2%, and so, June was 14%, and then September, Octo-- I'm sorry, July, August were about 9%. And there's been no change since.

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

So, so Q1 will be all 9%?

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

Yeah.

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

We'll lap 7% on the first week of December.

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

Exactly.

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

Yeah. So starting at the beginning of December, we'll only have 2% pricing in our comp.

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

Right. And we touched on this earlier, but the fact that we only took 2% to offset that 7% coming off is really just a reflection of our bullishness on the labor environment, as well as the, you know, the actual inflation that we're seeing on the commodity front.

Alex Sturnieks (Equity Research Associate)

Yeah, perfect. That's good there. Then just my last question, you know, you guys have the collabs, the updated app, your tech initiatives with the automated dishwashers, but, you know, are you guys looking in any other areas of the customer experience you guys could improve? Anything to leverage there?

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

Yeah, there are a billion things, but a couple of low-hanging fruit that, you know, come to mind would be, the first is that we haven't really communicated the impact, the upgrade to the waitlist to our guests yet, and so they're benefiting from it, but they're not changing their behavior based off of that. And so that's a low-hanging fruit. The other is that we have this technology. I don't know if you've been to one of our restaurants, but if there are four people at your table, it can be hard to reach the conveyor belt if you're on the outside of the table. And we have this technology that allows you to directly place orders from your cell phone, so you don't have to reach over your friend to hit the order panel. And that's ready to go.

It's just a matter of rollout. And so those would be two things that I can talk about right now, and I'm sure that I will have many more things I'll be able to share with you as we progress throughout the year.

Alex Sturnieks (Equity Research Associate)

Thanks for answering my questions. Appreciate it.

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

Thanks, Alex.

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

You got it.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. The next question comes from JP Wollam, from Roth Capital Partners. Please proceed with your questions, JP.

JP Wollam (Equity Research Associate)

Great. Thanks, everyone, for taking my questions. First, if we could just start, maybe, you know, a lot of new openings, call it the last six months or so. Can you maybe just talk about, in terms of openings, are there any differences you've seen with kind of the latest cohort of openings or... I know we've really talked a lot about the development, but, maybe just kind of on customer reception and anything new you're seeing or any new trends you're seeing when these units open?

Hajime Jimmy Uba (Chairman, President, and CEO)

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Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

So over the last 6 months, we've been fortunate, very fortunate, to be able to say that all, pretty much all the openings have been, in fact, been really great. I'd say, you know, rather than noticing anything new, what it's really been is just a confirmation that our strategy was correct. In past earnings calls, we've discussed how we've taken a non-contiguous growth approach across the United States. Fort Lee was our first New Jersey location, our first East Coast location, and on the strength of that, we've really built out that market, whether we're talking about, you know, Philadelphia, New York, Boston, D.C. The entire Northeast has been great to us, and so that's been, you know. It's just really great to be vindicated and see that strategy pan out.

And obviously, with our other markets, you know, such as Bellevue, having not been filled in yet, that makes us that much more excited about, you know, the Pacific Northwest once we start to build out those markets. In past calls, we've mentioned, you know, Aventura being slow to recover from the pandemic and not really performing to the expectations we had prior to its opening. But subsequently, we've opened two more units, one in Vineland, which is in Orlando, and one in Tampa, and both of them are doing spectacular. So it's really, you know, it's great to see that the issue is not with Florida as a market, but really just that one specific site. We think Florida is a huge growth for us.

JP Wollam (Equity Research Associate)

Great. Yeah, that's, that's very helpful. And then maybe one follow-up, if I could, turn to Jeff. I just kinda wanna ask, you know, with the guidance of the 14.5%, G&A, as a % of revenue, could you maybe just help give us a sense of, you know, kind of from where you started when you first joined Kura and kind of where that guidance is? You know, how are you feeling about your ability to either kind of optimize some of the costs or take some costs out of the business? And, you know, how do you feel as we go forward, whether there's even more opportunity or whether you've really, you know, kind of pushed, pushed as far as you could on that regard? Thank you.

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

There is more opportunity. Absolutely. So we, it was 80 basis points from fiscal 2022 to fiscal 2023 for our year, our full-year G&A leverage, and I'm very proud of that. That exceeded my expectations and, and my goals for the company when I came in, and leveraging G&A was in the top three things that Jimmy asked me to work on. And I'm very happy with what we've done. This year, you know, we're, we're projecting more, as you can see, based on our guidance. It was a lot in the first year. I'm really proud of our team. I'm proud of, all the department heads, really stepped up and did what they could to either push back hires and reduce expenses or do what they could to become more efficient, and that's what I've asked everybody to do, and they've answered the bell.

We're gonna continue to see that this year. One slight headwind on G&A that we have this year is this will be our first year of 404B compliance. So making sure we're fully ready for that is increasing our public company costs a little bit, but even with that, we're gonna have future leverage this year, as you can see by our guidance. Then in, you know, fiscal 2025 and beyond, we're gonna continue to see leverage, and at some point, I don't want to sell the company, we get it down into the single digits-

JP Wollam (Equity Research Associate)

Thank you.

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

at some point, and I know we will. So I have no timeline on that, but we're working on it.

JP Wollam (Equity Research Associate)

Got it. That makes sense. Thank you, and best of luck moving forward.

Jeff Uttz (CFO)

You're welcome. Thank you.

Benjamin Porten (SVP of Investor Relations and Business Development)

Thanks, JP.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of the question and answer session. This does conclude today's conference. Thank you very much for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.