Nexstar Media Group - Earnings Call - Q1 2020
May 6, 2020
Transcript
Operator (participant)
Good day, everyone. Welcome to today's Nexstar Media Group first quarter 2020 results call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn things over to Mr. Joe Jaffoni, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
Joseph Jaffoni (Head of Investor Relations)
Thank you, Kellyanne, and good morning, everyone. And thank you for joining Nexstar Media Group's 2020 first conference call. I'll read some safe harbor language, after which we'll get to management's commentary and your questions and answers. All statements and comments made by management during today's conference call, other than statements of historical fact, may be deemed forward-looking statements for the purposes of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Nexstar cautions that these forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those reflected by the forward-looking statements made during the call. For additional details on these risks and uncertainties, please see Nexstar's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31st, 2019, and Nexstar's subsequent public filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Nexstar undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. With that, it's now my pleasure to turn the conference call over to your host, Nexstar Founder, Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, Perry Sook. Perry, please go ahead.
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
Thank you very much, Joseph, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us to review Nexstar's record first quarter results. Before we get started, I want to express our appreciation here at Nexstar to all the brave frontline healthcare and other essential workers who are serving our country through this pandemic. We are also grateful to all of the employees of the Nexstar Nation for their frontline essential work, commitment, and efforts in providing viewers with the continuous access to local news and other services in our communities during these unprecedented times. As always, our Chief Financial Officer, Tom Carter, is here with me on the call this morning.
As the world continues to address the health and economic challenges created by the COVID-19 pandemic, and as our country responds to changes in our day-to-day lives, our priority, as it has always been, is the health and safety of our employees, the well-being of our customers, and the communities in which we operate. We take our role in delivering local news and other critical information to viewers very seriously as we continue to navigate through the unique and evolving challenges related to this coronavirus. Local news and information has never been more essential to Americans. More people are tuning into stations' local newscasts than ever before, and since the COVID-19 outbreak, we are seeing significant year-over-year increases in our already strong local news viewerships, both on air and online.
As the nation's largest broadcast group and the top producer of local news programming, Nexstar and our talented and dedicated teams of over 5,400 local journalists are delivering essential, life-saving news and information to our viewers across all traditional and digital media platforms. In this regard, 69 stations and 55 markets have aired over a dozen separate town hall meetings with state and local politicians and health officials as of this date to address state and regional responses to the COVID-19 virus, as well as the actions across states that they are taking to reopen their economies. Our interactive town hall broadcasts and livestreams have enabled local residents to get guidance from their state's top health and government officials about what they are doing to safely reopen their regions.
We continue to create special programming events to keep our communities and regions where we operate informed by the best local sources. With Nexstar's market-leading stations, deep local and national reach, and local broadcast record of being the most influential and effective medium for both brands and politicians, we expect to see advertisers allocating increased spending to our broadcast and digital platforms as this threat resolves. Looking at the few months since our last call, our preparations and our disaster plan for emergency situations had already been established, and we moved personnel quickly to remote work and work-from-home situations to allow our operations to proceed uninterrupted. As I mentioned a moment ago, our service, especially in times of emergencies, is essential, and we have been able to keep our teams safe and our stations on the air.
The live local content we're delivering is not provided by Google, YouTube, Facebook, or other platforms. And with our disaster plan in place, our strong balance sheet, and our commitment to our markets and our employees, Nexstar has kept our employee roster intact, though we have made significant reductions in other Q2 operating costs, which we will review in just a moment. While the pandemic has undoubtedly impacted near-term ad sales, our results in the early part of 2020 were quite impressive, with significant growth in several key metrics. And we've developed a range of proactive sales strategies and training webinars for our teams that have enabled them to keep clients during and after the pandemic up and running, as well as to preserve and build their businesses and brands as the country reopens.
We also remain highly focused on the 2020 political opportunity, with 17 primary elections scheduled from now through July, as well as the November presidential federal and statewide elections. Despite the challenges presented by the onset in March of COVID-19, Nexstar delivered record first quarter operating results, with net revenue, profitablity, and cash flow metrics all exceeding consensus expectations. Our strong first quarter financial results reflect solid core and digital advertising revenue growth in January and February, record Q1 political spending, 75% year-over-year growth in distribution revenue, as well as a meaningful cash distribution from our 31.7% ownership in the TV Food Network. Nexstar's double-digit top-line increases, combined with expense management disciplines and the strong operating leverage in our business model, drove BCF, adjusted EBITDA, and free cash flow growth before transaction expenses of 107%, 207.6%, and 242%, respectively.
During the first quarter, we brought about 39% of every net revenue dollar to the free cash flow line. Our first quarter results indicate that Nexstar was ahead of pace to meet our 2021 pro forma operating annual average free cash flow guidance of $1.175 billion. Despite this promising start, beginning in March, mid-March, the broadcast industry experienced rapid changes in market conditions, which impacted advertising revenue in the last three weeks of the month and into second quarter. The duration of the COVID-19 impact on core ad sales is uncertain as conditions continue to evolve on a daily basis, and as a result, and despite the revenue visibility afforded by our distribution agreements, our distribution from TV Food Network, and other sources, we believe it is prudent for the time being to withdraw our free cash flow guidance for the 2021 cycle.
Having said that, it's important to note that more than 50% of our annual revenue is expected to be derived this year from contractual distribution fee and political advertising revenue, which is not expected to be materially impacted by the coronavirus. Specifically, Nexstar has solid visibility in terms of our contractual distribution economics through 2022, as we completed new multi-year retransmission consent agreements representing approximately 70% of our subscribers at year-end 2019, as well as new long-term affiliation contracts with CBS, Fox, and NBC. At the same time, Nexstar has a strong balance sheet, including $434 million in cash as of March 31st, with access to an additional $140 million under our revolving credit facility, and in addition, in late 2019, we completed the offering of a $665 million senior note offering due 2027 at 5.625%. That enabled us to retire the most expensive pieces of our unsecured debt.
Now our nearest term long-term bond maturities are in 2024. Following the outbreak, Nexstar took immediate actions to preserve liquidity to further strengthen the company for our long-term success as we return to normalized operations. In this regard, during Q1, Nexstar allocated $470 million toward debt reduction, lowering our first-lien net leverage ratio from 3.52% at year-end 2019 to 3.04x at March 31 of 2020, which is well below our first-lien covenant of 4.25%, which is only that is our only covenant. Additionally, the company's cost of capital has declined as the result of the more than 115 basis point reduction in LIBOR rates, which at current levels implies something on the order of approximately $60 million in annual cash interest expense savings.
On the operating front, we've implemented a range of cost-cutting initiatives, which will result in operating expense savings of approximately $40 million in the second quarter of 2020. While we are proceeding with our investment related to the much-anticipated September 1st 2020 launch of WGN America's primetime national newscast, NewsNation, we have prioritized other capital expenditures to maintain maximum financial flexibility. The cuts that we've made in expenses were done in a surgical, not shotgun manner, and we were thoughtful in preserving potential revenue growers like NewsNation and other initiatives underway to build the top line. Similarly, we have proceeded with select key operating and growth initiatives in terms of hiring or promoting general managers and key department managers to strengthen the leadership team at our local operations.
And we've expanded local news programming and resources as local news is a key source of local ad and political revenue. As a result, Nexstar's business is well-positioned to withstand the near-term decline in core advertising, which, given our revenue diversification initiatives of the last decade, today represents about 39% of our total annual revenue in an election year. As such, we project that Nexstar will be free cash flow positive in every quarter of 2020. We are also confident in our liquidity position and availability to service debt through 2020, and we do not anticipate any liquidity or covenant issues as we move through the balance of the year. Looking quickly at first quarter results, net revenue rose 74.2% to $1.1 billion, marking our first-ever quarter exceeding a billion dollars in revenue.
Total television advertising revenue increased 86.7% to $472.7 million, including record first quarter political revenue of $55.3 million and a 65.7% rise in core advertising revenue, despite the inventory allocation to political and the falloff in March. Notably, with active spending by presidential candidates and our expanded scale in key primary states, 2020 first quarter political revenue outpaced our internal forecast and rose by 70% on a same station pro forma basis versus the 2016 period, the last comparable presidential election cycle. Including political, first quarter net revenue would have increased approximately 66% over the prior year period. That's excluding political. The inclusion of WGN America and the 2019 distribution agreement renewals were evident in our retrans line and resulted in a 75.1% rise in distribution revenue to a quarterly record of $549.7 million, and we grew digital revenue 6.8% to $56.4 million.
In Q1 of 2020, 10 of our top 25 ad categories were up on the same station basis. Nexstar's local sales initiatives continue to generate healthy levels of new business revenue, with Q1 new-to-television ad spending rising both on a quarterly sequential and year-over-year basis. In total, our sales teams generated $18.6 million of new-to-television Q1 revenue, marking an 11% rise over the prior year. We see upside in the new-to-television ad revenue metric throughout the remainder of this year as the former Tribune stations more fully adopt the Nexstar sales disciplines and transition their sales teams to the Nexstar incentive plans. With respect to political, our fastest-growing ad category, we exceeded our budgets and we benefited from the presidential candidate spending, as well as continued healthy levels of PAC issue and proposition spending across the group.
Total combined first quarter digital and distribution fee revenue of $606.2 million rose approximately 65.3% over the prior year period. The year-over-year increase in first quarter non-television revenue reflects new distribution agreements reached at the second half of 2019 and our realization of Tribune Media revenue synergies related to our after-acquired clauses in our retransmission consent contracts, as well as the inclusion of WGN America and our realigned digital operations. With respect to our expectations for net retrans growth in the low to mid-teen percentage in 2020, in the second half of 2019, we entered into new long-term network affiliation agreements with CBS, Fox, and NBC. As a result, over 80% of our Big Four affiliations are contracted through December 31, 2021, and over 70% are contracted through December 31 of 2022.
With our successful 2019 renewals of retransmission consent agreements representing approximately 70% of our subscriber base, with about 20% of our base to be renewed this year, our significant net retrans growth in 2020 will complement our strong political growth that we're already seeing. Taken together, the affiliation renewals, which also include the OTT agreements and new retrans contracts, provide us with clear visibility on net retransmission revenue growth in 2020 and beyond. With our focus on generating free cash flow, we remain disciplined in managing costs while paying dividends, repurchasing shares, and pursuing other opportunities to enhance shareholder returns. In this regard, during the first quarter, we allocated $25.7 million towards cash dividend payments and another $72.6 million to opportunistically repurchase 950,000 shares of Nexstar's Class A Common Stock in Q1, reducing our basic share count by approximately 2% to 45.2 million outstanding Class A Common Shares.
Immediately upon seeing the extent of the COVID-19 outbreak in March, stock repurchases were halted in order to preserve cash as we continue to prioritize debt reduction. With our year-to-date progress on debt reduction, mid-teens pro forma net retrans growth, and the biggest presidential election in the company's history before us, the reduction in the LIBOR rates, and our participation in the TV Food Network distributions, Nexstar now expects our total net leverage ratio to decline to approximately 4x by year-end, slightly higher than our previous estimates. On the return of capital front, last week we declared our second quarterly cash dividend for 2020 at the new $0.56 level, or 24% ahead of last year's levels.
In summary, while the coronavirus has presented challenges for the entire broadcast industry, Nexstar's leading local broadcast platform is well-positioned to withstand the challenging environment due to the continued growth of distribution revenue, our Food Network distributions, our focus on local ad sales, and the wide use of the combined Nexstar Tribune Digital Media platforms in what are projected to be record levels of political spending in 2020. In terms of capital allocation, we believe that our free cash flow combined with the active management of our cost structure, our CapEx timing, and our balance sheet strength will provide us with the financial flexibility to continue supporting our shareholder value creation initiatives. Looking ahead, we remain highly confident in our long-term strategies in terms of serving the communities where we have operations, building the top line, maintaining close control of fixed and variable costs, and optimizing our balance sheet.
Over time, our disciplines in these areas have strengthened the resiliency of our business and created an unrivaled local marketing platform while supporting growing returns for and to our shareholders. With all of that said, let me now turn the call over to Tom Carter for our financial review and update. Tom?
Tom Carter (CFO)
Thanks, Perry. And good morning, everyone. As outlined in this morning's press release, the actual results for the three months ending March 30, 2020 reflect the company's legacy Nexstar operations and a full quarter results from Tribune Media stations which we acquired on September 19 of 2019. Both of these amounts obviously also are net of divestitures which have taken place back in September, as well as another round in early March of 2020. first quarter 2020 revenue from WGN America, also acquired in the Tribune transaction, is included in core advertising revenue and distribution fee revenue.
A full quarter contribution from Nexstar's 31.3% ownership in the TV Food Network and other investments acquired in the Tribune transaction is included in the full income statement under income or loss from equity investments net, and in the cash flow statement under distributions from equity investments. The comparable three-month period ending 3/31/2019 reflects legacy Nexstar operations only. All actual results reflect the impact of $7.4 million and $5.4 million of one-time transaction expenses incurred in the quarters ending 3/31/20 and 3/31/2019, respectively. With that, I'll start with a review of Nexstar's Q1 income statement and balance sheet data, after which I'll provide an update on our capital structure and some points of guidance. On a combined company basis and pro forma for the divested stations, first quarter same station net revenue was up 14.2%.
Same station core advertising was down 5%, reflecting solid growth in spending in January and February, and a decline in March, particularly in the last three weeks of that month, which was due to the COVID-19 pandemic. Consolidated digital revenues were down 13.7%, with local station and website revenues up 6.5%, as we continue to cycle through prior year's revenue comps that include discontinued lines of business. Pro forma same station political revenue was up 70% over the 2016 same period, the last comparable presidential election cycle again on a same station basis. Excluding political, total net revenue was up 9% on a pro forma same station basis. Distribution fee revenue was up 28.2% over Q1 of 2019. Additionally, it was up 23% over Q4 of 2019, showing the effects of the renewal of retrans agreements at year-end.
first quarter station direct operating expenses net of trade were approximately $442 million, up from $289 million the prior year, primarily reflecting a full quarter of incremental expenses associated with the Tribune acquisitions and the growth in budgeted increases in network affiliation expenses as a partial offset to our rising distribution revenue. Same station pro forma fixed expenses, excluding program expenses, were down 9% year-over-year, as we realized the synergies from the Tribune acquisition. first quarter station SG&A was approximately $165 million relating to the full quarter Tribune operations, while corporate expenses was $53 million, inclusive of $10.7 million of stock-based comp and $7.4 million of one-time transaction expenses. When excluding non-cash comp and one-time transaction expenses, recurring corporate expenses were approximately $35 million, which came in better than guidance we provided in the fourth quarter call of approximately $40 million.
By the end of April, the vast majority of the initial operating synergies of the Tribune transaction have been realized. first quarter operating cash taxes were only $2.1 million, as the Q1 estimated payment is now due in April. Ongoing CapEx and transaction CapEx totaled $43 million. Spectrum Repack CapEx totaled approximately $17 million, which was partially offset by approximately $13 million of reimbursements during the quarter. As a reminder, we anticipate being fully reimbursed for all Spectrum Repack CapEx. first quarter total interest expense amounted to $101 million, up from $53 million in the same period in 2019, while cash interest expense was $97 million compared to $51 million the last year, with the increases due to the incurred debt to fund Tribune.
first quarter broadcast cash flow of $430 million, as well as adjusted EBITDA of $565 million and free cash flow of $434 million, all pre-transaction expenses, exceeded consensus expectations and primarily reflect related growth, realization of synergies, and distribution agreement renewals executed in the second half of 2019. Adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow reflect approximately $170 million in distributions from equity investments related to our 31% ownership in the TV Food Network. As a reminder, we received cash distributions from TV Food on a quarterly basis, with a large payment recorded during the first quarter of each year. For the second quarter of 2020, we anticipate recording approximately $25 million in TV Food Network distributions.
Looking ahead to offset the anticipated impact of COVID-19 on our commercial advertising revenue, late in the first quarter, Nexstar implemented a range of cost-cutting initiatives, which will result in operating and corporate expense savings of approximately $40 million in the second quarter of 2020. For the second quarter, we project recurring cash corporate overhead, exclusive of stock comp and transaction expenses, to be approximately $21.5 million, and will easily meet our run rate corporate overhead guidance of approximately $120 million for the year. Non-cash comp is projected to be approximately $12.5 million for the quarter and $48 million for the year. Transaction expenses will be approximately $5 million for the second quarter and will decline during the remainder of the year.
Second quarter operating cash taxes are estimated to be between $45 and $50 million, and operating cash taxes for the year will come in well below the $350 million previously estimated. Second quarter CapEx should come in at approximately $47 million, and as Perry mentioned, we're still budgeting approximately $160 million for the year and proceeding with our investment related to the summer 2020 launch of WGN America's primetime national newscast, NewsNation. Additionally, we have prioritized capital expenditures to maintain maximum financial flexibility in the current environment, meaning the timing of certain CapEx can be delayed for a number of quarters. Finally, we expect Nexstar's cash interest expense to approximately $82 million for the second quarter and approximately $370 million for the full year, substantially less than the previous guidance of $400 million, reflecting interest expense savings related to the decline in LIBOR rates.
Turning to the balance sheet, Nexstar's outstanding debt at 3/31/2020 was approximately $8.05 billion and consisted of $5.4 billion in first lien term loans and two series of 5 and 5/8 senior sub-debt, one with a 2024 maturity of approximately $900 million and one with a 2027 maturity of approximately $1.8 billion. As Perry mentioned before, we had a healthy cash balance of $434 million at quarter end. Net debt amounted to approximately $7.6 billion compared to $8.3 billion at 12/31/19. With the onset of the coronavirus in March, in the first quarter, Nexstar took immediate actions to adapt our business to operate in the current environment and preserve liquidity in order to best position the company for long-term success as we return to normalized operations.
In this regard, Nexstar allocated $457 million in funds from operations and investments towards debt reduction, lowering our net first lien covenant ratio from 3.52 at year-end 2019 to 3.04 at 3/31/2020, which is well below our first lien covenant of four and a quarter times. As a reminder, our first lien covenant limits cash netting to a maximum of $200 million. Our total net leverage at quarter end was 4.51 compared to 5.18 at year-end 2019. As a reminder, Nexstar's only covenant is our first lien debt covenant, which is the aforementioned four and a quarter times. In addition to our leverage reduction activity, during the first quarter, we allocated $25.7 million towards cash dividend payments and another $72.6 million to opportunistically repurchase just short of a million shares of Nexstar Class A Common Stock, reducing our basic share count to 45.2 million shares outstanding at quarter end.
Immediately upon seeing the extent of the COVID-19 outbreak in March, stock purchases were suspended in order to prioritize cash retention. Despite anticipated challenges in the coming months, Nexstar has a strong balance sheet, including the aforementioned $434 million in cash at 3/31, with access to an additional $140 million under our revolving credit facility. In addition, our nearest term bond maturities are in 2024, and in the fourth quarter of 2019, we completed the offering of $665 million of 5 and 5/8 senior notes due 2027, which enabled us to retire the most expensive pieces of our unsecured debt as well as the nearest term maturities prior to the 2024 maturity.
Looking ahead with continued double-digit year-over-year growth in distribution revenue and what many expect to be substantial spending levels related to the upcoming presidential elections, which we do not expect to be materially impacted by the coronavirus, we have excellent visibility on over 50% of our annual revenue in 2020. As such, we expect to be free cash flow positive in every quarter of 2020. Nexstar has already made significant progress in our leverage reduction plan, and we enjoy a strong cash position with additional capacity under our revolver. In addition, the reduction in interest expense related to our favorable LIBOR rates, the approximately $40 million in expected second quarter operating expense savings, and our capital expenditure prioritization will serve us well in the coming quarters.
As a result, we're confident in our liquidity position and our ability to service our debt through these challenging times and do not anticipate liquidity or covenant issues as we move through the year. In addition to continuing our dividend payments, we remain committed to allocating the vast majority of our free cash flow towards leverage reduction and are confident in reaching our slightly revised target for reducing total net leverage to the 4x range by 12/31/2020. In summary, despite the unprecedented challenges with the onset of the coronavirus, our integration, synergy realization, and operation plans are generating results. Our capital structure is in great shape from a cost of capital, maturity, and ability to address leverage. In addition, our service to our local communities and the local and national advertisers has never been stronger.
Our disciplines in these areas have driven significant growth as well as consistency and visibility of results. While we have withdrawn our 2020-2021 pro forma annual free cash flow guidance of $1.175 billion at this time, we remain confident in our ability to deliver on the long-term value of Tribune transaction on the other side of the pandemic. That concludes the financial review for the call, and now I'll turn it back over to Perry for some closing remarks before Q&A.
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
Thank you very much, Tom. In our more than 23 years of business and over 16 years as a public company, Nexstar's management team, board, and employees have weathered the storm of the dot-com bust, 9/11, the 2008 financial crisis, and the recession that followed. Throughout each of these times, we've worked to support and sustain our employees, our local businesses, and the communities in which we operate.
Nexstar has always been. This has always been our approach to business, and it's more important today than ever before. In each case, we came out on the other side stronger and better equipped to deliver outsized returns to our shareholders, and our long-term record of value creation would support this. As we address a pandemic that will no doubt become a chapter in the history books, our commitment to all of our constituents remains unwavering. While we've endured the challenges beset upon us by the COVID-19 outbreak, I hope our comments today reinforce the fact that we remain confident in the strength and resilience of Nexstar's scaled and diversified business model. Our business is less impacted than it was some 11 or 12 years ago during the recession because we took the steps necessary to create significant new contributing revenue sources.
Our focus over the last decade in expanding our scale is serving us now as a leading platform for political candidates as well as national, regional, and local advertisers looking to reach nearly every demographic in the United States. Our leverage is very manageable and coming down. Our liquidity is great, and we intend to remain free cash flow positive while continuing to pay our quarterly dividend. This focus, combined with our time-proven operating and integration strategies, will enable us to overcome the near-term challenges and extend our long-term record of shareholder value creation. We look forward to reporting on our continued growth and accomplishments throughout 2020. On behalf of the entire Nexstar Nation, our board and management team, thank you for your continued interest in the company, your support, and for joining us today.
Now let's open the call to Q&A to address your specific areas of interest. Operator?
Operator (participant)
Thank you, gentlemen. At this time, if you do have a question, that will be Star 1. Once again, Star 1 for questions. We'll hear first today from Dan Kurnos with Benchmark Company.
Dan Kurnos (Equity Research Analyst)
Great.
Thanks. Good morning. You guys crushed our street-high retrans carriage estimate here. I'm just trying to get a sense of if there was anything. I know, Tom, I think you'd mentioned some kind of push-out from AT&T that bled into 2020 or if there was some noise there. And then, Perry, in your prepared remarks, you talked about kind of confidence in that net retrans number. I don't know if you mentioned expectations near-term around sub-declines. Obviously, it feels like you guys believe they'll come back.
But just any thought on if that upside just outweighs any potential near-term choppiness or just kind of your views there?
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
Well, sure. Listen, as far as sub-declines go, in our internal models, Dana Zimmer and her expert team produce a model that projects sub-attrition, which is how we develop the guidance that we give to all of you. I can just tell you that all reported sub-declines this year have been less than the assumptions we have in our model. So it's not like sub-declines are sneaking up on anybody here. But I will say that there are obviously two schools of thought. One is that in an economic time, people look to cut expenses. There are other folks that think that since cable and the bundle is kind of the cheapest entertainment, that that is one of the last things to go. And I think time will tell.
But I would say in previous recessions, what we have seen is there has been some sub-churn because people are unable to pay their bills. That, however, has not yet been factored in because the MVPDs have made a commitment to no disconnects due to non-payment, at least for the next few months. But our long-term view would be that the bundle, providing internet and video as well as convenient navigation, is. Movies may suffer, but people will stay home and watch television. Our viewership would certainly sustain that. And I saw a report yesterday where people were prioritizing cable over utilities because of other disconnect, no disconnects for non-payments that have been made. So I think as far as looking forward, we think that what we have projected in our models are consistent with what we think will happen, and we don't expect any significant variance to that.
There was no real AT&T effect that pushed over from fourth quarter to first quarter. That will manifest itself in the third quarter of this year where we'll be up against zero history for a period of time. But no, the numbers are real. The numbers are solid, and we expect the numbers to continue throughout the year.
Tom Carter (CFO)
I would say, Dan, if there was any. We beat our budget in the first quarter by 1% or so. So that's $5 million on a, call it a round $550 million distribution fee. Some of that was just truing up subscriber numbers with Tribune, etc. So there may be a little bit of overperformance there, but not a lot. But you will see a slight. We obviously, as Perry mentioned, attribute attrition every quarter.
So you'll see some attrition between Q1 and Q2, especially in light of the fact that the repricings at the end of Q1 were pretty nominal. But we're very confident in our numbers and continue to see a strong growth in retrans through the year.
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
We did have a significant repricing happen in Q2 with a not insignificant MVPD, and we're very pleased with those results. So the beat goes on, Dan.
Dan Kurnos (Equity Research Analyst)
Super helpful. And then, Perry, I'm sure there's nothing you'd prefer to talk more about than core, but just if you could give us just your sense on pacings or maybe conversations you're having with advertisers to inform your kind of optimistic we come out of this stronger in budgets shift to TV once we get out of this.
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
Sure.
Sitting here in Dallas, we probably have a little different perspective than folks that sit in the Northeast on what's going on because businesses here in Texas are opening. Even my barber is going to open on Friday, and I hope to be one of the first in line after two months. We don't have to go to Georgia for a haircut anymore. That's exactly right. But I mean, Q2 will be the worst of it in our view. We have two models running internally. One is a base case of what we expect to happen, and one is a worst case, which is significantly worse than that. And under all of those scenarios, we remain profitable in every quarter. And as I say, this COVID-led recession can put a big dent in the door, but it's not going to come anywhere close to totaling the vehicle.
We will manage through it. Our pacing for third quarter core revenue was significantly better than Q2. But again, that's a small sample size. But we've also had a number of folks that have canceled advertising out of Q2 and pushed it into Q3, and in some cases with increased budgets. Now, these are all anecdotes, but we're braced for a pretty sobering Q2. And in line with, I think, kind of chatter you've heard from other operators and projections of what people have made on core, we think Q3 will be better than that, but we're also prepared if it's not.
Tom Carter (CFO)
And also, I would say, as we progress through Q2, we see better pacings towards the end of the quarter than we saw in April. And obviously, some of this has to do with just the general reopening of some markets.
And given the breadth of Nexstar's footprint, we participate in a lot of those: Texas in a meaningful way, Ohio in a meaningful way, Florida as well. So I think we'll enter. I'm sorry, we'll exit Q2 in a better pacing position than we entered Q2.
Dan Kurnos (Equity Research Analyst)
Got it. That is really super helpful color, guys. Thanks very much.
Operator (participant)
We'll move next to John Janedis with Wolfe Research.
John Janedis (Managing Director)
Thanks. You guys talked to net leverage around four times at your end. Understanding you pulled the guidance, does that mean in the base case assumption you still feel reasonably good about your initial EBITDA expectations for the year when you factor in, I guess, your non-advertising revenue and expense initiatives?
And then maybe as a follow-up to Dan, on political, I know you said not much of a COVID impact, but to what extent did that or has it impacted timing of money getting put to work? And understanding it's going to be a good year, has your outlook or shape of the year changed at all?
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
I'll speak to the political question first. With the outperformance in Q1, primarily related to Mayor Bloomberg's participation in the presidential process, we did not expect that Q2 would necessarily be better than Q1 from political. Now, with the movement of primaries from April and May into June and July, we've seen a shift of money there. But we don't think it will have any impact on the money that will ultimately accumulate by the end of the year. Q4 is where the game is played.
50% of the political revenue will come between Labor Day and the general election. So it's September and Q4, and we do not think there'll be any change to our guidance, our projections, or our expectations for our political revenue performance in 2020.
Tom Carter (CFO)
And with regard to EBITDA budget, obviously, with the impact of this, and we expect it to impact Q2 and Q3 and potentially Q4, depending on which model and how the rollout works, it will affect our EBITDA. So EBITDA will be down for the year. But some of it is offset. We really, quite honestly, have more levers to pull between EBITDA and free cash flow than we do between revenue and EBITDA. Revenue and EBITDA, obviously, we're subject to the market's experience with regard to reducing core advertising. And we can offset that to a degree, but not to a large degree.
But if you look at the difference between EBITDA and Free Cash Flow, our cash taxes are going to be substantially less because of some, because obviously our EBITDA and operating income will be down because of reduced revenue. Our interest expense will be down by 20-plus% because of reduced interest rates, particularly LIBOR rates. And our ability to actively manage capital expenditures will be down. So all three key areas between EBITDA and Free Cash Flow can be positively affected by management. And so our Free Cash Flow expectations and the amount of variance in that is a lot less than the amount of variance in our EBITDA. I don't know if that's responsive to your question or not, John, but that's kind of the way we think about it.
John Janedis (Managing Director)
That'll do it. Thanks, Tom.
Operator (participant)
We'll move on to Kyle Evans with Stephens.
Kyle Evans (Director of Research)
Thanks.
You guys referenced double-digit net retrans growth for the year and the release. Could you maybe at a high level talk about how we should think about the year-one rate hike on that 70% that you just renewed versus escalators in years two and three?
Tom Carter (CFO)
Well, that's why I pointed out the growth between Q4 and Q1 of 23%. So our growth was 23%. 70% of those subscribers repriced. 30% may or may not, not all of the remaining 30% had an escalator at year-end. So there's an arithmetic equation in there somewhere where you can try and assign a value on the increase of the 70%. But I would say generally it would be above the 23% that we saw on the portfolio as a whole between Q4 and Q1.
Kyle Evans (Director of Research)
Got it. And Perry, you mentioned you've gotten a sizable renewal done in Q2 and you're happy with it.
I guess with Pai saying blackouts are off the table, kind of how does that shape the game theory on renewing?
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
It doesn't really. I mean, parties are continuing to negotiate in good faith, and obviously, you don't have a deal until both parties agree. So we don't think that will be any real effect. I mean, we expect it will just continue to be business as usual. And from this point forward, we don't have any significant other renewals of the approximate 20% of our subscriber base that gets repriced this year until Q4.
Kyle Evans (Director of Research)
Great. How much of that 20% is in 4Q, out of curiosity? Well, we're not going to give you the playbook here. I mean, I think they give me a lot of, I would say a large percentage of the 20%.
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
The biggest piece of it is in 2020.
But anyway, there's got to be something left to the imagination.
Kyle Evans (Director of Research)
All right. I'll go high level with my next one. Could you talk about the interplay between lower sell-through and non-political core due to cancellations and just lowering ad rates and keeping people in those spots and how you plan to balance those two?
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
Sure. I mean, we have a fixed level of inventory. So if there's less demand, rates will be lower. And obviously, we're working with advertisers to say, "I'd love to stay on the air, but I need some help." So maybe we'll add some billboards. We'll do some other things. We need. When we're at our best, we're partners with our business partners. And so we're working with them. And obviously, we have more inventory to use to promote things.
It's been a very good opportunity now to begin to promote WGN America's NewsNation because we have some inventory available to do that. But pricing is by demand. It's no more difficult than that. I will tell you that obviously with the political revenue we generated in January and February, there were some markets that were at price peaks. Obviously, a lot of that evaporated in many markets, not all, but many markets in March with primaries canceled, no March Madness, other things that got pushed out, too, or canceled or pushed out in later in the year or canceled. And so if we look at categories, this is probably fairly intuitive, but we saw declines in auto, travel and leisure, restaurants, and certain retail. Not surprisingly, the category showing the biggest year-over-year increases were attorneys, home repair, drug stores, grocery stores, and packaged goods.
And that's probably intuitive when you think of people's way of life then and their way of life now in terms of what's going on. But car dealerships are open in Pennsylvania and Ohio and Texas. And so we expect that we'll see those categories begin to rebound here. The 0%, 84-month financing. I mean, people are taking advantage of those offers. And now if you read any of the NADA Daily post, you're hearing about shortage of trucks and shortage of popular models.
Operator (participant)
Gentlemen, can you still hear us?
Kyle Evans (Director of Research)
I can hear you.
Operator (participant)
Okay. Stand by. And everyone, please stand by as we reestablish our speaker's phone line. And gentlemen, please continue.
Tom Carter (CFO)
Sorry. Kyle, sorry about that. We had some technical difficulties. Not sure where in Perry's answer we got cut off.
Kyle Evans (Director of Research)
We lost you at certain truck models are starting to come up short.
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
Okay.
That's certainly true. So I guess the end of that came shortly after that comment, just that we see the ebb and flow and the supply demand will probably even out. But there is demand and causing shortages in some models, particularly in popular truck and SUV models right now.
Kyle Evans (Director of Research)
Great. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
We'll move on to Jim Goss with Barrington Research.
Jim Goss (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Hi. A couple of items. One, just a little nit regarding the political spending. Will you benefit or be hurt if campaigns are more virtual this year?
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
I would expect on balance, if you're not holding rallies, you're not spending money to fill stadiums and auditoriums, that you're going to spend more money on television.
And we've heard that from some of the political advertising agencies that this is going to be the primary means of communication through the campaign, at least maybe till the late stages when people feel comfortable congregating. So I would think on balance, Jim, it would be a net positive. I couldn't quantify to what extent, though.
Jim Goss (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Yeah. I also wonder if any of the old laws about equal time sort of things come into play and whether one party will buy a paid political ad, at least on a national level, versus another.
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
Hard to say. I mean, equal time is usually we have to afford equal time. We certainly do. There's no obligation to buy it. And that usually comes into play in terms of candidates' time on air.
We will continue to, as we move into the political season and the focus turns there, we'll continue to do debates on a statewide basis with senators, representatives, governors, and those kinds of things. The companies become particularly adept at organizing those, particularly in markets where we have a presence virtually in the entire state, like in Illinois, like in Tennessee, Texas, Pennsylvania. So you'll see us continue to participate in that. And we hope the debate will be vigoro
us and the spending will be as well.
Jim Goss (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Okay. And then one other area. I wonder if you could provide a little more color on WGN America. Blend of local sources versus a national overlay. What are you envisioning? Is it pure news or will it have a political point of view? Target audience, target advertisers, where do you fit in?
What if you—and maybe the expansion potential if it does develop a good following?
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
Sure. Well, we start with the fact that WGN America is distributed, according to Nielsen, approximately 75 million homes. And if you look at the programming across the primetime daypart, it's either entertainment or, hopefully, once again, sports or opinion shows. There's no real hard news entity in primetime. And so that is the direction that we're going to head. We announced our launch date of September the 1st, 2020. And it will be three hours of live news. We've hired our main anchor team. We're in negotiations with our weekend anchor teams. We've hired approximately 30 people out of the 130 that we'll be hiring to launch. Construction goes on unabated in Chicago where the broadcast will originate from. And we're very excited about this.
We've had virtual upfront presentations with probably 100 national advertisers, some of which would never talk to WGN America because reruns and certain original programming was not the demographic they're trying to reach. So this will be hard news, 100% absent of bias. And we're so serious about that. We're hiring a panel of rhetoricians to review our broadcasts for unconscious bias that may creep into the words we use and the reporting that we do. And I can tell you from my barber to certain investors, people have said that the timing for this couldn't be better. The country just wants straight news, no opinion, and they'll make their own decisions. And that's what we're going to try and serve. It'll be all news using the backbone of our 5,400 journalists plus the 130, 40 people we hire that will be based in Chicago.
We have hired network-quality correspondents. There are no names that you would recognize today, but hopefully names you recognize down the road. And we're working through our promotion plan as well as finalizing all of the technical aspects of it. But it will be absent bias and local and based from Chicago. So we're calling it the center of news. And this will be from the heartland and primarily directed for the heartland, which is where WGN America's distribution is the strongest.
Jim Goss (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
All right. Thank you very much.
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
You bet.
Operator (participant)
And from Huber Research Partners, we'll hear from Craig Huber.
Craig Huber (Equity Research Analyst)
Thank you. A few questions, if I could. Your retrans subs in the core, were they down, say, 4%-5% year over year on an organic basis, including the OTT benefit?
Tom Carter (CFO)
They were down at the bottom end of that range.
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
Yep.
Craig Huber (Equity Research Analyst)
Okay. Thank you for that.
I know this was asked before, but for the month of April, can you give us a sense how much your core organic TV ad revenues were down? I mean, just so people can get a sense of what's going on out there and also what your maybe your outlook is for the full quarter, if you could.
Tom Carter (CFO)
We're not talking about, obviously, specifics with regard to the quarter, but I would say our experience is not materially different than some of our peers and with regard to the decline in core revenue that they saw or are seeing early in this quarter.
Craig Huber (Equity Research Analyst)
When you say that, does that mean down, say, 35%-40%? Is that what you're referencing?
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
We just don't give guidance down to that level of detail. We give free cash flow guidance, which we've withdrawn because of the core advertising performance.
But we're just not going to give guidance to that level of detail.
Craig Huber (Equity Research Analyst)
No, I understand. I'm sorry. But for the month of April, when you reference your peers, the number you're referencing for your peers, is that, say, down 35%-40%? Just for April, please.
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
That depends on what you read. But that's what I've heard.
Tom Carter (CFO)
That's a number that I've heard before.
Jim Goss (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Yes.
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
Yep.
Craig Huber (Equity Research Analyst)
Okay. Thank you for the clarity there. And then, Perry, I'd be curious to hear if you could quantify, obviously, households are watching the news a lot more out there and stuff. I mean, can you quantify best you can how much your news ratings have been up here over the last couple of months? And I know it's tough, but I mean, how much does that help to hold on the back end of this? I mean, thank you.
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
It depends on dayparts, but I would say early morning news is up. If we look at the average, and this average in KTLA with our ABC affiliate in Dothan, Alabama, but I would say morning news is up approximately 15%, mid-teens across the board. Some markets more than that. Where we're seeing the biggest increase is in the early evening news and the late evening news, and those numbers have been as high as 40% increases. And I think we're hopeful that some new habits are forming, that people are realizing that there is value in this product, that it does keep them connected with what's going on locally. And time will tell how much of those audiences we actually retain, but I think that it'll be a number greater than zero and something less than 100% of the levels we're performing at now.
Craig Huber (Equity Research Analyst)
Then a couple of cost questions, if I could. Can you just help us? How should we think about your use of furloughs here in the second quarter versus permanent headcount reductions?
Tom Carter (CFO)
None.
Craig Huber (Equity Research Analyst)
On either side?
Tom Carter (CFO)
On either side.
Craig Huber (Equity Research Analyst)
Okay. That's interesting. And then just my last question. The $40 million of cost savings that you referenced for the second quarter, just to be clear, that's above and beyond anything that you were already thinking you would be able to take out of the system from the Tribune acquisition. And it's also a number versus all being equal versus your first quarter cost base. Is that true?
Tom Carter (CFO)
It is. It is in addition to the expense synergies that were part of the Tribune transaction. And they are specifically related to reduction in revenue and discretionary expense above and beyond, as I mentioned before, the Tribune anticipated.
And it's really relative to our budget.
Craig Huber (Equity Research Analyst)
Okay. Thank you, guys.
Operator (participant)
We'll hear next from Aaron Watts with Deutsche Bank.
Aaron Watts (Research Analyst)
Hi, guys. Thanks for getting me on here. Perry, I'm sure that even after all this time away from the barber, the hair is still looking tighter and sharper than 99.9% of us. So I'm not worried there.
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
Well, thank you for your support.
Aaron Watts (Research Analyst)
I'm curious, maybe in some of your smaller markets, what you're hearing from the SMBs there. Encouraging to hear that you're seeing auto dealerships open. But more broadly, are you feeling that the pullback in advertising from SMBs is temporary in nature, has more of a permanent tilt this time, or maybe somewhere in between? And maybe also how important that group of advertisers is to your overall ad pie?
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
Sure. Well, it's hard to give a one-size-fits-all answer to that.
I will just tell you that, obviously, if businesses were mandated to close, there was really no percentage in advertising. What we saw was the uptick in grocery stores and drug stores and people thanking first responders and kind of pivoting their advertising that way. Businesses that opened, some that were maybe marginal, that probably weren't advertising that much anyway, might be on the brink. But I sent a note every month to all of our 140 vice presidents in the company, including all of our general managers.
And I said, and this was literally a month ago at this time, and said, "Listen, as we begin to talk about reopening, you should be visiting with every one of your advertisers, every one of your accounts, every business, and not asking for an order, but just sitting down and talking about ways to reopen strong and gain market share in your segment, in your vertical, from competitors that are not going to take that tag." And I said, "Don't ask for an order. Just come up with ideas." And we've been doing that. And we've been around the horn. Our regional vice presidents, as well as the COO and the president of the broadcast division, have divided up the top 100 advertisers in the company. And everyone's getting a phone call. And it's not so much, "How are you doing?" but, "How can we help you as things reopen?
What ideas can we bring to you? Here are some we have. What ideas do you have as a way that we can help you rebound strong and be ahead of the curve in your space and gain market share?" So I can tell you that the feedback has been, A, none of our peer group appear to be doing this, and B, they appreciate the time and the goodwill created by spending the time to focus on their business and how we could be helpful and an agent of change going forward. But again, if it's a one-location hair salon or a one-location restaurant, they may not have been spending a lot with us anyway. And there's no question that some people will throw in the towel. And there'll be fewer businesses in these markets than there were pre-beginning of the recession.
But I would say that's true in every recession. And so they make up a small piece of our—it depends on how you define SMBs. But obviously, if they're living right at the water level, then they're probably not spending money on advertising to begin with.
Aaron Watts (Research Analyst)
All right. That's helpful context. Thank you. And stay well.
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
Thank you. You too.
Operator (participant)
We'll move on to Zach Silver with B. Riley.
Zach Silver (Equity Research Analyst)
Okay. Great. Thanks for hearing the question. Glad to hear you guys are well. The first is just around capital allocation. Understand that leverage reduction is obviously a priority this year with all the economic uncertainty. But clearly, your stock is at depressed levels here. And wondering if you could give us a little bit of color on what gives you—what will give you the visibility to resume the opportunistic share of your purchases you've done in the past?
Tom Carter (CFO)
I think we need a higher visibility into core advertising revenues going forward. I don't see us doing anything from a stock repurchase perspective for the balance of Q2. And depending on the economy opening back up and its effect on our revenue, we could potentially revisit that at that point. But right now, I would say suspended is the best way to put the stock buyback. We do have about $80 million-$85 million of authorization left under the board authorization for repurchases. But I don't see us necessarily being active in that market over the next 60 days or so.
Zach Silver (Equity Research Analyst)
Got it. And then one more, if I could, just on the non-programming OpEx side. This $40 million in efficiencies in the second quarter, I mean, that's the base case that you guys are contemplating plays out. Are there opportunities to flex that beyond $40 million?
And then longer term, with more of your employees working from home, more digitization of processes, perhaps, do you think that there could be any structural tailwinds to the long-term cost structure from this?
Tom Carter (CFO)
I would say, look, we dynamically manage our business. And are there more takeouts available to us? Yes. We think at that point, it starts to hit more into the meat and less into the fatty areas of the discretionary part of our expense structure. But are there more? Yes. We just don't see, in the current environment, we don't see the need to do that. If it's, I kind of make the analogy. I think we know how, if you're fording a river, how deep the river is. We just don't know how wide it is.
And so depending on the pace of the potential recovery and the pace of our core, we can dynamically manage our business.
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
I'll just add to that. We have enacted certain cost reductions that will affect the third quarter. And that number will dynamically flex based on how the revenue flexes in third quarter. But as Tom said, we have levers to pull. And obviously, you can imagine if there's a reduction in revenue, there's a reduction in commission, there's a reduction in travel. I mean, none of this should be news to anybody. But we have left our workforce intact because we need them on the front lines and serving our communities and providing the essential services in which we do. We've not asked anybody to take furloughs or have we had any layoffs?
As I say on our monthly managers' call, I said, "Now if this goes on for a year, we're going to revisit everything." But at this point, we do not see the need to do that. And we've got to keep our businesses robust to participate in the recovery, which is, by the way, already happening. Listen, the governor raised the stay-at-home order as of the end of April. Our corporate office is open. People are here unless they have compromised immunities or childcare or senior care issues they have to deal with. And you'll see—we've got states that are wide open that never employed any shelter-in-place. Probably the last place that happens in the country will be New York City, and for good reason.
But even the rest of New York, upstate, may play by different rules and have different flexibilities than the metro New York area does. And certainly, we are dealing with it on a case-by-case basis. So I think that what we are seeing is the beginning of reopening of economies. And obviously, businesses that are open that want to grow their business will be our partners going forward. And so we will, as Tom says, actively manage the cost side of our business and our capital allocation based on the revenue. And as I said earlier in the call, we have got two different scenarios running. One is what we expect to happen over the next second, third, and fourth quarters. And then a worst-case scenario that is substantially behind that.
We are managing the business to our base case, but prepared if the worst case is there, it will not catch us by surprise, and we'll pull the other levers that we have available to us.
Zach Silver (Equity Research Analyst)
Got it. Very helpful. Thanks, Perry. Thanks, Tom.
Operator (participant)
We'll hear now from Steven Cahall with Wells Fargo.
Steven Cahall (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Thanks, Tom. Maybe first, Tom, you talked a little bit about those levers between EBITDA and free cash flow. You've done a lot on cash tax savings and cash interest savings. So if we just think about a lost dollar of advertising, is there an easy way for us to think about what that is in terms of the impact to operating cash flow or free cash flow?
Tom Carter (CFO)
No, because some of it is structural, like commissions and sales expense, etc.
And some of it is more discretionary that, again, is something that requires actively managed as opposed to just direct sales expense. So it's hard to say. I would say we're probably looking at somewhere on the order of 15%-20% direct, and the rest is kind of discretionary in terms of sales.
Steven Cahall (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Okay. And then when we just think about your leverage guidance for the year, how do we think about the EBITDA or cash generation from the Food Network stake as a component of that? I imagine you've assumed a little bit lower from that since they face some advertising challenges as well.
Tom Carter (CFO)
Yeah. But keep in mind that I gave guidance for second quarter. So if you add those two together, that will approximate 90% of the cash flow to be realized from the Food Network in 2020.
So that score has already been put on the board for the most part.
Steven Cahall (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Okay. Great. And then you talked a little bit about how political is really a game that's played from Labor Day to November. Could you maybe speak at all to what sort of expressions of interest you might already be seeing in terms of ad buying for that period? And I think there was a story last week about the Trump campaign starting to roll out a couple of waves of ads. The first time they've done that post-COVID. I don't know if on the Democratic side you've already seen a wave of expressions already to start, or if they're still sort of restrategizing based on the way things have changed. So any just commentary about the level of demand that you're already experiencing for that period? Thank you.
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
We have reservations of time for political advertisers all the way up to and through Election Day. That really kind of becomes an options market because as it heats up, people make decisions as to whether they want to stay at the current pricing grid or need to move to where the market has moved. So it's interesting but not meaningful. But I would say that the current demand is not atypical to what we would expect in a presidential election year. And again, the caveat is that half the money will come between Labor Day and Election Day. And that is as it always has been. And if anything, we obviously were substantially ahead of our internal expectations in Q1. Q2 will be a bit in flux because some primaries got moved out to Q3.
But again, we don't expect any of that will affect our political revenue assumptions for the year.
Operator (participant)
Anything further, Steven?
Steven Cahall (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Nope. I'm all set. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Okay. Thank you. And Perry, at this time, I'd like to turn things back to you for closing remarks.
Perry Sook (Founder, Chairman, President, and CEO)
Thank you very much. Thank you all for joining us today. And it was a longer call than usual. We felt it important to spend time and share as much of our thoughts as we can with you. We look forward to gathering again in early August to report on our Q2 and report on our increased visibility for the remainder of the year. Thanks again, everyone, for joining us. We'll talk again soon.