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    Q2 2024 Earnings Summary

    Reported on Jan 10, 2025 (After Market Close)
    Pre-Earnings Price$94.62Last close (Jul 30, 2024)
    Post-Earnings Price$93.99Open (Jul 31, 2024)
    Price Change
    $-0.63(-0.67%)

    What went well

    • Strong Growth in Concert Attendance and Demand: Amphitheater attendance was up 40% in Q2 , with arenas, theaters, and clubs all up double digits. Despite fewer stadium shows this year, the company expects continued growth in fan count into the second half of the year , indicating robust consumer demand.
    • Ticketmaster's Robust Performance and International Expansion: Ticketmaster's Adjusted Operating Income (AOI) in Q2 was as high as last year despite fewer stadium shows, making it one of the top 5 quarters in its history. The platform is adding clients internationally, maintaining strong renewal rates, and increasing upsells and ancillary spend with ad units.
    • Promising Outlook for 2025 with High Growth Expected: The stadium pipeline for 2025 is bigger now than it was two years ago for 2023. The amphitheater and arena pipeline is also larger than the previous year. The company anticipates a return to 8%-9% compounded annual growth in the industry on the top line , suggesting strong future performance.

    What went wrong

    • Reduced stadium shows in 2024 are impacting international fan counts and Ticketmaster's growth, leading to lower growth in high-margin ticketing revenues.
    • The ongoing Department of Justice investigation could pose legal and strategic risks to the company, potentially affecting future M&A opportunities and capital allocation.
    • Increased capital expenditures for venue development may strain free cash flow, and returns on growth CapEx are uncertain over the short term, potentially impacting financial performance.

    Q&A Summary

    1. Attendance Trends and Demand
      Q: How are attendance trends and consumer demand shaping up?
      A: Demand remains extremely strong, with attendance growth driven by venue types rather than geography. Amphitheater attendance is up 40% in Q2. Tour cancellations are at historical norms of 4%-5% of shows. We expect continued fan growth into the second half, especially in Q4.

    2. Post-COVID Demand Normalization
      Q: Is there a pull forward in demand post-COVID that's normalizing?
      A: We don't see a pull forward effect; rather, demand continues to grow. We're still increasing show and fan counts despite fewer stadiums this year. The industry is expected to grow at a 9%-10% annual rate, with globalization and strong supply-demand fundamentals.

    3. 2025 Touring Pipeline
      Q: How is the 2025 touring pipeline shaping up?
      A: 2025 looks to be a big year, with our stadium pipeline larger than it was two years ago for 2023. Amphitheater and arena pipelines are also bigger than last year. We expect continued growth in stadiums and the industry returning to an 8%-9% compounded annual growth.

    4. Ticketing Performance Outlook
      Q: What is the outlook for ticketing performance, considering stadium activity?
      A: Ticketmaster is expected to have mid-single-digit growth this year, driven by Q4 on-sales. One stadium show equals triple the fan count and average ticket price of an amphitheater show. The reduced stadium activity impacts ticketing in Q2 and Q3, but we expect a strong Q4.

    5. CapEx Guidance and Free Cash Flow
      Q: How does higher CapEx guidance affect free cash flow conversion?
      A: We're now expecting 14 major venues to open between 2024-2025, up from 12. The free cash flow conversion remains consistent, as the cash conversion we use is after maintenance CapEx and before growth CapEx. We continue to look for opportunities with a 20%+ return profile.

    6. DOJ Lawsuit Impact
      Q: Is the DOJ lawsuit impacting strategic decisions or capital allocation?
      A: It's business as usual; the legal team handles the DOJ, while divisions focus on operations. We're expanding globally, with 15 venues coming online next year and 75 in the pipeline. Recent expansions include ticketing in South Africa.

    7. Concert Margins and AOI Growth
      Q: What is the outlook for concert margins and AOI growth?
      A: Q3 is typically our high-water mark on margins due to festivals and amphitheaters. We expect margins moving back towards 2019 levels on a full-year basis. Concerts are expected to carry significant growth for the company this year.

    8. Ticketmaster Take Rate Improvements
      Q: What factors are driving Ticketmaster's higher take rate?
      A: Ticketmaster continues to perform well, adding clients internationally and improving upsells and ancillary revenue. The AOI in Q2 was as high as last year despite fewer stadium shows.

    9. Sponsorship Revenue and Margins
      Q: What's driving sponsorship growth and margin dynamics?
      A: Sponsorship remains a 60%+ margin business. We expect similar margins over the year and historical AOI growth in the teens. We're upgrading deals from local to national, integrating larger, long-term relationships with major brands.

    10. CapEx Returns Calculation
      Q: Can we forecast growth CapEx returns using a 30% benchmark?
      A: It's an oversimplification to apply a 30% return directly to growth CapEx differences. Returns vary, and major projects have complexities over multiple years. We strive for 20%+ returns on major renovations and new builds, with 30%+ on tactical improvements.

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