Q3 2024 Earnings Summary
- NV5 has a strong backlog going into 2025, stronger than in the prior year, making them "pretty bullish" about future growth.
- The company is experiencing positive growth in its data center services, working with four major hyperscale clients in the U.S., surpassing 1 gigawatt of data center load assessed, and is seeing a ramp-up in both domestic and international markets.
- With the easing of interest rates, NV5 anticipates continued growth in its real estate transaction business, which has started to show improvements, and they are "very encouraged" with the direction of the real estate market.
- Restatement of prior period financials due to misstatements in revenue recognition for a single customer at Axim, which may raise concerns about accounting practices and internal controls.
- Headwinds in the MEP business, with higher interest rates leading to delays or holds on large CapEx projects in the commercial and life sciences sectors.
- Uncertainty in federal government contracts impacting the Geospatial segment, as clients are under a continuing resolution and contract renewals cannot be guaranteed timely.
Metric | Period | Previous Guidance | Current Guidance | Change |
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Revenue Guidance | FY 2024 | $944 million to $950 million | $1 billion revenue run rate by the end of FY 2024 | raised |
Backlog | FY 2024 | no prior guidance | $914 million | no prior guidance |
Future Guidance | FY 2025 | no prior guidance | New revenue guidance for FY 2025 | no prior guidance |
Caution in Guidance | FY 2024 | no prior guidance | Revised guidance citing conservatism due to weather delays and winter conditions | no prior guidance |
Impact of Adjustments | FY 2024 | no prior guidance | $0.06 adjustment | no prior guidance |
Topic | Previous Mentions | Current Period | Trend |
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Data Center Services Growth and Expansion | Q2 emphasized a revenue target ($400M over 5 years), 30% organic growth, acquisitions and power delivery challenges. Q1 and Q4 focused on international leadership, domestic expansion, and addressing power delivery needs via expertise in MEP. | Q3 highlighted domestic growth driven by strong hyperscaler relationships, strategic acquisitions (adding new hyperscale clients), leadership in Asia Pacific, and significant emphasis on power delivery—with a volume milestone of 1 gigawatt load assessed. | Consistent focus with enhanced emphasis on strategic acquisitions and power delivery as a growth lever. |
Real Estate Transactions and Construction Business Performance | Q2 noted a $60M annual business with improvements expected as rates ease. Q1 reported strong quarter‐over‐quarter organic growth and a rebound in transactional volumes. Q4 described a turnaround marked by increased volume, assignments, and profitability in real estate and CQA. | Q3 discussed positive impact from easing interest rates with strong operating results across both transactional groups, reinforcing growth trends. | Consistent and strengthening performance as market conditions improve. |
Government Contract Uncertainty Affecting the Geospatial Segment | Q2 explained that resolution of the continuing resolution revived federal contracts, while Q1 mentioned delays due to the resolution and subsequent recovery. Q4 focused on federal budget delays, margin dilution, and dependency on federal spending. | Q3 described a "quiet period" with federal clients due to the continuing resolution but highlighted a strong backlog and bullish future outlook. | Ongoing cautious sentiment with persistent uncertainty yet improved outlook through a robust backlog. |
Mergers & Acquisitions Strategy and Integration Challenges | Q2 and Q1 detailed active acquisition targets, contribution to revenue, and noted integration and transactional costs impacting margins. Q4 reiterated an active, opportunistic M&A approach with acquisitions (Axim, VIS, CHW) and integration challenges affecting margins. | Q3 emphasized strategic acquisitions that strengthen service platforms, citing examples such as California Water Resources Group and myBIMteam, without calling out integration challenges. | Consistent strategic focus on acquisitions with reduced emphasis on integration challenges in Q3. |
Organic Revenue Growth Targets and EBITDA Margin Trends | Q2 set a 6%–10% organic growth target with margins around 16.3% and expectations to reach 17% for full year. Q1 highlighted 8% organic growth with an EBITDA margin of 13.5% expected to improve to 17%+. Q4 noted modest organic growth and anticipated margin improvements constrained by acquisition integrations. | Q3 reported 6% organic growth and an adjusted EBITDA margin of 18%—an expansion of 230 basis points from the prior year. | Consistent growth targets with a progressively positive margin trend. |
Electrification Initiatives and Utility Services Demand | Q2 discussed grid modernization costs of $42B, renewables growth drivers, and efficiency in undergrounding transmission lines. Q1 emphasized grid hardening, underground design, and leveraging geospatial tech for utility services. Q4 highlighted widespread electrification initiatives, weather-related grid hardening, and new EV charging station contracts driving demand. | Q3 reiterated the importance of utility services, noting that the vertical contributed 28% of revenues, record project awards ($33M), and strong demand from data centers for enhanced power delivery solutions. | Consistent and robust focus, with enduring strategic cross‐selling and growing project wins. |
Backlog Strength as an Indicator of Future Growth | Q2 reported an increased backlog at $877M, with significant contributions from Geospatial and Building Technology segments. Q1’s backlog was noted at $838M, reflecting a solid pipeline with major awards. Q4 maintained a backlog of $838M with around one-third linked to geospatial, expecting future growth if resolution delays ease. | Q3 reported a strengthened backlog of $914M and highlighted encouraging budgets for 2025 as a positive indicator for meeting a $1B revenue run rate by year-end. | Increasing backlog strength reinforces a positive long‐term growth outlook. |
Accounting Controls and Restatement Issues | Q4 (and earlier Q1/Q2) did not prominently address these matters; they were not a focal point in earlier calls [—]. | Q3 included a brief discussion on a small restatement ($0.06) and outlined that detailed adjustments would be provided in the Form 10-Q, with overall confidence expressed in resolution. | A new minor focus in Q3, indicating resolution and low prominence compared to earlier periods. |
Cash Flow and Liquidity Concerns from Unbilled Receivables and Tax Changes | Q4 discussed concerns about $15M drawdown in unbilled receivables and the impact of Section 174(d) leading to $19M extra tax payments. Q1 and Q2 addressed cash flow performance, with Q1 showing strong operational cash flow and Q2 noting working capital impacts as receivables converted to cash. | Q3 did not mention cash flow or liquidity concerns relating to unbilled receivables or tax changes. | No current period mention; the topic appears to have diminished in focus. |
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Guidance Revision and Restatement
Q: Could you comment on the revision to guidance?
A: Despite a very strong third quarter with record revenue, gross profit, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EPS, and cash flow, we decided to be conservative heading into year-end. The guidance revision reflects an abundance of caution, factoring in a $0.06 impact from a single Axim customer issue, which accounts for roughly half the change. We anticipate a strong Q4 but want to remain cautious. -
Data Center Growth Opportunities
Q: What are the opportunities in data center projects?
A: We've expanded to four major players in the U.S., and internationally we're more established. We recently surpassed one gigawatt of data center load assessed this year. Growth ahead is particularly strong in the power delivery side, as getting power to sites is a huge opportunity. Our MEP group and commissioning are working closely with our power delivery team to meet clients' high demand. -
Headwinds in MEP Segment
Q: Could you elaborate on headwinds in MEP?
A: The commercial space has been impacted for a while. In the Northeast, some life sciences clients have slowed down major projects. However, we're not being told no on proposals, and we were recently awarded a ground-up casino, one of our largest projects since Fontainebleau. We expect projects on hold to move ahead early next year. -
Impact of Trump Election on Business
Q: How will Trump's election affect your business lines?
A: We benefit from both increased and decreased regulation. Infrastructure demand remains high; we're expecting tailwinds to continue. If interest rates come down, we'll see a rebound in real estate transactions. Our geospatial work is bipartisan; we don't see changes there. Clients were seeking certainty, and with the election decided, we expect projects on hold to proceed. -
Geospatial Contracts and Backlog
Q: Are you seeing normal geospatial contract flows?
A: We're in a quiet period after the federal fiscal year-end and are on a continuing resolution we expect to be resolved in the lame-duck session. We have a strong backlog, stronger than last year heading into '25, making us very bullish. -
Real Estate Transaction Outlook
Q: Any updates on real estate transactions with rate easing?
A: With easing interest rates, we anticipate growth in our real estate transaction business. It's dependent on when loans balloon and actual transactions. Business increases as rates decrease. We've seen strong results from our Global Realty and Bock & Clark groups and are encouraged by the market's direction. -
Organic Growth Expectations
Q: Do you still support your organic growth targets?
A: Investor Day presentations are aspirational and goal-oriented, sometimes differing from earnings call projections. We're confident in our projected organic growth and aim to exceed those goals to keep our team motivated. -
Acquisition Contributions
Q: What revenue came from recent acquisitions?
A: Acquisitions in 2024 contributed $11.3 million in the last three months and $22.2 million in the last nine months. All publicly announced acquisitions are included in our guidance. -
Backlog for Q3
Q: What was the backlog number for Q3?
A: The backlog for Q3 is $914 million. It's noted in our deck on Slide 4, top right corner. All segments are growing organically, with higher growth in our international and geospatial businesses, which are more stable and subscription-based. -
Revenue Recognition Issue with Axim
Q: Can you detail the revised financials and 10-Q timing?
A: The revision is due to a single customer at Axim, acquired in February last year. The impact is not material, and the 10-Q should be filed by Tuesday of next week, if not sooner. It's a timing issue, with revenue recognized as earned going forward.
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