Oil States International - Earnings Call - Q3 2025

Executive Summary

• Q3 2025 delivered resilient offshore/international-driven results: revenue $165.2M, GAAP EPS $0.03, adjusted EPS $0.08, and adjusted EBITDA $20.8M, while U.S. land weakness and China gun-steel tariffs weighed on Downhole Technologies.
• Versus S&P Global consensus, OIS posted a small miss on revenue ($165.2M vs $167.7M), EPS ($0.08 adj. vs $0.09), and EBITDA ($20.8M vs $21.0M); Q/Q was flat and Y/Y down 5% on revenue as the mix shift continued toward offshore/international projects; estimates from S&P Global*.
• Management guided Q4 revenue up 8%–13% sequentially and Q4 adjusted EBITDA $21M–$22M, with FY 2025 cash from operations “$100M+,” underpinned by decade‑high backlog ($399M, book‑to‑bill 1.3x).
• Stock narrative catalysts: backlog strength with military awards, MPD technology adoption, and deleveraging/buybacks offsetting U.S. land softness and tariff headwinds; watch Q4 book‑to‑bill (>1x expected) and pass‑through of tariff costs.

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

What Went Well

• Offshore Manufactured Products delivered higher revenue ($108.6M, +2% Q/Q) and adjusted segment EBITDA ($22.3M, +6% Q/Q), with backlog up to $399M and bookings of $145M (book‑to‑bill 1.3x).
• Mix shift toward offshore/international accelerated: 75% of consolidated revenue from offshore/international in Q3 (up Q/Q and Y/Y) per CEO Cindy Taylor; Brazil production infrastructure (flex joints) and MPD systems seeing strong acceptance.
• Cash generation and capital returns: $30.7M CFO, $23.2M FCF; $6M of converts and $4.1M of stock repurchased; cash on hand $67.1M with no ABL borrowings.

Selected management quotes:

• “During the third quarter, 75% of our consolidated revenues were generated from offshore and international projects…”.
• “Backlog increased to $399 million… highest level since June 2015… bookings of $145 million… book-to-bill 1.3x”.
• “Our cash flows from operations were very strong… bringing the annual amount to $100 million plus”.

What Went Wrong

• U.S. land activity fell (frac spread down ~11% Q/Q), pressuring Completion & Production Services (CPS) revenue ($27.5M, −6% Q/Q) and Downhole Technologies ($29.0M, −1% Q/Q).
• Tariffs on imported gun steel (China) sharply increased (from ~25% two years ago to ~98%, recently eased to ~88%), driving the first negative adjusted EBITDA in Downhole Technologies since COVID.
• Consolidated revenue declined 5% Y/Y; adjusted EBITDA was down 3% Y/Y, reflecting weaker U.S. land consumables and tariff cost absorption.

Analyst concerns:

• Timing of backlog conversion and Q4/Q1 awards “shifting to the right” with crude at ~$60 affecting near‑term cadence; 2026 seen stronger.
• Tariff pass‑through timing and inventory digestion; management targets early next year for normalization and supply chain workarounds (e.g., assemblies in Batam, Indonesia).
• CPS revenue down with ongoing portfolio high‑grading; though margins rebuilt to high‑20s/low‑30s targeted for 2026.

Transcript

Operator (participant)

Thank you for standing by. My name is Jordan, and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to the Oil States third quarter 2025 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you'd like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one again. Thank you. I'd now like to turn the call over to Ellen Pennington, Vice President of Human Resources and Senior Counsel. Please go ahead.

Ellen Pennington (VP of Human Resources and Senior Counsel)

Thank you, Jordan. Good morning and welcome to Oil States third quarter 2025 earnings conference call. Our call today will be led by our President and CEO, Cindy Taylor, and Lloyd Hajdik, Oil States Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, we would like to caution listeners regarding forward-looking statements. To the extent that our remarks today contain information other than historical information, please note that we are relying on the safe harbor protections afforded by federal law. No one should assume that these forward-looking statements remain valid later in the quarter or beyond. Any such remarks should be weighed in the context of the many factors that affect our business, including those risks disclosed in our 2024 Form 10-K, along with other recent SEC filings. This call is being webcast and can be accessed at Oil State's website.

A replay of the conference call will be available two hours after the completion of this call and will continue to be available for 12 months. I'll now turn the call over to Cindy.

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

Thank you, Ellen. Good morning and thank you for joining our conference call today, where we will discuss our third quarter 2025 results and provide our thoughts on market trends in addition to discussing our company-specific strategy and outlook. In a quarter marked by lower crude oil prices, uncertainty about the oil macro and fluctuating U.S. trade policies, U.S. shale-driven activity slowed further, while offshore and international markets demonstrated resilience, benefiting from long-cycle project investments. With this backdrop, the company performed well, finishing the quarter within our guided EBITDA range, but with weaker contributions from our U.S. operations due to completion activity declines experienced during the quarter. Our consolidated results in the third quarter were driven by backlog growth achieved over recent quarters, along with solid execution of existing projects.

Oil States remains well-positioned to benefit going forward, as oil and gas operators favor capital allocation to offshore projects with higher production, slower decline curves, and lower break-even commodity prices. During the third quarter, 75% of our consolidated revenues were generated from offshore and international projects, a percentage that is up both sequentially and year-over-year. This continued shift in revenue mix reflects our multi-year strategy to grow our offshore and international project-driven content, which generally comprises longer cycle, higher margin work. Our Offshore Manufactured Products segment continued to deliver strong performance. Revenues increased 2% sequentially, while adjusted segment EBITDA rose 6% due to product and service mix. Backlog increased to $399 million, again allowing us to achieve our highest level since June 2015. Robust bookings of $145 million, which represents a 29% quarter-over-quarter increase, was boosted by strong military orders, yielding a quarterly book-to-bill ratio of 1.3x.

The strength and diversity of our backlog supports our outlook for total company incremental revenue and earnings growth as we move into 2026. U.S. land completion activity declined significantly during the period, with the average U.S. frac spread count down 11% sequentially. These U.S. activity reductions stem from weaker crude oil prices and OPEC+'s decision to rapidly unwind over 2 million bbl per day of previous production cuts. Our Completion and Production Services and Downhole Technologies segments, which represent a smaller portion of our business mix, experienced sequential quarter revenue declines of 6% and 1%, respectively, primarily due to the significant industry-wide reduction in U.S. land-based activity. Sustained margin benefits stemming from our U.S. land-based optimization efforts, which were initiated in 2024 and have continued in 2025, have led to year-over-year EBITDA growth in our Completion and Production Services segment, despite weaker industry activity levels.

During the third quarter, we grew our cash flow from operations to $31 million, an increase of 105% sequentially, and we generated $23 million of free cash flow. Our ongoing deleveraging efforts should unlock additional equity value for our stockholders as we pay off our convertible senior notes at their maturity in April of 2026. We are committed to optimizing our operations and making targeted investments in our highest-performing businesses while leveraging cutting-edge technologies to drive growth. Our industry-leading managed pressure drilling, or MPD, system exemplifies this commitment to improve operational safety and performance levels.

During the quarter, Oil States was honored with two Energy Workforce and Technology Council Safety Awards, including the President's Gold Award for Health, Safety, and Environment Incident Rate Improvement during the 2023 to 2024 period, and the FailSafe Technology Award for advancing safer MPD operations in collaboration with Seadrill, a global leader in high-spec offshore drilling rigs. Along with our safety culture, we remain focused on three core priorities: growing our offshore and international presence, managing volatility inherent in U.S. land activity, and driving meaningful cash flow generation. Lloyd will now review our operating results along with our financial position in more detail.

Lloyd Hajdik (EVP and CFO)

Thanks, Cindy. Good morning, everyone. During the third quarter, we generated revenues of $165 million and adjusted consolidated EBITDA of $21 million. Net income totaled $2 million, or $0.03 per share, which included facility exits, severance, and other charges totaling $4 million, the majority of which related to our U.S. land restructuring efforts. Our adjusted net income totaled $5 million, or $0.08 per share, after excluding these charges. Our Offshore Manufactured Products segment generated revenues of $109 million and adjusted segment EBITDA of $22 million in the third quarter. Adjusted segment EBITDA margin was 21% in the third quarter. In our Completion and Production Services segment, we generated revenues of $28 million and adjusted segment EBITDA of $8 million in the third quarter. We achieved an adjusted segment EBITDA margin of 29%. During the quarter, the segment recorded facility exit and other restructuring charges totaling $3 million.

In our Downhole Technologies segment, we generated revenues of $29 million and an adjusted segment EBITDA loss of $1 million in the quarter due to the impact of higher costs due to tariffs and lower international activity levels. Turning to cash flow, we generated $31 million of cash flow from operations in the third quarter, double the amount we generated in the second quarter. Our cash flows were used to fund $8 million of net CapEx. During the quarter, we repurchased $4 million of our common stock under our share repurchase authorization. In addition, we purchased $6 million of our convertible senior notes at a slight discount, further as a testament to our strong financial position. As of September 30th, we maintain a solid cash on hand position with no borrowings outstanding under our asset-based revolving credit facility.

Given our strong free cash flow outlook, we intend to remain opportunistic with additional purchases of our common stock and convertible senior notes, and we will continue to prioritize returns to stockholders. Now, Cindy will offer some market outlook and concluding comments.

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

Despite recent economic volatility and continued uncertainty around trade tariffs, we continue to see solid demand for our offshore and international products and services. Our backlog is at a decade-high level, and we anticipate continued strength in future bookings, with our fourth quarter book-to-bill ratio again expected to exceed 1x. Industry analysts have suggested that while U.S. land-based activity may remain subdued into 2026, offshore and international markets are expected to improve. Analysts point to a growing global emphasis on exploration and offshore development as operators seek more cost-efficient, lower-carbon resources, which Oil States in the center of this secular growth opportunity, given our business mix and global base of operations. Regarding our outlook, based on what we know today, our fourth quarter consolidated revenues should increase 8%-13% sequentially, and our fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA is expected to range from $21 million-$22 million.

Our cash flows from operations were very strong in the third quarter and are expected to improve in the fourth quarter, bringing the annual amount to $100 million+. Our business mix and capital allocation strategies are purpose-driven. We are investing in innovation that provides meaningful technology advancements to the industry, driving solid results through project execution, generating significant cash flows that strengthen our balance sheet while returning cash to our stockholders through share buybacks. The decisions we make are focused on building a stronger, more resilient company that drives meaningful results for those we serve. Our business mix positions us strategically for market opportunities that develop. We have continued the journey to shift our business mix with a focus on generating differentiated cash flow conversion rates and an industry-leading free cash flow yield.

By advancing next-generation technologies, building backlog with strong margins, executing with discipline, reducing debt, and returning cash to stockholders, we believe that we offer a compelling investment opportunity. That completes our prepared comments. Jordan, would you open up the call for questions and answers at this time, please?

Operator (participant)

Certainly. As a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, press star and one on your telephone keypad. We'll just take a quick moment to compile the Q&A roster. The first question comes from the line of Jim Rollyson from Raymond James. Your line is live.

Jim Rollyson (Analyst)

Hey, good morning, Cindy and Lloyd.

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

Hi, Jim.

Lloyd Hajdik (EVP and CFO)

Hey, Jim.

Jim Rollyson (Analyst)

Cindy, as I listen through earnings season so far this quarter, the drillers, our offshore drillers, I should say, are all talking about a kind of mid-late next year rebound and maybe near-term bottom in activity. The guys in the infrastructure side of things are talking about FIDs picking up next year and beyond. Obviously, you guys had a great bookings quarter, and I think your commentary suggests that should continue. I would love to just get color on how conversations are going, the flow of conversations, the maybe margin profile and impact of tariffs there, and the timing of how this backlog rolls off as you go forward.

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

Thank you for the question. I think it's a fantastic one. What you're hearing from offshore exposed companies is that we've had a good year, but throughout the year with lower crude prices, some of the optimizing for spending has shifted to the right a bit. That's both for contracting rigs as well as kind of new incremental projects, which hits everybody to a certain degree. That's why we kind of highlighted that we had a good base bookings quarter, but it was augmented by military. I just want to say that's kind of consistent with what you're hearing on the oil and gas side of the market. There is every thought that we're going to have an improved year in 2026, especially because some of this has slipped to the right.

As it relates to our fourth quarter, we are going to, again, I told you, I think we're going to have a book-to-bill north of one that's predicated on projects that are very close to the award stage, and that is both production infrastructure for us and kind of MPD-type systems. Those are the drivers. It's always a question of the macro versus the company-specific. Our company-specific looks good, but maybe not quite as robust as we thought coming into the year with crude prices at $60. Now, all those just shift to the right, and therefore 2026 starts looking better. I do think that what we're seeing is consistent. We just had a better bookings year possibly than others for various reasons. Maybe it's the best way I'll look at that. I'm going to pivot to what I think was your second question, which was the tariff situation.

Because so much of our projects that are value-add in the U.S. go into international plays, there is less impact on our primary segment, which is the Offshore Manufactured Products segment, where it's hit us harder. You see that in our results. This quarter was on the consumable side of the business, the Downhole Technologies, which is largely on the perforating side because we import gun steel like we believe most other companies do in the space from foreign sources, particularly China. You heard some of the issues that Cactus and others are dealing with. They commented on a 95% tariff rate and big increases that hit in June. The exact same thing happened to us, and somewhat unexpectedly, so the third quarter unequivocally hit us on the Downhole side with higher tariff costs. We, like everybody else, are trying to manage through and understand it.

There was a kind of a temporary agreement between the U.S. and China yesterday, but it really had a very small impact on the overall tariff rate. We believe that our 98% rate came down to 88% from our perspective. If you go back two or three years, that tariff rate was 25%. These are material increases in gun steel costs. It is also our belief that everybody has the same supply sources, which are generally foreign. We're all experiencing the same thing. There has also been a buildup of inventory as activity has slowed. I think the industry has to work through the pre-tariff inventory, but then it is my view if the tariffs hold, they're going to have to be passed on to customers. It's one of timing.

The best impact or information I can give you is tariffs are really not an issue for the Completion and Production Services segment. Not a great impact to us, but it certainly has hit the consumable side of the Downhole Technologies piece of the business, if that answers your question.

Jim Rollyson (Analyst)

It absolutely does. Appreciate all that color. Maybe just to follow up there, Cindy, on Downhole Technologies, if you kind of back out the tariff impact, would you have, because it was the first quarter you've had negative EBITDA on that segment since COVID, I'm assuming that was almost all. I mean, the activity was lower, sure, but your margins and CPS stayed very strong given all the things you've been working on for the past year plus. I'm assuming that tariffs were almost the entire extent of what drove that EBITDA negative. Then maybe any question or thoughts you have on the timing of how long that takes to actually blow through the inventory that sits there and then pass through? When do you get back to positive EBITDA?

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

Yes, you're absolutely correct in your assessment. I will add to that, however, that even our plug demand was very weak in the quarter, not negative EBITDA, but in other words, there was no offset for the other portion of the consumables that we had in the mix, or not sufficient offset, I'll call it. We believe we may even see improved demand. Even fourth quarter is always weak because of holidays. Everybody knows that. We think we're going to see a little bit of an improved demand on the plug side simply because of inventory drawdowns during the quarter. It's a little bit of a combination, but if I look at a negative impact, yes, I'm going to put it on tariffs. To your point, how long it takes, I'm guessing it'll be early next year.

I think the strategy for us is the same, which is leverage and grow your international content and therefore have greater overall demand and cost absorption. As you say, we've got to start passing through the tariff impact if it's not mitigated or reduced from the levels that we have now. We're like everybody else. We're looking at every supply source around the world, both domestically and internationally, to get the cost down. You've heard those comments from other people in the space, but it's not immediate. We're also evaluating, do we just start doing gun assemblies in our Batam facility in Indonesia so that we can support the international demand that we have with a lower tariff burden.

Again, give us probably six months to work through some of these things, but we're doing our best not to allow it to deter activity too much from a consolidated basis for the company.

Jim Rollyson (Analyst)

Appreciate all that color. Thank you, Cindy.

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

Thank you, Jim.

Operator (participant)

Your next question comes from the line of Steven Gengaro from Stifel. Your line is live.

Steven Gengaro (Analyst)

Thanks. Good morning, everybody.

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

Hi, Steven.

Steven Gengaro (Analyst)

How are you? I guess two things for me, Cindy. The first, you've done a lot on the U.S. land side to kind of high-grade the portfolio and control and cut costs where necessary. Can you talk about, when we think about the margin side of that business, especially CP? Do you think we're seeing the full impact of that in the margins yet? I know it gets masked by kind of underlying activity, etc., but do you think you're starting to see the full impact of that? How does that unfold over the next 12 months?

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

It's a very good comment. I'll just tell everybody, I think we'll be through a lot of this transition by the end of the year, which makes the results a little bit cleaner going forward. Once we get the finalization, I'll call it, realize we're moving equipment all over the place, going into new basins, new customers, closing facilities, incurring severance. I do pray that we get kind of most of this out of the system by the end of the year and have clean margins going forward. Once we do, we expect, depending on timing of work and everything else, caveat that goes with it, high 20s to low 30s EBITDA margins. I think that is in the context of 2024. Lloyd, correct me if I'm not wrong, being in the high teens EBITDA margins?

Lloyd Hajdik (EVP and CFO)

Mid-teens.

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

Mid-teens. What you see, yeah, the revenue is going to be a bit lower, and we'll give you very specific guidance on that as we move forward into 2026, but it will be at higher margins and greater free cash flow because the businesses, this is part, yeah, it's an EBITDA drag, but more importantly, it's a cash flow drag. We're really making step changes in that segment, focused specifically on free cash flow generation over the long term.

Steven Gengaro (Analyst)

Thanks. Just two other things. One's a follow-up to that. Again, outside of underlying activity levels, have we seen—I think this is right—but we've seen the majority of the revenue impact already, right, from businesses that have been pared down or divested as you high-grade the portfolio?

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

The majority, yes.

Steven Gengaro (Analyst)

Okay. The other quick one is, I think at the end of last year, I think you said in the, okay, I think the number was 70% of the backlog was going to convert over the next 12 months. I think that was right from last year. You've had very good order flow this year. Do you expect, is it fair to assume that your current backlog is in a similar spot from a realization perspective over the next 12 months, or is that elongated at all? How should we think about that?

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

It's a little bit elongated with the military awards that we got. Those are typically multi-year kind of deliveries that span over a period of time. The awards we expect to get in Q4 will probably leverage that back towards the longer-term kind of trends that you see on product rollout. If I look at a point in time, the point in time with the military would be down just a little bit in terms of that % rolloff in the forward 12 or 15 months. That can change, obviously, with the mix of things coming in the backlog, and what we expect in Q4 moves it back the other direction, if that makes sense.

Steven Gengaro (Analyst)

Yes. Okay. Perfect. I think that's all for me. Thank you.

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

All right. Thank you, Steven.

Lloyd Hajdik (EVP and CFO)

Thanks, Steven.

Operator (participant)

Your final question comes from the line of Joshua Jayne from Daniel Energy Partners. Your line is live.

Joshua Jayne (Analyst)

Thanks. Good morning.

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

Good morning.

Joshua Jayne (Analyst)

First question for you. I'm going to stick on the offshore theme. A number of the customers you deal with have exposure to both U.S. land and offshore, and as there's been sort of a massive wave of E&P consolidation over the last couple of years, when you talk to those customers in their capital, do you view this as a structural shift offshore versus U.S. land spending? Do you think this consumes a greater share of their budgets moving forward, or is this just sort of what happens in a weak commodity environment as offshore break-evens have continued to come down?

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

I do think it's more of a secular trend. Of course, we have a mix of customers that some do have both exposure to U.S. land and offshore. Others, like Petrobras, as an example, are much more just focused on offshore deep water. It's a mix there. There are always different reasons for the investments that are made, but we can all debate whether we're at tier one acreage or tier two acreage. It all comes down to what are the break-evens and how attractive are they at $60-$70 a barrel, right, which is kind of the environment we see going forward. You get below $60, and I think those marginal investments tend to shift just a bit. I made those comments on my call.

The flip side is there are lower AFE costs and shorter time to first production on land, so there are oftentimes reasons to drill wells on land, without question, but also, the decline curves are much higher. It's really hard to isolate on one versus the other for someone that has dual exposure. I just think that the macro trend with greater success in deep water, they are longer-lived reserves, and the time from discovery to first production has shortened, that just definitely seems to be more of a secular trend in our view. Of course, a lot of the decisions we make are based on product differentiation, history in the marketplace, technology differentiators, and we just have a lot more, quite frankly, that we deliver to the offshore and international market. It's much harder to not have commoditization on U.S. land. That's just reality.

We are trying to really focus on areas that we think bring value to the company and bring value to our shareholders.

Joshua Jayne (Analyst)

On that point, Cindy, could you expand a little bit more? You highlighted some of the safety awards, at least one of which was around MPD. Could you elaborate a bit more on some of the products that have been driving your backlog build offshore? I assume a lot of them have to do with not only safety, but making operations more efficient for the customers. We hear about efficiencies a lot in U.S. land, but maybe just speak to the things you're doing there and the specific products that have really driven this outside of the military orders, the strength in the backlog offshore.

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

We have some, honestly, just ongoing recurring backlog that comes from our key connector products in many basins. We have crane operations. There's a number of, I'll call it just base orders. What has really augmented our orders outside of the military awards that really came in Q3 has been production infrastructure, most of which is high technology. It's our leading flex joint technology. You know very well. The industry knows very well. Much of that has gone into the demand environment in Brazil. Not surprisingly, Petrobras has by far a leading position in offshore activity and investment. That is really kind of what has led. Now, we are augmenting that with new technology, including the MPD systems we brought to market early last year. It's working well, getting strong customer acceptance, and we expect that to continue to grow.

There is the hope that we'll get incremental new demand from things like the mineral recovery system that we have in place for subsea minerals recovery. We've had pilots that have been in backlog, but not much this year. As you know, we have that offshore wind kit. We're still bidding and quoting and working with companies on budgets and planning, but nothing's really come into bear at this point in time. It could be some upside outside of our standard oil and gas and military awards long term. Right now, just think ongoing recurring demand that the general industry consumes married with production infrastructure investments.

Joshua Jayne (Analyst)

Okay. Thanks. I'd like to sneak in one quick U.S. land question, if I might, just thinking about the cycle. It's been talked about a little bit on the call, but your ability to expand margins in a pretty tough market has been impressive over the last 12-18 months. Just when I think about customers living within cash flow, at some point, they don't want their production to roll, it'll be interesting to see at what level activity is necessary to maintain production. How do you view where we are, and how do you avoid cutting too much in the U.S. land business to make sure that when the business improves, you can take advantage of it, knowing that there seems to be a structural shift towards natural gas activity over the next three to five years that's going to be coming? I'll turn it back. Thanks.

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

Yeah. No, I think it's a great question. What we have done, this is not a one-year decision. It's been a multi-year look back on where have our technology held up, where have our margins held up, and importantly, what has been the free cash flow generation at 560 rigs working or 1,000 rigs working? We are being selective in saying some of the businesses are so commoditized now, they weren't really generating returns in much higher rig count environments, and they're certainly not doing it in low. The point is, is that trend going to be different if the rig count goes up 100 rigs or completion count? We concluded the answer is not for selected product lines. This is not a view of U.S. land never coming back. It is a view of what product lines we want to offer to the U.S. land market long term.

That's really what it was because you can look at our margins that there's really good margins in selected businesses. Most of those are in our extended reach technology, our Gulf of Mexico operations, and our international. They were less so around you all knew we got into flowback thinking it was a cash flow generating a return. It turned out not to be a very good business. We just don't want to be in that business, right? I think that's kind of more we're not getting out of land. We're just being very selective about the ones we pursue long term.

Joshua Jayne (Analyst)

Understood. Thank you. I'll turn it back.

Operator (participant)

We have our final question from Jim Rollyson from Raymond James. Your line is live.

Jim Rollyson (Analyst)

Sorry to come back in, but Cindy, I want to make sure I heard something right. Did you say with your guidance that you guided fourth quarter revenues and EBITDA, and that was a little bit lower maybe than what the full year original guidance was, as a lot of guidances have come down throughout the year? Did I hear you right that your cash flow from operations is supposed to be $100 million for the full year?

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

We had, in our view, a very strong Q3, and we're going to have an even stronger Q4. In these project businesses that are long term, the timing of receivables and inventory purchases ebbs and flows. We are confident when we say that it'll be $100 million+ for the year, which is a very significant number, as you know.

Jim Rollyson (Analyst)

Yeah. Just doing math on that, you've done $55 million year-to-date, so it kind of implies a $45 million+ 4Q number. Lloyd, correct me if I'm wrong, but your CapEx is supposed to be a little bit on the lower end in 4Q. It puts you on track for a very big 4Q free cash flow number and probably something north of $75 million for the year. Do I have that math right?

Lloyd Hajdik (EVP and CFO)

You do.

Jim Rollyson (Analyst)

Just want to make sure I wasn't missing something because that didn't register when you first said it till I went back and looked at the numbers, and then I had a holy cow moment. Appreciate that.

Lloyd Hajdik (EVP and CFO)

Great question.

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

It is a great question. Thank you.

Operator (participant)

There are no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back over to Cindy Taylor for closing remarks.

Cindy Taylor (President and CEO)

I appreciate it, Jordan. Thanks to all of you for your time today. We believe we are focused on the right end markets. We're getting leaner by design, and we're being more selective about our capital allocation priorities. With that backdrop, we expect to see higher EBITDA margins and enhanced cash flows as we move into 2026. All efforts that should benefit our stockholders. Thanks for dialing in today and have a great weekend.

Operator (participant)

This concludes the meeting. You may now disconnect.