LTC Properties - Earnings Call - Q4 2024
February 25, 2025
Executive Summary
- Q4 2024 delivered modest revenue growth but lower GAAP EPS year over year as gains on sale normalized and impairment rose; total revenues were $52.6M (+4.7% YoY), diluted EPS was $0.39 (vs $0.67 YoY). FFO per share rose to $0.72, while core FFO (ex-nonrecurring) was roughly flat at $0.65.
- Liquidity materially strengthened to ~$680M exiting the quarter (cash $9.4M, revolver availability ~$281M, ATM capacity ~$390M), positioning LTC to fund accretive growth.
- Management introduced a RIDEA strategy with $150–$200M of initial conversions expected in Q2 2025; year‑1 NOI from these conversions is expected to offset platform build costs, with full‑year guidance to follow post‑conversion.
- Near-term catalysts: RIDEA conversions; redeployment of proceeds from a planned sale of seven SNFs tied to a 2026 maturity (management targets earnings neutrality via current market rates); 2025 rent resets projected to increase market-based rents by ~$1.1M YoY.
What Went Well and What Went Wrong
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What Went Well
- “We are unlocking a strong catalyst for growth by adding a RIDEA structure…targeting $150 million to $200 million…conversions…during the second quarter. Currently, we expect that year 1 NOI…will offset the initial expense” — Pam Kessler.
- Liquidity and balance sheet metrics improved: debt/annualized adjusted EBITDAre fell to 4.3x and fixed charge coverage rose to 4.7x QoQ; total liquidity ~ $680M.
- ALG and Prestige updates constructive: ALG current on contractual rent early 2025; Prestige retroactive Medicaid payments of ~$4.3M and occupancy up ~740 bps YoY support full contractual interest in 2025.
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What Went Wrong
- GAAP diluted EPS fell to $0.39 from $0.67 YoY on lower gain on sale and higher impairment/G&A expense despite lower interest expense; net income available to common fell ~ $10.1M YoY.
- Non-recurring straight-line income boosted Q4 revenue (restoring accrual accounting on two master leases), which is not indicative of recurring run-rate; core FFO per share was flat YoY at $0.65.
- Continued churn in the portfolio: one top-10 operator intends not to renew in 2026, necessitating sale/redeployment of seven SNFs; execution risk remains even with management’s neutrality target.
Transcript
Operator (participant)
Greetings. Welcome to the LTC Properties, Inc. Fourth Quarter 2024 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Before management begins its presentation, please know that today's comments, including the question-and-answer session, may include forward-looking statements subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results and events to differ materially. These risks and uncertainties are detailed in LTC Properties filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission from time to time, including the company's most recent 10-K dated December 31st, 2024. LTC undertakes no obligation to revise or update these forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of this presentation. Please note this event is being recorded.
I would now like to turn the conference over to Wendy Simpson.
Wendy L. Simpson (CEO)
Thank you, Operator, and welcome to LTC's 2024 Fourth Quarter conference call. Before I turn the call over to Pam and Clint, our co-CEOs, and Cece, our Chief Financial Officer, I want to say thank you to everyone on today's call for your steadfast support. Leading LTC for the past 17 years has been an incredible honor. Today, as Executive Chairman, my excitement for the company remains as strong as ever. In fact, with RIDEA driving our growth strategy, I could not be more optimistic about our future. I have had the privilege of working alongside this very talented group for more than two decades. They have a proven track record of navigating numerous complex real estate cycles and an unprecedented pandemic while consistently delivering value to our stakeholders and our industry.
Additionally, the recent promotions of Gibson Satterwhite to Executive Vice President, Asset Management and Mike Bouton to Senior Vice President, Investments further recognize the talents of our highly experienced team. As we finalize our search for a new Chief Investment Officer, our focus is on adding a seasoned executive who will assist us in growing our RIDEA platform. We anticipate completing the search in the second quarter. The board is fully confident this team will continue to drive our business forward. The team's depth of experience, a board that brings fresh perspectives with half of its members having joined us in the last five years, and an aggressive but achievable plan for growth position LTC to thrive this year and well into the future. With that, I'll turn things over to Pam.
Pamela Kessler (CFO)
Thank you, Wendy. Throughout 2024, we worked to position LTC for long-term growth. Of note, we reduced our leverage and continued our policy of having well-staggered debt maturities matched to our projected cash flow. For 2025, we are focused on further diversifying our portfolio to ensure a balance with respect to operator, geography, property type, and investment vehicle. And importantly, we are unlocking a strong catalyst for growth by adding a RIDEA structure to our business. After extensive analysis and consultation with industry experts as to implementing a RIDEA platform, we are now moving quickly to execute our strategy while actively building out the infrastructure necessary to make this strategy a success. As we've discussed, we have identified several opportunities to cooperatively convert selected existing triple-net leases into RIDEA structures and are targeting $150-$200 million in initial gross investment assets currently on our balance sheet.
We expect to complete these conversions from triple-net to RIDEA during the second quarter. Currently, we expect that year-one NOI from these conversions will offset the initial expense incurred to build the platform. Once the conversions are complete, we will provide full-year guidance for 2025. Cece will provide our first quarter guidance during her remarks. In short, for us, RIDEA isn't just a strategy. It has the potential to be transformative. When combined with a robust suite of tailored financing solutions to support operator success, we will unlock long-term growth potential for LTC. Now I'll turn things over to Cece for a review of our fourth quarter financial results.
Cece Chikhale (SVP)
Thank you, Pam. All the numbers I'll be discussing today for the fourth quarter of 2024 compared with the same period in 2023, unless otherwise noted. Net income available to common shareholders decreased by $10.1 million, primarily due to a decrease in gain-on-sale and increase in impairment losses and higher G&A. These were partially offset by a decrease in interest expense, a decrease in our provision for credit losses, and an increase in one-time straight-line rental income related to restoring certain master leases from cash bases to accrual bases as required by GAAP. FFO, excluding non-recurring items, improved $2.1 million, primarily due to lower interest expense, rent increases from fair market rent resets, previously transitioned portfolios and escalations, an increase in interest income from construction loan funding in 2024, and lower transaction costs.
The increase was partially offset by lower revenues due to property sales and mortgage loan payoffs, as well as higher G&A. On a fully diluted per-share basis, FFO was $0.72 compared to $0.57 last year. Core FFO, which excludes non-recurring items, was $0.65 per share in the 2024 fourth quarter, compared with $0.66 per share in the 2023 fourth quarter. Recapping our fourth quarter activities, some of which was discussed on last quarter's call, we received the payoff of a $51.1 million mortgage loan secured by a senior housing community in Georgia, sold a closed property in Colorado for $5.3 million, and recorded a $1.1 million gain, repaid $95.8 million under our unsecured revolving line of credit, repaid $5 million in scheduled principal paydowns on our senior unsecured notes, entered into a new $400 million ATM program, which includes a forward feature, and subsequently terminated our $200 million ATM program.
We sold 476,370 shares of common stock for $17.5 million in net proceeds under these ATM programs and paid $25.8 million in common dividends. Subsequent to the end of the fourth quarter, we sold a 29-unit assisted living property in Oklahoma for $670,000. Upon sale, the property was removed from a master lease covering five assisted living properties in Oklahoma. Rent under the master lease was not reduced as a result of the sale. We paid $7 million under our senior unsecured notes and borrowed $15 million under our revolving line of credit. At the end of the last quarter, our total liquidity was approximately $680 million, up from $229 million at the end of September 2024. We have $9.4 million of cash on hand, $281 million available on our line of credit, and $390 million available under our ATM.
Each of these metrics improved from the end of the 2024 third quarter. Our Debt-to-Annualized Adjusted EBITDA for real estate is down to 4.3 times from 4.7 times for the third quarter, and our annualized adjusted Fixed Charge Coverage Ratio is up to 4.7 times from 4.2 times for the third quarter. Our first quarter 2025 guidance for Core FFO is between $0.64 and $0.65 per share. This guidance assumes no additional investments, asset sales, financing, or equity issuances. Now I'll turn the call over to Clint.
Clint B. Malin (Chief Investment Officer)
Thank you, Cece. There is increasing momentum in our pipeline, which is expanding as a result of our entrance into RIDEA. We're seeing numerous opportunities from both proactive outreach and inbound inquiries, and are having some of the most productive conversations with operators that we've had in recent memory. Our strategy has always been to listen closely to what operators want and need and provide them with a robust set of flexible and innovative solutions. RIDEA is now part of that toolbox and is anchoring our external growth story. While RIDEA represents our largest growth opportunity, we will continue to deploy other financing vehicles like triple-net leases, mortgage loans, and structured finance. Currently, our pipeline is valued at approximately $100 million, including potential RIDEA transactions. We are in one of the best positions for accretive growth in recent years.
Moving on to a few operator updates, ALG paid their contractual rent obligation with no deferral concession for January and February in a timely manner, and we expect the same for March. ALG is continuing to work towards exercising their purchase options, but we don't have a formal timeline as they are still evaluating financing opportunities. We received $4.3 million from Prestige during the fourth quarter related to retroactive Medicaid payments they received. The security we now hold of approximately $5 million, combined with their current pay, should allow us to receive full contractual interest through at least the end of this year. Occupancy in this portfolio increased 740 basis points from January of last year to January of this year. For our portfolio of 15 properties subject to market-based rent resets, we received $3.7 million in rent in 2024 and expect that to increase to $4.8 million in 2025.
We expect all 2025 lease maturities to be addressed by the end of the second quarter and also are actively working on 2026 maturities. Next year, we have about $19 million in annualized GAAP rental income maturing, including with two operators in our top 10, to make up 89% of that $19 million. One operator is expected to renew. The other has informed us that for strategic reasons, they do not plan to renew. We are actively negotiating offers to sell the seven skilled nursing centers that make up this portfolio. Based on feedback we're receiving from potential buyers, we believe that we will fully replace the $8.3 million of annualized GAAP rent for this portfolio by strategically redeploying the capital received from these sales at rates available to us today. We expect to complete the transactions in the fourth quarter of this year.
To summarize, LTC is in one of the best positions for accretive growth that it has been for a while. We have made tremendous progress in diversifying our portfolio, shoring up our balance sheet, and importantly, adding a new investment structure that should become a mainstay for growth. Thank you all for joining us today. We look forward to talking to you again next quarter to discuss our first quarter results. Operator, we're now ready to take questions.
Operator (participant)
Certainly. At this time, we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. Your first question for tonight is from Austin Wurschmidt with KeyBanc Capital Markets.
Hey, and good morning. I was wondering if you could just provide some additional detail about who the operator is that they've noticed that they don't intend to renew, and then share a little bit more around, I guess, the sale and redeployment of proceeds and what the timeline of that looks like. I'm not sure I caught everything in the prepared remarks. Thanks.
Clint B. Malin (Chief Investment Officer)
Sure, not a problem, Austin. So this operator has decided to downsize their organization, and they've made a strategic decision to exit the states where we have the properties in the portfolio. So the assets they cover, and we have credit enhancements to secure rent is paid through the maturity. This is a process we've gone through. It's consistent with our historical recycling of capital on older skilled assets. And this is a strategic decision to recycle capital and sell into a strong market for private buyers of older assets. And by doing this, we feel we're going to be able to reduce our average age of our portfolio, and we'll continue to strategically reduce exposure to skilled nursing.
We think that the timing of this sale and our interest in RIDEA line up well, and we think that by the end of the year, we'll be able to execute on these transactions. With the rates available to us today, we think we'll be able to replace the income. This is something similar to our previous maturity with Brookdale, where we demonstrated our ability to transition assets, whether through sales or releasing, to go ahead and recover, or in the case of Brookdale, recover more income than they were under the existing Brookdale lease.
You think given where you can sell those assets today, that you can redeploy that into SHOP on an earnings-neutral basis? Did I hear you correctly?
Correct. Yes.
Okay, that's helpful. And then in the prepared remarks, you guys referenced that you expect a neutral earnings impact from the transition from triple-net to RIDEA. Is that accounting for taking on the CapEx as well for those assets? And can you share what the yield is on in-place NOI for the $150-$200 million that are initially being transitioned? Thank you.
Cece Chikhale (SVP)
Yeah, it does. Often, it takes into account the expected one-time expenses related to setting up a platform, like establishing a database and all of that. As far as the in-place yield, about 8%.
That's helpful. That's all for me. Thank you.
Clint B. Malin (Chief Investment Officer)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Your next question is from John Kilichowski with Wells Fargo.
John Kilichowski (VP Equity Research)
Thank you. Good morning.
I'll start with the conversions in the pipeline. Sorry, the echo is getting to me a little bit. What percentage of your portfolio by the end of 2025 or maybe run rate do you expect to be shop versus net lease?
Clint B. Malin (Chief Investment Officer)
Well, I think with the conversion that Pam spoke about in her prepared remarks, we're currently about 50/50 right now. I think you're going to see that over time, that's going to continue to increase more weighted towards shop.
John Kilichowski (VP Equity Research)
Okay. And then maybe just trying to think about building out, preparing to SHOP for the platform. For some of your net lease tiers, we've had discussions. They're like, "Oh, we're not prepared, at least internally." What should we expect on the G&A side as you prepare to bring on the SHOP operating platform?
Cece Chikhale (SVP)
After we establish the platform, we'll give you a run rate on that increased G&A. But right now, as we said in our prepared remarks, we expect the increase in NOI from the SHOP portfolio to offset those expenses this year.
John Kilichowski (VP Equity Research)
Got it. Okay. Thank you.
Clint B. Malin (Chief Investment Officer)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Your next question is from Juan Sanabria with BMO.
Juan Sanabria (Analyst)
This is Robin Hanlon sitting in for Juan. Just curious if you could elaborate on those tenants that are interested in the RIDEA conversion, and could you share details on coverage versus overall portfolio for potential tenants in mid-transition?
Clint B. Malin (Chief Investment Officer)
Sure. Well, right now, the discussions that we are having with operating companies have been very robust. And as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we've had some of the most productive conversations in recent memory in regard to RIDEA. I think this is what operators are looking for. And you see a lot of companies gravitating towards the RIDEA platform. And so this has really opened up conversations with a big part of the market that we were missing out previously by not doing RIDEA. So the business development side, we've been probably the most active on this front in the last couple of years. So the traction is tremendous, and we're really ramping up evaluating opportunities.
Juan Sanabria (Analyst)
On the pipeline, do you expect more businesses participating? What's the fee simple loan split, and what part of the pipe includes RIDEA?
Clint B. Malin (Chief Investment Officer)
Sure. Normally, we quote our pipeline for transactions under LOI. But given just the ramp-up in our underwriting, as we're going through a number of transactions, we're about $100 million. I'd say right now, that's about 50% RIDEA and about 50% loans. The majority of it is on private-pay assets. And one of the exciting things that we're hearing and talking to operators is really looking at right-sizing the relationship with capital partners. And I think that our entrance into RIDEA is well-timed, and it gives operators different optionality to work with smaller REITs to right-size that alignment of interest between capital and the operator.
Cece Chikhale (SVP)
When you look at, you're comparing triple-net and RIDEA, RIDEA really gives us a better long-term organic growth outlook than the stated 2% or CPI increases in triple-net leases. So when we're really looking at future growth for LTC, RIDEA really provides an outsized return versus a triple-net investment.
Juan Sanabria (Analyst)
On the LTC portfolio, just curious if there's any outside risks to that ability to sustain rent if Medicaid is cut under the new DC administration?
Clint B. Malin (Chief Investment Officer)
As I mentioned in prepared remarks, Prestige has done a good job growing occupancy over 740 basis points over the last year. When we structured this transaction with Prestige at the end of 2023, we gave them a long runway to be able to recover occupancy. And they've been able to accomplish that 700 basis points from January 2024 to January through December of 2024. So we're encouraged to see that. We did receive the retroactive Medicaid payment that was due us. So we're encouraged by that. And our hope is they continue to increase occupancy and improve operational performance.
Juan Sanabria (Analyst)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Your next question for today is from Rich Anderson with Wedbush.
Rich Anderson (Analyst)
Thanks. Good morning. And I hope that echo is gone. It was giving me vertigo. So in terms of where you go from here, you mentioned, Pam, $150 million-$200 million of internal transitions to RIDEA. Is there a much larger number that you think can execute? And the reason why I ask is I'm wondering when RIDEA can truly make a dent in the portfolio in terms of its influence on your growth profile. It could take a while for it to become a meaningful part of the pie chart, but maybe I'm wrong about that. So that's the question.
Cece Chikhale (SVP)
We still have the bucket of transition assets or lease-up assets, we call them. These are the leases that are currently on market-based resets. So if some of those operators wanted to transition to RIDEA, that would be a natural progression for that. But right now, we're only targeting the two that we discussed in our prepared remarks. We think most of the growth will come externally from investments through RIDEA.
Rich Anderson (Analyst)
Okay. And what's your vision three or five years from now that you think you'll get to some level, 25% RIDEA of the total pie? Do you have something like that in mind right now?
Cece Chikhale (SVP)
Senior housing, like 25% to maybe 50%, depending on the acquisition volume.
[crosstalk] Senior housing RIDEA, I mean.
Yeah. Yeah, sorry. It's predominantly what we're seeing an interest in from operators, from our customer base and new operators. We've got a lot of inbound calls from new operators that we haven't done business with in the past because they don't do triple net. So it's really opened up a big area for us to make entry into.
Clint B. Malin (Chief Investment Officer)
And also, Rich, as we talked about with you specifically about it really just opens up the opportunity set of conversations and deals that we can look at. So it really is giving us a lot more opportunities to explore.
Rich Anderson (Analyst)
Okay. Is there something about the nature of your portfolio that took this long for you to sort of go after the RIDEA structure? I mean, the law has been around since 2007, but has it not been evident just in the corner of the business that you work in that you've really needed until somewhat more recently, or I'm wondering about why now, I guess, on RIDEA.
Clint B. Malin (Chief Investment Officer)
I think a couple of things. One is just lessons learned through the pandemic, and we participated on the downside in a Triple-Net lease, but it was hard to recover and participate in the upside, and then just looking at deal flow and pricing cap rates of where we can execute on, so the culmination of what we went through the pandemic and then just being able to look at opportunities to invest and where that growth is. It's really RIDEA to be able to invest at those cap rates.
Cece Chikhale (SVP)
And meeting the demand. I mean, in all of our meetings with operators, this is what they want, and this is what they're requesting. And for so long, we said, "No, no, no." And in a strategic planning meeting, as we're sitting around saying, "Well, why are we saying no?" I mean, because it is a big undertaking. I mean, I don't want to diminish the efforts of everyone here at LTC. We're a small company to put this platform in place and do it right. But we're fully committed to it once we evaluate it and said, "Yep, this is the best path forward for LTC for future growth.
Clint B. Malin (Chief Investment Officer)
It's really.
Rich Anderson (Analyst)
Okay.
Clint B. Malin (Chief Investment Officer)
We've been able to experience this recently, Rich, just by on the business development front of getting meetings, having conversations about opportunities. I mean, it's ramping up substantially, and that wouldn't be happening if it wasn't for RIDEA. So really, the ability to increase the pie of what we're looking at, we feel we're getting a lot of traction with this.
Rich Anderson (Analyst)
Okay. And just real quickly for you, Clint, the $8.3 million of rent that's associated with the seven-property portfolio, is there any amount of that that you're vulnerable to missing out on during 2025 as you execute the sale and redeployment? Or does the security deposits cover all that? Hello?
Cece Chikhale (SVP)
Yeah, it's on.
Clint B. Malin (Chief Investment Officer)
Oh, Rich, so we're fully expecting the operator to pay rent on the portfolio through maturity or sale of the assets.
Rich Anderson (Analyst)
When is that maturity?
Clint B. Malin (Chief Investment Officer)
January 31st.
Cece Chikhale (SVP)
26th.
Rich Anderson (Analyst)
Okay. 26th. Okay. Great. Yeah. Gotcha. Thank you very much.
Clint B. Malin (Chief Investment Officer)
All right. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Your next question is from Michael Carroll with RBC Capital Markets.
Michael Carroll (Analyst)
Yep. Thanks. I know in your prepared remarks, Pam, you kind of mentioned and you've kind of been talking about in the Q&A about building your infrastructure for your RIDEA platform. I mean, can you provide some color on what that means? I mean, how are you going to build this infrastructure? And what type of investments do you need to make to make sure you're tracking those RIDEA investments? And I don't know, are you going to be helping your operators make these types of decisions, or are you going to be letting your operators kind of run this without much advice from you?
Cece Chikhale (SVP)
It's really the database to collect all the operational information at the property level and accounting systems and some personnel. We view this as a partnership, a strategic partnership. So we'll be working with our operators. But the manager would be in charge of the day-to-day operations. That's how RIDEA works. But obviously, strategic decisions, capital improvements, and future investments that would be made together with the operator.
Michael Carroll (Analyst)
So how long does it take to build that type of database, and what type of information are you requesting your operators to give you? Is it both operational and financial information? Are you getting tour activity and other types of leading indicators from them?
Cece Chikhale (SVP)
Yeah. That type of information is crucial. The tours, the leads to conversion ratios, all of that. Yes, we will be collecting that from our operators. But that's pretty standard RIDEA information. We talk to people, industry experts, and our peers. That's the type of information they're collecting and helping. It really does help the operators to provide them information, not just in our portfolio, but what's happening in the marketplace. More information helps better inform decisions.
Michael Carroll (Analyst)
Okay. And then related to the January 2026 expiration, I mean, can you give us an idea of what the coverage ratios are on those properties or at least how it pertains to the averages that you guys quote in the supplemental?
Clint B. Malin (Chief Investment Officer)
I would say right now, we haven't given coverage by specific assets, but these assets cover, and we have strong credit enhancements on it. So the ability to collect rent for the duration of this lease is not a concern for us.
Michael Carroll (Analyst)
Okay. And then, Clint, I know for Austin's question earlier, you mentioned that the reinvestment of these proceeds were into RIDEA assets, kind of what you're kind of highlighting about your prepared remarks. Did I hear that correctly? Or when you think you can regain this $8-plus million of NOI, I mean, it's RIDEA investments, right, not debt investments or anything like that?
Clint B. Malin (Chief Investment Officer)
Primarily RIDEA. But look, it's going to be a timing of executing on the sales and then deploying that capital. And it'll be a combination probably of timing of your RIDEA investments as well as other investments we'd make, which could be loans, triple-net leases. That really goes back just to the timing. But what we see right now in the market, as far as rates available to us today, we think that we can recapture or redeploy at the same yield to retain that income in the portfolio.
Michael Carroll (Analyst)
Okay, and then just last one for me. There was a small tenant that looks like you had a short-term one-year renewal. Can you describe why it was only a one-year renewal, if there's any risk to that tenant, or are you working on a bigger renewal with them now?
Clint B. Malin (Chief Investment Officer)
The operator is looking at doing a larger financing and adding these two properties into that larger financing. So this was an accommodation to give them more time to be able to accomplish that. And the purchase option they have is based on fair market value. But as consideration for this extension, we've increased the floor for that. So really, this is a long-tenure tenant we've had in our portfolio and a combination to help them to accomplish a larger financing.
Michael Carroll (Analyst)
Okay. Great. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Your next question for today is from Omotayo Okusana with Deutsche Bank.
Omotayo Okusanya (Analyst)
Hey, guys. This is Sam on for Tayo. I was just wondering if you guys could provide some details around the circumstance leading to the restoring of accrual-based accounting for the two master leases?
Cece Chikhale (SVP)
Sure. We evaluate our leases on a quarterly basis, the leases we have on a cash basis of accounting, and with the sustained strong operational performance in these portfolios, we had a higher confidence level that we would receive contractual rent through maturity.
Omotayo Okusanya (Analyst)
Gotcha. And maybe if you guys could tell me what the tenants were and if you think this will occur again in 2025?
Cece Chikhale (SVP)
We haven't disclosed the tenants. We typically don't talk about our tenants on an individual basis. But we do have more. If your question is how many more we have on a cash basis, about 50% of our portfolio is on a cash basis, and we're evaluating that quarterly. So right now, there's none that we have that high of a confidence level that would require us to put them back on a cash basis. But we are looking at it, but possibly in 2026 and 2027, especially as you get closer to the maturity of leases and you have that higher level of confidence and insight into what you project that they'll be able to pay through maturity. That's really the crux of putting them back on a cash basis.
Omotayo Okusanya (Analyst)
Accrual.
Cece Chikhale (SVP)
I'm sorry. Accrual. Thank you. Taking them off a cash basis and putting them on accrual.
Omotayo Okusanya (Analyst)
Got it. Got it. That's all I got on my end. Thanks, guys. Appreciate the time.
Operator (participant)
We have reached the end of the question and answer session, and I will now turn the call over to Wendy for closing remarks.
Wendy L. Simpson (CEO)
Again, thank you all for joining us today. We are very excited, as you can hear, for the future of LTC, and we look forward to talking to you relative to our first quarter results in just a few short months. Have a great day.
Operator (participant)
This concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.