LSB Industries - Earnings Call - Q1 2020
May 7, 2020
Transcript
Speaker 0
Greetings, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the LSB Industries First Quarter twenty twenty Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Kristy Carver, Senior Vice President and Treasurer. Thank you.
You may begin.
Speaker 1
Thank you, Jen. Good morning to everyone. Joining me on the call today are Mark Berman, our Chief Executive Officer and Cheryl Maguire, our Chief Financial Officer. Please note that today's call will include forward looking statements and because these statements are based on the company's current intent, expectations and projections, they are not guarantees of future performance. A variety of factors could cause the actual results to differ materially.
As this call will include references to non GAAP results, please reference the press release in the Investors section of our website, lsbindustries.com, for further information regarding forward looking statements and reconciliations of non GAAP results to GAAP results. At this time, I'd like to go ahead and turn the call over to Mark for opening remarks.
Speaker 2
Thank you, Christy, and good morning, everyone. We are glad that you could participate in our call this morning, and appreciate your interest in LSB Industries. Today, I'll discuss our response to the COVID-nineteen crisis, what we're seeing in our end markets, and provide you with a sense for what our second quarter has looked like so far. Then Cheryl will review our first quarter financials, discuss our current liquidity position, and provide some data points for use in thinking about our second quarter expectations. Then I'll come back to wrap up.
I'd like to start out by thanking all of our employees for their hard work and dedication in the implementation and practice of the protocols and procedures that we put in place to ensure that LSB is able to sustain operations throughout the pandemic. Their efforts not only enabled the continuity of our operations over the course of this unprecedented period of time, but they did so safely and highly effectively. In the first quarter, we were very successful in this regard, with zero recordable injuries. Additionally, in April, our El Dorado facility reached a new milestone, for two years without a lost time injury. I'm extremely proud of the team for these accomplishments, and view it as a reflection of the strong safety culture we've developed across LSB over the past several years, and that we work to continuously improve.
We were also extremely pleased with the level of production achieved by our plants, which led to an 8% year over year increase in overall sales volume, despite demand headwinds on both sides of our business. Our prior facility's UAN production increased almost 30% from the prior year first quarter, as a direct result of the new urea reactor we installed, and other work that was performed on its urea plant during the twenty nineteen fourth quarter. We also performed some optimization to El Dorado's ammonia plant for the 2019, which led to a 99% ammonia on stream rate in the 2020, and as we expected, boosted the plant's output to an average of thirteen fifty tons per day, resulting in record production volume for this period. Lastly, our Cherokee and Baytown facilities are historically most consistent facilities once again operated reliably and safely throughout the quarter. Slide three summarizes the measures we have taken to keep our employees healthy, as we've continued to operate through the COVID-nineteen outbreak.
As we announced in our press release in early April, our facilities have been designated as essential critical infrastructure in the states where we operate, based on the guidelines issued by the United States Department of Homeland Security's Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency. We have been very fortunate and grateful to have received this designation, which makes it our obligation and top priority to ensure the health and well-being of our team. As a result, we've implemented strict protocols at all of our facilities, including social distancing and regular health monitoring for our personnel, extra cleaning and disinfecting of equipment and workspaces, working from home for employees not necessary to be on-site at our plants, adjustments to the manner in which our personnel interact with delivery drivers, and restrictions and guidelines around travel, among other measures. These procedures have been working, as to date, we have had no cases of COVID-nineteen among our workforce. We will continue to be vigilant in this regard, as long as necessary, to ensure that we can keep our employees healthy.
While many states are beginning to reopen in an effort to try and improve the economy, and get back to some level of normalcy, we will not rush to bring back people that are working from home. All of our protocols that are in place, and we follow today, will continue to be in effect. We do not see any benefit to being a first mover in this regard, and we'll wait to see how others successfully implement strategies to bring people back to work. As I mentioned, we have not had one COVID nineteen case at the company, and I would like to try to keep it that way. Slide four provides an update on the state of our end markets, current demand trends for our products, and the impact the pandemic is having on them.
On the agricultural side of our business, the spring planting season is off to a good start. The USDA continues to maintain its forecast of 97,000,000 acres of corn to be planted in The US in 2020, up 8% from 2019, and if accurate, would represent a substantial increase in demand for fertilizers this year. USDA's progress report dated May 4 indicated that by the end of the preceding week, 51% of expected corn acreage had been planted, which was significantly above the previous year and historical five year average, by 2139% respectively. We view this as a strong indicator that this should be a very good spring corn planting season. One dynamic related to the corn market that represents a potential headwind is the weakened demand for ethanol, a gasoline additive primarily made from corn.
With the nationwide COVID nineteen related shutdown, and the reduction in the number of drivers on the road, demand for gasoline and ethanol has dropped significantly. While this has yet to translate into a reduction in the USDA's forecast for corn acres planted, or demand for fertilizers, it is something we are watching closely, as it could have an impact on demand and pricing later on this year and in 2021. Demand trends for our industrial and mining products are more fluid, and we have seen softening in demand related to several industries that have been hit by the pandemic. One such industry is the automotive industry, a significant consumer of products that are produced by a number of our nitric acid customers. The major US auto manufacturers shut down production in mid March, which has been impacting nitric acid demand for several weeks.
However, they have announced that they intend to restart their assembly lines and resume some vehicle production on May 18, which should lead to some rebound in demand from their supply chain in the coming weeks. Also impacting nitric acid demand is the weakening of the housing sector, where nitric acid is used in paints, coatings, and a variety of other building materials. Additionally, the slowdown of industrial manufacturing in general has diminished consumption of power throughout The US, which has reduced the demand for industrial ammonia. Further, reduced water treatment for industrial manufacturers and municipalities has impacted our sulfuric acid volumes. While most volumes were slightly up for the month of April, as compared to April 2019, COVID-nineteen has had an impact on our expected volume growth.
So we expect to see an impact in our industrial and mining sales volumes until we see a recovery in the economy. In our mining business, we have seen reduced production, or complete closures of coal, copper, gold, iron ore, and vanadium ore mines, which has impacted both our low density ammonium nitrate and sulfuric acid sales. We are watching these trends closely, and our sales teams are working hard to pick up new business where possible. We have also shifted production towards alternative products, where we have seen demand remain robust. As indicated on slide five, our second quarter has started out well, despite the headwinds in industrial and mining that I just mentioned.
All plants operated at 100% on stream rate in April, leading to a consolidated record production month for our company. Additionally, our Pryor facility set another record in April, with the highest urea and UAN production for that facility in its history. I am extremely proud of the team for these achievements, while managing through the added complexities of COVID nineteen. April was a record for HDAN shipments, and HDAN continues to run at a very brisk pace thus far in May. Ammonia movement this spring strengthened the last week of March and throughout April.
Pricing in the Southern Plains region, where we sell ammonia out of our Pryor facility, though, continues to be impacted by the closure of the Magellan pipeline, and its effect on the distribution of ammonia in that region. UAN movement has picked up, as we have gotten deeper into the planting season, and pricing has increased approximately $20 a ton since the March. However, remains below last year's levels. Industrial and mining volumes for April were in line with 2019, of April 2019 volumes, as strong production and new business awards have helped to offset lost demand caused by COVID nineteen. If we see the expected reopening of some industrial businesses, including the automotive industry announced for mid May, we are cautiously optimistic that we would see some volume recovery in the back half of the second quarter, if that were to occur.
Before I turn over the call to Cheryl, I just wanted to give a quick update on the litigation that we've brought against Leidos, the general contractor of our El Dorado ammonia plant expansion project, that spanned from 2013 to 2016, in which we incurred substantial cost overruns. As I mentioned on our third and fourth quarter calls, we are seeking more than $100,000,000 in damages as compensation for Leidus' wrongdoing, which involved breach of contract, fraud, gross negligence, professional negligence, and negligence. The trial was scheduled to begin in April, but due to the COVID nineteen social distancing requirements, has been delayed until late September. We are looking forward to having our case heard, as we believe it has serious merits. While we can't guarantee an outcome in litigation, we are vigorously pursuing this matter and will continue to provide updates as appropriate.
Speaker 3
Thanks, Mark, and good morning. Page seven bridges our consolidated adjusted EBITDA for Q1 twenty twenty of $15,600,000 to adjusted EBITDA for Q1 twenty nineteen of $19,100,000 The year over year decline is a result of lower selling prices across all our markets. Continued elevated inventory levels for ammonia, combined with increased imports of UAN into The U. S. Over the last nine months, have continued to weigh on pricing.
The lower pricing was partially offset by favorable natural gas costs, which averaged approximately 28% below the 2019. Additionally, as Mark mentioned, production was strong for the quarter, which translated into overall higher sales volumes and lower plant costs as compared to the same period last year. Turning to Page eight, we have outlined first quarter gross profit margins for each of our market segments. This presentation excludes depreciation, amortization and turnaround expenses and therefore should represent the true underlying cash margins of each of our businesses. We have reconciled this back to gross profit as presented on the financial statements on Slide 16.
Our Ag business gross profit margins decreased 600 basis points from 14% in the 2019 to 8% in the 2020, primarily driven by lower Ag selling prices, partially offset by higher production and sales volumes and lower overall natural gas costs. Gross profit margins in our industrial and mining markets remain robust despite continued price pressure on the Tampa ammonia benchmark price. We remain focused on upgrading industrial ammonia into higher margin products like nitric acid. Upgrading ammonia to higher margin products combined with higher operating leverage from increased production more than offset the lower Tampa ammonia selling price impact. Given the uncertainty around COVID-nineteen, Page nine outlines the actions we have taken to date to preserve liquidity.
In mid March, we preemptively drew $30,000,000 on our revolver to ensure we had access to those funds. Additionally, we halted all nonessential spends until further notice, including contractor costs, training and hiring of open physicians. We have also identified $5,000,000 to $6,000,000 of capital investments not related to environmental health and safety investments that we have chosen to defer until the fourth quarter and possibly into 2021. Additionally, in April, we received a 10,000,000 loan under the federal stimulus package. The loan has allowed us to avoid laying on furloughing any employees, and we are maintaining our full employee base and keeping our plants fully operational during the pandemic.
Lastly, we had been pursuing the sale of certain non core assets that would generate additional cash after the repayment of debt of approximately 20,000,000 to $25,000,000 That process has been put on hold due to the pandemic. However, we intend to pursue the sale of those assets when market conditions become more favorable. The ongoing impact of this pandemic remains highly uncertain. As a result, we are acutely focused on managing the downside risk to our business and maintaining adequate liquidity to operate through a protracted period of market headwinds. Hopefully, this will not be the case, but we believe it to be prudent to plan as if it will.
Page 10 outlines our capital structure at the end of Q1 twenty twenty. We ended the quarter with approximately $37,500,000 in cash and $20,500,000 of availability on our revolving credit facility, giving us total liquidity of approximately 58,000,000 Total outstanding debt at quarter end was approximately $491,000,000 I would also point out that we have no maintenance covenants on our senior notes, and the earliest maturity on our debt is 2023. We also ended the quarter with outstanding preferred stock of approximately $251,000,000 including accrued and unpaid dividends. With respect to the pricing environment for 2020, please turn to Page 11. This page illustrates the average Tampa ammonia price, our average realized net selling prices for UAN and HDAN and our average cost of natural gas for the second quarter and compares that to the current Tampa ammonia price and average selling prices based on forward sales of product or current spot market sales prices and the current average natural gas prices we are paying or have hedged.
As you can see from this slide, HDAN pricing and Tampa ammonia pricing for the 2020 is in line with the 2019. And on a positive note, we have 75% of our gas needs locked in for the second quarter at approximately 1.9 per MMBtu, which is over 20% lower than the 2019. UAN pricing, however, continues to be challenged as net imports into The U. S. Over the past nine months are up over 485,000 tons versus the same period a year earlier.
As a result, we expect pricing to average approximately $160 a tonne for the second quarter as compared to approximately $200 a tonne a year ago. As Mark mentioned, we operated very well in April and set several new company records with respect to production and shipments. For the second quarter, we expect overall higher agricultural volumes driven by higher production, primarily for UAN, to partially offset volume drop off in our industrial and mining end markets as a result of COVID-nineteen. Additionally, we plan to continue our focus on reducing costs until we are on the other side of this pandemic. Despite the lower pricing environment and the demand implications caused by this global pandemic, we forecast adjusted EBITDA to be approximately 90% of the 2019.
We expect to partially offset selling price declines and COVID-nineteen volume impacts with increased production and strong sales volumes for ag products, coupled with lower natural gas feedstock costs and continued overall spending discipline through the cost savings efforts discussed earlier. I'll now turn it back over to Mark to wrap up.
Speaker 2
Thank you, Cheryl. We have continued to improve our business in the areas that we can control. We are focused on three key levers that will enable us to drive year over year improvement in financial results, despite the disruptions and uncertainty created by the COVID-nineteen pandemic. It remains to be seen how and when a resolution of the crisis will occur, and the path The US economy will take as the resolution unfolds. Along with the pandemic disruption, the normal uncertainties of our business, such as weather and pricing remain outside of our control.
Despite these factors, we continue to view our ability to deliver strong performance in 2020 as very much in our control. As we discussed on our last quarter's call, we anticipate continued improvement to our on stream rates this year, which, when combined with our expanded production capacities for urea and sulfuric acid, and the absence of any scheduled turnarounds at our facilities, positions us very well to drive increased production and sales volumes in 2020. As I just mentioned, we have no scheduled turnarounds at any of our facilities this year. With the extensive work we completed at our Pryor facility during the 2019, this facility's next turnaround is scheduled for 2021. Cherokee and El Dorado are now on three year turnaround cycles, with the next turnaround scheduled in 2021 and 2022, respectively.
I've discussed previously that in order to capitalize on our higher expected production volumes, we've been ramping up our sales and marketing efforts in recent quarters. Recently, we secured two new contracts for sales of LDAN, and executed a new long term contract to sell CO2 out of our El Dorado facility, where our customer will build a guest plant. The sale of CO2 will begin in the second half of next year. We continue to have discussions on additional long term sales agreements, as well as exploring options to upgrade to products with improved margins. Lastly, regarding our margin enhancement investments, in March, we completed a key storage project that allows us to produce more annual product, and to position that product during the off season to sell in season at higher selling prices.
Given the COVID-nineteen uncertainties, we've slowed our progress on certain projects until greater visibility emerges for our industrial end markets, which we expect will become clearer in the second half of this year. Ultimately, when we have completed all of our planned projects, which we anticipate we will do in the next twelve months, we expect to have added an incremental 6 to $7,000,000 of annual EBITDA at current prices. We are in highly unusual and unprecedented times. And as always, our top priority is the health and safety of our employees, their families, friends, coworkers, and everyone in our communities. With that said, while significantly hampered by the pandemic, The US economy continues to operate in order to supply our citizens with essential goods and services, and we are proud and grateful to be part of that.
Eventually, our economy will be back to a level of normalcy, although it is impossible to say when. Regardless of the timing of that recovery, we continue to expect that we will deliver year over year improvement in EBITDA and cash flow for the full year of 2020. I'd like to say that our hearts go out to all of those who have been sickened by the virus, especially to those that have lost loved ones. And we'd like to thank all of the healthcare workers and first responders that have put their lives on the line to protect others. As a born and raised New Yorker, I am constantly thinking about the people in that hard hit area, and hoping that things get better for all of you soon.
That concludes our prepared remarks, and we will now be happy to take your questions. Thank you.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question comes from the line of Joe Mondillo with Sidoti and Company. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 4
Hi, Mark. Hi, Sheryl. Hope you're doing well.
Speaker 2
Good morning, Joe. Thank So
Speaker 4
my first question related to the industrial mining side of the business. Don't talk about it, you know, as much as the ag side, but just given the, you know, the downturn in that cyclical portion of the economy, you made some comments regarding it. I'm just more so curious in sort of what the potential effects to the company's profits could be, and I know there's a lot of variables that are uncertain, you know, specifically, you know, how much do volumes decline. But could you give us an idea, maybe relative to slide eight where you talk about the gross margins, they were up year over year in the first quarter. How are you thinking about,
Speaker 2
I guess,
Speaker 4
margin profile? And I guess we can make our assumptions based on the volumes you did last year on how we think those will play out.
Speaker 3
Sure, Joe. Okay. So when we're looking at the margins for industrial in the first quarter, keep in mind that, you know, we really didn't start feeling the impact of COVID nineteen until probably the March. And so the impact from lost volumes was probably $1,000,000 or less, I would say, to the full quarter. Going forward looking into April and May, we're probably trending around $1,000,000 to a bit more per month.
So the total impact to the second quarter from the volume decline is probably close to 3,000,004 million If you think about margins in the first quarter for industrial and mining, Tampa was down but we had much higher operating leverage. Production and they were a big contributor to lower fixed cost per ton and gas was lower. So those two things combined with upgrading more ammonia into nitric acid really helped to drive the industrial margins in the first quarter.
Speaker 2
Joe, mean, we'd love to provide a little bit more color, but I think as we sit here today, it's kind of hard for us to look out and know what the impact to the third or the fourth quarter is unless we know if the economy is gonna when it's gonna come back, and is it a v shaped return or is it a u shaped return. Right?
Speaker 4
Right. And most of your contracts on that side are cost plus. Right? So should the margin change that drastically?
Speaker 2
Well, yes, they're cost plus. I think volume has a big play on margins, right? So the more product we produce with the same fixed costs, there's a lot of leverage there to do that.
Speaker 4
Okay. Any any way to help us understand sort of the the decremental margins? Or I don't know. I'm just trying to understand, you know, what the downside potentially could be based on volume declines.
Speaker 2
You know, we'd we'd have to think about it and come back to you.
Speaker 5
Okay.
Speaker 4
So regarding the ag markets, CF Industries just reported last night, as I'm sure you're aware, and they sort of pointed out similar type comments that you made regarding the month of April. What was the dynamic throughout the first four months of the year? Was it that, you know, the weather was just so wet and that, you know, it just turned, more favorably in the month of April, so all pent up demand? And as you got closer to the planting season, just given uncertainty in that end market, is that what drove the demand in April? And then how are you thinking about, sort of the how the, you know, the market trends?
Because I I imagine April and May are probably gonna be pretty solid just given the trends that we saw in April and, the solid planting season. But given this whole dynamic with the economy and the ethanol side of things and the fact that if we do see a really good planting year, you could see, a very good, you know, obviously depending on maybe weather, a very good harvest at the end of the year. So you could, the, you know, the back half of the year, looking into a dynamic of, a lot of supply, and and consumption falling off with the ethanol market. So I'm just wondering if there's any other maybe dynamics or, you know, variables that may come into play that you're thinking about that could offset some of those factors or how you're thinking about it. And then I guess lastly, I know this is a long winded question, but, pricing, you know, could you see a could pricing get lower than what we've seen, you know, over the last twelve months?
Is is there is that possible?
Speaker 2
Oh, well, I'll try and remember all the questions. Sorry. But no problem. So yeah, I mean, I'm gonna answer multiple questions probably at the same time. I mean, when you think about what happened during, starting at the first of the year, we had pretty similar weather when we started off this year as we did last year.
And given what we went through last year, I think there was a nervousness in the marketplace. Was a really tough spring season last year with a lot of people jumping through hoops and a lot of logistical issues. And we started off this year seeing the same thing. So I think people got a bit nervous, all throughout the industry. We did then, the weather improved dramatically.
And I would say starting in March, we started to see really good weather, and by and large it's really continued. I think farmers really took advantage of that. As I mentioned in my prepared comments, where we are from a percentage of planting and putting corn in the ground, we're way ahead of last year and even ahead of the five year average. So, I think we've had a really good spring, and it's not just us, obviously, it's everyone in the industry. And I think that'll continue.
The USDA did come out with, revised, planting acres for corn at 97,000,000. Others in the industry have talked about 92 to 95,000,000. I don't disagree with that. I think 97 might be a bit aggressive, but we'll find out later this month when the USDA comes out with their monthly report. That being said, it's gonna be a good corn planting season.
So we'll have a lot of harvested acres. We'll have probably stock to use ratios that are higher than historical norms. And maybe stock to use ratios up to or hovering around 25%. If something doesn't happen to offset the lack of demand on ethanol, and that clearly could have an impact on the fall and the ammonia application, right, because people are already thinking about acres planted and what they're going to plant, and then in the spring. I think all of that could, if that were to occur, what's the downside here is that you get three fifty million to four fifty million bushels of corn demand down, so we lost that from the lack of demand from the ethanol industry.
And you could see pressure on corn prices, which we've already seen some pressure on corn prices as the near term is around $3 and out towards the end of the year is $3.33 40. And that would obviously have an impact on fertilizer prices, right? So there'd be a ripple effect. So we'll see if the government comes up with, there's talk that the government is discussing stimulus packages for the ethanol industry. There was also talk of Chinese commodity purchases.
And so those, either of those, or less corn acres planted down from 97,000,000, would offset any ethanol headwinds. That's kind of the dynamic, but I can't tell you how it's going to play out.
Speaker 4
Right. What are you what are you seeing, as far as the import the imports coming into the country and how that's, affecting, supply and pricing?
Speaker 2
Well, ran pretty heavy. The fertilizer year starts on July 1, so July 1 through March, let's say. I don't think I have the most recent April data, but imports were ahead for UAN in particular. Ammonia, not so much. Urea, I think they were fairly similar or slightly down.
So imports of UAN really had an impact on UAN prices, and most of the increase in imports, as we've discussed on earlier calls, is really driven by the European tariffs that were implemented last October. And so there was more product. But I would say in what we've seen and heard about April, and so far in May, is imports have really been curtailed. So they're down pretty significantly versus the level of imports that were coming in for the first nine months.
Speaker 4
Okay. Couple questions on operations. First off, in terms of the turnaround, you spent $13,000,000 in 2019 on turnaround, so we'll see that as a savings or as a as a positive for this year. What about productivity and, you know, any overhead absorption that's lost in those turnarounds? Is there additional savings on top of that 13,000,000 that you would see on the comparison?
Speaker 2
Well, wouldn't call it savings. What I would say is that by not having turnarounds and the plant being down, you're gonna absorb costs better, right? Because you're producing during those times. In addition to having little to no turnaround costs for this year, a turnaround expense for this year, we should see our cost per ton lowered as we're able to spread those costs over more production tons.
Speaker 4
Okay. And, I mean, you were down, I think, for was it the was it I can't remember if it was the prior plan or El Dorado. You were down sixty plus days. I mean, I would assume, you know, lost corp cost absorption is pretty significant. Any way to quantify that at all?
Or I don't know if you have that.
Speaker 2
I would agree. It's it was very significant, and I don't think we have numbers that we could quantify it here.
Speaker 3
I mean, just at a real high level, Joe, if you think about prior, running about six fifty, six seventy five tons a day over sixty sixty five days. I mean, there's some significant higher production, that we would expect coming out of the Pryor facility this year as compared to last year.
Speaker 2
And that's ammonia.
Speaker 3
And that's ammonia. Yep.
Speaker 4
Right. Okay. And just in terms of the plant operations overall, I mean, it sounds like, they are running really well. I mean, compared to a few years ago, you guys have made so much progress. But, you know, relative to the quarter and what you said within the quarter, but then also April, I think you stated, all three are earning at a 100%.
How much, you know, if if this is consistent throughout the year, and I I know I don't wanna jinx you or anything, but compared to last year, what, you know, how significant would that be to profitability relative to what you ran at last year? Any way to think about that?
Speaker 2
Well, last year, Michelle, correct me if I'm wrong, we ended the year at, either 91 or 92% on stream.
Speaker 3
91, yep.
Speaker 2
Our target, that we laid out, last quarter is 94% for this year. So, you know, just again, by virtue of, even if we just held fixed costs, and we had better on stream and capacity utilization out of the plants, we're going to obviously have significantly higher margins of profitability off of that at each marginal ton that we produce right over what we've produced with the same fixed cost. Really all you're incurring is the variable cost and not the fixed cost. So, yeah, it's extremely, I mean, when you, the object is to run any chemical plant the highest on stream and capacity utilization you can because you've got tremendous operating leverage given the fixed costs that you have.
Speaker 4
Okay. And last question from me. Regarding the margin enhancement projects. Could you just, I I know you stated it, but I I sort of missed it. What your expectation is for savings this year relative to those?
And then also regarding that c o two opportunity, how big of an opportunity is that? I know you said, I think, second half of next year maybe, but I'm just curious of what kind of an opportunity of, you know, dollar wise that could be.
Speaker 2
Yeah. So the first part, on the margin enhancement projects, we've talked about the kind of returns that we expect from them. I think I said that when fully operational, it'll be 6,000,000 to $7,000,000 of additional EBITDA on an annualized basis. We would expect that we would finish those projects within the next twelve months. The CO2 project is one of those projects, so we are moving forward with that.
As I said, we completed another project which was 20,000 tons of additional storage, positioning product to take advantage of that storage. Those projects generally have payback periods, not IRRs of two to two and a half years, so they're really high margin, high profitability, high return projects. The CO2 contract that we signed, taking a step back, at thirteen fifty tons per day of production at a high capacity utilization rate. We probably produce about 450,000 tons a year of ammonia out of El Dorado. Call it a similar amount of CO2 that we produce.
I'll say that we've got the ability to sell maybe 400,000 tons of CO2, and so this would initially be a contract for about a quarter of that. Know, call it maybe a million dollars a year of additional EBITDA starting in the second half of next year.
Speaker 4
Okay. And the 6 to 7,000,000 accounts for a full 100% sale of the CO2? Okay.
Speaker 0
25%.
Speaker 2
No. That's that's just, the CO two that we're selling pursuant to this contract. So we would still have 75% of the available CO two to sell if we could sell it.
Speaker 4
So just to clarify, the 6 to $7,000,000 of savings regarding margin enhancement, that only accounts for 20 the the this contract, that's, you know, 25% of your c o two exhaustion?
Speaker 2
Yes.
Speaker 4
Okay. Alright. Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. Good luck with everything, and be well and safe.
Speaker 2
Thank you. You too. Thank you.
Speaker 0
Next question comes from the line of JP Gagan with Global Value Investment Corp. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 6
Hey, good morning and thank you for your time. Done a really nice job plant improvement as evidenced by high on stream rates in your high production volumes. Recognizing that efficiency as measured by adjusted gross margin is largely affected by production volumes and capacity utilization. Can you discuss additional opportunities to achieve further efficiencies? And I know you've touched on a lot of these in the past, procurement, logistics, your consulting engagements, your margin enhancement projects.
But can you put that all into perspective?
Speaker 2
I can talk about some of the opportunities we have. I don't know that I can talk about dollars that that translates to. So we still continue to, you know, we have a real focus on, continuous improvement. And I think I'm a big believer that every day you wake up, you can do something a little bit better. And so I think throughout the company, we're looking at lots of opportunities, whether it's cost reductions, because we can be more efficient in certain operations or ways that we do things, whether we can procure product in a more cost effective way, whether we can utilize outside contractors more efficiently, whether we can figure out ways to reduce or hedge against gas costs.
So there's lots of opportunity throughout the company that we're reviewing today. The other thing is it's great to talk about expansion CapEx or expanding production, but I do think that we have a lot of opportunity to optimize what we have today. And that doesn't cost a lot of dollars. It's more rolling up your sleeves and really understanding how to fine tune the equipment and the plants that you have today. And so I think you'll continue to see that as we move along, that we'll be able to, I'll call it squeeze more production out of the facilities and the plants that we have today, which again, when you're talking about an extra 10 tons a day, 50 tons a day in certain circumstances, it's high margin production because you've got the fixed costs that are sitting there and really you're just talking about the variable cost against that production.
Speaker 6
Okay. We've seen disruptions in the ammonia supply network in the past that have normalized after a period of time. I'm curious what you've observed following the shutdown of the Magellan pipeline and how long you might affect or expect the effects of that to weigh on prices?
Speaker 2
Yes, interesting question. If you look at the Magellan pipeline, there were three main users on that pipeline, and that's pretty public on who they are. That pipeline was utilized to transport ammonia up the pipeline into storage locations and either offload there or position product in storage. That shutting down has really forced some of our competitors to really develop alternative distribution methods for distributing that ammonia. And I think has also allowed Coke to really think at their ENIT facility in particular that they're going to expand their urea production to utilize some of that free ammonia that they had been selling out of that facility.
I think there's a lot more trucks that are being used, so the truck market's pretty tight in the Southern Plains market. Any time you have a tight truck market, you're also gonna see higher transportation costs. So it's had an impact on that. I think we're probably eighteen to twenty four months away from some of the work that's being done to handle the new methods of distribution of that ammonia for it to normalize that market.
Speaker 6
Okay. You'd mentioned a number of commercial engagements in your Industrial and Mining segments. But on your last call, you'd mentioned one particular potential commercial opportunity. Without disclosing the specifics of that, is that included in one of the commercial opportunities that you've previously mentioned or is that still under negotiation? Can you give us any specifics around the status of that?
Speaker 2
I think last call I mentioned supporting a customer on a new contract award for approximately 50,000 tons of low density ammonium nitrate. That is one of the two contracts that I referred to.
Speaker 6
Okay, thank you. And then finally, Cheryl, I think I heard you say that you have 20 or or at assets for sale that would generate twenty to twenty five million dollars of proceeds after the retirement of debt against those assets. Can you identify which assets are held for sale and or the gross
Speaker 2
Pickup. You there?
Speaker 3
Are you still there, JP?
Speaker 0
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Speaker 7
Hey. Good morning. Thanks for the time. Hope everyone's safe. Actually, if if you wouldn't mind sharing some color on the gross proceeds, from JP's question, just a quick follow on.
Yeah. If you have color on the gross proceeds, you know, the potential asset sales, which sound like have been delayed for now, but, then more color on on what the gross number could look like and if that and then just confirming that after the the debt is paid down, it would be 20 to 25,000,000 left on the balance sheet.
Speaker 2
Yeah, I think that, going back to JP's question, we don't have any assets held for sale. I mean, I think we've got one or two assets that we're exploring whether it makes sense to sell those assets and are the proceeds that receive a benefit to us or not. I think we're really only in a position to talk about the 20,000,000 or $25,000,000 of net proceeds.
Speaker 7
Got it. Okay. Thank you. Question just sort of back on operations. I know you talked a little bit about some of the challenges obviously on the industrial side, but you know, potentially partially offsetting that with either new contract wins, which I think you had talked a little bit about or, you know, maybe benefiting in some other areas of your business.
And I appreciate, Sheryl, you quantifying sort of the quarterly impact maybe to the downside of lower industrial volumes. But is there any way you can maybe share a bit of color on where specifically some of that offset may be coming or quantify what that offset could look like over the next couple of months and quarters?
Speaker 2
Well, I mean, one shift is to sell more agricultural products. Right? So some more fertilizer in a in a pretty robust marketplace right now, so we're obviously, we've got the flexibility in our facilities to shift production to that. I think the other is, you know, we do sell some other industrial products that are not, have not really lost any demand. And so, to the extent we can shift products, or production to those products, we've done that as well.
Speaker 7
Awesome. Thank you. Just on free cash flow, I know you talked about, in your press release, you know, or the the plan to defer some CapEx to maybe later this year. I can appreciate that, you know, there are lot of moving pieces. Just wondering how you were thinking about, you know, free cash flow for the year.
You know, do you see that above breakeven levels? And then, you know, as we progress into 2021, just the trajectory of, you know, your free cash flow items. Again, I can appreciate you've got, you the 10,000,000 loan to help, preserve payment, and you've got, you know, like you said, the 20 to 25,000,000 that could come, get put on the balance sheet down the road, but hoping to get a little bit better picture around, free cash flow trajectory for business? Thanks.
Speaker 3
So, yeah, I think, you know, that's certainly our expectation, you know, assuming we return to some level of normalcy in the 2020, you know, reflects our original thinking. But as Mark said in his comments, we see a potential headwind in ethanol demand. So we're certainly watching that. Any We haven't assumed any sale or any proceeds from some of the assets. That's not included in how we're thinking about it but we certainly are it is going to depend on what the second half of the year looks like.
Speaker 2
As we sit here today, assuming that we have, as Cheryl said, kind of a return to normalcy of the economy and we don't have and somehow we don't have tremendous ethanol headwinds, we would still anticipate being cash flow positive. And that's without the obviously, without an asset sale.
Speaker 7
Awesome. That's great. Yes, let's hope for that. Just a last question, on the Leidos case, which I, you can appreciate that I'm potentially misunderstanding a piece of this, but, I know I understand it's been put on hold really until September. But just wondering if LSB does get a favorable ruling in that case that has, you know, some portion of the damages getting paid back to you or returned to you, could those damages get paid all at once?
Is there sort of a delay from determination to when LSB would actually, you know, get awarded some damages? Or, you know, would those damages ultimately get paid after, you know, an appeal is made or or things like that? Just wondering, again, moving pieces, looking at potential upside risk to to cash flow from the Lighthouse case. But again, appreciate that it's, you know, a lot of moving pieces and probably can't speak to everything there.
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, so as is with any lawsuit, I mean, it can go in a lot of different directions. Right? So we could win an award. Leidos can absolutely appeal that, and we go to appeal before there was any actual dollars paid out.
There could be a settlement in the middle. I mean, there's lots of different ways that it could transpire. So I think for myself, I'm just anxious to to finally try this. We were ready to try this in April and anxiously awaiting doing that. And then obviously, the pandemic broke out.
So I think we're set now for September 21, I think is the date. And I hope, you know, we're in better shape as a country, and we're kinda past, you know, most of, the shutdowns in the pandemic. And we're able to to try that case because I think we have a really solid case.
Speaker 7
Really appreciate the color today.
Speaker 2
Thanks everyone and stay safe. Sure, you as well. Thanks.
Speaker 0
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Speaker 5
Good morning. Just a few questions. With the delay
Speaker 6
in the Leidos case, are you going
Speaker 5
to be still spending the same amount on a quarterly basis for the next couple of quarters?
Speaker 2
No.
Speaker 5
Do you have any guidance on what that spending will be? Or is it going to zero?
Speaker 3
There probably will be a little bit in April, probably, I'd say less than $500,000 and that should taper down to pretty well zero through the back half of the third quarter when we start to ramp up a little bit to go to trial.
Speaker 5
Okay, perfect. The PPP loan, the 10,000,000, is that a grant or is that a loan?
Speaker 2
It is initially a loan. And whether it's a grant or not is whether we meet guidelines set out by the government and whether the government approves that. Remains to be seen as I think the guidelines continue to shift.
Speaker 5
Okay. So that's TBD? Yep. All that. Perfect.
Just a point of clarification, 2019 adjusted EBITDA, that already excluded your turnaround costs, correct?
Speaker 2
Yes.
Speaker 5
Okay. Just want to clarify that. And then I know the potential asset sales are something down in the future, but with those are you targeting EBITDA producing assets or non EBITDA producing
Speaker 2
That's a really good question. How do I put it? Yes, it would some impact to EBITDA.
Speaker 5
Okay. Great. That's all I got. Thank you.
Speaker 2
Thanks so much.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's question and answer segment. I would like to turn the floor back to management for closing comments.
Speaker 2
Well, I really appreciate everyone's interest in LSB Industries. Hopefully, you see that we're making some progress in the business, both operationally and in other areas of our business. And, we appreciate your interest and stay safe. Thank you.
Speaker 0
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