MFA Financial - Q2 2023

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Operator (participant)

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to MFA Financial announces second quarter 2023 earnings. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode, and later we will conduct a question-and-answer session, with instructions being given at that time. Should you require assistance during the conference, please press star and then zero, and an operator will assist you offline. As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded, and I will now turn the conference over to our host, Mr. Hal Schwartz. Please go ahead, sir.

Hal Schwartz (SVP, General Counsel, and Secretary)

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. The information discussed on this conference call today may contain or refer to forward-looking statements regarding MFA Financial Inc, which reflect management's beliefs, expectations, and assumptions as to MFA's future performance and operations. When used, statements that are not historical in nature, including those containing words such as will, believe, expect, anticipate, estimate, should, could, would, or similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements.

All forward-looking statements speak only as of the date on which they are made. These types of statements are subject to various known and unknown risks, uncertainties, assumptions, and other factors, including those described in MFA's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2022, and other reports that it may file from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

These risks, uncertainties, and other factors could cause MFA's actual results to differ materially from those projected, expressed, or implied in any forward-looking statements it makes. For additional information regarding MFA's use of forward-looking statements, please see the relevant disclosure in the press release announcing MFA's second quarter 2023 financial results. Thank you for your time. I would now like to turn this call over to MFA's CEO and President, Craig Knutson.

Craig Knutson (President and CEO)

Thank you, Hal. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us here today for MFA Financial's second quarter 2023 earnings call. Also with me today are Steve Yarad, our CFO, Gudmundur Kristjansson and Bryan Wulfsohn, our Co-Chief Investment Officers and other members of senior management. The interest rate environment in the second quarter of 2023 was another volatile one, with rates grinding higher for most of the quarter. Two year Treasuries were below 4% early in the second quarter after rallying in the aftermath of the banking crisis in March. However, as the fear of additional banking fallout began to fade, the bond market finally seemed to capitulate and began to take Fed Chair Powell's consistent message to heart.

We don't hear so much about the false optimism of a rate cut later this year, and bond yields, particularly two years, moved higher throughout the quarter to reflect this reality. Two year Treasuries ended the quarter almost 100 basis points higher, and the two to 10 year inversion widened from about 50 basis points at the beginning of the quarter to about 100 basis points at the end of the quarter. This inverted curve, together with general interest rate volatility, continued to make levered investing in fixed income and in mortgages in particular, very challenging. That said, MFA's risk management discipline and strategic initiatives have enabled us to weather this storm extraordinarily well.

Our net interest rate spread increased by 40 basis points from 1.74-2.14 during the second quarter, despite this challenging backdrop, as we have for several quarters now, effectively locked in our funding costs through securitization and interest rate swaps. The yield on our interest-earning assets increased by 41 basis points, while our interest expense increased by only 1 basis point. We added almost $1 billion of new investments in the second quarter as we continue to add assets at progressively higher yields. Our distributable earnings for the second quarter was $0.40, which comfortably exceeded our $0.35 dividend. Our book value was off modestly in the second quarter, but this should not be a big surprise as we have consistently communicated that our net portfolio duration gap has been about one.

This duration exposure led to a book value increase in the first quarter and to a book value decline in the second quarter, and we generated a total economic return for the first half of the year of 2%. As we illustrate on Page 10 of our earnings deck, our book value is driven overwhelmingly by the higher interest rate impact on the fair value of our loan portfolio, which is marked at a substantial discount to par. Despite the fact that the fair value of these loans is below par, the principal that we receive, whether through payoffs, curtailments, or simply scheduled monthly principal payments, are received at par. We're very pleased with our portfolio credit metrics as we saw loan delinquencies decline during the second quarter in each of our major asset classes.

The substantial seasoning of much of this portfolio and current LTV of 59% provide a solid credit backstop that supports the expectation that this principle will be repaid at par. Although the future interest rate outlook is far from certain, it appears that the Fed is at or at least near to the end of the rate tightening cycle, and the consensus at this point seems to be that the Fed will hold rates steady for at least the next few quarters to give the economy and markets the necessary time to feel the cumulative impact of 525 basis points of tighter monetary policy. Fortunately, we continue to benefit from the hard work we did in late 2021 and early 2022, which effectively fixed our funding costs, while we now have attractive investment opportunities to add new assets at very accretive yields.

As we show on Page 7 of our earnings deck, very few of our $3 billion of interest rate swaps mature before the fourth quarter of 2024. Finally, our wholly owned business purpose loan originator, Lima One, continues to shine, producing successively higher volume levels of high yielding and high-quality assets. We cannot emphasize enough the inimitable value that this captive originator delivers to MFA shareholders. Not only does it provide a steady and substantial source of internally generated assets, the significance of the integrated nature of this arrangement is evident in loan performance. One of the underappreciated benefits of a captive originator versus a more broad and fragmented aggregator strategy is that Lima One underwrites these loans, they service the loans, they manage the construction draws, and most importantly, they have a relationship with the borrowers.

This is not to suggest that loans will not go delinquent. This is always a risk, but we uniquely control our own outcome, and there is no conflict of interest between the originator, servicer, and the investor because we all live under the same roof. I'll now turn the call over to Gudmundur to talk about portfolio activity and additionally, about Lima One.

Gudmundur Kristjansson (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

Thanks, Craig. Second quarter acquisitions increased by approximately 60% compared to the first quarter, as we added approximately $1 billion of loans and securities and grew our investment portfolio by 5% to about $8.9 billion. Business purpose and non-QM loans accounted for a majority of our acquisitions at approximately $900 million. These loans had an average coupon of approximately 9.5% and a strong credit profile, with average LTV of 68% and average FICO of 734. We also continued to execute on our Agency MBS strategy and added about $100 million of Agency MBS in the quarter.

That portfolio now stands at about $400 million, and as we discussed last quarter, we believe that Agency MBS yields and spreads are attractive here on a stand-alone basis, but that they also provide risk management benefits to our credit-focused portfolio by improving portfolio liquidity and having the potential to perform well during periods of economic softness. Given current financing levels, we expect that return on equity will be around mid-teens for the second quarter additions, and that continues to be the case for assets that we are adding in the third quarter. Significantly higher interest rates and wider credit spreads today compared to the late 2020 through early 2022 period, are providing us with a great opportunity to add attractive assets to our portfolio. A combination of prudent risk management and strategic decisions have put us in a position to take advantage of this environment.

First, our significant interest rate hedging activities in late 2021 and early 2022, combined with active securitizations of our whole loans, have helped us maintain substantial liquidity and a strong balance sheet. Second, our strategic acquisition of Lima One in 2021 provides us with the capacity to create high quality and high-yielding business purpose loans and size. This combination of liquidity and access to attractive assets has, in the last three quarters, allowed us to acquire about $1.9 billion of loans with an average coupon of approximately 9.5%. As Craig highlighted in his opening remarks, we are seeing the benefits of these acquisitions in our yield on interest-earning assets, which increased 41 basis points compared to the first quarter and is up 135 basis points from a year ago to 6.1% in the second quarter.

The increase in asset yield, combined with the relative stability of our funding cost, increased our portfolio spreads of 214 basis points in the second quarter, up 40 basis points compared to the first quarter, and up 77 basis points from a year ago. The economy continues to be resilient and seems to have coped well with the significant market volatility from the regional banking crisis and the debt ceiling standoff in the second quarter, with the first read on second quarter GDP coming in above expectations of 2.4%, and the labor market remaining resilient, with the unemployment rate hovering around 3.5% for the last 15 months.

The housing market has also surprised many by showing resilience in the face of higher mortgage rates, with low inventory levels proving to be a strong counterweight to low affordability. National home prices declined about 3% in the second half of last year, but the housing recession appears to be over for now, with national home prices rising about 2% year to date. These trends, combined with inflation steadily trending down, have improved the outlook for the economy in the short to the medium term and raised the probability that the Fed may be close to the end of this hiking cycle, but also that they may keep rates elevated for longer. This creates a favorable backdrop for our credit-focused portfolio, as delinquencies and loss severities are less likely to deteriorate when the labor market is strong and home prices are rising.

In addition, the current high-yielding investment environment may last longer if the Fed is about to settle in around current Fed Fund levels for some time and lets the lagged effects of monetary policy work its way through the system. Turning to Lima One. Lima One had a really strong quarter and continued to show its importance to our investment strategy. Lima originated approximately $584 million of business purpose loans in the second quarter, a 50% increase from the first quarter, and has originated about $4.3 billion of business purpose loans for our balance sheet since our acquisition two years ago. Similar to the last few quarters, the majority of origination was focused in the short-term transitional loans, which accounted for about 85% of second quarter origination.

Demand for Lima's products and services remains strong, with disruptions in the private lending space and less competition from regional banks, providing opportunities to grow market share and attract talent in the space. The third quarter is off to a good start, with July origination volume approximately $250 million, and we expect the third and fourth quarters each to have over $600 million of origination. Credit quality remains fundamental to our BPL strategy, and the credit statistics on Lima's second quarter origination remain strong, with average LTV of 66% and average FICO score of 738 on loans originated. The 60+ day delinquency rate on our BPL loans originated by Lima One remained exceptionally low at 2.2% in the second quarter.

Lima services all the loans they originate in-house and have a highly experienced construction management team that reviews all construction budgets and has an active hand in loss mitigation activities. We believe this is a huge advantage in the BPL space, which, combined with our investment strategy and credit culture, has led to excellent credit performance. I will now turn the call over to Bryan Wulfsohn, who will discuss MFA's securitization activities and portfolio credit performance in more detail.

Bryan Wulfsohn (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

Thanks, Gudmundur. The story in the securitization markets remained the same in the second quarter. Rate volatility remained elevated, which generally leads to spread widening, with the counterbalancing force being limited technical supply picture. We issued one securitization backed by non-QM collateral in the second quarter. In connection with that securitization, we sold $371 million UPB in May, prior to the rates back up in June, locking in a 6.1% cost debt.

Although we did not issue a securitization backed by transitional loans in the quarter, the two outstanding revolving deals previously issued continued to provide significant benefits, as we now have recycled over $300 million in total loans into those structures. Recently, we have seen a tightening in securitization spreads as rate volatility has calmed down and absence of supply continues to provide a tailwind.

Spreads on AAAs for recent deals in the market are closing in on the tights for the year seen earlier in January. We expect to come to market again in the third quarter and continue to believe that mortgage securitization will be an important part of our business strategy as it provides for non-recourse, non-mark-to-market financing, which will further insulate the portfolio from volatile markets. Moving to our credit performance.

We saw improvement over the second quarter across our loan portfolio. 60-plus day delinquencies in our purchase performing loans decreased 2.8% from 3.1% in the first quarter. The components of that portfolio being the non-QM, transitional loan, and SFR portfolios, all showing improvement. 60-plus day delinquencies in our legacy RPL NPL portfolio also improved by over 3 points from the prior quarter, down to 27.4%.

This improvement resulted from a combination of liquidating previously delinquent loans, as well as reviving delinquent loans back to current status through active asset management. Our asset management team has deep experience working through distressed situations to the benefit of our investors. We have now successfully worked out over $3 billion in loans, which we believe puts us in a unique position to be able to take advantage of potential opportunities, in addition to limiting losses in times of economic stress.

Prepayment speeds on our purchase performing portfolio increased moderately from the prior quarter. Our legacy RPL portfolio CPR increased almost 3% from the previous quarter, and our legacy NPL portfolio had a significant increase of over 10% to 14 CPR. These increases were expected as seasonality impacts from real estate transaction activity tends to push speeds in the spring.

Total payouts for the quarter were over $400 million, which were reinvested into loans carrying a coupon approximately 250 basis points higher. Lastly, we continue to take advantage of the strong housing market, reducing our REO portfolio, which continues to shrink as fewer properties are entering REO status and are being sold out of the portfolio. Over the quarter, we sold 95 properties for $32 million, resulting in $4 million in gains. We believe the low LTV of our portfolio, combined with prudent credit underwriting, have our portfolio well positioned for the current economic environment. With that, we'll turn the call over to the operator for questions.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please press one and then zero on your touchtone phone. You will hear an acknowledgment that you have been placed into queue, and you can remove yourself from queue at any time by repeating the one zero command. We do ask that if you're using a speakerphone, to please pick up your handset before pressing the numbers. Once again, for questions, please press one and then zero at this time. One moment, please, for our first question. I will go to the line of Bose George with KBW.

Bose George (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Hey, good morning. I actually wanted to ask you just about your duration gap that you've noted. You know, it's been a year. You know, how do you kind of arrive at that level and, you know, it versus being more neutral?

Gudmundur Kristjansson (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

Hey. Yeah. Hi, Bose. Thank you. Yeah, we've kind of been around that level for some time. You know, we tightened it up a little last year, obviously, as we mentioned, where we put on the interest rate swaps and hedges. Late 2021 and 2022, we did a lot of our hedging, as well as for securitization activities. You know, the way we've thought about it is, you know, as rates have risen, you know, it feels appropriate to, to have some duration in our portfolio. You know, most of our hedges are on the front end of the curve, so we have effectively isolated the impact.

Rising rates on a cost of funds, and that was really our emphasis to make sure that, like, we would stabilize the spread, in our cost of funds over the long term. You know, as rates are now probably reaching, you know, close to the end of the hiking cycle for the Fed, you know, it feels like you're supposed to, respect both sides of the risk here. The fact that, look, the Fed could go a little bit higher, but with inflation trending down, then we're probably at the point in time where, it, you know, the effects of economic policy, sorry, the effects of Fed policy are working its way through the system.

We think having a balanced portfolio where we hedge the front end but then have some duration that could potentially benefit from a, you know, declining rates is the right approach here. Keep in mind, a duration of one is fairly, you know, low in the context of probably the space, because keep in mind, our leverage is only about 3.9x, and so really the impact on equity is always the leverage time to duration.

Then, you know, the other thing is, you know, majority of our returns come from credit and credit exposure and, you know, credit spreads are pretty wide. In, in the, in the, in the event that the economy continues to stay resilient, we do think we have, you know, a lot of benefits from the credit side of the portfolio, which is not necessarily reflected just in the duration.

Bose George (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Okay, great. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks. Then actually just switching to just the opportunities, you know, that could arise from some of the turmoil at the banks. Can you just talk about, you know, spots where you could, you know, potentially, you know, see areas to deploy capital?

Craig Knutson (President and CEO)

Sure. We and you have heard a lot about bank capital rule changes recently and how that could open investment opportunities for mortgage rates. This is certainly possible, but I think some of that optimism is probably a little bit premature. You know, we, we see the portfolios that are described as for sale, but in, in many cases, in many cases, the sellers of prime jumbo loans with low interest rates are not willing or able to sell these pools at market prices. In addition, in most of these cases, the, the would-be bank sellers, they really want to maintain their relationship with the borrower, so their, their preference would be to retain the servicing even if they sell the loans.

This can also create challenges for a buyer, such as ourselves, who would want to use securitization as a financing strategy, because many of these banks are not set up to properly service to a securitization. Now, pricing expectations could line up with reality in the future, and obviously, the operational friction can be overcome, but this will likely take some time. Finally, I'll point out that, you know, Boz, we focused on primarily non-QM loans and business purpose loans for the last five years. You know, I think that came from a belief that these loan classes offered superior risk-adjusted investment returns.

We also identified a very strategic component of this investment strategy, and namely, that was because there was very little competition for banks for these loans. I don't, you know, I don't think it's by accident that those are the loans that we focused on. There could be, you know, there could be some opportunities going forward, but at least thus far, you know, I think there are some real challenges to, to, to banks, you know, selling loans at market prices.

Gudmundur Kristjansson (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

Boz, I would just add, as in terms of the Lima One and the kind of the, the BPL origination side, we are feeling some benefits on the margin, from a lack of competition from regional banks. You know, those, those banks definitely would compete in some of the transitional loans called, you know, fix and flip construction loans. You know, to the extent that their balance sheet is, is, is, you know, constrained, as well as potentially higher, capital requirements on them, we're, we're definitely feeling some benefits on that. I mean, it's not a transformational thing, but it, you know, on the margin, it, it's definitely making, you know, Lima's, life easier to attract, borrowers.

Bose George (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Okay, great. Thanks a lot.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Steve Delaney of JMP Securities.

Steve Delaney (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)

Good morning, everyone, and congrats on the strong distributable EPS figure of $0.40. Reading in the deck, I was, I was curious about the economic book value, you know, decline of about 5%-6%. I see you're in the deck, you're attributing that to just higher, higher interest rates. You know, we've compared to where we were in the second quarter, whichever, you know, you know where the bonds are today, better, better than I, but we're, you know, on average, we're probably up 50 basis points. I'm curious if you put any additional interest rate swaps, you know, on your, on your portfolio in the, in the last couple of months to how to try to protect book value. Thanks.

Craig Knutson (President and CEO)

Thanks for the question, Steve. In answering your question, no, we have not added additional interest rate swaps, but if we look at where the price changes were in the second quarter, I think they're exactly where you'd expect them to be. You know, the majority of loan prices that led to that book value decline were non-QM loans, which were probably down 1.75 points or so, and single-family rental loans, which were probably down about 2 points or so. You know, again, I, I don't think it's a big surprise. As, you know, as Gudmundur said, we do see the, you know, the overall interest rate risk being a little more balanced than we certainly did a year ago.

Gudmundur Kristjansson (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

Just to add to that, we performed a securitization of non-QM loans in May. We didn't take off any hedges when we executed on that securitization. The majority of the assets that we added were much shorter in nature, being the BPL loans. You know, we didn't really think made a ton of sense to add a bunch of hedges in the quarter, but we obviously reevaluate that, you know, on a day-to-day basis. That's a good point. Bryan pointed out, like, it was 85% of Lima's origination was in the shorter term transitional loans.

Steve Delaney (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)

Yeah, those transitional loans, do you actually float the rate, or is it just the short-term nature of the loan, that you might have a fixed coupon but a short duration?

Gudmundur Kristjansson (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

Yeah, it is the short-term nature of them. They are off a fixed rate coupon, so it is the short-term nature of them. As you've seen, if you look through our, our decks, the coupon has been coming up every single quarter, substantially. Like, if you look at our pipeline currently, we say, you know, the coupon in the pipeline is above 10%, but that's a blended coupon.

If you just look at the transitional loans, we're probably closer to 10.5%, or, you know, 10.5%-10.75%, something like that, in terms of coupon. That's what's coming on on the books, and those are short assets. And we continue to see paydowns in that book, every, every-- Like the CPR is about 42, three month CPR on the transitional loans, but the paydown, but the- which, which is a substantial paydown, in terms of principal received, and that's, as Bryan pointed out, the paydown was about 7%. The coupon came, came off.

Steve Delaney (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)

Got it. Okay. Do you have a handy a distributable return on equity figure for the second quarter that you've calculated?

Gudmundur Kristjansson (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

I'm sorry, Steve.

Steve Delaney (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)

Do you have a distributable return on equity using distributable earnings for the second quarter?

Gudmundur Kristjansson (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

I guess, see if we can calculate it. Annualized? Annualized, it's probably 10%-11% on book value.

Steve Delaney (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)

Okay, great. That's close enough. I just. That'll give us a good target to kinda just have in mind as we're updating model and such. Okay. Well, look, you know, good dividend coverage, $0.40 over $0.35. Sounds like the portfolio is only improving in terms of yield, so, keep it in the middle of the road, guys. It's, you're, you're in a good place.

Gudmundur Kristjansson (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

Thank you, Steve. Thanks, Steve.

Steve Delaney (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)

Take care.

Operator (participant)

Thank, thank you. We'll go next to the line of Doug Harter with Credit Suisse.

Doug Harter (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Thanks. Looking at Slide 10, which shows the potential upside to economic book value, can you talk about where most of-- which, which assets most of that discount, sits in? You know, kind of how should we think about the duration, of those assets, you know, or the time that it might take to, to recover that, discount?

Craig Knutson (President and CEO)

I would, I would just say, you know, off the top of my head, that the, the majority of that is gonna be in non-QM loans and in single-family rental loans. You know, what, what do you think, you know, in terms of average life or-

Steve Yarad (CFO)

Yeah, I mean, the average life would be around, you know, four to five years, kind of, for, for the portfolio as a whole. As Craig pointed out, most of the discount is probably in the non-QM single-family rental, as well as some of the, you know, PCD loans as well, because those are the longer duration assets would have declined the most in value as rates rose. You know, as you think about the portfolio, you know, the average life is probably, you know, five years on these longer assets, which for the entire portfolio is around, you know, four years.

Doug Harter (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Got it. I guess, does any of that discount kind of get accreted back into distributable earnings or kind of as those loans pay off, that's just gonna show up in book value?

Gudmundur Kristjansson (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

I guess for the, for the carrying value assets, are we gonna accrete?

Steve Yarad (CFO)

The discount for the, for the fair value won't go into distributable earnings because it gets backed out, right? As the, as the carrying value loans increase in value, that probably gets, gets reflected in the yield if we get additional payoffs or additional returns or cash flows on those loans that we-

Gudmundur Kristjansson (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

Yeah, like, the payoffs would definitely be reflected in the book value because we're getting principal back at par.

Steve Yarad (CFO)

Yeah.

Gudmundur Kristjansson (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

Okay?

Steve Delaney (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)

Right.

Gudmundur Kristjansson (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

To the extent we acquired assets at a discount and they pay off, that would be reflected in a higher yield, too. Those would be the two components. The things that are, are fair value, as, as Steve is pointing out, like, you know, that goes through inclusive and, you know, it's just as rates go up or down.

Steve Yarad (CFO)

Didn't get that, get that earnings, but not in distributable earnings.

Gudmundur Kristjansson (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

That's it.

Doug Harter (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Okay. I appreciate that. Thank you very much.

Gudmundur Kristjansson (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

Sure, Doug. Thanks, Doug.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. We'll go next to the line of Eric Hagen with BTIG.

Eric Hagen (Managing Director and Mortgage and Specilty Finance Analyst)

Hey, thanks. Good morning. Actually, flushing that conversation out maybe just a little bit more, like, what would be the impact in marking the securitized debt to market, you know, if rates were to drop and that duration were to shorten on the non-QM portfolio? Like, what would that, what would that look like? Is there any optionality in the, on the, on the liability side that we should think about when rates drop?

Craig Knutson (President and CEO)

We show in that Page 10, right? We show there's a gray bar. That's the discount for the securitized debt, the discount to par, because we have to net that against the assets. Obviously, the, you know, our plan is that we're gonna pay back all that securitized debt at par. Even though some of those AAA bonds that we sold at less than 1% yields might be worth in the low 80s, you know, those are gonna get repaid at par.

Eric Hagen (Managing Director and Mortgage and Specilty Finance Analyst)

Right. Do you feel like there could be an opportunity to call and re-securitize any of the non-QM deals that you did, like the ones shortly after the pandemic, if spreads come in a lot more from here?

Craig Knutson (President and CEO)

I mean, there certainly are opportunities, to, to call them. I mean, you know, I think generally it's probably a three year, call period. Again, you know, we'll have to balance the outstanding cost of the outstanding securities versus where we could reissue.

Eric Hagen (Managing Director and Mortgage and Specilty Finance Analyst)

Right. another one here on Lima One. I mean, do you have the unfunded commitment in the Lima One portfolio? Over what kind of time frame that gets distributed?

Gudmundur Kristjansson (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

Yeah, I think, we show it with the portfolio. If you look at page, what is it? 12. We show the UPB and the maximum loan amount, and so the difference of the two would be, the unfunded commitment. So it's about $480 million or so, sorry, $580 million. And, you know, the way that that really works is just kind of in the normal course of business, as draws happen, you know, it's akin to, quote, "buying a new loan." And so we fund that on our warehouse lines and in our, transitional loan securitization as a normal course of business. As Bryan pointed out, you know, for example, in our revolving securitizations, you know, they're $400 million, but, you know, that's what we funded on day one.

Subsequently, we've done, you know, $330 million additional as rolled through that deal. As stuff pays off, you fund new things. The new things we're funding are both new acquisition as well as draws on those loans. The other thing is the draw rate on our portfolio is equivalent to about 30 CPR, but the paid down is equivalent to about 42 CPR. Effectively, you know, we're this is organically funded, you know, just through our pay downs on the transitional loan portfolio, as well as just through our warehouse lines and the securitizations.

Steve Yarad (CFO)

The securitized loans self-fund within the securitizations.

Gudmundur Kristjansson (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

That's right.

Eric Hagen (Managing Director and Mortgage and Specilty Finance Analyst)

Right. Yeah, on the RTL securitization, can you remind us how much time is left on the revolving period? Do you have that?

Gudmundur Kristjansson (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

Yeah. The first one, we did that in May of last year, so we have another year left on that, roughly. Then we did one in February of this year, which was. That leaves another, you know, year and a half on them.

Eric Hagen (Managing Director and Mortgage and Specilty Finance Analyst)

Great. Thanks for the comments, guys. That was helpful.

Gudmundur Kristjansson (Co-Chief Investment Officer)

Thank you.

Craig Knutson (President and CEO)

Thanks, Eric.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Once again, for questions from the phones, please press one and then zero at this time. Allowing a few moments. Speakers, there are no further questions in queue from the phones.

Craig Knutson (President and CEO)

All right. Thank you, everyone, for your interest in MFA Financial. Enjoy the rest of your summer, and we look forward to our next update when we announce third quarter results in November.

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