Navigator Holdings - Earnings Call - Q2 2021

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Speaker 0

Thank you for standing by, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Navigator Holdings Conference Call on the Second Quarter twenty twenty one Financial Results. We have with us Mr. David Butters, Executive Chairman Mr. Harry Deans, Chief Executive Officer Mr. Niall Nolan, Chief Financial Officer and Mr.

Oyvind Lindemann, Chief Commercial Officer. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question and answer session. I must advise you that this conference is being recorded today. And now I pass the floor to one of your speakers, Mr.

Butters. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Lenny, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Navigator Second Quarter Earnings twenty twenty one Conference Call. As we conduct today's conference call, we will be making various forward looking statements. These statements include, but not limited to, future expectations, plans and prospects for both financial and operational perspective. These forward looking statements are based upon management assumptions and forecasts and expectations as of today's date and are as such subject to material risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ significantly from our forward looking information and financial forecasts.

Additional information about these factors and assumptions are included in our annual and quarterly reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Now before I hand off the call to Harry, I just have some brief comments and observations. It's just about two weeks ago when we closed the acquisition of the Ultragaz entity, the owner of 18 high quality LPG vessels. Harry and the rest of our team will have more to say about the importance of these transactions later on the call. But first, I want to personally welcome the former Ultragaz employees who have recently joined Navigator.

From everything I've heard and seen, you possess the same professional skills and enthusiasm demonstrated by our own Navigator team over many years. We need you and trust you will continue to enjoy a work environment that excites you and stretches your professional talent. I would also like to formally welcome our three new directors, Peter Stokes and Don Von Aupin join us and represent the Von Aupin family, the ultimate owner of now 28% of Navigators common stock. I have known these two gentlemen for over two decades, and I can attest that these two gentlemen are good business people and have strong judgment and of a fine character. Also joining our Board is Andreas Lohmann Powell.

Mr. Powell has also has a comes from a long history in shipping that goes back many decades and crosses several continents. We are very pleased that all these three gentlemen have agreed to join the board and I am confident that they will contribute significantly to the ongoing success of the company. And I make an observation that Navigator is now a very special entity with two companies, two storied shipping companies in the business for many, many years, each owning a 28 interest in Navigator. It shows tremendous confidence and vision of what Navigator can do.

We had great belief it could do it on its own, but now with two real pillars beside us, I think it is an extraordinary situation and it can only be a sign of success. So Harry, let me pass the call over to you and the rest of your team to fill us in on what transpired over these last three months.

Speaker 2

Thank you, David, and good morning to everyone on the call. I hope you're well. As you will have seen from our statement today, this quarter has continued to be impacted by the hangover from the Southern Freeze and the other macroeconomic events, which have impacted income. Despite this, however, this is our fifth profitable quarter in succession with income translating into an earnings per share of $01 and when combined with our Q1 performance, Navigator Gas has had the best start to the year since 2016. Further, our operating revenues have increased to $85,900,000 and we have achieved an adjusted EBITDA of $28,200,000 Looking into the market more generally, Q2 twenty twenty one reflects the volatility in The U.

S. Orphans market caused by the well documented weather related issues on The U. S. Gulf Coast, which significantly reduced cracker output in the region and led to substantially reduced production, drawdown of inventories and a curtailment of exports from The U. S.

Gulf. Although production rates haven't increased, they have not risen as quickly as predicted and has therefore taken some time to replenish the ethylene pipeline. This coupled with continued production hiccups, patchy cracker reliability and strong domestic demand and pricing has favored U. S. Domestic supply over exports, which has had a knock on impact on our shipping business and with it the overall handysize utilization rates.

These production headwinds have continued into Q3 and currently show no sign of abating, although they have been partially offset by The U. S. Ethane exports and The U. S. Propylene import tailwinds, which have helped increase black hole opportunities for vessels returning to The U.

S. Gulf. With ethylene inventories at five year lows and the hurricane season still upon us, producers have prioritized building inventory over exports. As a result of these headwinds, utilization rates during the period were impacted and dipped to the mid-80s with the overall fleet utilization ending the quarter at 85.4%. These rates have continued into Q3 as olefins capacity restarts and The U.

S. Domestic olefins pipeline begins to be replenished, bringing with it strong domestic demand and pricing. All of this puts pressure on export volumes and the ethylene arbitrage, which has been extremely volatile. Although we are now well into August, the anticipated bounce back in export volumes and the reopening of The U. S.

To Asia ethylene arbitrage has yet to materialize in a substantive way, as can be seen in Slides 10 to 12 in the supplemental pack. Product that is moving is going to Europe, which brings with it diminished ton miles and a corresponding reduction in the number of vessels required to service that business. This is a short term hiccup on our journey. Despite the lumpy olefin export supply, our business remains on track to capitalize on further growth as the macro trading environment improves. And as we've previously announced, we integrate the Ultragas fleeting business with Navigators.

This transformative combination, which solidifies Navigator Gas as the market leader in the space, has created a stronger, larger and more diverse fleet of 56 vessels, which will enhance our market offering and provide much needed flexibility and support to our customers. Ultragaz's fleet of seven modern 22,000 cubic meter Handysize semi ref vessels, five twelve thousand cubic meter ethylene vessels and six gas carriers under 9,000 cubic meters will position us to engage new clients and markets through increased coverage and geographical reach. The enhanced scale and combined fleet will provide cost savings, significant synergies, increased buying power and efficiencies throughout our business, which will allow us to capitalize on the structural growth of LPG and petrochemical gases being exported from Repauno, Pembina and of course our own Morgan's Point JV terminals, all of which are now in stream. These incremental volumes combined with extremely low level of handysize newbuild activity, as can be seen in Slide 19 of the supplemental pack, will when often supply balances normalize and when The U. S.

To Asia ethylene arbitrage reopens, tighten the market, increase utilization and further improve TCE rates. The combination of our two businesses and the required due diligence went well. Our businesses and teams are so complementary and we were very pleased to complete the transaction on the August 4 on exactly the same commercial terms as agreed in the LOI. In addition, the combination has introduced Ultranav as well as the BW Group as another major investor with long standing experience in the maritime industry, which will benefit all of shareholders as intimated by David. We welcome to the board the three new directors who bring with them a wealth of maritime experience and financial knowledge.

As previously discussed, the transaction is accretive to Navigator's standalone budget in terms of anticipated revenue, EBITDA and EPS. Now moving on from the merger, our core business remains strong. In addition to the four twelve month time charters we previously announced, we are pleased that Mitsui has once again chosen Navigator to increase the capacity of propane moving from the terminal in Canada to customers in Asia. Already in Q2, over 125,000 tonnes of product has been moved along this brand new trade route between the West Coast Of North America and Asia, thus demonstrating why going directly across the Pacific, bypassing the need for Panama transit and minimizing transit times is so compelling. In addition, the underlying ethylene fundamentals remain unchanged.

U. S. Produced funds because of their advantaged ethane feedstock costs generate some of the best margins in the world. This will ensure product is priced for export when the supply demand balance returns to normal, bringing with it a resumption of export volumes and normalized pricing differentials between The U. S.

And Asia. Production from The U. S. Gulf Coast, often crackers, continues to be very lumpy and many facilities are still suffering from poor reliability following the numerous recent outages. This has led to a number of unplanned technical stoppages and shutdowns, which has rapidly swung pricing and balances.

On the face of this, our diverse fleet has moved record ethane and propylene volumes, which have helped to partially offset this reduction in volume. As always, we expect stronger winter volumes to underpin the utilization rates going forward. Our Morgan's Point, Epping JV terminal exported 155,000 tonnes in the quarter and returned to profit as it ramped up following the Q1 pipeline outage. Furthermore, our unique and now increased market position also remains unchallenged with the forward order book for newbuilds now standing at around 5% with minimal vessel deliveries in 2021 and 2022. 20% yes, that's right, 20% of the entire Handysize fleet is now more than 20 years old.

So there's really no pressure of vessel oversupply in our growing market. And efficiencies are also on the up with increased transit times in the Panama Canal, prolonged dry dockings and more COVID scares delaying vessel transits. With the three incremental U. S. Export terminals now completed and with Marcus Hook ME2 now running at 50% and ramping up, ME2X scheduled for start up in Q4.

We expect volumes to firm in the next few months. It's therefore no surprise that we maintain our positive outlook on short and medium term TCE rates and the handysize market in general as there are a lot of factors that should exert upward pressure on rates. To summarize, the macro trends are all pointing in the right direction. We have strengthened our business through our merger with Ultragaz and created the clear market leader in the space. We expect the merger will deliver many synergies and we will make our business safer and more efficient.

This coupled with our 56 vessels, our scale and our flexibility and diversity of our fleet, together with the unparalleled infrastructure investment, our business is uniquely placed to seize new market opportunities. This enviable position will ensure that we are well poised to capture the market upside when the short term ethylene supply issues are resolved. With those few remarks, I'd like to hand you over to our CFO, Niall Nolan, who will take you through our Q3 financials. Niall?

Speaker 3

Thanks, Harry, and good morning, everybody. We generated a net income of $300,000 for the 2021 compared to $3,000,000 for the second quarter of last year, although last year's profit was in a large part as a result of a reversal of foreign exchange losses made in the 2020 following the global markets' initial reaction to COVID. Adjusted EBITDA for this second quarter was €28,200,000 as Harry mentioned, and the EBITDA from the terminal operations was $3,400,000 resulting from revenue relating to 155,400 ethylene tons during the second quarter. Total operating revenue from the vessels during the quarter was $85,900,000 similar to the $85,700,000 generated last quarter Q1 twenty twenty one, but a 4% or $3,400,000 increase from the $82,500,000 during the second quarter of last year. This year on year increase was achieved as a result of an increase to average charter rates, which rose to approximately $22,200 per day or $675,000 per month from around twenty one thousand six hundred dollars per day or $657,000 per month a year ago.

But also this quarter's average charter rates were an increase from last quarter, Q1 twenty twenty one, when the average charter rates were $21,950 a day. Utilization, however, remained a challenge, as Harry mentioned, at 85.4% for the second quarter compared to 88.288.3% for Q2 last year and Q1 of this year, respectively. Seven vessels were in drydock for their scheduled surveys during the second quarter, taking a total of one hundred and fifty eight days, thus reducing revenue. This compared to only two vessels during the second quarter of last year as the effects of COVID prohibited or at least restricted ships going into drydock. The cost of the five dockings that were completed during the second quarter was approximately $7,500,000 In total, 14 vessels are scheduled to be dry docked during 2021, two of which were undertaken in the first quarter, seven this quarter and five remaining over the course of the next number of months.

The aggregate cost of the fourteen twenty twenty one dry dockings is estimated to be $19,300,000 Other than dry dockings, the company does not have any planned cash outlay for capital expenditures during 2021. Voyage expenses increased by 3,000,000 during the quarter to $17,700,000 from $14,700,000 for the second quarter of last year. These are pass through costs reflected in increased revenue and arose primarily as a result of an increase in the price of bunkers or fuel for our vessels. With respect to operating revenue and voyage expenses from the LUNAR pool, the operating revenue from the pool of $5,600,000 for the second quarter represents our share of the other participants' revenues, whereas voyage expenses from the pool of $5,500,000 represents the other participants' share of our revenues from the pool. Vessel operating expenses increased to $28,200,000 for the second quarter, equating to $8,336 per vessel per day compared to $7,661 per vessel per day during Q2 of last year.

Festalox operating expenses were $8,115 per day during the 2021, although this is an increase from last year, it is primarily as a result of the effects of COVID, which has resulted in some vessel operating expenses being deferred to this year. General and administrative costs were $6,300,000 for the quarter, a significant increase on the $4,500,000 during the second quarter of last year. However, the reduced G and A costs of last year were largely as a result of the reversal of the foreign exchange gains that I just mentioned from the first quarter of last year. And this second quarter's general and admin costs of $6,300,000 were consistent with those incurred during the first quarter of this year. The other income of $88,000 for the second quarter or $160,000 for the first six months relates to management fees received from the other participants of for the management of the LUN approval.

And interest costs for the second quarter were $8,600,000 $22,300,000 less than the same quarter last year, primarily as a result of reductions in U. S. LIBOR. Applicable U. S.

LIBOR remains low today at approximately 0.15%. And our share of results from the Ethylene Marine Export Terminal were a gain of $2,000,000 for the quarter based on the 155,000 tons mentioned earlier. In addition, depreciation for the terminal was $1,400,000 giving an EBITDA of $3,400,000 for the quarter from the terminal. The company had cash of $96,400,000 at June 30 against a minimum liquidity covenant of $41,400,000 In addition, we had a further $37,600,000 available from undrawn revolving credit facilities associated with our secured vessel loans, taking total cash available to $134,000,000 Our total debt at June 30 stood at $828,300,000 which incorporates six bank loan facilities secured by our vessels, a credit facility associated with the terminal and two Norwegian bonds. Of this debt amount, there are no loan maturities during the remainder of this year and only an aggregate of $50,000,000 repayable during 2022.

For the third quarter, we will be incorporating the results and balance sheet of Ultragaz with effect from August 1, the effective date of the transaction. Pro form a details are included in the supplementary information pack on our website. And with that, I'll hand you over to Ivan.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Nile, and good morning to all the callers. Operationally, the 2021 has been characterized by both commodity price volatility due to the lasting impact of the Texas freeze as well as likely short term shift of off takers from the Far East to European shores. If we turn to The U. S. Ethylene pricing first, we saw a peak of zero six four dollars per gallon at the height of the Texas freeze in February before then seeing a low of $0.26 per gallon during April.

As you can expect, this has in itself created unique market dynamics during this period and increased focus on ethylene inventories, which there previously wasn't, further increasing volatility during the period. Looking at more recent prices, U. S. Ethylene has since rallied from lows increasing to $0.55 per gallon following unscheduled shutdown of three plants combined with a delay in the startup of new cracker. However, corrections in pricing are slower than we previously estimated.

Despite this, the current Nova ethylene price, which is one of the benchmarks in The States, adjusted from $0.52 per gallon Monday last week to $0.39 per gallon five days later,

Speaker 2

which is quite a substantial drop, which is good.

Speaker 4

And the price of ethane as a piece that remains competitive on a global basis. Further, oil above $60 per barrel further supports international demand for U. S. Ethane and Italy. Despite the volatility, The U.

S. Increased second quarter ethylene exports by 40,000 tons to a total of 175,000 tons compared to the first quarter. Our rule of thumb is a nameplate capacity of about 100,000 tons per month proportion 80% Enterprise Navigator export terminal and 20% target terminal. And so we therefore see a lot of unrealized upside. Whilst our ethylene earnings are influenced by the amount of physical tons that are being exported, it is also influenced by the final destination.

During 2020 and 2021, about three quarters of the cargoes were shipped across The Pacific to Far East off takers. Most of the volumes during this second quarter, however, headed the other way to European offtakers resulting in shorter voyages. Until The U. S. Ethylene price reverts back to a more normal and less volatile state, we estimate continued exports to Europe as the arbitrage remains viable, which can be seen on Page 11 in the pack.

Most of our handysize ethylene carriers in the Luna Pool are trading in the spot market. When we have open capacity, we actively seek employment opportunities across the different petrochemical trades. One important opportunity lies with ethane. Year to date, we have exported the same volume of ethane as of ethylene from Houston. It is becoming an increasingly important part to our earnings base.

In total, our fleet loaded a record 90,000 tons of ethane during the month of June and increased ethane and ethylene proportion of our petrochemical earnings day to 60% for the quarter compared to 53% during the first quarter. Further, we are set to export a record amount of ethane from Marcus Hook for 2021 with additional volumes coming from the new Energy Transfer Orbeez export terminal in Nederland, Texas. We have the pleasure of having both the inaugural handysize and medium sized ethane load operations at this terminal during April. It is also the first time whereby all of our four ethane medium sized gas carriers are time chartered, connecting the three American ethane export terminals with international markets. During the period, we saw additional demand in propylene with Navigator already exceeding the number of propylene earnings days for the first seven months compared to full year 2020.

The arbitrage from east to west is predicted to continue into next year, providing additional ton mile demand to our now expanded semi refrigerated fleet. Finally, looking at the general global LPG trade, we have seen a sideways movement. Historic high U. S. LPG prices are not helping export rates and similar to ethylene, The U.

S. Needs to build up its inventories for the winter, which combined with the high price has reduced export despite increase in production. The somewhat dampened demand for LPG has resulted in time charter assessments to be adjusted across all gas segments during the quarter, with the midsized segment going from $720,000 per month to $685,000 per month and Handysize semi refrigerated moving from $670,000 per month to $635,000 per month at the end of the quarter. Despite this, we believe the trend should stabilize and turn over the next few months. This is based on eight items.

First, the order book. As Harry mentioned, it is continued historically low order book in our segment, which is always a positive for any shipping segment. Second, The U. S. Natural gas liquids, according to the EIA, U.

S. Recorded highest level of production in its latest figures, which is set to continue. Third, ethane. The new export opportunity for ethane from New Zealand, Texas, adding opportunity to our already increasing involvement with ethane trade. Fourth is ethylene.

North America ethylene pricing is forecast to revert back to arbitrage territory to Asia. However, whilst we wait, the volume set for Europe. And inventory levels for first half twenty twenty one is the lowest compared to the last five years, but it's set to change. Propylene, the record volume from propylene from East to West is expected to continue. And the handysize LPG exports is on the rise from East Coast, including from both Marcus Hook and Repaunal.

And in addition, we have one additional vessel heading for the Pacific Coast to enter the Canadian export program from Prince Rupert Terminal. Consolidation, Navigator and Ultragaz Handysize fleet are now marketed under one umbrella, improving our service platform towards our customers and enable us to better optimize our fleet planning. And lastly, but let's not forget ammonia. We have doubled our ammonia time charter coverage from two vessels at the beginning of the year to four vessels at end of this quarter. We recorded the highest amount of ammonia carried last month totaling 135,000 tons.

We expect ammonia to take a more prominent role to our contract coverage going forward. This includes the operational segments, and I would like to hand it back to David Butters. Thank you.

Speaker 1

I think we can take questions now, if that's appropriate.

Speaker 0

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Please then state your first and last name before you ask your question. And we will now take our first question. Please go ahead.

Your line is now open.

Speaker 5

Hi, guys. This is Sean Morgan from Evercore. So regarding terminal throughput, I think you guys said you did about 155,000. And with I think the kind of base nameplate capacity is supposed to be about 1,000,000 tons per annum. Sorry.

Have a little bit of a noise on the street here in Manhattan. So I guess, was the difference between the 250,000 tons you should be able to do and kind of the base nameplate versus what was done during the second quarter, was that an operational limitation? Or was that due to, I guess, to a lack of or slower demand relative to this arb that you kind of discussed on the call?

Speaker 4

Sean, it was not operational. It was relating to the pricing of U. S. Produced ethylene. So the reasons that Harry went into some detail on, the price was too high, so it made more sense for the producers to sell in The U.

S. Compared to exporting. Now that had all to do and the core the reason why was because of the Texas freeze and all the havoc that, that's caused with the production units. So that had a lingering effect into second quarter. But it's all to do with U.

S. Domestic production, low inventory level rather than the terminal itself.

Speaker 5

Okay. So with half of the quarter on the books now, are you seeing the run rate currently? Is that close to 2Q? Or have you kind of gotten a little bit of an improvement? Is that demand issue still, I guess, going to be a problem for Q3 in terms of the terminal exports?

Speaker 4

Yes. It's continuing in the same vein as the second quarter for the throughput themselves. August was low because unscheduled outages of various plants, so the three plants in particular, and there was a delay of a new one. However, as I just mentioned last week, from Monday to Friday, the Nova ethylene price in U. S.

Went from 52 to 39 in one week. So clearly, something is happening. So the market is trying to get back to normal state. Now some of the consumers of ethylene are building paying up and building inventory just to hedge themselves for hurricane season. So fingers crossed that is not happening.

But so there's several dynamics happening in The U. S. At the moment. So the pricing wants to come down. However, the inventory levels are low, causing this volatility.

But our expectation is that September, how we look now with the customers and so forth, is higher than August, but not near max capacity as we would like.

Speaker 2

Sean, it's Harry here. So if you remember the terminal, we have take or pay contracts in the terminal. So if the contracted parties decide not to put the volume down in the terminal, they still have to pay for the capacity. But there is a bit of a lag effect on that, but there is deficiency payments that our contracted partners will have to pay if they don't use the capacity as per the contract. So there is a bit of a balancing mechanism as well

Speaker 1

on the

Speaker 2

terminal profitability, Sean.

Speaker 5

Okay. And but those take or pay contracts were also in effect last quarter. So we should probably, I guess, gauge our expectations similar to Q2 and not overly optimistic on, I guess.

Speaker 2

Yes. Don't think you'd be far off by taking that assumption, Sean.

Speaker 5

Okay. All right. Thanks, guys. I'll turn it over in the interest of time. Appreciate it.

Speaker 0

Thank you. We will now take our next question. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Speaker 6

Ladies and gentlemen, it's Randy Giveans from Jefferies. How are you? Good.

Speaker 1

Hello, Randy. Hi, Randy.

Speaker 6

I had a couple of questions. You mentioned on the last call that fleet utilization is expected to be 90% plus in 3Q twenty twenty one. Is that still the guidance for this quarter? And what is utilization currently?

Speaker 4

So utilization is moving sideways similar to second quarter mid-80s due to the reasons that we discussed. But a, ethylene that is moving from the terminal is going to Europe as opposed to Asia, and there is less volume from the terminal itself. So that is one feature that has impacted ethylene side of things. However, some of the slack has been we've been pivoting carrying ethane instead, but it hasn't outweighed the loss of some of the ethylene ton mile demand.

Speaker 6

Okay. And I guess following up there, can you give guidance for what your expected throughput will be for the third quarter and even net income for the JV for this third quarter? I know you did 155,000 in the second quarter. What kind of number are we looking at for 3Q?

Speaker 2

Think Randy. It's Ali here. Yes. With regards to the terminal, I think we're going be in the same sort of ballpark as we were for Q2.

Speaker 6

Okay. All right. And then last question, just looking at the Ultragaz merger. So 11 of the 18 vessels acquired could be considered noncore or certainly smaller than your focused kind of handy size segment. So do you want to operate those smaller vessels?

Will you look to sell as some of your peers seem to be in the market for buying those smaller 5,000 to 11,000 CBM vessels? Or if you want to operate it, on the other hand, any interest in gaining further scale by acquiring additional small LPG vessels from another operator?

Speaker 2

Hi, Randy. It's Harry here again. The smaller vessels are operated through the Unigas pool, which is well established and one of the market leaders in that sphere. In fact, it's been about, I think, for almost as long as I have, sort of over fifty years, which is saying something. So they're pretty specialists that operate in those smaller gas carriers up to 15,000 cubic meters.

It seems to be working well. We've got two great partners in Slovene Neptune and Bernard Schulte. And not only are we part of that pool, we're actually an owner as well. So it's in our interest to optimize the efficiencies of that pool and to maximize the dividend back to the company. In terms of the strategy for those vessels, I think it's too early to say.

We'll continue with the pool. We'll continue to evaluate our options opposite those vessels. And also because you recall, Randy, because we're competitors, we weren't allowed to exchange sensitive commercial information with Ultragaz prior to the merger. Otherwise, we'd be accused of jumping the gun and get ourselves in lots of hot water with competition authorities. So we really only had two weeks to actually get in there and have a look.

But the good thing is once we did this merger, the very first thing that we did is make sure, as Ivan said, that we had one face to market with the customers. And the commercial team worked really hard on day one to make sure that nothing went wrong. We kept all the lights on, but more importantly, that the customers were serviced with one voice and one team. So the merger is going extremely well. As David said, we've got great people, great assets, great processes, great IT as well.

We're looking forward to sharing those across the company and seeing where we can get synergies and where we can optimize and boost efficiencies between the two companies.

Speaker 6

Got it. All right. Well, thanks so much.

Speaker 0

Thank you. We will now take our next question. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Speaker 7

Hey, So I have a couple. First, as I was going through the fleet list, I remember a number of the vessels there had been contracts or may still be contracts on a number of vessels and I was just going to check on where those stand. Specifically, I believe the CBER contracts are up for or there is an option for those to be renewed. Curious where those stand. Also there was the Braskem ethane contract, curious if that still exists.

Then also there was COAs on a number of ethylene vessels. And curious if that goes to pool how to think about that. So any color on those?

Speaker 4

Yes. Good question, Ben. So if you talk about the ethylene contracts, they fall in under the Luna pool. So all the ships that are in the Luna pool performing for the Luna pool that goes to that entity, which we commercially manage. So the ethylene contracts, particularly with Marubeni, remains there for a number of years, which is great, and that will continue.

So in terms of the LPG questions you asked regarding Cborg, so they I think it's covered on Page 10 in the document. So they run into 2022 and 2023. So it's still too early to discuss renewal extensions and so forth. They are trading in the North Sea program for them for the time being, and they've been there since delivery. In terms of ethane, there is renewed interest, strong renewed interest in ethane projects, ethane contracts, particularly on the spot market, this is not because of the opening of a third ethane terminal in The U.

S. So the Braskem one in particular is running on a spot basis between U. S. And Mexico. So that is that trade.

So it's a dynamic situation. There's no time charters we have had that has gone off that of worth of note, sorry. We maintain our position about 50% coverage on time charters, which is good reserving the remaining for uptick in the market towards the end of the year that we have been talking about. So we are ready to take action on that. I don't know whether that answers your question.

Speaker 7

No, it does. And well, it sort of leads into the second one being utilization, all sorts of things have sort of cropped up from weather and all this kind of thing that have had impacts on utilization. Is there any thinking that you guys might have about maybe seeing about putting a greater percentage of the fleet on time charter contracts just to ensure that your utilization can stay wherever 90% or higher than it has been?

Speaker 4

We evaluate every time charter opportunity that comes across the desk. And also when we are talking to clients, trying to figure out what is the best contract type for them, whether that is a contract of affreightment. Now we have a much larger platform to service clients on, particularly on the LPG side. So is it a time charter? Is it a contract of affreightment?

Is it a spot? Is it spot? Is it contracts that are in direct continuation? So all those items are evaluated and assessed in order to sort of position the fleet in the right way for the uptick. So it's a good question.

It's something we think about every day about what should what is the optimal coverage for Navigator? And for sure, is there a trade off rate versus coverage, which has some implication of utilization. It's something we think about a lot.

Speaker 7

Okay. And then lastly for me, I'll turn it over. You talked about the fleet and how 20% of the fleet is over 20 years old and only relative to 5% of the fleet being on order. You guys do have some of those 20 year old vessels. Noticed the Magellan is 23 and then some of the legacy ethylene vessels are 21 years old.

How do you think about the useful life of those? Or at what point do you have to start to think these are candidates for sale or recycling or something no longer part of the fleet?

Speaker 2

Thanks, Ben. Yes, we do have some of the vessels that we have are in that twenty year plus bracket. We continually reassess them and make sure that they are worth more to us than they might be to someone else or worth more to us than it might be if we decided to recycle them. As you can see from our earnings over the past couple of years, those vessels are well utilized and they're earning a return for the company. Nile can give you a chapter and verse on our depreciation strategy as it is today.

But we depreciate the vessel for a useful life of thirty years and as we've done for many years.

Speaker 7

So if my is it fair to extrapolate then that if you're depreciating them over thirty years, then '23 is still there's still some you would anticipate or it's fair to anticipate there's some useful life still then from your perspective?

Speaker 3

Ben, it's Niall. That is something that we were reviewing that we are reviewing at the moment. Certainly, thirty years when these ships came into service, and particularly with the exception of Magellan that you mentioned, the other ships are the five original planets, the ethylene ships. They are still carrying ethylene all of them are carrying ethylene or have been throughout this year and therefore are part of that strategy of servicing the Enterprise Navigator terminal. So that will continue.

Obviously, the world has moved on in terms of ecology and whether ships will be able to survive thirty years. Technically, they will, but whether they will be acceptable to oil majors and the like is something that we are looking at. And maybe twenty five years may be the current norm.

Speaker 0

Thank you. We have no further questions at this time. I would now like to hand back to management for closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Well, thank you. Today was a good call. I look forward to another one in three months' time when we may have an update further on the development of the both the ethylene and particularly the ethane segment of our business. So thank you for joining us this morning and look forward to talking to you again. Thank you.

Speaker 0

That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.