NIO - Q1 2023
June 9, 2023
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Operator (participant)
Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the NIO Incorporated Q1 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Today's conference call is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your host, Miss Eve Tang from Capital Market. Please go ahead.
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
Good morning and good evening, everyone. Welcome to NIO's Q1 2023 Earnings Conference Call. The company's financial and operating results were published in the press release earlier today, and are posted at the company's IR website. On today's call, we have Mr. William Li, Founder, Chairman of the Board, and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Steven Feng, Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Stanley Qu, Senior VP of Finance, and Miss Jade Wei, VP of Capital Markets. Before we continue, please be kindly reminded that today's discussion will contain forward-looking statements made under the Safe Harbor Provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties. As such, the company's actual results may be materially different from the views expressed today.
Further information regarding risks and uncertainties is included in certain filings of the company with the US Securities and Exchange Commission, the Stock Exchange of Hong Kong Limited, and the Singapore Exchange Securities Trading Limited. The company does not assume any obligation to update any forward-looking statements, except as required under applicable law. Please also note that NIO's earnings press release and this conference call include discussions of unaudited GAAP financial information, as well as unaudited non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to NIO's press release, which contains a reconciliation of the unaudited non-GAAP measures to comparable GAAP measures. With that, I will now turn the call over to our CEO, Mr. William Li. William, please go ahead.
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining NIO's 2023 Q1 earnings call.
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining NIO's 2023 Q1 earnings call.
In the Q1 of 2023, NIO delivered a total of 31,041 smart electric vehicles, up 20.5% year-over-year.
In April and May, NIO delivered 6,658 and 6,155 vehicles respectively. We expect the total deliveries in the Q2 of this year to be between 23,000 and 25,000 units.
As we ramp up the production of the all-new ES6 and other new models, we're confident in continuously driving up our delivery volume.
I would like to share with you the recent highlights of our products, R&D, and operations.
On May 24th, we launched the all-new ES6, an all-round mid-size smart electric SUV, and started its delivery the next day. The product quality of the all-new ES6 has been widely acclaimed by the first batch of users.
In May, we also started the user delivery of the 2023 NIO ET7 and the flagship coupe SUV, EC7. Coming with more than 15 new features and enhancements, the 2023 NIO ET7 continues to lead the change in the premium smart electric mid-large sedan market. As a flagship coupe SUV, EC7 inherits NIO's high-performance DNA and boasts ultimate riding and handling experience.
NIO's product quality and safety are also recognized by authoritative institutions.
On April 24, NIO ET5 was rated good, the highest safety level by China Insurance Automotive Safety Index, or CIASI. In J.D. Power's 2023 China new energy vehicle initial quality study re-released on June 1st, NIO ES6 won first place in the premium BEV segment for the fourth consecutive year. In J.D. Power's 2023 NEV appeal study, which evaluates new energy vehicle's performance, execution, and the layout, NIO ET7 ranked number one among premium BEVs. We plan to launch the NIO ET5 Touring on June 15th, and start the delivery in the same month. As the world's first smart electric tour, the ET5 Touring is designed to cover diversified scenarios for both individual and family users, significantly improving our competitiveness in the premium family vehicle market. NIO's flagship SUV, the all-new ES8, will also commence delivery in the NIO 10.
The new EC6, our second generation mid-size smart coupe SUV, will be launched and delivered in the Q3. As we proceed with the product platform transition, NIO's complete NT 2.0 lineup, featuring eight different products, will form a combined force to better cater to the diverse needs in the premium smart EV market and provide users with more experiences beyond expectations. In June, NIO's smart system, Banyan, will be upgraded to version 2.0. This release includes over 120 new features and enhancements. By connecting NIO's products, services, and the community in a more seamless way, Banyan 2.0 will deliver a one-of-a-kind digital experience. It's particularly worth mentioning that Banyan 2.0 provides a new feature that is automatic planning of charging and swapping routes.
Enabled by NIO Power Cloud and the comprehensive power infrastructure, it can let users plan for charging and swapping along the navigation route for long-distance trips with just one tap. In terms of intelligent driving, NIO has released Navigate on Pilot Plus Beta, or NOP Plus Beta, to all NT 2.0 users. Based on in-house developed NIO intelligent driving technologies and the closed loop data management, NOP Plus Beta has made significant improvements in making users' journeys more reassuring, comfortable, and efficient. In Banyan 2.0, NOP Plus will be using NIO's pro-proprietary BEV model and occupancy network for perception, and the large language model trained with a large scale dataset for planning and control. The experience of NOP Plus will be further enhanced.
In the meantime, we have started to test our power swap palette for highway at scale, and we'll make it available for 40 Power Swap Stations on highways, starting from the Q3 this year. This feature will be gradually rolled out to more Power Swap Stations with users, with which users can enjoy more seamless Navigate on Pilot experience from point A to point B on highways. With respect to the sales and service network, we now have 365 NIO Houses and NIO Spaces in 136 cities, and 359 NIO service centers and NIO Delivery Centers in 196 cities. In terms of the charging and swapping network, on April 13th, the first batch of NIO Power Swap Station 3.0 started operation.
The Power Swap Station 3.0 features the synchronization of three operating positions, making it faster than the previous generation, with higher service capacity and more intelligent experiences. NIO has installed 1,474 swap stations worldwide, including 119 third-generation Power Swap Stations, and has completed over 23 million swaps for users. NIO has also installed 7,000 power chargers and 8,800 destination chargers. Besides, our power map has also been connected to over 1.1 million third-party chargers globally. On April 17th, NIO's first 500 kilowatt power chargers went online, completing the new generation of a power-up station, which is an integrated station featuring 500 kW power chargers and the Power Swap Station 3.0.
Through efficient coordination between chargers and the swap stations, and flexible capacity distribution, the power chargers can operate more stably and efficiently. On April 22, the fourth NIO User Council was established after the NIO User Council member election, which was actively participated by NIO users worldwide. This year, NIO Users Trust will continue their work centering on public welfare, user care, and the common growth. On March 25th, further deepening of a partnership with Worldwide Fund for Nature, WWF, NIO announced to join the Science Based Targets initiative and plan to set a science-based target within the next two years, with the goal of contributing to global sustainable development and living up to the Blue Sky commitment. In the face of the changing market situation, we will timely adjust our sales and marketing priorities to ensure the market competitiveness of our products and services.
In the second half of 2023, with the entire NT 2.0 product lineup entering the premium battery electric vehicle market and 1,000 new Power Swap Stations put into operation, NIO's product competitiveness, powered by our decisive efforts into developing full stack R&D capabilities and core technologies of smart EVs, will be gradually unleashed, which in turn can better prepare us for the increasingly intensifying competition at the next stage. As always, thank you for your support. With that, I will now turn the call over to Steven to provide the financial details for the Q1. Over to you, Steven.
Steven Feng (CFO)
Thank you, William. I will now go over our key financial results for the Q1 of 2023. To be mindful of the length of this call, I will reference to RMB only in my discussion today. I encourage listeners to refer to our earlier press release, which is posted online for additional details. Our total revenues in the Q1 were RMB 10.7 billion, representing an increase of 7.7% year-over-year, and a decrease of 33.5% quarter-over-quarter. Our total revenues are made up two parts: vehicle sales and other sales. Vehicle sales in the Q1 were RMB 9.2 billion, representing a decrease of 0.2% year-over-year and a decrease of 37.5% quarter-over-quarter.
The decrease in vehicle sales year-over-year was mainly due to lower average selling price as a result of higher proportion of 85 and 75 kilowatt-hour standard range battery pack deliveries, partially offset by increase in delivery volume. The decrease in vehicle sales quarter-over-quarter was mainly due to a decrease in delivery volume and lower average selling price as a result of higher proportion of 85 and 75 kilowatt-hour standard range battery pack deliveries. Other sales in the Q1 were RMB 1.5 billion, which is an increase of 117.8% year-over-year, an increase of 11.3% quarter-over-quarter.
The increase in other sales year-over-year was mainly due to the increase in sales of accessories, provision of repair and maintenance services, provision of auto financing services, sales of used cars, and the provision of power solutions as a result of continued growth of our users. The increase in other sales quarter-over-quarter was mainly due to the increase in provision of auto financing services, sales of accessories, provision of repair and maintenance services, provision of power solutions, and sales of used cars as a result of continued growth of our users, and partially offset by a decrease in revenue from rendering of research and development services. Gross margin in the Q1 of 2023 was 1.5%, compared with 14.6% in the Q1 of 2022, and 3.9% in the Q4 of 2022.
The decrease in gross margin year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter was mainly attributed to decreased vehicle margin. More specifically, vehicle margin in the Q1 was 5.1%, compared with 18.1% in the Q1 of 2022, and 6.8% in theQ4 of 2022. The decrease in vehicle margin year-over-year was mainly attributed to changes in product mix and increased battery cost per unit. The decrease in vehicle margin quarter-over-quarter was mainly due to changes in product mix and increased promotion discount for the previous generation of ES8, ES6, and EC6, which were partially offset by the inventory provision, accelerated depreciation on production facilities, and losses on purchase commitments for the previous generation of ES8, ES6, and EC6 in the Q4 of 2022.
R&D expenses in the Q1 were RMB 3.1 billion, representing an increase of 74.6% year-over-year, a decrease of 22.7% quarter-over-quarter. The increase in research and development expenses year-over-year was mainly attributed to the increased personal costs in research and development functions and increased share-based compensation expenses recognized in the Q1 of 2023. The decrease in research and development expenses quarter-over-quarter reflected fluctuations due to different design and development stages of new products and technologies. SG&A expenses in the Q1 were RMB 2.4 billion, representing an increase of 21.4% year-over-year, a decrease of 30.7% quarter-over-quarter. The increase in SG&A expenses year-over-year was primarily due to the increase in personal costs related to sales and general corporate functions, and increased expenses related to the company's sales and service network expansion.
The decrease in SG&A expenses quarter-over-quarter was mainly due to a decrease in sales and marketing activities and professional services. Loss from operations in the Q1 was RMB 5.1 billion, representing an increase of 133.6% year-over-year, a decrease of 24.1% quarter-over-quarter. Net loss in the Q1 was RMB 4.7 billion, representing an increase of 165.9% year-over-year, and a decrease of 18.1% quarter-over-quarter. Net loss attributable to NIO's owner shareholders in the Q1 was RMB 4.8 billion, representing an increase of 163.2% year-over-year, and a decrease of 17.8% quarter-over-quarter.
Our balanced cash and cash equivalents, restricted cash, short-term investment, and long-term deposits was RMB 37.8 billion as of March 31st, 2023.
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
This concludes our prepared remarks. I will now turn the call over to the operator to facilitate our Q&A session.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star two. If you are on a speakerphone, please pick up the handset to ask your question. For the benefit of all participants on today's call, please limit yourself to two questions. If you have got more questions, you can reenter the queue. Your first question comes from Tim Hsiao from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Tim Hsiao (VP and Equity Research Analyst)
管理层,你好,非常感谢接受我的提问。我有2个问题,第1个问题是有关可能降本这一块,就是首先回来,从 2021年开始,我们进入到一个比较快速扩张的1个阶段,所以我们看到车型、品牌、可能网络、销售、研发都是加大投入。William Li也提到,就是说有鉴于这个市场和经济形势都比较严峻,我们现在是否会考虑优化和精简目前的车型和整体营销的布局,然后将一些有限的资源,可能聚焦在这个未来品牌能够走量的车型上面。另外其他比如说像手机芯片研发投入是否会暂缓?可能另外最后一个就是,明年 Alps 品牌的推出,是否还会按先前的1个规划,去进行。
My first question is about more cost control, because NIO has been investing more aggressively since 2021 on new models, sales, marketing and energy replenishment network.
In light of the challenging industry and the macro outlook, would NIO consider streamlining the model portfolio and cutting back on investment in some projects like smartphone, battery, chipset, and to refocus resource on a few flagship models? Separately, does NIO still stick to its original schedule to launch on mass market brand Alps next year? That's my first question. Thank you.
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
好 , 谢 谢 Tim。 呃 , 确 实 , 最 近 的 话 呢 , 市 场 的 变 化 也 非 常 大 , 竞 争 呢 也 进 一 步 加 剧 。 那 么 从 目 前 我 们 第 二 代 平 台 的 角 度 来 讲 呢 , 我 们 所 有 的 这 些 车 , 八 款 车 的 话 呢 , 已 经 都 这 个 研 发 完 成 , 啊 , 近 期 的 话 呢 , 呃 , 都 会 全 面 推 向 市 场 。 我 们 当 前 的 主 要 的 这 个 重 点 , 还 是 怎 么 样 去 有 一 个 新 的 组 织 架 构 和 一 个 新 的 一 些 营 销 的 策 略 ,
能 保 证 我 们 的 每 一 款 车 都 能 够 去 touch到 那 个 它 的 目 标 用 户 群 体 。 因 为 从 我 们 定 义 这 些 产 品 的 时 候 , 每 一 款 车 还 是 都 有 自 己 的 定 位 的 , 那 我 们 现 在 整 个 的 营 销 团 队 如 何 能 够 同 时 卖 好 这 八 款 车 , 这 个 不 管 是 从 这 个 , 呃 , 展 厅 的 布 局 , 从 线 上 的 这 种 用 户 的 触 达 , 还 是 线 下 的 我 们 的 这 些 一 线 的 这 些 , 呃 , 销 售 的 同 事 的 一 些 资 ...
精力 的 分 配 , 确 实 是 一 些 新 的 挑 战 。 我 们 最 近 的 话 呢 , 已 经 做 了 不 少 的 工 作 , 能 够 既 保 证 每 一 款 车 都 有 人 去 负 责 , 都 能 够 从 总 部 到 区 域 都 有 人 去 负 责 。 同 时 呢 , 也 保 证 我 们 的 资 源 能 够 在 一 些 重 点 的 车 型 。
当 然 从 一 些 上 量 的 车 型 , 我 们 的 这 个 5, 6 的 这 4 款 上 量 的 车 型 , 包 括 我 们 的 ES8 这 样 的 一 些 战 略 车 型 , 我 们 肯 定 在 资 源 上 会 有 些 倾 斜 。 总 的 来 说 的 话 呢 , 我 们 现 在 聚 焦 还 是 怎 么 样 保 证 这 8 款 车 都 能 够 在 它 的 目 标 市 场 能 够 有 足 够 的 份 额 。
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
Thank you, Tim, for your question. As you have mentioned, the market competition is intensifying, and we do face a lot of changes in the market dynamics. For the new technology platform 2.0, we are about to show the whole lineup of the eight products based on the NT 2.0, and these eight products will enter the market in the near term gradually. The current focus for us is to make sure we have the new organization structure to have a more targeted sales strategy and a marketing strategy for all the eight products to reach its own target user groups.
When we design those products, we do have a specific positioning of the different products in their specific segment and target group. The current challenge for us is to make sure our marketing and the sales team can be more dedicated on these eight products in terms of offer, showroom layout and the product reach, and the marketing reach, and the distribution of the resources at the sales and marketing teams. We want to make sure for each product, we have a dedicated team to take responsibilities in terms of the sales and marketing efforts. For those key products, we will put more resources to make sure we can reach much better sales performance.
just like I mentioned, the focus for us now is to make sure we can have a more dedicated resources for the eight products separately, and to make sure they can achieve a good market, share, in terms of their specific segment.
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
总 的 来 说 , 我 们 应 对 市 场 的 变 化 肯 定 会 更 加 的 快 速 , 保 证 我 们 的 这 个 产 品 和 服 务 的 竞 争 力 。 另 外 的 话 呢 , 你 讲 到 这 个 研 发 , 有 一 些 长 期 研 发 的 项 目 , 方 向 上 来 讲 , 我 们 肯 定 是 还 是 会 坚 持 的 , 因 为 我 们 认 为 ,
虽 然 我 们 现 在 有 一 些 短 期 的 压 力 , 但 是 长 期 的 竞 争 力 , 我 们 , 我 们 当 然 还 是 要 去 打 造 的 。 那 么 当 然 有 一 些 节 奏 方 面 , 我 们 肯 定 会 根 据 公 司 的 资 源 和 重 点 去 进 行 一 些 调 整 。...
Alps 的 这 些 推 出 , 我 们 还 是 会 按 照 我 们 , 这 个 原 定 的 规 划 , 在 明 年 下 半 年 , 我 们 在 合 适 的 时 候 会 交 付 这 些 产 品 。 当 然 我 们 也 会 , 确 保 这 个 投 入 的 这 个 周 期 , 就 特 别 在 市 场 端 , 这 个 投 入 的 这 个 时 间 呢 , 我 们 希 望 紧 凑 一 些 , 这 样 的 话 对 于 整 个 公 司 的 效 率 , 会 更 好 一 些 。 这 方 面 的 话 呢 , 肯 定 在 节 奏 和 效 率 方 面 , 我 们 会 进 行 这 个 更 加 这 个 细 致 的 管 理 。
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
Yes, of course we need to be more agile in terms of face the challenges of the changing market situation to ensure of our competitiveness in terms of the products and services. Regarding the topics of the R&D projects, overall speaking, we would like to insist on offer a big directions in terms of the R&D projects. In the short term, yes, we do have some pressures, but we think it's really important and necessary for us to focus on those R&D capability building to build our long-term competitiveness. At the same time, based on our resources and the priorities of the company, we can adjust the pace of the investment for all those different R&D projects. For the question regarding Alps project, over timing for Alps brand is still the same, that is the second half of 2024, where we plan to launch the Alps products at that time, we will choose the specific timings for those different products. However, at the same time, we want to make sure for the Alps products, we can have a much faster pace in terms of the go to market, because this can help us to improve the efficiency and have a much better planning of the resources, especially at the marketing and sales front.
Tim Hsiao (VP and Equity Research Analyst)
好,谢 谢,李 斌 总 的 回 答,谢 谢。Thank you. 好,我 第 二 个 问 题 是 有 关 于 新 款 的 ES6,因 为 我 们 看 到 二 季 度 交 付 指 引 23,000-25,000,可 能 较 原 先 这 个 市 场 的 预 期 来 得 高 一 些,那 我 们 自 己 推 算,可 能 隐 含 3,000-4,000 台 的 新 款 ES6 的 交 付,所 以 想 是 不 是 可 以 请 问,这 个 请 管 理 层 分 享 一 下,我 们 目 前 ES6,从 这 个,这 个 之 前 五 月,五 月 底 正 式 上 市,然 后 接 单,为,到 目 前 为 止 整 体 接 单 的 一 个 情 况,然 后 ES6 当 前 爬 产 交 付 有 没 有 任 何 这 个 障 碍,那 我 们 是 否 还 是 维 持 像 之 前 提 到 这 个 5566,这 个 月 合 计 交 付 20,000 的 一 个 目 标,然 后 大 大 约 什 么 时 候 可 以 达 到 这 样 的 一 个 这 个 合 计 的 交 付 目 标。
My second question is about the new ES6. The Q2 guidance getting stronger than market expectation, which could trickle through to like a 3,000-4,000 units of additional sales of the new ES6. Could you share a little bit more about the order in tech of the new ES6 since it's launched to date? And is there any bottleneck to the delivery of new ES6? In the meantime, are you still expecting the sales aggregate of ET5, ES6 and the upcoming ET5 Touring to achieve 20,000 per month, and when do you expect to achieve that volume target? My second question. Thank you.
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
好 , 谢 谢 Tim。 呃 ,ES6, 呃 , 确 实 市 场 的 热 度 是 非 常 高 , 那 么 我 们 这 个 目 前 的 这 个 已 经 锁 单 的 这 些 , 呃 , 是 达 到 了 我 们 的 预 期 的 啊 , 那 我 们 整 个 的 这 种 试 驾 后 的 这 种 转 化 率 是 非 常 高 的 , 是 我 们 所 有 车 里 面 有 史 以 来 最 高 的 这 个 试 驾 的 转 化 率 啊 , 所 以 我 们 对 它 的 表 现 是 非 常 有 信 心 。
那 么 ES6 在 当 然 在 六 月 份 的 话 呢 , 肯 定 还 是 一 个 爬 产 的 过 程 ,我 们 目 前 的 目 标 呢, 是 希 望 七 月 份 能 够 实 现 这 个 生 产 和 交 付 都 能 够 达 到 一 万 辆 这 样 的 一 个 目 标 , 啊 我 们 还 是 有 信 心 去 实 现 这 个 目 标 的 , 啊 ,就 我 们 各 方 面 的 供 应 链 呢 , 制 造 啊 , 这 个 质 量 啊 , 各 方 面 的 同 事 都 在 全 力 以 赴 地 做 这 个 准 备 。 呃 , 那 当 然 五 五 六 六 的 话 , 这 个 从 方 向 上 来 讲 呢 ,
我 们 肯 定 还 是 认 为 有 机 会 去 这 个 实 现 两 万 的 这 样 一 个 目 标 。现 在 来 看 的 话 呢 , 挑 战 的 话 呢 , 呃 , 我 们 看 确 实 主 要 的 挑 战 还 是 ET5 的 挑 战 要 大 一 些 , 啊 , 因 为 ET5 它 相 对 来 说 的 话 呢 , 和 去 年 比 , 因 为 有 没 有 , 没 有 补 贴 的 , 呃 , 去 年 因 为 毕 竟 还 有 一 万 两 千 块 钱 的 补 贴 ,
那 么 我 们 最 近 呢 也 下 调 了 一 些 , 比 如 说 这 个 换 , 呃 , 充 电 桩 啊 , 我 们 也 , 也 这 个 也 是 要 购 买 的 。所 以 事 实 上 来 讲 的 话 呢 , 它 的 价 格 是 和 去 年 底 的 话 , 消 费 者 的 这 个 购 买 价 格 其 实 是 差 不 多 贵 了 小 两 万 块 , 这 个 呢 , 我 们 , 我 们 这 个 是 要 面 对 这 样 一 个 现 实 吧 , 就 是 , 啊 , 那 我 们 总 的 来 说 , 我 们 也 要 再 看 看 ,
在 这 个 整 个 方 向 上 来 讲 的 话, 怎 么 能 够 有 一 些 更 加 , 呃 好 的 一 些 方 式 去 扩 大 这 个 需 求 。呃 , 所 以 目 前 总 的 来 说 呢 , 在 五 五 六 六 里 边 ,ET5 的 话 呢 , 我 们 觉 得 确 实 挑 战 要 大 一 些 , 那 么 我 们 马 上 四 五 号 会 发 这 个 ET5 的 Touring, 那 么 它 的 目 标 用 户 群 肯 定 会 更 大 一 些 , 因 为 它 是 一 款 非 常 适 合 家 庭 的 用 车 , 呃 , 我 们 相 信 它 的 竞 争 力 还 是 非 常 强 的 啊 。
所 以 这 四 款 车 我 们 仍 然 认 为 它 是 有 机 会 实 现 两 万 的 这 样 一 个 目 标 。
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
Thank you, Ting. ES6 is very well received by the users and also received very good feedback in the media. We think the order performance has reached our expectations, and the test drive conversion rate of the ES6 actually reached a record high in the history of NIO. That's why we're very confident in terms of the sales performance of ES6. ... At this stage, especially in June, we need to focus on the ramp-up of the ES6 first. For the targets in July, is we wanna achieve 10,000 units in terms of the production and delivery. We're very confident to achieve this target in July, and the supply chain team, manufacturing team, and other teams are making all sorts of preparations to make sure we can achieve this objective.
Regarding the ET5, the ET5 Touring, and the ES6 overall volume, we believe that there is the opportunity for us to still achieve 20,000 units in one month. The big challenge for us right now is more about the ET5, because if we look at the ET5's pricing, we can see that the last year, we still have around RMB 12,000 subsidies for the users. This is at the same time, users can get the home chargers free of charge last year, but now users will need to pay for the home chargers for the ET5. Net, net speaking, probably for the ET5, if we make the apple-to-apple comparison, it's probably like RMB 20,000 more expensive this year.
This is the fact and the challenge we need to face. What we need to focus on is to make sure we can find a better way to expand the user needs and the demands. The challenge we are facing right now is about the ET5. Just like I mentioned, we're going to launch the ET5 Touring on June 15th. This is going to help us to improve our overall product competitiveness. We believe the ET5 Touring can cater to the diversified needs of individuals and the family users. This can help us to boost our competitive our product competitiveness in this specific market segment.
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
Thank you.
Tim Hsiao (VP and Equity Research Analyst)
Thank you, Willie.
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
Thank you.
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Your next question comes from Bin Wang from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
Bin Wang (Research Analyst)
Thank you. I've got twp questions. number one is about the margin outlook. when you reach the 10K per month for ES6 in the third quarter, what's the gross margin expectation we can have for the third and second half? That is number one question about gross margin guidance.
Stanley Qu (Senior VP of Finance)
Hi, Bin. This is Stanley Qu. As William mentioned, with the delivery of our NT 2.0 product with higher price from Q2 and Q3, the average selling price and gross profit margin per car will recover. We are confident that the gross profit margin will start to recover to double digits in Q3 and over 15% in Q4. Thank you.
Bin Wang (Research Analyst)
Okay, great. My second question about any further fundraising demands are needed, because right now, people worry about your net cash position, which decline quite fast. Can you provide some update about your potential fundraising, especially on the New York China IPO?
Thank you.
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
Now, 当 然, 这 个, 我 们 今 年 这 个 因 为 Q1, Q2 的 交 付 呢, 确 实 是 比, 这 个 比 包 括 去 年 Q4, 少 了 一 些, 这 个 也 影 响 一 些 运 营 的 现 金 流. 我 们 相 信 随 着 三 季 度 的 交 付 的 回 升 呢, 这 个 运 营 现 金 流 肯 定 是 会 改 善 的. 我 们 目 前 的 公 司 的 现 金 是 能 支 撑 公 司 在 可 见 的 将 来 的 这 个 业 务 发 展. 当 然 我 们 作 为 一 家 上 市 公 司, 我 们 当 然 也 会 非 常 小 心 地 去 管 理 我 们 这 样 的 一 些 现 金, 我 们 的 融 资 通 道, 不 管 是 美 元 的 还 是 人 民 币 的, 都 是 通 畅 的. 我 们 有 合 适 的 这 个 需 求 的 话, 我 们 当 然 会 跟 市 场 去 交 流. 当 然 今 年 的 话, 我 们 也 采 取 了 一 些 措 施, 比 如 说 有 一 些 固 定 资 产 的 投 资, 我 们 已 经 往 后 去
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
Thank you, Bin, for your question. Yes, for this year, if we look at the Q1 and the Q2, because of the delivery performance, which is actually less than that of the Q4 last year, this has affected our operating cash flow. Together with our delivery volume ramp-up in the Q3, we believe that operating cash flow will also improve. Currently, we believe our cash is sufficient to support the company's business development. As a publicly listed company, we make very prudent management of our cash positions, and at the same time we do have all the different channels to do the fundraising in different markets. This year, we have made some adjustment in terms of our cash spending.
For example, we have delayed our CapEx investment, and we have also delayed some R&D projects.
At the same time, in terms of our global market expansion, we believe it's more important for us to focus on the markets that we have already entered. For example, for those countries we have already entered in Europe. If we have any kind of plans in the capital markets, we will of course, let everyone know.
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
Thank you, Wang Bin.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Your next question comes from Ming-Hsun Lee from Bofa. Thank you. Please go ahead.
Ming Hsun Lee (Wall Street Analyst)
Thank you, William and Stephen. I also have two questions. My first question is, what is the battery price decline in Q1? How much does the battery price to help gross margin in Q1? Could you also comment the Q2 and Q3 battery price trend? That's my first question. Thank you.
Stanley Qu (Senior VP of Finance)
Hi, Ming. Generally, the price of lithium carbonate decreased a little bit in from Q1. This lead to certain increase of our gross profit margin. Regarding amount-wise, I think, the RMB 2,500 per car. Recently, I think, we can also see the lithium carbonate price also recover a little bit to RMB 310,000 per ton. The volatile change of lithium price will bring uncertainty to our gross profit margin. Yeah. Generally, that's generally the impact of lithium. Yeah.
Ming Hsun Lee (Wall Street Analyst)
Thank you, Stanley. My questions is regarding your latest CapEx and operating expense guidance, because I think William just mentioned that you are starting to control some investment, especially for some long-term investment. Are you able to give some new guidance, if there's any? I remember last year, the CapEx is around RMB 10 billion. I want to know your guidance for this year for CapEx and OpEx. Thank you.
Stanley Qu (Senior VP of Finance)
Yes, Ming. Our CapEx will still concentrate on the construction of Power Swap Stations, charging network, sales source network, and also tooling and production facilities for our new models. We will well control the cadence of those investments. At this moment, I don't think we can give the clear guidance of CapEx investment for this year. We will make adjustments dynamically in line with the spending and also the status.
Ming Hsun Lee (Wall Street Analyst)
yeah, also any guidance on operating expense? Sorry.
Stanley Qu (Senior VP of Finance)
Okay. Regarding operating expense, one is for the R&D expense. The upcoming years remains to be the crucial stage for our R&D and also mass production of our core technology as new models. On average, in each quarter of 2023, the non-GAAP R&D expense, it will be kept at RMB 3 billion- RMB 3.5 billion per quarter. Yes, we will also manage the spending curve and also keep improving our system efficiency. For SG&A expense, yeah, we can see a decline in Q1. The main reason is because the reduced marketing activities and also seasonality impact of Chinese New Year.
Along with more marketing events, like auto show, road show, and also launch of new models, the SG&A total amount will increase from Q2, but the efficiency will be improved from Q3 since our NT2 product will be launched and more volume will be realized. Hi, Ming. That's the guidance for the OpEx of next quarters.
Ming Hsun Lee (Wall Street Analyst)
Yeah. Thank you, Stanley. Thank you.
Stanley Qu (Senior VP of Finance)
Thank you, Ming.
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
Hi, operator. Next question, please.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Your next question comes from Yi Chang Ding from HSBC. Please go ahead.
Speaker 13
Uh,
Stanley Qu (Senior VP of Finance)
Yeah, go ahead.
Operator (participant)
I'm sorry.
Stanley Qu (Senior VP of Finance)
Yes.
Operator (participant)
Yeah, sorry.
Yuqian Ding (Autos Research Head)
第 一 个 是 想 请 教 一 下 , 就 是 我 们 刚 刚 有 讲 到 ET5 的 价 格 对 消 费 者 来 有 点 贵 , 那 我 们 ET5 还 是 一 个 比 较 跑 量 的 这 个 车 型 , 或 者 说 之 前 存 在 跑 量 的 预 期 , 那 管 理 层 会 不 会 做 一 些 潜 在 的 这 个 budget version, 就 是 低 价 的 这 个 版 本 , 然 后 通 过 减 配 和 版 本 的 这 个 调 整 , 把 这 个 价 格 调 下 来 , 然 后 获 得 更 好 的 这 个 销 量 。
第 二 个 是 想 请 教 , 刚 才 讲 到 这 个 研 发 节 奏 有 调 整 , 这 个 OPEX 预 算 的 这 些 调 整 , 那 想 请 教 这 个 盈 亏 平 衡 的 时 点 , 就 是 按 照 guidance 来 讲 , 是 不 是 是 否 会 推 迟 。
Speaker 13
I got to a question. The first is, do we have plan to introduce any budget version of our existing model, especially the potential volume carrier ET5, by lower price and lower content to access more volume?
The second question, we talked about the dial down a little bit on OpEx burn, generally, does that also affect our or postpone our breakeven point of the year?
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
谢 谢 。 那 个 我 们 当 然 确 实 看 到 现 在 整 个 市 场 的 价 格 变 动 非 常 大 , 当 然 我 们 呢 , 肯 定 不 会 用 减 配 的 方 式 , 去 做 这 样 的 调 整 , 因 为 我 们 很 多 这 样 的 一 个 方 式 都 是 这 个 标 配 的 , 这 样 一 些 , 这 个 包 括 充 电 机 , 包 括 我 们 AD 方 面 的 这 样 的 一 些 传 感 器 和 这 个 算 力 等 等 这 样 的 一 些 高 价 值 的 东 西 , 我 们 认 为 这 个 对 长 期 的 用 户 价 值 是 当 然 是 非 常 有 意 义 的 。
当 然 我 们 当 然 还 有 很 多 别 的 一 些 灵 活 的 一 些 措 施 , 我 们 也 在 考 虑 , 比 如 说 , 我 们 针 对 那 些 不 需 要 换 电 转 移 的 用 户 , 我 们 有 更 好 的 一 些 方 法 , 当 然 我 们 还 在 进 行 各 方 面 的 一 些 这 个 研 究 。 那 当 然 这 个 会 还 是 从 用 户 的 利 益 出 发 吧 , 从 我 们 角 度 来 讲 的 话 , 当 然 我 们 肯 定 也 要 考 虑 已 经 买 了 我 们 车 的 这 样 的 一 些 用 户 的 一 些 利 益 。
那 第 二 个 问 题 , 就 是 盈 亏 平 衡 方 面 的 话 呢 , 我 们 当 然 从 目 前 的 情 况 来 讲 , 我 们 的 盈 亏 平 衡 的 时 间 表 肯 定 是 往 后 要 去 推 的 , 这 个 是 我 们 需 要 面 对 的 一 个 情 况 。 当 然 我 们 还 是 希 望 , 从 目 前 来 看 的 话 呢 , 我 们 希 望 这 个 推 后 的 时 间 , 能 够 在 一 年 以 内 吧 , 这 个 是 目 前 我 们 的 一 个 计 划 。
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
Thank you, Yuquean, for your question. We understand that there are many different kind of pricing movements in the markets, regarding ET5, we don't think it's reasonable for us to have a budget version of the ET5. Our philosophy is that we believe the different configurations or the important configurations should come as a standard for all over NT2 products. For example, the dual motor, AD suites and other important functions and features, we believe those standard package philosophy can serve the long-term interest to our users. At the same time, we do have some flexibilities in many other different approaches,
for example, user rights, such as the free battery swapping. When we make those kind of considerations and adjustment, of course, the important thing is to make sure we can put the users interest first. When we decide to make those kind of adjustment, we also need to consider the interest of our install base. For the second question regarding the breakeven point, according to the current situation, we do think probably we need to delay our breakeven point to within one year, we think this is probably a reasonable assumption.
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
Thank you, Yuqean.
Operator (participant)
Thank you, your next question comes from Nick Lai from JP Morgan, please go ahead.
Nick Lai (Managing Director, Head of Regional Auto Research)
李总跟冠宇,大家好,我有两个简单的问题。第一个问题我还是想追问一下,刚刚提到这个 cash burn 跟 CAPEX,跟这个手上现金的问题。因为这个行业非常竞争,竞争的这个环境我相信是可能大部分人在过去一年是都有一起到的,那这个行业竞争某种程度它这个 competition,那我想刚刚有提到说我们把一些资本开支、研发支出的这个规划有做调整,先往后延推迟,这是好事。我想追问一下,就 2024 年,因为 2024 年或 2025 年我们会推出另外两个品牌,然后渠道等等的建设。我知道公司可能目前没有一个数字的指引,可以跟我们分享我们应该怎么去评判,就是 2024、2025 年我们的 CAPEX 跟 cash burn 是跟在 2023 的基准上,是往上,往下还是持平?这是第一个问题。
My first question is really following up the previous question regarding cash burn and CAPEX cycle and so on. Just mentioned that you push back the R&D expense and so on, and but I'm more curious about 2024 or 2025 planning. How should we expect the CAPEX or cash burn into 2024 and 2025? Will that be flat or up or down compared with 2023? Thank you.
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
对 , 当 然 这 个 现 在 确 实 , 呃 , 整 个 的 市 场 变 化 也 非 常 动 态 , 这 个 从 我 们 来 讲 的 话 呢 , 怎 么 针 对 这 个 市 场 的 动 态 的 变 化 去 , 啊 , 降 低 公 司 的 风 险 呢 , 保 证 经 营 的 这 个 稳 健 性 肯 定 是 我 们 很 重 要 的 一 个 目 标 。 从 目 前 来 讲 的 话 呢 , 我 们 , 啊 , 比 如 说 我 们 阿 尔 卑 斯 的 这 个 推 进 的 计 划 , 我 们 当 然 还 是 按 照 我 们 的 计 划 去 推 进 的 。 啊 , 我 们 现 在 的 这 个 , 呃 ,
工 厂 的 话 呢 , 是 能 够 支 持 NIO 和 阿 尔 卑 斯 , 呃 , 两 个 品 牌 的 生 产 的 。 所 以 从 这 一 点 上 来 讲 的 话 呢 , 我 们 在 整 个 生 产 制 造 方 面 并 不 需 要 进 行 大 的 这 个 CAPEX 的 投 资 。 那 么 从 , 呃 , 市 场 端 来 讲 的 话 呢 , 我 们 , 呃 , 换 电 站 事 实 上 也 是 , 呃 , 这 个 从 今 年 这 个 某 一 个 时 间 起 , 我 们 部 署 的 换 电 站 也 是 可 以 支 持 两 个 brand 的 这 样 的 一 些 共 用 的 。 所 以 这 方 面 的 话 呢 , 我 们 其 实 总 的 来 说 也 还 OK。
那 么 当 然 如 果 是 阿 尔 卑 斯 去 , 呃 , 推 向 市 场 的 话 呢 , 在 销 售 服 务 网 络 方 面 会 有 一 些 CAPEX 的 投 资 , 啊 , 也 包 括 一 些 OPEX 的 投 资 , 但 我 们 前 面 其 实 也 讲 过 了 , 我 们 会 把 这 个 时 间 压 缩 得 尽 可 能 紧 凑 一 些 。 所 以 总 的 来 说 的 话 呢 , 呃 , 我 们 认 为 对 一 个 这 个 变 动 非 常 快 的 一 个 市 场 ......
我 们 整 个 公 司 已 经 做 好 了 这 样 一 个 敏 捷 反 应 的 这 样 一 个 各 方 面 的 准 备 。 啊 , 当 然 , 这 个 呃 , 从 现 金 管 理 方 面 来 讲 的 话 呢 , 我 们 肯 定 会 更 小 心 地 去 管 理 这 个 现 金 , 啊 我 们 要 保 持 各 个 融 资 通 道 的 这 个 畅 通 。 啊 , 大 家 也 知 道 , 我 们 其 实 现 在 从 一 个 资 本 市 场 对 接 的 角 度 来 讲 的 话 , 不 管 是 美 元 还 是 人 民 币 的 融 资 , 我 们 的 通 道 是 通 畅 的 。
啊 , 所 以 总 的 来 说 的 话 呢 , 我 们 不 认 为 这 个 ,呃 , 会 是 一 个 , 这 个 , 会 , 会 在 cash 方 面 的 话 , 呃 , 我 们 不 觉 得 这 个 对 整 个 公 司 来 说 会 有 一 个 大 的 问 题 , 啊 , 但 是 我 们 当 然 还 是 会 去 做 一 些 更 细 致 的 这 样 的 一 些 经 营 的 管 理 。
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
Thank you for your question, Nick. Regarding the dynamic and the fluid market situation, we understand it's important for us to control the risk and to keep the stable and sound business operations. For the Alps brand, basically, the project is moving forward according to our plan. For the production side, we believe the current production capacity is sufficient to support the needs of new brand and Alps brand. It means that in terms of production facilities and capacities, there's no need for big CapEx investment. In the market front, we believe, starting from this year, we should have sufficient Power Swap Stations to support both brands, to share the Power Swap Stations
. Previously, we mentioned that probably for the go to market of Alps brand, we do need to make some investment in terms of CapEx and OpEx, but we would like to control the pace of the go to market cadence, to make sure we can have a much faster movement and cadence, and have a much agile mode to operate the go to market of the Alps brand. This can help us to save the resources and the capital.
In terms of the cash management, of course, as a publicly listed company, we need to be very prudent in terms of the cash management. For the financing channels, we do have different channels in terms of the RMB and US dollar capital markets. For us, we think cash is not going to be a big issue for the company, but at the same time, we still need to make a refined management of our cash and also the working capital of the company.
Nick Lai (Managing Director, Head of Regional Auto Research)
好 的 , 谢 谢 。 我 第 二 个 问 题 也 比 较 简 单 , 就 想 问 请 教 一 下 the long term, 就 是 未 来 一 年 这 个 GP margin trend。 刚 提 到 说 5566, 月 销 应 该 能 够 有 机 会 在 下 半 年 以 后 能 够 月 销 过 20,000。 我 想 知 道 说 5566 这 个 上 量 的 车 型 , 在 我 们 的 规 划 里 面 , 它 应 该 是 占 我 们 的 平 均 monthly sales volume 是 大 概 占 比 是 多 高 ? 同 时 兼 5566 它 的 这 个 GP margin
跟 其 他 比 较 高 端 的 车 型 , 这 个 差 距 大 概 就 是 差 距 大 概 有 多 少 ? 应 该 就 是 说 我 们 怎 么 去 预 期 这 个 , 或 是 评判 这 个 未 来 的 中 长 期 的 GP margin。刚 提 到 说 Q4 在 15%。 假 如 我 们 进 入 2024 年 的 话 , 我 们 应 该 怎 么 去 forecast 这 个 或 評 判 这 个 GP margin。
My second question is really simple, really about the product mix. The new product supplies is going to account for a meaningful portion of the volume, and how should we think about the contribution from this four major model, and how should we think about the product mix going forward?
Thanks。
Stanley Qu (Senior VP of Finance)
Hi, Nick, regarding the volume percentage of ET85, 85 Touring, yes, and ETC, I think from a long run, the percentage will be 80% around, yeah, but from and from the long run, as I mentioned earlier, this year, I think with all the NT2 product launched, our gross profit margin can recover to 15%. Long term, considering the cost advantage brought by the in house technology and capability, and also the innovative supply chain development, we the NT2 product gross profit margin target will be still be 20% from a long run.
Nick Lai (Managing Director, Head of Regional Auto Research)
Yeah, thank you.
好 的 , 谢 谢 。
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Your next question comes from Paul Gong from UBS. Please go ahead.
Paul Gong (Analyst)
谢 谢 各 位 。 这 是 我 的 问 题 哈 。 我 的 第 一 个 问 题 来 说 的 话 , 就 是 , 其 实 最 近 所 投 放 的 几 款 车 吧 , 不 管 是 那 个 ET7 还 是 ET5, 其 实 都 有 一 点 高 开 低 走 的 这 么 个 现 象 , 就 不 知 道 从 管 理 层 这 边 来 看 的 话 , 就 这 是 什 么 样 的 原 因 , 然 后 , 我 们 ES6 会 不 会 也 面 临 同 样 的 这 一 种 风 险 ?
My first question is regarding the new model sales trends. It seems that a few recent new models all shared a little similarity with strong starts, but after a few months, it subsequently declines. Does our ES6 also face such kind of challenges, or how should we avoid this happening again?
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
Yeah。 呃 , 谢 谢 Paul。 呃 , 谢 谢 Paul。 确 实 , 我 们 去 年 的 发 的 三 款 车 , 呃 ,ET7,ES7 和 ET5
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进 入 到 今 年 的 话 呢 , 近 期 吧 , 特 别 是 到 了 Q2, 整 个 的 市 场 表 现 确 实 是 有 一 些 和 我 们 预 期 是 有 一 些 差 距 的 。 我 其 实 前 面 也 讲 了 , 因 为 我 们 现 在 车 的 价 格 都 并 没 有 去 做 调 整 , 相 对 和 去 年 相 比 的 话 , 因 为 我 们 首 批 购 车 的 用 户 , 也 有 很 多 的 购 车 的 权 益 啊 , 包 括 一 些 补 贴 , 我 们 事 实 上 来 讲 , 今 年 我 们 事 实 上 ,
从 一 个 事 实 上 的 角 度 来 讲 的 话 , 其 实 是 涨 了 不 少 价 。另 外 方 面 的 话 呢 , 平 均 来 说 差 不 多 涨 了 RMB 20,000, RMB 10,000-RMB 20,000之 间 吧 。 另 外 一 方 面 来 讲 的 话 呢 , 确 实 市 场 的 竞 争 也 是 非 常 激 烈 啊 , 今 年 整 个 包 括 大 的 环 境 啊 , 我 们 所 在 的 目 标 市 场 的 竞 争 啊 , 也 非 常 的 激 烈 啊 , 导 致 这 个 也 是 我 们 有 一 批 的 用 户 ,
也 是 肯 定 会 因 为 这 个 竞 争 去 流 向 了 一 些 竞 争 的 车 型 啊 , 也 包 括 传 统 的 品 牌 , 也 包 括 新 的 一 些 品 牌 , 竞 争 肯 定 是 更 加 激 烈 了 啊 。 当 然 也 有 一 些 内 部 竞 争 关 系 , 比 如 说 , 有 一 些 原 来 的 ES7 的 用 户 , 他 们 可 能 会 流 向 ES6, 包 括 有 一 些 ET5 的 用 户 ,
可 能 会 等 待 我 们 ET5 Touring 版 啊 , 等 等 吧 , 都 是 一 些 比 较 真 实 的 一 些 情 况 。 我 们 现 在 也 当 然 针 对 这 样 的 情 况 , 会 有 一 些 针 对 性 的 调 整 和 措 施 , 近 期 我 们 也 会 在 渠 道 , 在 组 织 架 构 , 在 营 销 的 策 略 方 面 也 会 进 行 一 些 针 对 性 的 调 整 。
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
Thank you, Paul, for your question. Last year, we launched the three products EC7, ES7 and ET5. To be honest, in terms of, the recent performance of these three products, including the Q2, we understand that the market performance of these three products is lagging behind of our expectations. If we look at the factors that affecting the performance of these three products, just like I mentioned before, last year, for the users that purchased those three products, they have more user rights and benefits, and they can enjoy the national subsidies. This year, for the users purchasing these three products, apple to apple comparison, the cost increase is around RMB 10,000-RMB 20,000.
At the same time, if we look at the microenvironment, we can see the market competition is also getting intensified. Some users are choosing probably some other new brands or some traditional brands over products. This is one factor. Another factor is the internal cannibalization or competition. For example, some ES7 users may decided to choose ES6 instead of the ES7, and for some ET5 users, probably they decided to wait a little bit for the ET5 Touring. This is the situation that we are facing right now. That is why we decided to probably we are going to make some adjustment in the near term in terms of our sales channel and network, as well as of organization structure and our sales and marketing strategy and policies.
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
那 当 然 我 觉 得 今 年 我 们 新 上 了 这 些 NT2 的 车 , 呃 , 我 们 倒 不 认 为 我 们 完 全 不 有 , 没 有 这 样 的 担 心 啊 。 从 目 前 的 情 况 来 看 的 话 , 比 如 说 我 们 今 年 是 第 一 , 第 一 辆 交 的 是 EC7, 啊 那 我 们 交 付 完 了 以 后 , 它 的 需 求 还 是 非 常 的 稳 定 的 啊 。 那 么 呃 , 当 然 我 们 ES6 啊 , 从 目 前 来 讲 的 话 , 我 们 对 它 后 边 的 表 现 还 是 非 常 有 信 心 的 啊 。
呃 , 所 以 总 的 来 说 , 呃 , 今 年 的 这 样 的 一 些 , 呃 , 新 的 ,这 , 这 样 的 一 些 车 型 , 我 们 的 信 心 都 非 常 高 , 啊 , 包 括 ES8, 啊 其 实 ES8 最 近 我 们 , 呃 , 近 期 我 们 会 交 付 , 但 我 们 最 近 的 这 些 预 订 单 的 数 量 应 该 说 是 远 超 过 我 们 自 己 的 预 期 啊 。 那 么 所 以 总 的 来 说 , 我 们 觉 得 这 个 外 部 的 一 些 干 扰 因 素 其 实 比 去 年 是 要 少 了 很 多 ,
啊 包 括 新 车 上 市 的 一 些 质 量 、 节 奏 ,呃 , 应 该 , 应 该 说 是 更 加 在 一 个 平 稳 的 状 态 下 去 做 这 些 事 情 。 所 以 总 的 来 说 , 我 , 我 的 , 我 们 的 信 心 度 是 觉 得 今 年 我 们 交 付 的 这 五 款 新 车 , 呃 , 会 有 正 常 的 一 个 节 奏 。 当 然 像 ET7, 啊 , 我 们 今 年 也 做 了 一 个 2023 款 , 啊 , 我 们 其 实 开 始 交 付 了 以 后 , 呃 , 表 现 也 是 达 到 了 我 们 的 预 期 的 。
呃 , 所 以 总 的 来 说 , 呃 , 我 们 相 信 这 个 , 这 个 , 这 个 今 年 的 这 些 产 品 的 节 奏 会 更 好 一 些 。
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
For the five new products based on the new technology platform 2.0 that we launched this year, we do not have this concern.
The first product we launched this year is EC7. After the delivery of EC7, we can see the demand is actually quite stable. As for the ES6, just now I have mentioned that we are very confident about the sales performance of ES6 after the product ramp up. For this year, we are very confident of our speaking for all the new products we launched this year, including the ES8. We are about to start the delivery of the ES8 in the near term.
Currently, we can see that the reservation order performance is actually higher than our expectations. We believe, right now, the current pace of our product quality and the product go to market is actually much better than before. We believe for these five new products based on the NT 2.0 technology platform, should be able to reach reasonable performance in terms of its delivery ramp up. Recently we have also launched the 2023 ET7.
After the delivery of ET7, we believe it can also meet our expectations, and the order performance is also quite stable.
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
Thank you, Gong.
Paul Gong (Analyst)
那 我 第 二 个 问 , 呃 , 第 二 个 , 第 二 个 问 题 来 说 的 话 , 是 那 个 高 价 产 品 和 低 价 , 啊 高 价 品 牌 和 低 价 品 牌 的 一 个 区 别 和 就 是 , 呃 , 应 该 说 蔚 来 现 在 因 为 品 牌 和 这 个 服 务 的 优 秀 , 还 是 有 一 定 的 这 个 定 价 , 定 价 权 的 , 就 是 从 早 期 的 时 候 , 啊 ,ES6 跟 Model Y 差 不 多 的 价 格 , 到 现 在 其 实 是 要 贵 整 整 十 万 。 呃 但 是 在 这 种 定 价 上 面 的 话 ,
不 管 是 从 毛 利 率 还 是 经 营 利 润 率 , 呃 , 实 话 实 说 , 还 是 没 有 , 没 有 达 到 一 种 很 理 想 的 一 种 状 态 。 那 我 们 在 推 出 阿 尔 卑 斯 之 后 的 话 , 那 个 价 格 的 环 境 , 啊 包 括 它 所 在 的 一 个 板 块 , 应 该 说 是 这 压 力 还 会 更 大 。 就 如 果 我 们 在 卖 这 个 呃 , 昂 贵 的 产 品 的 时 候 , 这 个 毛 利 率 和 经 营 利 润 率 都 , 都 像 这 个 样 子 的 话 ,
我 们 怎 么 样 展 望 阿 尔 卑 斯 , 呃 , 这 个 品 牌 所 带 来 的 一 个 利 润 率 呢 ? 谢 谢 。
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
其 实 现 在 , 整 个 品 牌.
Paul Gong (Analyst)
Oh, sorry, I forget.
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
在 电 动 车 这 一 部 分 -
Paul Gong (Analyst)
Sorry, forget to translate. Sorry I forget to translate. My second question is regarding the marginal look of the high-ends NIO brands versus the low-ends Alps brands. NIO brands remains to be relatively expensive, thanks to the branding and the excellent service the company has been offering, but yet to achieve on satisfactory or kind of like excellent margins. When you are moving towards Alps, to the relatively lower ends, how do you foresee the margin would be like, especially compared to the high-end ones? Thank you.
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
对 , 其 实 现 在 , 呃 , 如 果 去 看 的 话 呢 , 呃 , 现 在 确 实 还 在 一 个 品 牌 的 一 个 , 呃 , 这 个 混 沌 期 吧 , 就 现 在 在 用 户 在 选 这 个 , 呃 , 目 前 还 是 按 照 价 格 去 选 , 啊 , 所 以 品 牌 , 比 如 说 我 们 的 产 品 的 先 , 先 进 性 , 我 们 服 务 的 这 样 的 一 个 , 呃 , 体 验 的 这 样 一 个 领 先 性 , 包 括 我 们 产 品 服 务 社 区 这 样 的 一 些 整 个 体 系 的 这 样 一 个 , 呃 , 全 ,
全 程 体 验 的 这 样 一 个 体 验 吧 , 我 觉 得 可 能 还 没 办 法 反 映 成 为 一 个 , 这 个 , 呃 , 产 品 的 价 格 , 就 是 说 价 值 还 没 有 办 法 反 映 成 为 价 格 , 这 个 其 实 是 现 在 在 一 个 , 呃 , 当 下 的 一 个 , 一 个 , 一 个 , 这 是 一 个 reality, 啊 。 但 我 觉 得 长 期 来 讲 的 话 呢 , 最 终 还 是 会 回 归 这 个 价 值 的 , 我 们 这 个 当 然 还 是 会 有 信 心 的 。 那 么 产 品 和 服 务 的 价 值 ,
长 期 来 说 肯 定 还 是 会 被 用 户 认 可 的 。 如 果 去 看 的 话 呢 , 当 然 也 有 一 些 外 部 因 素 了 , 比 如 说 这 个 理 价 啊 等 等 这 样 的 一 些 这 个 变 动 啊 , 也 影 响 了 一 下 我 们 的 毛 利 率 。 啊 如 果 去 看 的 话 , 我 们 在 二 零 二 一 年 的 时 候 , 当 然 我 们 是 可 以 达 到 二 十 多 的 毛 利 率 的 , 啊 , 这 个 其 实 对 我 们 来 说 也 并 不 是 一 个 没 有 实 现 的 事 情 。 如 果 理 价 现 在 回 到 一 个 理 性 的 水 平 ,
我 们 当 然 并 不 是 要 实 现 二 十 的 毛 利 率 , 也 并 不 是 一 个 那 么 难 的 事 情 啊 , 所 以 比 较 公 平 地 去 看 这 个 事 情 的 话 , 那 长 期 来 讲 , 当 然 随 着 规 模 , 随 着 管 理 的 效 率 , 随 着 我 们 在 一 些 , 呃 , 关 键 的 这 样 的 一 些 部 件 方 面 的 一 个 , 这 个 , 这 个 垂 直 整 合 和 自 研 的 这 样 的 一 些 进 展 , 我 们 当 然 觉 得 超 过 二 十 到 二 十 , 我 们 实 现 二 十
五 的 毛 利 率 当 然 是 有 很 现 实 的 基 础 的 。那 么 从 阿 尔 卑 斯 的 角 度 来 讲 呢 , 它 当 然 会 不 太 一 样 啊 , 它 可 能 就 是 围 , 围 绕 着 它 的 价 格 区 间 去 找 一 个 最 优 解 啊 。 那 我 们 当 然 也 看 到 了 , 有 些 公 司 可 以 在 , 呃 , 在 一 个 二 十 多 的 这 个 二 十 多 万 的 价 格 , 能 做 出 二 十 多 的 毛 利 , 我 不 认 为 这 中 间 有 什 么 诀 窍 , 更 多 的 还 是 产 品 定 义 方 面 的 一 些 问 题 。
那 当 然 , 如 果 你 像 NIO 这 样 所 有 的 这 个 , 这 个 一 千 多 T 的 算 力 , 这 个 三 十 多 个 传 感 器 都 是 标 配 的 , 这 个 成 本 就 在 那 , 你 是 神 仙 , 你 你 也 没 办 法 把 这 个 成 本 降 下 来 。 所 以 我 们 还 是 关 键 是 要 把 这 个 价 值 让 用 户 能 够 感 知 到 , 这 是 我 们 的 一 个 主 要 的 任 务 。 从 阿 尔 卑 斯 的 角 度 来 讲 的 话 , 我 们 一 点 都 不 担 心 它 毛 利 率 的 情 况 ,
因 为 我 们 非 常 清 楚 它 的 产 品 定 义 是 怎 么 去 定 义 的 。 从 NIO 来 讲 的 话 呢 , 我 们 就 是 按 照 这 个 价 格 去 定 义 的 , 这 个 , 这 个 我 们 的 产 品 , 所 以 , 呃 , 它 实 现 它 的 毛 利 当 然 会 有 一 些 时 间 的 , 但 我 们 总 的 来 说 , 我 们 不 觉 得 , 呃 , 我 们 不 觉 得 这 是 一 个 不 可 能 的 事 情 。
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
Thank you for your question. Regarding the brand positioning, I believe right now is a very chaotic period for the brand positioning. In for the users, for most of the users, in the majority of the times, they choose the products based on the price. Right now, in terms of a product, of our service, as well as of our technology and experience, so we believe we are much better than others in those different areas. The values of our product and services and the technologies are not reflected in the perceived value and the price of the products.
This is the reality that we're facing right now, but we believe for the long run, the value of our product and services are well be recognized by the users and by the market. At the same time, we do face some challenges in the microenvironment. For example, the lithium carbonate cost has significantly impacted our vehicle growth margin. Back in 2021, we have reached around 20% vehicle growth margin, at that time, we believe, if the lithium carbonate cost goes back to a reasonable level, we should still have a chance to reach 20% of vehicle growth margin....
In the long term, we believe in terms of the economies of scale and the efficiency improvement, as well as the vertical integration of our core components and the in-house R&D capabilities, there's a strong base for us to achieve a 20% vehicle gross margin. That's for NIO, but for Alps, the strategy is very different. Because we believe that in terms of the vehicle's gross margin, it's actually more about how you define the product and how you design the product. For Alps, it's more about finding the best solution in the specific segment that Alps brand targets at.
For us, if we look at the market, we see some companies, they sell the product at a price of around RMB 200,000, but they can still achieve over 20% vehicle gross margin, so it shows that this is achievable. For NIO, because we have many high specs configurations in our product, for example, the over 1,000 top, the computing powers and all those smart features, it will be very difficult for us to lower the cost on those components, and this will affect us in terms of lowering the price of our products. But for Alps, it's different.
When we define Alps products, of course, the target for us is to achieve reasonable vehicle gross margin, and we believe that it is reasonable and is possible for us to achieve the 20% vehicle gross margin.
Paul Gong (Analyst)
Thank you so much, William, for your kind sharing. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Your next question comes from Jane Jang from CICC. Please go ahead.
Jing Chang (Equity Research Analyst)
Thank you, 语 管 理 层 分 享 。 我 这 边 跟 你 两 个 问 题 , 就 是 分 别 是 关 于 NOP Plus, 支 架 , 然 后 以 及 , 我 们 的 换 电 站 。 那 因 为 时 间 比 较 有 限 , 我 这 边 直 接 就 用 英 文 , 传 输 问 题 了 。 My first question is about our NOP Plus. Our NOP Plus Beta has been open for trial for several months. Can you share the user's data, such as usage time or accumulated mileage, or average takeover mileage during this period?
How is their feedback? We can see the official version will be charged for subscription. Can you share more of your understanding of subscription charge? Also, in the second half of this year, we can see that Highway navigation function to swapping station will be further launched. What do we think of the improvement of customers' experience with this new function? Last one is there any time plan for our city NOA function in the second half of the year?
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
Yeah. 我 来 回 答 那 个 NOP 相 关 的 问 题 , Steven, 你 回 答 一 下 那 个 换 电 的 事 情 。 那 么 , 我 们 现 在 这 个 NOP, 这 个 Plus, 我 们 是 ...
呃 , 已 经 这 个 , 这 个 已 经 有 五 万 多 用 户 在 使 用 , 那 么 已 经 总 共 的 这 个 使 用 里 程 已 经 超 过 了 四 千 一 百 万 公 里 , 啊 , 每 周 还 有 两 三 , 两 , 超 过 两 百 万 公 里 的 这 个 使 用 吧 。 应 该 说 , 这 个 , 呃 , 它 的 表 现 还 是 非 常 的 好 的 。 呃 , 我 们 这 个 已 经 在 测 试 啊 , 已 经 开 始 来 测 试 我 们 的 城 区 的 一 些 领 航 辅 助 的 功 能 啊 , 那 我 们 在 ...
呃 , 当 然 它 会 有 这 个 城 区 的 这 个 应 用 的 场 景 , 那 我 们 在 今 年 合 适 的 时 候 会 , 会 , 也 会 进 行 更 多 的 这 个 城 市 的 测 试 啊 , 开 放 给 用 户 。 呃 , 那 么 整 个 反 馈 , 呃 , 我 们 目 前 自 己 的 评 估 的 话 , 呢 , 我 觉 得 还 是 对 它 的 体 验 还 是 非 常 有 信 心 的 。 当 然 在 远 的 将 来 , 我 们 在 法 规 , 还 有 各 方 面 都 允 许 的 情 况 下 ,
我 们 也 会 测 试 和 推 出 我 们 的 NAD 的 这 个 服 务 啊 。 所 以 整 个 来 说 , 这 方 面 啊 , 我 们 按 照 我 们 的 这 个 技 术 路 线 都 在 往 前 推 进 。
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
Thank you for your question. I will answer the NOP+ related question, and then Steven is going to address the questioning about the Power Swap Stations. For the NOP+, right now, we have over 50,000 users using the NOP+ services. For us, the accumulated mileage of the NOP+ is over 41 million kilometers. Every week, the mileage is around 2 million kilometers. We have already started the test of the NOP+ in the city scenarios and use cases. This year, we're going to accelerate the test of the NOP+ in the city use cases or the urban use cases. When it gets ready, we will also release this feature to the users.
Based on our internal evaluation right now, we are very confident regarding the performance of the NOP+ in the urban scenarios. At the same time, regarding the NAD, we are also doing some tests, and if in the future the regulations and the laws are in the right place for the NOP+ to release it, then we will release the NAD for our users when the regulations is in the right place. We believe that this is probably right now, all the R&D of our NOP+ and NAD is basically on track and according to our schedule.
Jing Chang (Equity Research Analyst)
好 的 , 谢 谢 。 那 我 的 第 二 个 问 题 是 关 于 那 个 换 电 站 , my second question is about the battery swapping station. Yeah, we can see that you have gotten nearly 1,500 station at present. Now, and nearly we can see 200 of the stations has been added since this year. Have you seen that the denser of our battery swapping stations network has been built and is quite good for ourselves of our new models, especially for our penetration of lower tier cities?
Steven Feng (CFO)
Chang, this is Steven. I think the short answer is a very clear yes. We have seen a very clear flywheel effect between the Power Swap Station network and our sales growth. As Min just mentioned, we have already deployed 1,500 Power Swap Stations across China. At the end of this year, the number of Power Swap Stations will rise to around 2,400. Every day, we offer around 60,000-70,000 times of power source to our users. On average, every day, one Power Swap Station offers 40-50 times of power swaps to our users. That means, on one hand, our users rely on Power Swap Station as their favorite charging method. On the other hand, the Power Swap Stations are very efficiently utilized.
That's why we see a clear flywheel effect, and that's why we are very determined to accelerate our Power Swap Station deployment. Also, we are very confident that more Power Swap Stations will lead to more sales growth. Actually, in the Yangtze River and some Tier one cities, we have seen that, as after all, the charging experience improves, our sales volume also grow. That's why we are very confident that with more and more Power Swap Stations penetrate into the low-tier cities, naturally, NIO sales will lead to a very strong momentum or a solid growth in the low-tier cities.
Last but not least, I think looking forward, as more and more OEMs seriously look at Power Swap Stations as a more or less standard way, the Power Swap Stations will become a more and more convenient way for more and more EV users.
Jing Chang (Equity Research Analyst)
嗯 , 好 的 , 好 的 。 谢 谢 , 谢 谢 Steven。
Steven Feng (CFO)
Thank you.
Jing Chang (Equity Research Analyst)
Steven, 谢谢, 没 有 问 题 。
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Your next question comes from Vijay Rakesh from Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead.
Vijay Rakesh (Managing Director and Senior Semiconductor Analyst)
Yeah, hi. Just a quick question. You know, given some of the new ramps, the five-year models, and looks like you're getting good response on it, would you expect second half, or even Q3, production run rates to get to the 20,000 per month on average? Just wondering, what the expectation is on second half to first half deliveries?
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
谢 谢 。 我 觉 得 从 我 们 来 讲 的 话 , 我 们 下 半 年 每 个 月 超 过 20,000 台 , 当 然 是 我 们 的 一 个 , 一 个 目 标 , 我 们 认 为 我 们 是 非 常 有 信 心 完 成 这 个 。 谢 谢 。
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
Thank you, Vijay, for your question. Of course, for us, the target for the second quarter of this year is to deliver over 20,000 units every month, and we are very confident to achieve this target.
Vijay Rakesh (Managing Director and Senior Semiconductor Analyst)
Got it. Just one other question. If you look at some of the subsidies moving to Tier Two cities.
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
What?
Vijay Rakesh (Managing Director and Senior Semiconductor Analyst)
Is that a near-term, could that be a challenge for NIO, given you don't have enough swap stations, et cetera, on the Tier Two cities, et cetera.Thanks. Vijay.
William Li (Founder, Chairman of the Board, and CEO)
我 们 这 个 今 年 我 们 会 部 署 这 个 1,000 座 换 电 站 , 当 然 有 这 个 , 大 部 分 是 在 高 速 , 当 然 我 们 还 有 其 他 的 , 很 多 会 部 署 到 一 些 Tier 3, Tier 4 的 city 去 , 我 们 觉 得 这 些 对 销 量 的 推 动 会 是 非 常 直 接 的 。 我 们 目 前 我 们 已 经 开 始 在 提 速 , 从 五 月 份 开 始 , 我 们 已 经 在 部 署 换 电 站 , 从 四 月 份 开 始 吧 , 五 月 份 我 们 开 始 在 提 速 。
六 月 份 的 话 呢 , 我 们 希 望 能 够 这 个 部 署 , 这 个 接 近 100 座 换 电 站 , 后 续 的 这 个 , 这 个 速 度 会 越 来 越 快 , 这 些 当 然 会 反 映 到 我 们 对 销 量 的 提 升 上 。
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
This year, our target is to deploy 1,000 additional Power Swap Stations, and the full majority of those Power Swap Stations will be deployed on highways, and some of them will be installed in the Tier three and the Tier four cities. We believe that this is going to directly boost the sales performance of our products. Actually, in April, we started the deployment of the Power Swap Station 3.0, and we accelerated the deployment in May. In June, we believe we're going to deploy around 100 Power Swap Station 3.0, and we believe gradually from now on, we're going to speed up the deployment of the Power Swap Stations.
Vijay Rakesh (Managing Director and Senior Semiconductor Analyst)
Thank you.
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
Thank you, Vijay.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'll now like to turn the call back to the company for closing remarks.
Eve Tang (Director of Investor Relations)
Thank you once again for joining us today. If you have further questions, please feel free to contact the NIO's Investor Relations team through the contact information provided on our website. This concludes the conference call. You may now disconnect your line. Thank you.